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Car Forum / Driving, Maintenance, Tuning / RVs / October 2005Running the fridge on 120 v. Inverter Power ; whats the big deal ?!
Ive read a couple of posts of people denouncing this 'because it puts too much strain on the engines Alternator' ; Ive also read of folks doing this without ANY problems whatsoever, including myself . There are plenty of loads on the engine that draw some 15-20 amps of DC power such as the a/c compressor, blower motor on highest speed, and electric radiator fans (where applicable) ; just take a look at your fuse box and youll see quite a few 15 and 20 amp fuses/breakers. Most RV engines alternators are at least 120 amp rated and can certainly handle an Inverter powering a 1.7 amp @ 120 v. or 17 amps DC . For those who still insist 'it puts a big drain on the engines alternator (with engine running) '... id like you to show empirical proof for such a statement. Thank you. I can help you with that, you pedophilic moron. In line, with breakups through the paragraphs. > Ive read a couple of posts of people denouncing this 'because it puts > too much strain on the engines Alternator' ; Ive also read of folks > doing this without ANY problems whatsoever, including myself . There > are plenty of loads on the engine that draw some 15-20 amps of DC power > such as the a/c compressor, blower motor on highest speed, and electric > radiator fans (where applicable) ; The air conditioning compressor that is in the engine compartment is belt driven, not electric. Yes, it has a electrically operated clutch, but the compressor itself is belt driven. The roof top or basement air is 110 volt powered, by the generator while driving and (usually) the CG power. The alternator is sized for the blower motor, the electric radiator fans and the rest of the accessories. just take a look at your fuse box > and youll see quite a few 15 and 20 amp fuses/breakers. Most RV engines > alternators are at least 120 amp rated and can certainly handle an > Inverter powering a 1.7 amp @ 120 v. or 17 amps DC . I don't exactly remember the conversion to go from 12vDC to 110vAC, but it's pretty high. Even you should know that a hermetic compressor draws 2x to 3x running amps at startup. Most inverters won't handle that kind of a load. If the alternator on the engine is rated at 120amps DC and the load requirements are more than that, the battery will start suppling that power, but it may not last long. > For those who still insist 'it puts a big drain on the engines > alternator (with engine running) '... id like you to show empirical > proof for such a statement. Thank you. Even though it's 8PM where I am, I'm beat. I am not going to spend 15-20 minutes researching somehting like that when I can be doing something that is fun. Besides, I took a break from bids and invoicing the check the NG's. Okay? >I can help you with that, you pedophilic moron. > [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] > is fun. Besides, I took a break from bids and invoicing the check the > NG's. Before you call others "pedophilic morons", consider this: An RV refrigerator does NOT have a compressor. It works on the absorption principle, see: http://www.solarmirror.com/www_jul01/fridge.html My 3 way ref. uses 17 amps when running on a 12V power source. Miguel > >I can help you with that, you pedophilic moron. > > [quoted text clipped - 47 lines] > > Miguel And the ref. probably does not cool as good as with 110. The 12 volt heater is usually a lower wattage. Therefore if you try running the 110 heater through an inverter you may well draw well over 17 amperes. >> An RV refrigerator does NOT have a compressor. It works on the absorption >> principle, see: [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > is usually a lower wattage. Therefore if you try running the 110 heater > through an inverter you may well draw well over 17 amperes. 12 X 17 = 204 watts. Th ref. uses 325 watts at 110V. 325 divided by 110 = 2.95 amps Miguel snipped > 12 X 17 = 204 watts. Th ref. uses 325 watts at 110V. 325 divided by 110 = > 2.95 amps > Miguel 325/12=27 amps. Plus the inverter has a loss which will increase the 12v draw even more. Hugh > snipped >> 12 X 17 = 204 watts. Th ref. uses 325 watts at 110V. 325 divided by 110 [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > draw even more. > Hugh Voltage times amps equals watts. Therefore, watts *divided* by voltage equals amps. Miguel > > snipped > >> 12 X 17 = 204 watts. Th ref. uses 325 watts at 110V. 325 divided by 110 [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Miguel The statement was that his refrigerator drew 17 amperes using the 12 volt heater. I said that 12 volt heaters usually are small compared to the 110. Your statement that the heater is 325 watts confirms that. So using an inverter to drive the 110 will require at least 27 amps at 12 volts. More because an inverter is not 100% efficient. But cooling will be better. >>>snipped >>> [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > But cooling will be better. I'm beginning to think he just wants to flap his lips. It should have been obvious to him I knew what I was talking about <g>. Hugh wondering who Mig is arguing with and why The reason why dave is labeled a "pedophilic moron" This from inside the webtv firewall when he was using a different webtv nic: From: Daveinlllinois @webtv.net Group: alt.discuss.clubs.public.christian.gays Subject: im looking for a friend Date: Mon, Jan 26, 2004, 6:13pm (PST+2) Organization: WebTV Subscriber im a single male no children but did lose one to God many years ago im a christian but have recently found myself fighting with homesexual demons in my mind i am around children often and worry about my feelings for them too id like someone other than my minister to discuss this situation with (As to the moron part...that's self-evident after getting to know this fundy trolling POS) > >I can help you with that, you pedophilic moron. > > [quoted text clipped - 41 lines] > > Before you call others "pedophilic morons", consider this: Coupla points here. Dave is a pedophile. He also claims to be in the HVAC/R industry. If he is actually in the HVAC/R industry, he should know this stuff. (He was talking about a hermetic system, not a standard RV ammonia system) > An RV refrigerator does NOT have a compressor. It works on the absorption > principle, see: > http://www.solarmirror.com/www_jul01/fridge.html > My 3 way ref. uses 17 amps when running on a 12V power source. > > Miguel 'Coupla points here. Dave is a pedophile. He also claims to be in the HVAC/R industry. If he is actually in the HVAC/R industry, he should know this stuff. (He was talking about a hermetic system, not a standard RV ammonia system)' Reply: Trying to backstroke out now ? I have an RV and im posting in an RV newsgroup , and the post is about using an Inverter to power an 'RV FRIDGE' s 110 v. heaters, instead of using propane on an Absorber Fridge . Go back to alt.hvac where you can flame others, stalk others, and continue to spread dissension to Homeowners and other HVAC techs that tell you where to get off regarding your typical attitude that is hurting the HVAC industry. > 'Coupla points here. Dave is a pedophile. He also claims to be in the > HVAC/R industry. If he is actually in the HVAC/R industry, he should [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > tell you where to get off regarding your typical attitude that is > hurting the HVAC industry. Get a grip Dave. I'm not a homeowner tormentor in alt.HVAC. I answer questions for anyone if I know the answer. Do a google search and show me where I've flamed people. Prove it. I also am a RV owner and have been for several years. I've been camping all my life, but we moved into an RV because of my wife's back problem. Dave, several time I (and others) have asked you to prove to us that you are in the industry. You never have. One gent (yes, he does a bit of homeowner flaming) even looked into Illinois to see if you were certified. He asked you questions and (as I recall) you couldn't answer. Put up or shut up. If you remember, you're the one that mentioned something like "homosexual demons about customers male children." I have a son and that scares me. 'Before you call others "pedophilic morons", consider this: An RV refrigerator does NOT have a compressor. It works on the absorption principle, see: http://www.solarmirror.com/www_jul01/fridge.html My 3 way ref. uses 17 amps when running on a 12V power source. Miguel' Reply: Bingo Miguel ! Ive been suggesting that HeatMan get out of the HVAC trade for some time now ; he is a discredit to the trade with his bad attitude, filthy language, and knowledge incompetence. Put up or shut up. > 'Before you call others "pedophilic morons", consider this: An RV > refrigerator does NOT have a compressor. It works on the absorption [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > HVAC trade for some time now ; he is a discredit to the trade with his > bad attitude, filthy language, and knowledge incompetence. Get a clue, Dave. I don't use filthy language and I am very competent. I do have a bad attitude towards people like you. You have never suggested that I get out of the trade, but many people have asked you to put up or shut up. Show us your credentials. As soon as that happens AND you make apologies for the pedophilic leanings, I'll look at you differently. Put up or shut up. Well I have NO problem with "filthy language" GO f.ck YOURSELF DAVE YA UNEDUCATED TROLLING ANTI-SEX FUNDY PIECE OF sh.t IF IT WASN'T FOR BAD ADVICE, YOU WOULD HAVE NEVER GIVEN ANY POAD Maybe in Wednesday, Thursday possibly, I responded to Dave in Lake Villa about some things he said. He never responded. I just want people to know about Dave. He appeared on the alt.hvac and alt.homerepair NG's and started giving out bad advice. The kind of advice that might get people hurt or even killed. One gent on the HVAC group did a little research and found out about his pedophilic tendencies. Since then we've been trying to inform people about him. > For those who still insist 'it puts a big drain on the engines > alternator (with engine running) '... id like you to show empirical > proof for such a statement. Thank you. I haven't a clue as to whether there are any problems with operating your refer with an inverter and could care less. I have a refer, as almost all RV's do, that operates on propane. I fail to understand why anyone would want to use an inverter when they work quite well on propane which is what they are designed to do. Don 'I haven't a clue as to whether there are any problems with operating your refer with an inverter and could care less. ' Reply: Then you shouldnt have answered this post if you are a could-care-less individual. 'I have a refer, as almost all RV's do, that operates on propane. I fail to understand why anyone would want to use an inverter when they work quite well on propane which is what they are designed to do. Don' Reply: 1. No chance of a fire from a (partially) open burner flame. 2. No worry about the small flame blowing out while travelling due to wind turbulence in partially open burner compartment. 3. No maintenance to the burner, orifice, or generator sections flue from continuous use of the propane. 4. Conservation of propane gas . 5. Can avoid potential propane leaks that may be present in the propane piping that runs underneath the RV to all gas appliances , by keeping the propane tank shut off . 6. Some people prefer going 'all electric' when the opportunity presents itself. > 'I haven't a clue as to whether there are any problems with operating > your refer with an inverter and could care less. ' [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Reply: 1. No chance of a fire from a (partially) open burner flame. Good point. > 2. No worry about the small flame blowing out while travelling due to > wind turbulence in partially open burner compartment. The refrigerator on my camper is an electronic ignition for the absorbtion system. > 3. No > maintenance to the burner, orifice, or generator sections flue from > continuous use of the propane. Every mechanical item needs some kind of maintenance. > 4. Conservation of propane gas . Good point, but propane is cheap. > 5. Can > avoid potential propane leaks that may be present in the propane piping > that runs underneath the RV to all gas appliances , by keeping the > propane tank shut off . If your piping leaks, what happens when you turn it on at a CG? At least when you're driving, the gas will dissapate. > 6. Some people prefer going 'all electric' when > the opportunity presents itself. Can argue there. |
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