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Car Forum / Driving, Maintenance, Tuning / RVs / January 2006Which is best Dodge, Ford or Chevy diesel 2x4 for towing?
Hi all, I'm looking at buying a 3/4 ton diesel 2x4 to tow a fifth wheel camping trailer. I'm new to the 3/4 ton family of trucks and especially the diesels. Any insights would be appreciated. Thanks, Jeff Banta jeff_banta@bellsouth.net > Hi all, > > I'm looking at buying a 3/4 ton diesel 2x4 to tow a fifth wheel camping > trailer. I'm new to the 3/4 ton family of trucks and especially the > diesels. Any insights would be appreciated. Thats a loaded question and you'll get 3 different groups giving you their answers. One in support of each of the 3 trucks. I like the Dodge Cummins. Tough engine to beat for its reliability. Chevy's Allison trannies are one of the best. Yeah, thought about that but only after I'd already sent the post.... Oh well.... I test drove an '06 2500 turbo cummins with the auto trans and noticed, what seemed to me, to be a lot of slipping of the first gear clutch pack when first starting out from a stop.... Is this normal for the auto tranny? Thanks >> Hi all, >> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > I like the Dodge Cummins. Tough engine to beat for its reliability. > Chevy's Allison trannies are one of the best. > Yeah, thought about that but only after I'd already sent the post.... Oh > well.... > > I test drove an '06 2500 turbo cummins with the auto trans and noticed, what > seemed to me, to be a lot of slipping of the first gear clutch pack when > first starting out from a stop.... Is this normal for the auto tranny? I haven't noticed that but I haven't driven an 06. Is it really slipping, or just a rather low 1st gear that is held longer than normal? > Yeah, thought about that but only after I'd already sent the post.... Oh > well.... > > I test drove an '06 2500 turbo cummins with the auto trans and noticed, what > seemed to me, to be a lot of slipping of the first gear clutch pack when > first starting out from a stop.... Is this normal for the auto tranny? Not normally.. BTW, the Dodge Trany doesn't (yet) measure up to either the Ford or Chevy. Just wish the Dodge trany was on par with the Cummins engine  Signature-------------------------------------------------------- Personal e-mail is the n7bsn but at amsat.org This posting address is a spam-trap and seldom read RV and Camping FAQ can be found at http://www.ralphandellen.us/rv >> Yeah, thought about that but only after I'd already sent the post.... Oh >> well.... [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > BTW, the Dodge Trany doesn't (yet) measure up to either the Ford or > Chevy. Just wish the Dodge trany was on par with the Cummins engine My 2003.5's 48RE hasn't shown any problems - of course, I only pull a 7 ton 5er with it... >>> Yeah, thought about that but only after I'd already sent the post.... Oh >>> well.... [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >My 2003.5's 48RE hasn't shown any problems - of course, I only pull a 7 ton >5er with it... Got more than 7 ton to tow, here's the package: http://www.f650pickups.com/indexb.html >>>> Yeah, thought about that but only after I'd already sent the >>>> post.... Oh [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > http://www.f650pickups.com/indexb.html At $82,000 up for a Ford pickup, I can find better things to spend my Social Security check on. Besides, jacked up trucks don't make good tow vehicles. Tom J Yah, and those POS's are "jacked up" in more ways than one. Wouldn't have one if they were free. SignatureSteve Barker >>>>> Yeah, thought about that but only after I'd already sent the post.... >>>>> Oh [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > > Tom J In a 2wd I would vote for the GM Dmax because it has the least weight penaty up front over dead axle in 2wd and the Cummins is the worst about that which is a factor on soft ground or backup up on a slick surface. Also the Ford has the noisiest one by far of all three of them. The Allison is also a tuff act to beat behind a diesel. >>>>Yeah, thought about that but only after I'd already sent the post.... Oh >>>>well.... [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! >100,000 Newsgroups > ---= East/West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =--- Signature----------------- www.thesnoman.com > In a 2wd I would vote for the GM Dmax because it has the least weight > penaty up front over dead axle in 2wd and the Cummins is the worst about > that which is a factor on soft ground or backup up on a slick surface. > Also the Ford has the noisiest one by far of all three of them. The > Allison is also a tuff act to beat behind a diesel. Still trying to "snow" people "SnoMan"? Too bad you don't know anything about the current ['03.5 and later] production Dodges. >>In a 2wd I would vote for the GM Dmax because it has the least weight >>penaty up front over dead axle in 2wd and the Cummins is the worst about [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Too bad you don't know anything about the current ['03.5 and later] > production Dodges. You are the one doing the "snowing". Put them and a scale and see for yourself. I have!! Dodge had so much trouble with the weight of the CTD engine in 4x4 that they quietly upgraded the axle in 03 because of problems with D60 ball joints wearing prematurely from weight. Look at a 02 than a 03 and see the difference but Dodge never said a word about it publicly. You need to get your ducks in a row. Signature----------------- www.thesnoman.com >>>In a 2wd I would vote for the GM Dmax because it has the least weight >>>penaty up front over dead axle in 2wd and the Cummins is the worst about [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > 02 than a 03 and see the difference but Dodge never said a word about it > publicly. You need to get your ducks in a row. Still trying to "snow" people "SnoMan"? What part of "Too bad you don't know anything about the current ['03.5 and later] production Dodges. " don't you understand? Your information concerning current production vehicles seems to be seriously deficient and only those attempting to shop for clapped-out used vehicles have any use for your drivel. Go out and do some serious research before blathering. >Got more than 7 ton to tow, here's the package: > >http://www.f650pickups.com/indexb.html Oddly, that truck's GVWR is only 6,000# higher than Bruiser's. (F-250) Hunter -- http://members.aol.com/hhamp5246/roadtrip2005.htm Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well-preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "...holy sh.t...what a ride!" >I'm looking at buying a 3/4 ton diesel 2x4 to tow a fifth wheel camping >trailer. How heavy is the trailer you want? What's the pin weight? Hunter -- http://members.aol.com/hhamp5246/roadtrip2005.htm Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well-preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "...holy sh.t...what a ride!" I'm looking at something around 1500-2000 pin and 13-15,000 GVW on the trailer >>I'm looking at buying a 3/4 ton diesel 2x4 to tow a fifth wheel camping >>trailer. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "...holy > sh.t...what a ride!" Here's another choice. http://www.rockcrawler.com/features/newsshorts/05february/international.asp I'd love to find one of those in the drive way, unfortunately it won't fit in the garage and i think the wife would get lonely with me having soooo much fun with it all the time.... ;) Oh yeah, and there's always the issue of my budget..... ;) > Here's another choice. > > http://www.rockcrawler.com/features/newsshorts/05february/international.asp >I'm looking at something around 1500-2000 pin and 13-15,000 GVW on the >trailer Personally, I would get a one ton.....they don't cost that much more.... Hunter -- http://members.aol.com/hhamp5246/roadtrip2005.htm Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well-preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "...holy sh.t...what a ride!" > I'm looking at something around 1500-2000 pin and 13-15,000 GVW on the > trailer Looks like that pin weight is a little heavy for the GVW. You also have to remember the tow vehicle has a cargo capacity that is including the pin weight. So if you have 2000# on the pin and 200# on the hitch, 180# of fuel and your weight of 200#, you have exceeded the capacity of my 2500 Ram. The one ton increase is not that impressive either, especially if you get the 4X4. My GVWR is 11070# with a pin weight of 950#, my Ram has a pay load of 2563#, plenty of room for all needed items, I try not to exceed 80% of any load capacity. Now that said, on the ranch a stock trailer is sized by how many head you load and the capacity is full by space not weight. By the way I have gone home from the stockyard with sales receipt telling me that the pounds of beef was impossible to haul in one load. :-( Maybe they had gas. ;-) SignatureBILL P. Just Dog & ME > I'm looking at buying a 3/4 ton diesel 2x4 to tow a fifth wheel camping > trailer. I'm new to the 3/4 ton family of trucks and especially the > diesels. Any insights would be appreciated. Chevrolet is the best. Dodge invented UGLY and Ford perfected it. And, of course, we all know that ugly trucks don't tow NEARLY as well as good-looking trucks. <VERY big grin> As Miles said, yours is a LOADED question. A Cummins diesel ahead of a GM Allison transmission under the hood of a Ford has been touted as the "ideal" truck. A diesel is best - except in a campground. (Clattering, smelly beast.) :) JR Signature2000 Skamper Ultra 249 TT 2002 Chevrolet Silverado 2500HD Vortec 8100 - Allison 1000 Like I replied, yup... sorry about that.... I had the same thoughts about the "best truck" but they don't make that one and I'm not about to spend that kind of money to make the best truck out of spare parts.... ;) It does confirm my thoughts...... Ford - best chassis Dodge - best engine Allison (note I'm not saying GM) - best auto tranny Jeff >> I'm looking at buying a 3/4 ton diesel 2x4 to tow a fifth wheel camping >> trailer. I'm new to the 3/4 ton family of trucks and especially the [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > :) > JR > Allison (note I'm not saying GM) Sorry, you just did. (Allison is a division of GM.) :) JR Signature2000 Skamper Ultra 249 TT 2002 Chevrolet Silverado 2500HD Vortec 8100 - Allison 1000 > Hi all, > > I'm looking at buying a 3/4 ton diesel 2x4 to tow a fifth wheel camping > trailer. I'm new to the 3/4 ton family of trucks and especially the > diesels. Any insights would be appreciated. Personally I eliminate the Dodge, only because their tranny isn't as good as the Ford or GM and the only tow engine is the Cummins. GM, well, their tranny is rock solid, but I don't like the cab or ride. Ford, well, I wish the V10 got better milage, but, well, it's a solid engine Signature-------------------------------------------------------- Personal e-mail is the n7bsn but at amsat.org This posting address is a spam-trap and seldom read RV and Camping FAQ can be found at http://www.ralphandellen.us/rv >>Hi all, >> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Ford, well, I wish the V10 got better milage, but, well, it's a solid > engine I understand you eliminate the Dodge and still say Cummins is the only tow engine. What vehicle are you going to get that engine in other than the Dodge? SignatureBILL P. 2004, 2500 SLT Quad Cab, Dodge Ram, SLT, SWB, 2WD, 5.9 HO Turbo Diesel, 48RE Auto Trans, Anti-Spin 3.73 Dif.Rhino Liner, Husky 16K. Voyager Controller 2005, 27RL Wildcat, DT/PC Wi-Fi. Dual EU2000i Hondas Just Me and Dog >>Hi all, >> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Ford, well, I wish the V10 got better milage, but, well, it's a solid > engine In defense of the Dodge, while the auto trans is the weak point there is always the manual if you don't mind rowing through the gears yourself. Son has had his Dodge for several yrs with a manual. He tows a 26' Nash RV and a 21'inboard jet boat, not at same time for you guys that wanted to comment on the dangers of towing 2 up. The trans has never been an issue and never a problem. A couple yrs back the engine coupled to the manual had more power than the auto. Mickey I drove one, have driven sticks before, and it didn't bother me a bit...... BUT, the wife has put down her foot and said that it has to be an auto just in case she had to drive it..... Oh well. Jeff >>>Hi all, >>> [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > Mickey > I drove one, have driven sticks before, and it didn't bother me a bit...... > BUT, the wife has put down her foot and said that it has to be an auto just > in case she had to drive it..... Oh well. I wouldn't let my wife's "requirement" get in my way, especially now based on four years of experience with my 2500HD Silverado (with AT). She has driven it ONCE since it was new (10/2001), and that was at my urging. The truck's SIZE intimidates her sufficiently that I doubt she would ever drive it intentionally. I believe that a manual transmission could not create additional intimidation for her. If we ever go camping for an extended period, she knows she'll have to drive it as I get my fill of "antiquing" MUCH sooner than does she. Then again, with an 8-ft covered box, perhaps I should NOT encourage her to take it, by herself, shopping for ANYTHING! :) JR > Hi all, > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Jeff Banta > jeff_banta@bellsouth.net I suppose I can tell it like it is, considering I'll only give you the weak points about what I have. I could say some good things too but that, I don't think is what you are really looking for. First off, I am a GM person, they have the smoothest ride but are less responsive to the steering due to that. I have a GMC 1500 with the 350 engine, 1994 year. Pulled a TT several miles @ 10mpg, flat land. When I decided to upgrade to a 2500, of course I checked out what GM had to offer. Duromax diesel, impressive billing but no established reputation. I knew how they take a load, kinda lazy non rigid feeling. The transmission has a good reputation by manufacture name, not necessarily the model installed in the GM vehicle. All of the diesels are much heavier than their counterparts. I would suggest four wheel drive, although I did not know it at the time I bought mine, you might need drive wheels under that engine. I get 19.4 mpg on the open road and a little less like around 17.5 in the city with the Cummins. My GMC 350 only gets 14/15mpg and it would not haul nearly what the Cummins will. The power that the Cummins develops is at a lower RPM and it is awesome to have that much torque so early in a power curve. But they do not have an exhaust break for the 48RE auto trans yet. Big drawback When you get in the mountains although you can get by with out one, it's just my rathers. For the steering on the Dodge with all that weight over the front tires is real responsive, if any thing is going to break loose in a turn, it won't be the front. SignatureBILL P. 2004, 2500 SLT Quad Cab, Dodge Ram, SLT, SWB, 2WD, 5.9 HO Turbo Diesel, 48RE Auto Trans, Anti-Spin 3.73 Dif.Rhino Liner, Husky 16K. Voyager Controller 2005, 27RL Wildcat, DT/PC Wi-Fi. Dual EU2000i Hondas Just Me and Dog > Hi all, > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Jeff Banta > jeff_banta@bellsouth.net I failed to comment on the tow mirrors. Make sure you get the big tow mirrors that fold out in to a West Coast mirror. Once you see them, no after market mirror is as good. SignatureBILL P. 2004, 2500 SLT Quad Cab, Dodge Ram, SLT, SWB, 2WD, 5.9 HO Turbo Diesel, 48RE Auto Trans, Anti-Spin 3.73 Dif.Rhino Liner, Husky 16K. Voyager Controller 2005, 27RL Wildcat, DT/PC Wi-Fi. Dual EU2000i Hondas Just Me and Dog Jeff Banta said "I'm looking at buying a 3/4 ton diesel 2x4 to tow a fifth wheel camping trailer. I'm new to the 3/4 ton family of trucks and especially the diesels. Any insights would be appreciated." Jeff as to which is "BEST" that gets to your personal taste. All I can say is that, for an off the show room floor, everyone that has driven my 2002 2500HD D/A has been impressed with its comfort and towing ease. We tow an old 86' 29R Prowler TT, an 01' 18' CornPro steel stock trailer(5,000lb empty), flatbed car trailer and during hay season use it in the fields hauling the wagons. Currently have 72,700 miles on the truck and it still handles like new. It has been in the shop only 2 times, initial 5,000 mile check up, at 58,000 had a transmission sensor replaced that controlled the auto locking/unlocking of the doors. Regardless of which one you go with I would suggest getting a 4x4 as the diesel engine places a lot more weight on the front as opposed to the normal gas engine, which can cause some interesting traction issues. Frank 2002 2500HD LS Ext cab D/A 1986 Prowler 29R TT 2001 CronPro 18' L, 7' H, 6' W steel stock trailer other misc trailers and equipment Hi. Couldn't help but notice your name, "Banta". Not a common name from my experience. My maiden name is Banta. Where are you from? I am originally from California, but now live in Nebraska. Brigitte > Hi all, > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Jeff Banta > jeff_banta@bellsouth.net Oops! Meant to send to Jeff's email. > Hi. > Couldn't help but notice your name, "Banta". Not a common name from my [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Jeff Banta > > jeff_banta@bellsouth.net >Hi all, > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >Jeff Banta >jeff_banta@bellsouth.net I have a 2003 Ford F250 4x4 extended cab with 8' bed, 6.0 Diesel, 5-speed auto, SRW and 3.73 axle. The truck performs so well it's barely noticeable when I'm towing or hauling. The transmission is crisp and the engine torque is great. My only regret so far is not getting the crew cab. I bought the truck for my wife and myself, but in practice I carry adults and grandchildren more than I thought I would, and they miss a bigger back seat. As far as criticism, the turning radius is too wide (since improved), the windshield defrosters are inadequate in sleet or heavy snow, and dog hair sticks to the cloth seats like you wouldn't believe. I'll get leather next time. >the windshield defrosters are inadequate in sleet or heavy snow, I learned long ago not to use the defroster in heavy snow. All that will do is heat up the glass causing the snow to stick to it. Use of outside air helps considerably, good winter blades and windshield fluid that won't freeze. >>the windshield defrosters are inadequate in sleet or heavy snow, > > I learned long ago not to use the defroster in heavy snow. All that will > do is heat up the glass causing the snow to stick to it. Use of outside > air helps considerably, good winter blades and windshield fluid that won't > freeze. On my vehicles the defroster heats the windshield glass and melts the snow, which *keeps* the snow from sticking to it. If the defroster on *your* vehicle does something different, then I'd recommend getting a different vehicle! SignatureD.J., N8DO; FMCA 147762 dj[underscore]osborn at yahoo dot com > On my vehicles the defroster heats the windshield glass and melts the snow, > which *keeps* the snow from sticking to it. If the defroster on *your* > vehicle does something different, then I'd recommend getting a different > vehicle! Depends on how wet the snow is thats falling and how hard its coming down. When very dry snow is falling at 2" or more per hour the hot windshield will cause it to stick. If snow hits a cold windshield it just bounces right off. >> On my vehicles the defroster heats the windshield glass and melts the >> snow, which *keeps* the snow from sticking to it. If the defroster on [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > will cause it to stick. If snow hits a cold windshield it just bounces > right off. If the defroster is blowing hot enough air--and mine always has--then the snow melts on the windshield. Regarding the "falling at 2" or more per hour" snow, my recommendation would be to park the vehicle. If the snow is falling that fast, then driving simply isn't advisable, even if the windshield is clear! SignatureD.J., N8DO; FMCA 147762 dj[underscore]osborn at yahoo dot com >>the windshield defrosters are inadequate in sleet or heavy snow, > >I learned long ago not to use the defroster in heavy snow. All that >will do is heat up the glass causing the snow to stick to it. Use of >outside air helps considerably, good winter blades and windshield fluid >that won't freeze. Good points. My wife once had a 97 Chrysler Town and Country mini-van. It had heating elements in the bottom of the windshield, and it worked like a charm for keeping the blades and windshield from freezing up. It couldn't add more than $100 to the cost of a vehicle, and I don't understand why it's not offered as an option on trucks which have windshields which are difficult to clean because of their height. "Jeff Banta" <jeffbanta@bellsouth.net> wrote in news:cDltf.1330$3I3.131 @bignews5.bellsouth.net: > Hi all, > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Jeff Banta > jeff_banta@bellsouth.net None of the above: do yourself a favor and get a late-model ['03.5 or newer] 4WD diesel dually from the manufacturer of your choice. The 4WD will enable you to use LOW RANGE when backing for infinitely greater control without lugging and overheating the drive train. The dual tires will provide both added weight-carrying capability AND improved stability. > "Jeff Banta" <jeffbanta@bellsouth.net> wrote in news:cDltf.1330$3I3.131 > @bignews5.bellsouth.net: [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > The dual tires will provide both added weight-carrying capability AND > improved stability. I always had problems with the rear of my dually being so much wider than the front. I guess when you get used to considering the front clearance would allow the rest to make it through. I also found that the extra two tires on the rear made for added gas mileage. The 4WD is a good idea though and I wish I had gotten one for yours and another reason and that is the added weight of the diesel engine. On a straight pull with nothing in the bed you do not have enough traction to push that heavy engine and pull much of any thing else. Not to fret though, I think all three of the top tow vehicles have a one ton with single tires in the rear. SignatureBILL P. Just Dog & ME >> "Jeff Banta" <jeffbanta@bellsouth.net> wrote in news:cDltf.1330$3I3.131 >> @bignews5.bellsouth.net: [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] >I always had problems with the rear of my dually being so much wider >than the front. Put on extended side-view mirrors. If you're going in a straight line and the mirrors go through, so will the back end. I guess when you get used to considering the front >clearance would allow the rest to make it through. I also found that the >extra two tires on the rear made for added gas mileage. The 4WD is a [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >think all three of the top tow vehicles have a one ton with single tires >in the rear. I will be in the market for a new truck this year, and I'm still undecided as to whether or not it should have DRW. I like the fact that it improves stability when towing and offers a bit more hauling capacity, but some of the downsides are: - Can't go through the local car wash. - Can't get roadside tire service from AAA and others. - Reportedly less traction in rain or snow when unloaded. - Additional initial and maintenance costs. - Worse MPG - Won't fit in my garage. - ??? Has anyone with a dually decided the pro's don't outweigh the con's and gone back to single rear wheels? Just wondering. >>> "Jeff Banta" <jeffbanta@bellsouth.net> wrote in news:cDltf.1330$3I3.131 >>> @bignews5.bellsouth.net: [quoted text clipped - 41 lines] > > - Can't go through the local car wash. You got that one right, but it is one of the very few downsides as far as I am concerned. > - Can't get roadside tire service from AAA and others. I don't know about AAA, but it is available from others. I use Good Sam Emergency Roadside Assistance, it covers my 5th wheel and all other vehicles I own. > - Reportedly less traction in rain or snow when unloaded. Everything has less traction in rain or snow when unloaded. > - Additional initial and maintenance costs. Haven't checked the difference in cost of 1 ton SRW and DRW, but the only additional maintenance would be replacing two additional tires. From what I hear from those with SRW and DRW, tires appear to last longer on DRW, so the extra tires may not be an issue. > - Worse MPG A good trade for increased load capacity and stability. > - Won't fit in my garage. Real trucks won't fit in a regular garage anyway. > - ??? > > Has anyone with a dually decided the pro's don't outweigh the con's > and gone back to single rear wheels? Just wondering. Ron who got his 2nd dually yesterday '06 Chevy 3500 LT Crew Cab Long Bed 4x4 Duramax 6.6L HO with Allison 6 Speed Automatic Transmission >>>> "Jeff Banta" <jeffbanta@bellsouth.net> wrote in news:cDltf.1330$3I3.131 >>>> @bignews5.bellsouth.net: [quoted text clipped - 54 lines] > >Everything has less traction in rain or snow when unloaded. Sure, but all things being equal, the DRW will tend to slip more than the SRW. (Or so I've read) The reason offered is that the psi on the DRW setup is approximately half that of the SRW - thus, less traction. Do you agree? PSI don't make any difference in the traction in the snow. About the only thing that I could think of that would in this case is that each tire now carries only 1/4 the rear load instead of 1/2, so the tires tend to float on top of the snow instead of being pushed down to the payment. I have noticed that the rear end tends to slip about like and old F100, so I just drop it into 4X4 and have no problems. BTW I get 17 mpg out of my 2000 Dodge 1 Ton Duelly 4X4, so I'm not complaining about milage. LMB >>>>> "Jeff Banta" <jeffbanta@bellsouth.net> wrote in >>>>> news:cDltf.1330$3I3.131 [quoted text clipped - 69 lines] > Newsgroups > ---= East/West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =--- > PSI don't make any difference in the traction in the snow. About the only > thing that I could think of that would in this case is that each tire now [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > LMB Actually, it's a function of the area of the tire that's in contact with the "ground" [snow, ice, mud, sand, etc.]: for the same size/type/tread tire a "doolie" has double the contact area of a SRW which results [for the same weight on the axle] in only *half* of the pressure exerted upon the "ground" thus providing only *half* of the traction experienced by that SRW. The pressure exerted upon the "ground" is measured in PSI so, therefore, PSI *is* involved. <G> Were you thinking "tire pressure" instead of "contact"? <VBG> >>PSI don't make any difference in the traction in the snow. About the only >>thing that I could think of that would in this case is that each tire now [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > Were you thinking "tire pressure" instead of "contact"? <VBG> When you state PSI in common conversation it is taken as air pressure in the tire. Unless you state the footprint PSI it will be confused with the air pressure. SignatureBill P. just Dog & ME At this time in life all that remains is left overs, some can be cherished as good others bad, but the only definite is that they are all that remains, main course is over. > PSI don't make any difference in the traction in the snow. I disagree, many times I have let air out of tires to gain a larger footprint thus gaining traction. SignatureBill P. just Dog & ME At this time in life all that remains is left overs, some can be cherished as good others bad, but the only definite is that they are all that remains, main course is over. lanman <xlanmanx@aol.com> wrote in news:inunr15so94e042elk5kjt2gvlp54ao3e9@ 4ax.com: > I will be in the market for a new truck this year, and I'm still > undecided as to whether or not it should have DRW. I like the fact > that it improves stability when towing and offers a bit more hauling > capacity, but some of the downsides are: > > - Can't go through the local car wash. I would only take a deadly enemy's vehicle through a car wash! <G> If you want a *truck* washed, take it to a *truck wash*! > - Can't get roadside tire service from AAA and others. BALDERDASH! AAA's changed them for me! > - Reportedly less traction in rain or snow when unloaded. Another good reason for 4WD! > - Additional initial and maintenance costs. 2 more tires in a set... > - Worse MPG NOT! > - Won't fit in my garage. Garages are for tools and motorcycles... <G> >lanman <xlanmanx@aol.com> wrote in news:inunr15so94e042elk5kjt2gvlp54ao3e9@ >4ax.com: [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > >If you want a *truck* washed, take it to a *truck wash*! OK, but I've have a long drive to get to the nearest one. >> - Can't get roadside tire service from AAA and others. > >BALDERDASH! > >AAA's changed them for me! Even an inside wheel? I've heard they wouldn't - but that's good to know. >> - Reportedly less traction in rain or snow when unloaded. > >Another good reason for 4WD! Agree, I'll always have 4WD on a truck. >> - Additional initial and maintenance costs. > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > >Garages are for tools and motorcycles... <G> LOL. Plus, I can still pull the nose of the truck in the garage if I need to. |
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