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Bike rack on travel trailer bumper

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Don T. - 25 Oct 2005 03:33 GMT
Am planning to attach a (2) bike rack to the 4" sq welded bumper on my 30'
Jayco TT. I plan to attach a 2" square hitch receiver to the bumper Then
connect the bike rack that will hold the 2 bikes. Total weight = <100#. Has
anyone had this setup experience?
Thanks for any advice/help.

Don
Healeyman - 25 Oct 2005 06:25 GMT
Total weight = <100#. Has anyone had this setup experience?
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When I bought my Class C RV, the spare tire was attached to a post that was
clamped to the 4" waste hose tube across the rear.  The mount placed the
center of the tire (about 50-60#) about 24 inches above the square tube.

The front facing wall of the square tube was butt welded to the C-shaped
fame rails protruding out the back, under the RV.

At about 50,000 miles on the odometer, with the tire bouncing around and
rocking back and forth, the front wall of the square tube failed due to
metal fatigue around the square tube-to-frame welds.

The tire and square tube rotated rearward, such that the spare tire was
parallel with the ground.  I could see it in my back-up camera.

Remember, if you mount 100 pounds, 3 feet above the square tube, you have
300 Ft. Lbs. of rotational torque on a sheet metal square tube.  300 Ft. Lbs
of torque is equivalent to a 150 pound person hanging on the end of a 2 foot
pipe.  That's a LOT of torque!  That torque is magnified through bumps and
vibrations.

For my spare, I made an inverted "Y" frame out of 2 inch steel tube and
welded it to the RV frame in front of the square tube "bumper"..

I would NOT mount ANYTHING whose center of mass is more than a few inches
above the square tube.  Eventually, it WILL fail.   I was in Nowhere,
Montana, when mine failed.
ninebal310@aol.com - 25 Oct 2005 10:31 GMT
If you have the same type bumper that Healeyman described, you are
asking for trouble. Not only from the torque issue, but from the
weakened metal due to the rusting inside the 4" square tube that you
store your waste line in.

I would suggest that you take off that bumper, weld/bolt on a new
receiver that connects directly to the frame, then attach the 4" square
tube that holds your waste line.

Hank <~~~likes to overbuild
Will Sill - 25 Oct 2005 13:00 GMT
I see where "Don T." <dgthew@execpc.com> contributed:
>Am planning to attach a (2) bike rack to the 4" sq welded bumper on my 30'
>Jayco TT. I plan to attach a 2" square hitch receiver to the bumper Then
>connect the bike rack that will hold the 2 bikes. Total weight = <100#. Has
>anyone had this setup experience?

Thousands have done it, but I don't think that is what you want to
know.   It's a bad idea, not only for the reasons cited by those who
have already replied, but because the back of your trailer bounces a
lot, beating up whatever is mounted there, and your bikes WILL get
covered with road crud on wet days.  My advice - find another place to
carry bikes.

Will Sill
The Curmudgeon of Sill Hill
Lou@GoForIt.net - 25 Oct 2005 13:57 GMT
> I see where "Don T." <dgthew@execpc.com> contributed:
> >Am planning to attach a (2) bike rack to the 4" sq welded bumper on my 30'
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> Will Sill
> The Curmudgeon of Sill Hill

Where?

Lou
Unk - 25 Oct 2005 18:28 GMT
>> I see where "Don T." <dgthew@execpc.com> contributed:
>> >Am planning to attach a (2) bike rack to the 4" sq welded bumper on my 30'
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>
>Lou

I have seen a number of bicycles mounted on the front bumper and
braced to accommodate the forces involved.  I don't know if they were
commercial mounts or gerry rigged by an amateur welder.  You can look
into that though.

unk
HD in NY - 25 Oct 2005 16:38 GMT
> Am planning to attach a (2) bike rack to the 4" sq welded bumper on my 30'
> Jayco TT. I plan to attach a 2" square hitch receiver to the bumper Then
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> Don

I don't like those racks for bumper mount. We have this rack;
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>

It works well with our trailer but, you *have* to make sure
the bumper can stand the load. If the square tube bumper is
welded to the frame channels of the trailer frame and the
welding is complete around the entire joint line, then a
reinforcing strap can be welded on the top joint which will
make the bumper more secure. If the manufacturer does not
specifically state the spare tire can be carried on the
bumper, don't expect it to carry even one bike. These things
 fall off a lot.

I don't know how Jayco "engineers" their bumper
installation. Our trailer is a Holiday Rambler and its
bumper is sturdy enough to support the bikes and rack. The
last trailer we had, an '88 HR, had a reinforced bumper
sturdy enough to carry a light cycle. Our current trailer
bumper isn't that sturdy but is sufficient to carry our bikes.
Hugh
PaulT - 25 Oct 2005 17:05 GMT
> I don't know how Jayco "engineers" their bumper installation. Our trailer
> is a Holiday Rambler and its bumper is sturdy enough to support the bikes
> and rack. The last trailer we had, an '88 HR, had a reinforced bumper
> sturdy enough to carry a light cycle. Our current trailer bumper isn't
> that sturdy but is sufficient to carry our bikes.
> Hugh

Earlier this month in Myrtle beach, SC we saw a Jayco 5th wheel
with a platform mounted on the back carrying a golf cart.
Hope he wasn't going very far!
Paul
HD in NY - 25 Oct 2005 20:28 GMT
>>I don't know how Jayco "engineers" their bumper installation. Our trailer
>>is a Holiday Rambler and its bumper is sturdy enough to support the bikes
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> Hope he wasn't going very far!
> Paul

I think that's way too much weight to hang off the back end
of a 5th wheel. The lever action will take a bunch of weight
off the hitch and should result in an imperfect tow setup on
the road. In the event of an accident, the guy could be
caught in a nasty civil case. He not only could get nailed
by who he hit, he could also get nailed by Jayco.
Hugh
Don T. - 28 Oct 2005 02:17 GMT
Hugh,
The bumper is fully welded top and sides to the 2x6 tubular frame. It
already supports a spare mounted to it. The Thule bike rack hitch will have
a 7" extension to clear the spare. I can weld a 1/4 thick plate to the top
of the bumper and back over the frame to reinforce. I am concerned about the
twist torque that will be exerted by the extended load past the bumper so
may even add corner brackets to both outer joints of the bumper to frame
connection. Hopefully the whole a.s-end of the trailer won't fall off!
Thanks for your help and comments.
Don
HD in NY - 28 Oct 2005 15:24 GMT
> Hugh,
> The bumper is fully welded top and sides to the 2x6 tubular frame. It
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> Thanks for your help and comments.
> Don

That's generally the way our '88 was done. There was a 3/16"
plate welded on top and another on the bottom. The problem I
see with depending on the tube resisting any lever arm
forces is the gage of the tube itself. Mine doesn't seem to
be more than 14 ga. and even with the reinforcement doesn't
seem strong enough to resist stress cracks around the weld
points. That's the problem I see as a possibility for
failure. The bikes, on that longer lever arm, will set up
stress points on all the weld areas.

I took the spare off the bumper and installed the bike rack
I gave the url to. I could have bought an over the tire rack
but didn't like the lever arm problem it presented. Just my
rambling thoughts on this.
Hugh
Advocate - 26 Oct 2005 05:03 GMT
> Am planning to attach a (2) bike rack to the 4" sq welded bumper on my 30'
> Jayco TT. I plan to attach a 2" square hitch receiver to the bumper Then
> connect the bike rack that will hold the 2 bikes. Total weight = <100#.
> Has anyone had this setup experience?
> Thanks for any advice/help.

Get a Yakima or Thule roof rack for your tow vehicle and carry your bicycles
up there. My Yakima handles alot of weight and is extremely secure.
R.J.(Bob) Evans - 26 Oct 2005 16:45 GMT
>Am planning to attach a (2) bike rack to the 4" sq welded bumper on my 30'
>Jayco TT. I plan to attach a 2" square hitch receiver to the bumper Then
>connect the bike rack that will hold the 2 bikes. Total weight = <100#. Has
>anyone had this setup experience?
>Thanks for any advice/help.

As others have already pointed out there are 2 issues:
1) do you really want your bikes bouncing around on the rear of your
trailer in the dust and road grime?
2) if the answer to (1) is Yes, then how are you going to attach the
rack to the trailer?

We did this on our fifth wheel because it was convenient.  Carrying 5
bikes "somewhere else" on that rig simply wasn't an option.  We tried
dragging a couple of them inside the trailer but that was a royal
PITA, not to mention hard on carpet and furniture.  So we put up with
the grime and mess that came along with hanging them on the back.

Whatever you do, DO NOT attach your bracket to the tin foil bumper.
That is just an accident waiting to happen.  In our case we had a
Class IV receiver tube mounted to the frame of the trailer and then
put a bracket into the receiver tube to carry the bikes.  I repeat,
your existing bumper is decorative only and is likely overloaded when
it is carrying your sh.t hose.  Do not depend on it to carry anything
else.

R.J.(Bob) Evans
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Joe Bedford - 26 Oct 2005 16:52 GMT
> Am planning to attach a (2) bike rack to the 4" sq welded bumper on my 30'
> Jayco TT. I plan to attach a 2" square hitch receiver to the bumper Then
> connect the bike rack that will hold the 2 bikes. Total weight = <100#.
> Has anyone had this setup experience?
> Thanks for any advice/help.

As others have told you, if you have a weak bumber don't do it. I don't know
your trailer's construction but the rear bumper on my trailer is VERY strong
and welded directly to the frame. The slope on our driveway is such that
when I back the trailer off the street, the bumper drags on the ground to
the extent that it's holding up the entire back end of the rig. The is no
evidence of damage or bending of any trailer parts.

Yes, I know I really should get some of those heavy duty casters for the
rear (but I don't put the trailer on the driveway very often).

Cheers, Joe
 
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