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Will Sill - 19 Oct 2005 19:43 GMT
We've reluctantly decided to consider selling our class B MH.   This
is a home-built rig, based on what was then a new '99 GMC Savana
extended 3500 ("1-ton") van, sporting a pop-up top from Sortsmobile.
It now has 85k miles, runs perfectly and averages about 15 mpg.
Located at Tunkhannock PA and offered at $20k firm.

I don't do web pages, but for all the honest details including some
pix, write me at will@epix.net with a vali email address.

Will Sill
"Those people who will not be governed by God will be ruled by
tyrants." Wm. Penn
ninebal310@aol.com - 20 Oct 2005 10:49 GMT
> We've reluctantly decided to consider selling our class B MH.   This
> is a home-built rig, based on what was then a new '99 GMC Savana
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> "Those people who will not be governed by God will be ruled by
> tyrants." Wm. Penn

I am confused. Have you "decided" to sell it, or are you "considering"
selling it?

Anyway, seems like a high price for a 99 Homemade camper. Was all the
work done by professionals or did you do the work?

Hank <~~~~easily confused
Will Sill - 20 Oct 2005 12:49 GMT
I see where ninebal310@aol.com contributed:

>I am confused. Have you "decided" to sell it, or are you "considering"
>selling it?
>
>Anyway, seems like a high price for a 99 Homemade camper. Was all the
>work done by professionals or did you do the work?

We're considering it.  If all we get is anklebiters who think it is
too expensive, we'll keep it.  As to your other question, you could
find out by requesting the offered information - if you cared enough
to bother.

Will Sill
The Curmudgeon of Sill Hill
Joe G - 20 Oct 2005 13:51 GMT
wow, good reply!  you ought to be a used car salesman...

>I see where ninebal310@aol.com contributed:
>
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> Will Sill
> The Curmudgeon of Sill Hill
Chris - 20 Oct 2005 15:02 GMT
> wow, good reply!  you ought to be a used car salesman...
>
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> > Will Sill
> > The Curmudgeon of Sill Hill

Hes upset because no one wants to buy his homemade camper for twice what
its worth.  Hes nuts.  He'll end up keeping it and letting it rot to the
ground.
Unk - 21 Oct 2005 02:10 GMT
>Hes upset because no one wants to buy his homemade camper for twice what
>its worth.  Hes nuts.  He'll end up keeping it and letting it rot to the
>ground.

And just how does that affect you?

unk
Chris - 21 Oct 2005 02:20 GMT
> >Hes upset because no one wants to buy his homemade camper for twice what
> >its worth.  Hes nuts.  He'll end up keeping it and letting it rot to the
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> unk

I'm tired of hearing him rant about how great the camper is and how
great thinks he is here and on RORT.  
Unk - 21 Oct 2005 13:03 GMT
>> And just how does that affect you?
>>
>> unk
>>
>I'm tired of hearing him rant about how great the camper is and how
>great thinks he is here and on RORT.  

Then filter him out.

unk
Chris - 21 Oct 2005 18:08 GMT
> >> And just how does that affect you?
> >>
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>
> unk

I think I'll filter you!
Unk - 22 Oct 2005 00:41 GMT
>> >I'm tired of hearing him rant about how great the camper is and how
>> >great thinks he is here and on RORT.  
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>>
>I think I'll filter you!

That threat just ruined my whole f.cking weekend!

You flatter yourself!
Hunter - 22 Oct 2005 00:55 GMT
>That threat just ruined my whole f.cking weekend!
>
>You flatter yourself!

LOL,
Hunter
--

http://members.aol.com/hhamp5246/roadtrip2005.htm

Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well-preserved body,
but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "...holy sh.t...what a ride!"
Chris - 22 Oct 2005 02:29 GMT
> >That threat just ruined my whole f.cking weekend!
> >
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> Hunter
> --

oh, stuff it trailer trash!

> http://members.aol.com/hhamp5246/roadtrip2005.htm
>
> Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well-preserved body,
> but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "...holy sh.t...what a ride!"
Chris - 22 Oct 2005 02:21 GMT
> >> >I'm tired of hearing him rant about how great the camper is and how
> >> >great thinks he is here and on RORT.  
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
> That threat just ruined my whole f.cking weekend!

Good!

> You flatter yourself!

You're an idiot!
Unk - 22 Oct 2005 14:55 GMT
>> That threat just ruined my whole f.cking weekend!
>
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>
>You're an idiot!

From your perspective I take that as a compliment.

unk
Advocate - 21 Oct 2005 13:39 GMT
>> And just how does that affect you?
>>
>> unk
>>
> I'm tired of hearing him rant about how great the camper is and how
> great thinks he is here and on RORT.

I've never seen him claim either...I think you need a pill.
Chris - 21 Oct 2005 18:09 GMT
> >> And just how does that affect you?
> >>
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>
> I've never seen him claim either...I think you need a pill.

I've never seen you post on here or on RORT so how the hell would you
know?
Lou@GoForIt.net - 20 Oct 2005 14:50 GMT
> I see where ninebal310@aol.com contributed:
>
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> Will Sill
> The Curmudgeon of Sill Hill

You can't resist being nasty even when you are trying to sell something.

Lou
"It takes just as much time to be nice to someone as it does to be a jerk.
So why be a jerk?" Tim Russet quoting his father Big Russ
David Malone - 20 Oct 2005 14:56 GMT
>I am confused. Have you "decided" to sell it, or are you "considering"
>selling it?

Hi, Hank... didn't know you were an RV'er... or were you just looking
for cheap transportation and a place to sleep when you go to pool
tournaments?  (grin).

David "The Hamster" Malone
www.hamstertales.com
ninebal310@aol.com - 20 Oct 2005 22:03 GMT
> >I am confused. Have you "decided" to sell it, or are you "considering"
> >selling it?
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> David "The Hamster" Malone
> www.hamstertales.com

Hi Dave,

   Small world huh? I have been camping and traveling alot this year.
It is coming to a halt due to the weather tho. I have a small Class B/C
or whatever they call it. It is big enough for my wife and I. I haven't
used it to go to pool tournaments much. Maybe I'll use it more later.

   What do you have? coming to the States soon? Hell, we could meet
halfway and play pool too!

   I still haven't got Ratchet to claim the book you wrote. I don't
know what he is doing other than arguing with FL.

Let's go camping. Fla. sound good?

Hank <~~~tries it all
David Malone - 21 Oct 2005 14:43 GMT
>    What do you have?

We have a Jayco pop-up... we're currently looking for a lightweight
trailer so we don't have to spend hours putting the thing up and down.
We've been offered a good deal on a 2006 Jay Feather EXP but my wife
is stalling for some reason.

>coming to the States soon? Hell, we could meet
>halfway and play pool too!

I'll probably get to travel up there more after I retire in a few
years - I'd like it if Jimbo would set something up again but I don't
have much spare time to travel. Just weekends here and there.

>    I still haven't got Ratchet to claim the book you wrote. I don't
>know what he is doing other than arguing with FL.

He may be worse than FL himself - everytime it looks like things have
quietened down, he seems to trigger another spate.

>Let's go camping. Fla. sound good?

Yeah... I called Wilma and we have a reservation for Monday... lol.

David "The Hamster" Malone
www.hamstertales.com
Lon VanOstran - 21 Oct 2005 18:13 GMT
>>   What do you have?
>
> We have a Jayco pop-up... we're currently looking for a lightweight
> trailer so we don't have to spend hours putting the thing up and down.
> We've been offered a good deal on a 2006 Jay Feather EXP but my wife
> is stalling for some reason.

There are two sources of power. Women control all of one, and half of
the other. Don't buy that trailer. It ain't worth the grief.

Lon
Joe G - 22 Oct 2005 00:38 GMT
Amen!

>>>   What do you have?
>>
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>
> Lon
Chris - 20 Oct 2005 14:59 GMT
> > We've reluctantly decided to consider selling our class B MH.   This
> > is a home-built rig, based on what was then a new '99 GMC Savana
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
>
> Hank <~~~~easily confused

Hank,

Hes nuts if he thinks hes selling it for that.  Of course hes nuts
anyway.  Will did the work on the camper.  So the answer to your 2nd
question is no, not even close.
nb - 20 Oct 2005 15:00 GMT
> We've reluctantly decided to consider selling our class B MH.   This
> is a home-built rig, based on what was then a new '99 GMC Savana
> extended 3500 ("1-ton") van, sporting a pop-up top from Sortsmobile.
> It now has 85k miles, runs perfectly and averages about 15 mpg.
> Located at Tunkhannock PA and offered at $20k firm.

You might as well plan on keeping it.  At $20k, I doubt that you will get
any tire kickers.  Kelly Blue book shows that your Savana is only worth $8k
or less and I can't image that your improvements would be worth another
$12k.
HD in NY - 20 Oct 2005 16:04 GMT
>>We've reluctantly decided to consider selling our class B MH.   This
>>is a home-built rig, based on what was then a new '99 GMC Savana
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> or less and I can't image that your improvements would be worth another
> $12k.

You're wrong. Price a '99 Class B for a comparison. Most in
that year range will be much above $20,000 and will have a
lot more miles. Will's unit is a well designed home built,
without all the frills you see on professional conversions.
He has had a popup roof installed, has put in a terlet (with
holding tank), has an electric dump valve, a big battery
bank complete with a healthy inverter, a 120v fridge, a
microwave and hot plate (IIRC) for cooking. It would make a
nice rig for someone who is less interested in tooling
around in a fancy shell and wishing to blend in more when
sleeping in parking lots.
Hugh
Chris - 20 Oct 2005 21:08 GMT
> >>We've reluctantly decided to consider selling our class B MH.   This
> >>is a home-built rig, based on what was then a new '99 GMC Savana
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> >
> You're wrong. Price a '99 Class B for a comparison.

No HD you're wrong.  Wills is not even close to a true class B. It
doesn't even have a stove or city water hook up or air or heat.  Its a
Jack leg jerry rigged mess that is not worth $20K.  

> Most in
> that year range will be much above $20,000 and will have a
> lot more miles.

And they will be a real class B rig, probably with air and heat and not
a rigged up mess.

> Will's unit is a well designed home built,

Like I said jerry rigged.

> without all the frills you see on professional conversions.
> He has had a popup roof installed, has put in a terlet (with
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> around in a fancy shell and wishing to blend in more when
> sleeping in parking lots.

So it'd be great for a tightwad only thing is a tightwad ain't gonna pay
no 20K for it.

> Hugh
Tom  J - 20 Oct 2005 21:09 GMT
>>>We've reluctantly decided to consider selling our class B MH.
>>>This
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> parking lots.
> Hugh

Hugh, this is just another one of these people that knocks everything
that is offered for sale whether they know anything about it or not.
Lets hope he gets the same treatment when he attempts to sell
something in the future.

Tom J
nb - 20 Oct 2005 22:13 GMT
>>>We've reluctantly decided to consider selling our class B MH.   This
>>>is a home-built rig, based on what was then a new '99 GMC Savana
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
> when sleeping in parking lots.
> Hugh

Your comparing apples and oranges, it's not a Class B.  It's a van that was
converted to work like one.  A 120v fridge, microwave and hot plate, what's
that worth used $100 - $200.
Will Sill - 20 Oct 2005 23:15 GMT
I see where "nb" <nospam@nospam.com> contributed concerning a
surprising endorsement from one of my chronic critics, "HD in NY", who
wrote:

>> You're wrong. Price a '99 Class B for a comparison. Most in that year
>> range will be much above $20,000 and will have a lot more miles. Will's
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>> interested in tooling around in a fancy shell and wishing to blend in more
>> when sleeping in parking lots.

Thanx kindly, but a minor correction - no "hotplate".  See Carl's web
site for a full description. . .
http://bellsouthpwp.net/c/h/chainfl/van/

Whines the anonymous "nb" (no brains?):

>Your comparing apples and oranges, it's not a Class B.  It's a van that was
>converted to work like one.  A 120v fridge, microwave and hot plate, what's
>that worth used $100 - $200.

If your definition of a motorhome only allows for "factory" units,
this one doesn't fit.   But if you understand what features a class B
motorhome provides,  you wouldn't parade your ignorance.

But let's be clear:  I couldn't care less whether "nb" or his
nit-picking ilk thinks this offering is a bargain or a ripoff.   We'll
part with it if someone pays the asking price, and keep it if nobody
is interested. That's the suble difference between considering a sale
and trying to sell.  Twice before I have sold motorhomes to readers
who found my descriptions to be honest and my price acceptable.   If I
were desperate or even anxious to sell, I'd go to ebay and let people
bid against each other.  I'm not, and I'm simply not willing to
haggle.

BTW I didn't do much research, but the first comparable unit I priced
had a generator but no pop-up top - a '97 Dodge for $27,500.

Will Sill
"Those people who will not be governed by God will be ruled by
tyrants." Wm. Penn
nb - 21 Oct 2005 00:16 GMT
> If your definition of a motorhome only allows for "factory" units,
> this one doesn't fit.   But if you understand what features a class B
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> "Those people who will not be governed by God will be ruled by
> tyrants." Wm. Penn

Here's what a real Class B should look like:
http://www.pplmotorhomes.com/classc/10121.HTM
Chris - 21 Oct 2005 00:26 GMT
> > If your definition of a motorhome only allows for "factory" units,
> > this one doesn't fit.   But if you understand what features a class B
[quoted text clipped - 19 lines]
> Here's what a real Class B should look like:
> http://www.pplmotorhomes.com/classc/10121.HTM 

I think I'd buy Wills over this one.  NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Damn a stove,  Do class B's have a stove?  And Air conditioning!

Its even got an awning!  Wow the things they put on these class Bs
Will Sill - 21 Oct 2005 15:10 GMT
I see where "nb" <nospam@nospam.com> contributed:

>Here's what a real Class B should look like:
>http://www.pplmotorhomes.com/classc/10121.HTM

Compare with http://bellsouthpwp.net/c/h/chainfl/van/

Either one could be a good deal for someone. Their price was - $21,995
Now Only - $20,950.

Of course, it is a year older than mine, does not have the pop-up top,
no inverter, is shorter than mine, and on an (ugh!) Dodge chassis (g).

Will Sill
The Curmudgeon of Sill Hill
Chris - 21 Oct 2005 00:18 GMT
> I see where "nb" <nospam@nospam.com> contributed concerning a
> surprising endorsement from one of my chronic critics, "HD in NY", who
[quoted text clipped - 36 lines]
> BTW I didn't do much research, but the first comparable unit I priced
> had a generator but no pop-up top - a '97 Dodge for $27,500.

Did it also have Air, heat, LP Gas, a stove, city water hookup, gas
fridge, and decent cabinetry?   Subtract those and the generator out and
yours is well a van with a bed and a tiny crapper.

> Will Sill
> "Those people who will not be governed by God will be ruled by
> tyrants." Wm. Penn
HD in NY - 21 Oct 2005 00:18 GMT
> I see where "nb" <nospam@nospam.com> contributed concerning a
> surprising endorsement from one of my chronic critics, "HD in NY", who
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
> site for a full description. . .
> http://bellsouthpwp.net/c/h/chainfl/van/
snipped

Okay, no hot plate but, an electric skillet isn't that far
from a single burner hot plate. Besides, I was going by
memory derived from emails of what, five years ago? I was
impressed with your approach to the class B vehicle, which
it is. The best thing about it is the Stealth look. It can
pass for a commercial van in a parking lot and I mean that
in a good way.

I don't know why you call my words surprising, I've defended
you a lot when I thought you were being criticized wrongly.
Since you choose to filter me you have no idea. Maybe that's
why I'm quick, at times, to call you an a.shole.
Hugh
Chris - 21 Oct 2005 00:28 GMT
> > I see where "nb" <nospam@nospam.com> contributed concerning a
> > surprising endorsement from one of my chronic critics, "HD in NY", who
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> why I'm quick, at times, to call you an a.shole.
> Hugh

I'll solve this quick.  You're both a.sholes!
HeatMan - 21 Oct 2005 01:39 GMT
> I see where "nb" <nospam@nospam.com> contributed concerning a
> surprising endorsement from one of my chronic critics, "HD in NY", who
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
> site for a full description. . .
> http://bellsouthpwp.net/c/h/chainfl/van/

Bandwidth exceeded.  Try again soon.....
Will Sill - 20 Oct 2005 17:34 GMT
I see where "nb" <nospam@nospam.com> contributed:

>You might as well plan on keeping it.  At $20k, I doubt that you will get
>any tire kickers.  Kelly Blue book shows that your Savana is only worth $8k
>or less and I can't image that your improvements would be worth another
>$12k.

Thank you for your unsolicited opinion.  I take it you are among the
thousands who are not interested.  This may come as a surprise to you,
but I fully expect the overwhelming majority of readers to be
completely uninterested.  I expect even most shoppers to conclude they
don't want it at all, or don't want to pay my price.  Imagine the
chaos if hundreds wanted it!

Will Sill
The Curmudgeon of Sill Hill
real edress for the curious: will@epix.net

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