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in my 03 Fleetwood coach with 50A service ok...talking about one of those liquid filled portables that is either 750 or 1500 watts....any overload issues? can always be. depends on the circuit you plug it into to. check your circuits out and use theone with the least number of normal on items. mikeyhsd@sport.rr.com > in my 03 Fleetwood coach with 50A service ok...talking about one of those > liquid filled portables that is either 750 or 1500 watts....any overload > issues? I see where "Larry" <ppcdoc@hotmail.com> contributed: >in my 03 Fleetwood coach with 50A service ok...talking about one of those >liquid filled portables that is either 750 or 1500 watts....any overload >issues? In a word, no. BTW "liquid filled" is a way of making a heater more expensive, heavier, and more profitable to sell. They produce NO more heat than the cheapest "ceramic" or old-fashioned hot wire heater. The functional difference? They take longer to heat up and longer to cool down but no net difference in heat suppied to the space. Will Sill The Curmudgeon of Sill Hill > I see where "Larry" <ppcdoc@hotmail.com> contributed: > >in my 03 Fleetwood coach with 50A service ok...talking about one of those [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > Will Sill > The Curmudgeon of Sill Hill But once they get heated up perhaps they cycle less? And maybe heat is more even? Lou snipped > But once they get heated up perhaps they cycle less? And maybe heat is more > even? > > Lou Yes. I've used both forced air types and the oil type. Cost for an oil filled is no more than other types and they provide much more uniform heat. The biggest down side to them is size. The biggest upside is even heat plus no danger of fire. Hugh >I see where "Larry" <ppcdoc@hotmail.com> contributed: >>in my 03 Fleetwood coach with 50A service ok...talking about one of those [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > functional difference? They take longer to heat up and longer to > cool down but no net difference in heat suppied to the space. However, the heat provided is far more comfortable and even, making it for many people much more desirable and worth the added expense, weight, and size. It summary, this was just another needlessly negative post from Mr. Sill.  SignatureD.J., N8DO; FMCA 147762 dj[underscore]osborn at yahoo dot com >> I see where "Larry" <ppcdoc@hotmail.com> contributed: >>> in my 03 Fleetwood coach with 50A service ok...talking about one [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > It summary, this was just another needlessly negative post from Mr. > Sill. No, it was an opinion, as was the first paragraph of your post. The second paragraph of your post was "another needlessly negative post" from Mr. Osborn. Signature"Free enterprise has done more to reduce poverty than all the government programs dreamed up by Democrats." --Ronald Reagan http://www.bobhatch.com http://www.tdsrvresort.com >>> I see where "Larry" <ppcdoc@hotmail.com> contributed: >>>> in my 03 Fleetwood coach with 50A service ok...talking about one [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > paragraph of your post was "another needlessly negative post" from Mr. > Osborn. Sorry, Bob, but you completely missed this one. I provided *facts* and not opinion. Moreover, my post wasn't at all negative; in fact, it was quite positive. SignatureD.J., N8DO; FMCA 147762 dj[underscore]osborn at yahoo dot com >>>> I see where "Larry" <ppcdoc@hotmail.com> contributed: >>>>> in my 03 Fleetwood coach with 50A service ok...talking about one [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > and not opinion. Moreover, my post wasn't at all negative; in fact, > it was quite positive. No, I didn't miss this one. Could you provide a site to the data that shows that the heat from an oil filled heater is "far more comfortable and even, making it for many people much more desirable and worth the added expense, weight, and size.", because without test data to prove the statement, it's opinion. You call this "It summary, this was just another needlessly negative post from Mr. Sill.", positive? You need reading lessons David, all you supplied was your opinion, same as Will did. Signature"Free enterprise has done more to reduce poverty than all the government programs dreamed up by Democrats." --Ronald Reagan http://www.bobhatch.com http://www.tdsrvresort.com >>>>> I see where "Larry" <ppcdoc@hotmail.com> contributed: >>>>>> in my 03 Fleetwood coach with 50A service ok...talking about one [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > > No, I didn't miss this one. Yes, you clearly did. > Could you provide a site to the data that shows that the heat from an oil > filled heater is "far more comfortable and even, making it for many people > much more desirable and worth the added expense, weight, and size.", > because without test data to prove the statement, it's opinion. Once again, Bob, you showed your nonsensical side. Finding a site that suppports my statement was so easy that even *you* could have done it. http://www.lakewoodeng.com/html/heaterfacts.html > You call this "It summary, this was just another needlessly negative post > from Mr. Sill.", positive? My statement provided the postive aspects of oil-filled heaters, which Mr. Sill conveniently left out. My statement that hi post was needlessly negative simply provided the proper context for the discussion. > You need reading lessons David, all you supplied was your opinion, same as > Will did. Nope, I provided facts--and I left it up to the reader to form his *own* opinion as to whether or not an oil-filled heater was appropriate for his use. SignatureD.J., N8DO; FMCA 147762 dj[underscore]osborn at yahoo dot com snipped > No, I didn't miss this one. > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > You need reading lessons David, all you supplied was your opinion, same as > Will did. I missed Ozzies post 'cause I have him filtered but he's right about the oil filled. I don't need scientific data to prove they provide more even heating. The flip side to them though is they don't provide instant heat like a fan forced unit does. On the other hand, a ceramic brick like unit would do the same thing as an oil filled. It's the mass of the unit that makes the difference. An oil filled can be purchased for as little as $30. Hugh >>>I missed Ozzies post 'cause I have him filtered but he's right about the >>>oil filled. I don't need scientific data to prove they provide more even >>>heating. The flip side to them though is they don't provide instant heat >>>like a fan forced unit does. On the other hand, a ceramic brick like unit >>>would do the same thing as an oil filled. It's the mass of the unit that >>>makes the difference.<<< I can see an advantage to the oil filled heaters, if you have the room for them. The biggest advantage I can see is if something flammable does happen to fall on the heater, it won't start a fire. SignatureJerryD(upstateNY) > BTW "liquid filled" is a way of making a heater more expensive, > heavier, and more profitable to sell. They produce NO more heat than > the cheapest "ceramic" or old-fashioned hot wire heater. The > functional difference? They take longer to heat up and longer to > cool down but no net difference in heat suppied to the space. Without reading the replies (and flames) that follow, I'll agree. We lived in an all-electric home for 13 years. While attending a home show, the gas-furnace droids were reluctant to do comparisons as electric-resistance heat is almost 100% efficient. Watts is watts. There's nothing to "go up the flue" or otherwise be unuseable as heat. (Of course, it took until 2005 for the price of NG to get as *HIGH*!<g>) A common light bulb is a FAR more efficient source of HEAT than light. :) JR > > BTW "liquid filled" is a way of making a heater more expensive, > > heavier, and more profitable to sell. They produce NO more heat than [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > :) > JR And burning dollar bills is 100% efficient too. > > BTW "liquid filled" is a way of making a heater more expensive, > > heavier, and more profitable to sell. They produce NO more heat than [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > :) > JR I have read that many of you use 600-1500 watt electric heaters (oil filled and otherwise) as an option to using your propane heaters. We use a 27,500 Btu forced air electric heater in our 5er when we don't want to use the propane heater. Ron I see where "Ron Recer" <ron48@aol.com> contributed: >I have read that many of you use 600-1500 watt electric heaters (oil filled >and otherwise) as an option to using your propane heaters. We use a 27,500 >Btu forced air electric heater in our 5er when we don't want to use the >propane heater. Portables are limited (by law) to 1500w or less - about 5k Btu. Do you actually have a built-in heater pulling 8kw (66a!)? Will Sill The Curmudgeon of Sill Hill > I see where "Ron Recer" <ron48@aol.com> contributed: > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Will Sill Yes, it is a heat pump. With 50 amp service the heat pump is all we need until temperatures get below 40 degrees. At times, depending on humidity and wind, the heat pump works fine well into the 30s. We just got back from a 3 night trip to NW Arkansas where the temps ranged from lows down to 31 and highs only up the low 60s. The propane heater only kicked in for a few hours before sun rise each morning. The rest of the time the heat pump did just fine. Ron > I have read that many of you use 600-1500 watt electric heaters (oil > filled [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > the > propane heater. SO, what's the wattage of this marvelous heater, and what voltage is this heater? Tom J who has never heard of such a portable animal err- heater! >> I have read that many of you use 600-1500 watt electric heaters (oil >> filled [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >Tom J >who has never heard of such a portable animal err- heater! It is actually a 5,000 watter. He was reading the model number by mistake. heheheh unk > > I have read that many of you use 600-1500 watt electric heaters (oil > > filled [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > Tom J > who has never heard of such a portable animal err- heater! I never said it was portable. It is a dual stage heat pump that runs on 120 volts and I need either a 50 amp connection or a 30 amp connection along with a 15 or 20 amp connection to run both stages. With a 30 amp connection only the first stage runs and it becomes a 13,500 Btu heating/cooling unit. Ron >>>I have read that many of you use 600-1500 watt electric heaters (oil >>>filled [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > Ron Hah, I thought so <g>. Hugh >>>> I have read that many of you use 600-1500 watt electric heaters (oil >>>> filled [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > Hah, I thought so <g>. > Hugh I think it is a great idea and even a smaller one that is only 12 or 15000 BTUS and draws less power would be nice to have for most chilly days and have furnace for the really cold days. Signature----------------- www.thesnoman.com >>>>> I have read that many of you use 600-1500 watt electric heaters >>>>> (oil [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > 15000 BTUS and draws less power would be nice to have for most > chilly days and have furnace for the really cold days. When hooked to power, the $20 1500 watt electric does just fine for us, never using the furnace. If dry camping, we turn the furnace on about 5 minutes in the morning. We do travel towards climates, most of the time, that makes this possible. Tom J who's RV has wheels for moving > >>>> I have read that many of you use 600-1500 watt electric heaters (oil > >>>> filled [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > 15000 BTUS and draws less power would be nice to have for most chilly > days and have furnace for the really cold days. When we are connected to 30 amp service we can only run the first stage of the heat pump. One stage (13,500 Btu) is fine as along as the outside temperature stays above the lower to mid 50s. Any colder than that and it takes both stages to keep up and maintain a warm temperature. Ron >> >>>> I have read that many of you use 600-1500 watt electric heaters (oil >> >>>> filled [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > temperature stays above the lower to mid 50s. Any colder than that and it > takes both stages to keep up and maintain a warm temperature. How many watts does it take to generate 13,500BTUs with your heat pump? Cheers, Joe > >> >>>> I have read that many of you use 600-1500 watt electric heaters (oil > >> >>>> filled [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > > Cheers, Joe I can't remember exactly and am too lazy to go out to the 5er and get the book. Seems like the first stage uses close to 15 amps at 120 volts and the second stage uses 1-2 amps less since the fan motor is on the same circuit as the first stage. Fifteen amps at 120 volts would be 1800 watts and if the second stage used 13.5 amps that would be another 1620 watts so I would guess both stages would be around 3200-3400 watts for 27,000 BTUs. Generally, I don't care what the power consumption is to run the heat pump since I don't have to pay the electric bill in most places. When we are in the Rio Grande Valley for the winter, we do have to pay an electric bill and use propane for heat. This winter we may try using the heat pump for a month or so and see how that cost compares to using propane. Down there propane has been cheap the last four winters. In '02 it cost $8.60 to refill a 30# tank, in '03 it went up to $9.00, in '04 it was $9.75-$10.00 and in Jan and Feb of '05 it was up to $10.50. In other parts of the country I have paid $13-$19+ for refills in '05. Ron > use propane for heat. This winter we may try using the heat pump for a > month or so and see how that cost compares to using propane. Down there > propane has been cheap the last four winters. In '02 it cost $8.60 to > refill a 30# tank, in '03 it went up to $9.00, in '04 it was $9.75-$10.00 > and in Jan and Feb of '05 it was up to $10.50. In other parts of the > country I have paid $13-$19+ for refills in '05. We paid $20.50 for 30# in New Orleans KOA!! Then $13 in Harlingen, TX Cheers, Joe > In other parts of the country I have paid $13-$19+ for refills in '05. I just paid 69-centsUS/# for 30# LP = $20.70. I could probably find it a cent or two/# cheaper elsewhere locally, but that's it. :) JR >>In other parts of the country I have paid $13-$19+ for refills in '05. > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > :) > JR That works out to about 2.76/gallon which I would not say is that cheap. I pay about 2.25/gallon for a 20lb bottle and 1.80/gallon for a 100 lb bottle. Signature----------------- www.thesnoman.com > in my 03 Fleetwood coach with 50A service ok...talking about one of those > liquid filled portables that is either 750 or 1500 watts....any overload > issues? Most, if not all, the oil filled heaters are a combination of 600 watt and 900 watt elements. Ours was purchased from Walmart for IIRC about $20. It works well and doesn't cause any problems with the outlet it's plugged into, nor does it cause any big drop in voltage in the rest of the system. Hugh >>>>in my 03 Fleetwood coach with 50A service ok...talking about one of >>>>those liquid filled portables that is either 750 or 1500 watts....any overload issues?<<< I have seen 4 slice toasters that use 2200 watts. No one worries about using a toaster in a motro home. A watt is a watt, no matter what you are doing with it. I see no reason a 1500 watt heater should bother the wiring in a 2003 motorhome. SignatureJerryD(upstateNY) GOOD news.....its about to get cold in the sunny south......about time!!! > >>>>in my 03 Fleetwood coach with 50A service ok...talking about one of > >>>>those [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > I see no reason a 1500 watt heater should bother the wiring in a 2003 > motorhome. > GOOD news.....its about to get cold in the sunny south......about time!!! HOORAY!!! It's about time: it was 90F here, today! According to the Liars' Academy [aka the local Weathercritters], it might go down to 85F by the end of next week. > in my 03 Fleetwood coach with 50A service ok...talking about one of those > liquid filled portables that is either 750 or 1500 watts....any overload > issues? 1500 watts is 12.5 A. Hopefully all of your sockets would be rated at 15A. Liquid filled or not, coffee pot, or microwave, 1500 watts is 1500 watts. We use a 50A service and run 2- 1500W heaters (on separate circuits) w/ no problem > in my 03 Fleetwood coach with 50A service ok...talking about one of those > liquid filled portables that is either 750 or 1500 watts....any overload > issues? > We use a 50A service and run 2- 1500W heaters (on separate circuits) w/ no > problem > >>in my 03 Fleetwood coach with 50A service ok...talking about one of those >>liquid filled portables that is either 750 or 1500 watts....any overload >>issues? Feel the power cord and the plug/socket when it has been running at 1500watts for a bit. Signature----------------- www.thesnoman.com > in my 03 Fleetwood coach with 50A service ok...talking about one of those > liquid filled portables that is either 750 or 1500 watts....any overload > issues? No
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