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bashfulnv1 - 13 Jan 2006 02:16 GMT I am new to this site. I have been seriously considering selling my condo and paying cash for a Motorhome. My question is , can I home school my daughter? She is 13. I am done raising all 6 of my children. LOL . My kids live across the country. I plan on spending time with them. I am trying to research all the options what kind of RV etc.. Any pointers would be appreciated
Tom J - 13 Jan 2006 02:26 GMT >I am new to this site. I have been seriously considering selling my > condo and paying cash for a Motorhome. My question is , can I home > school my daughter? She is 13. I am done raising all 6 of my > children. Done? You still have the 13 year old to finish with yet! There is no legal reson that you can't home school, and if you keep the wheels turning on the motorhome she'll get a great education in North American history!
> LOL . My kids live across the country. I plan on spending time with > them. Have you discussed this with the kids? When we were talking about going full time and approached the kids about spending 2 months here and 2 months there and 2 months yonder, they all turned a death ear. So we still have the bricks & sticks and venture out every year somewhere for a few months.
Good luck as you venture out of the urban wilderness!
Tom J
bashfulnv1 - 13 Jan 2006 23:17 GMT Thats what I am thinking. Took my girls to the RV sales place. She would not get out of my truck lol The salesman told her she should have some input as to what I chose.. It was hilarious, I could not get her out of the damn things. She was jumping around picking out which bed would be hers.lol I brought two of my daughters 13,14 yrs old. They were discussing who would copilot etc.. And where we would go fishing first.. My 14yr old is in an honors program here in Las Vegas and wants to transfer to Texas (with dad). I want to be mobile so I can see all my kids. Looks like she may stay mobile with us .. I need to find a HOW TO for RV ing.. An RV class lol
William Boyd - 14 Jan 2006 00:32 GMT > Thats what I am thinking. Took my girls to the RV sales place. She > would not get out of my truck lol The salesman told her she should have [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Looks like she may stay mobile with us .. I need to find a HOW TO for > RV ing.. An RV class lol You might have a good combination here, good luck. My experience with it was in reverse. Home schooling until high school then they started public school. I think they could have been better off if it went the way you are going.
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bashfulnv1 - 15 Jan 2006 02:29 GMT I see someone thinks I am a man LOL NO WAY!! I am a FEMALE raising my kids myself. I don't think closed quarters would be a problem,unless it is snowing my girls will be out on adventures. One is into history and the youngest is into anything that has to do with nature ...I was thinkin one year fishing trip. Let them plan it out...I just need to get the house in order to sell. And get things in order..
Tom J - 15 Jan 2006 02:47 GMT >I see someone thinks I am a man LOL NO WAY!! I am a FEMALE raising my > kids myself. I don't think closed quarters would be a problem,unless [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > thinkin one year fishing trip. Let them plan it out...I just need to > get the house in order to sell. And get things in order.. I didn't mis-understand your 1st post, but I do this one. In the original post you said you were "done raising all 6 of my children", and I assumed that was in addition to the 13 year old that is still in school. Now you are saying "my girls will be out on adventures". So which is it, 1 13 year old and you visiting the rest as you 1st stated, or a motorhome full taking off together? You aren't just stringing us a line are you?
Tom J
bashfulnv1 - 15 Jan 2006 05:44 GMT My apologies. No I am not stringing a line. I was planning to go with my 13 yr old. The 14 yr old came along to look at the RV's. And has shown interest in traveling. I can only hope. One of the post stated that it would be hard for a teenage girl to have privacy in a motorhome with a man around. lol I am going solo, so that should not be an issue.. I am going to look at more RV's tomorrow,different dealership..
Will Sill - 15 Jan 2006 12:24 GMT I see where "bashfulnv1" <initforlove1@aol.com> contributed:
>I see someone thinks I am a man LOL NO WAY!! I am a FEMALE raising my >kids myself. I don't think closed quarters would be a problem,unless it >is snowing my girls will be out on adventures. One is into history and >the youngest is into anything that has to do with nature ...I was >thinkin one year fishing trip. Let them plan it out...I just need to >get the house in order to sell. And get things in order.. You "need help" for sure. If you're easily offended, deete this reply NOW. Because I do not sugar coat my advice.
Before buying ANYTHING spend the few bucks needed to buy into the RV Consumers Group - (www.rv.org) ratings, buying advice, etc. It will cost less than a tank of fuel and save you lots of trouble. IF you take trhe trouble to read the stuff and get educated.
FORGET allowing a 13-yr-old pick a floor plan, or allowing an rv salesman tell you what to buy! The former knows NOTHING yet about what's OK, and the latter specializes in the Four F's: Fabrics, Floor Plan, Features and Financing. Normally, he/she knows diddly squat about safety, load capacity, and handling issues.
Have an attack of common sense and wangle a short trip WITH someone else - you may find you don't like it, or the kid (how many you _really_ plan on is pretty vague!) will have an epiphany and discover she is far too sophisticated to be a gypsy.
Unless you have $$$$$$ to burn, buy used. There is no way you will know what you like until you're tried one for a while, and the best way to lose your nest egg is buying a new RV that you hate.
[As a matter of curiosity, do you have any concept of what it costs to buy, license, insure, supply and maintain a motorhome? Or to fix it when (not if) something breaks? Do you know about machinery, or is that beneath your dignity?]
Here is some more stuff to read, from my old boilerplate file: ====================== Yrs trly is quoted widely on the web as the author of a very pro-RV essay _WHY RV?_ which spelled out many of the reasons we and others strongly prefer rv travel. We like it so much we've done it for 45+ years, and still like it even though we no longer travel as much as we once did.
BUT we see a lot of messages here from starry-eyed dreamers who seem oblivious to the many potential barriers to enjoying the rv travel life. So in the interest of far and balanced commentary and at the known risk of once again attracting flames from the usual morons, idjits, fools and bozos, I offer some free thoughts to cause you to DO YOUR HOMEWORK before buying an rv. In no particular order:
STORAGE? Where in Hell (Michigan or elsewhere) are you going to store the dang thing when not in use? We personally have a fine storage shed on our remote country property. Do you? Does your Zoning Czar approve? Storing out in the weather is Not Good, though many do it anyway and suffer from sun fade, humidity, s**w, tree sap, and of course vandalism. Storage lots involve $$$, time, and serious inconvenience - not to mention security questions.
COSTS? You must think you can afford to _buy_ an RV or you wouldn't be reading this. You've probably already priced them. But can you afford the insurance, licenses, fuel (!), taxes, maintenance & repair? Have you priced the tires? Do you realize how few places do RV service - and how long it takes to get an appointment and how much THEY charge? And about those CG fees. Your grand daddy might have paid $1-$5 for a site, but times have changed. Even if you buy (for more $$$) a membership deal, typical CG fees today rival (and occasionally exceed) the cost of motel rooms. And the freebee overnights? Well, see below.
TALENT? Do you have the driving skills? Most do, some don't and may live to be 80 without learning. More important, if you know nearly nothing about plumbing, wiring, and mechanic stuff, you may find yourself not only perpetually bewildered and inconvenienced, but at the mercy of tow trucks, "rv technicians" and their cash registers.
TIME? How much time does it take to maintain a house? It takes nearly that much to maintain an RV. You can always throw money at it, but _somebody_ is going to clean, shine, repair, fix, clean, adjust, winterize, check, repair, clean, change the oil, unwinterize, inspect and otherwise keep the ship afloat. And speaking of time - how much of the time will you use it? If it is 2 weeks a year, maybe you should consider seeing a shrink.
WHERE TO STAY? First, you can FORGET the idyllic scenes from the rv ads showing you camped in luxury on a manicured beach-front paradise sucking on a cold brew. Those places exist, of course, but so do lottery winners. In the Real World, the vast majority of the really nice spots are expensive/exclusive "resort" facilities for which you and your $$$ must qualify, or else are simply off limits to you and your rv. Many more sites are small, close together, distant from the water, and may or may not have the facilities you & yours wish to enjoy. Freebees (or nearly so) exist in some areas, and a few are nice indeed but typically have NO services or hookups. The Wal*Mart parking lot is popular as an overnight but is increasingly verboten because of abuse by the greedy and/or nitwit local regulations. Truck stops & rest areas can be used on a spotty basis if that is your idea of traveling enjoyment, but are increasingly unsatisfactory with most of us.
WHAT TO VISIT? As the nation's bureaucrats try to show evidence of their intense interest in "security" and "preservation of wilderness areas", your ability to drive to and around major attractions is being increasingly restricted. Don't ask me to explain why an rv fits the profile of a terrorist threat and a sedan doesn't, so you'll have to figure that for yourself. But that issue aside, there are plenty of nice places to visit that don't allow big rigs. And though enforcement is so far virtually non-existent, there are plenty of roads that are legally off limits to anything over 96" wide. (Tried to buy a MH under 102" lately?)
MAYBE SHE (OR HE) WON'T LIKE IT! Really. There are folks who Just Don't Get It. If you are married (legally or otherwise) to one of those people - and value the relationship - you do NOT belong in an rv. Maybe YOU think the objections are absurd, but if momma ain't happy, ain't nobody happy. What are the objections? Well, they range from "I yam _not_ cooking, making beds, and doing laundry on vacation" to "Oh dear wot if we break down?" and "Don't they have snakes and spiders Out There?".
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If all this sounds terribly negative and discouraging, sorry. For many of us, the huge benefits (and our circumstances) more than outweigh the negatives. But if you expect to enjoy rv travel, you need to think about these issues and how they might get in the way of your enjoyment.
Will ---- the Curmudgeon of Sill Hill Before flaming, pause. I post to help rv'ers and annoy the snot out of morons, idjits, fools and bozos - - and to irk their ilk. Often, I do both at once.
Will Sill The Curmudgeon of Sill Hill
GBinNC - 15 Jan 2006 12:59 GMT >I see where "bashfulnv1" <initforlove1@aol.com> contributed: >>I see someone thinks I am a man LOL NO WAY!! I am a FEMALE raising my [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >>thinkin one year fishing trip. Let them plan it out...I just need to >>get the house in order to sell. And get things in order..
>You "need help" for sure. If you're easily offended, delete this reply >NOW. Because I do not sugar coat my advice.
><snip> For once I agree completely with Will's sentiment, if not his exact words.
You REALLY need to slow down and do your research. Judging from the tone of your previous posts, you are just the kind of customer RV salespeople love. You don't have the slightest idea what you want except what you see and like (and what a kid likes).
You are about to make a very serious and costly mistake. There are some really bad RVs out there (new and used), and you CANNOT tell which ones they are just by looking at the insides.
Please do yourself a favor and follow the advice of Will and others who have told you to get some help before making a purchase. Nothing is sadder than to see somebody sink a huge amount of money into something that for whatever reason doesn't work out.
DO NOT buy a new RV of any kind the first time around. And DO NOT buy a used RV of any kind without knowing what you're getting into.
GB in NC
bashfulnv1 - 15 Jan 2006 19:50 GMT Thank you for the info. Yes I am capable of repairs , from electrical to plumbing.. I am an engineer at JW Marriott. And owned my own watersoftener business.I have thought long and hard about making this move. I have traveled in RV's. I was sent here to get advice, and I am getting it. I plan on living in the RV. My sons have property. They set up a spot for mom ,LOL so I have a place to park at either one.Figured that would be good for downtime ,working on the RV getting it winterized etc. I will be working on the road. I am getting that project together. Finacially I am ready, but understand that means nothing when a disaster hits...The new RV's I was looking at were to give the kids an idea of what they look like. They have been on the road in an old winnebego with grandpa. It was more an old van with facilities.lol I was trying to subdo the panic. I would like both my girls to join me. But I have to let them decide where they want to live. They are of legal age to decide. Court order so I can't say anything. Once they turn 14 they can go live with dad if they choose .. I figured the Rv for me would be better than trying to relocate to Texas. I can be there if they need me. But still do what I need to do. I have one yr left with the youngest, if she decides to go too, so I want to spend it with her enjoying life , doing what we love to do.OK enough didnt want to go there but figured I should explain myself..more clearly. I won't jump into anything without getting it test driven and checked out ..Thinking of going smaller, they seem more sound in structure.And of course will get your advice too
GBinNC - 13 Jan 2006 04:07 GMT >I am trying to research all the options what kind of RV etc.. Any >pointers would be appreciated Aside from the home schooling issue, take your time and do your research before buying any RV. If you've never owned one before, you have a tremendous amount to learn so you won't make a very expensive mistake. There's a heck of a lot more to it than just getting in and driving from point A to point B. It's not at all like living in a condo.
Ask lots of questions, here and elsewhere -- but not from RV saleslizards. Most of them will lie through their teeth to sell you whatever you think you want, without regard to whether it may be right for you.
GB in NC
joehoechst@cs.com - 13 Jan 2006 15:30 GMT What does your 13 year old think? I can't imagine she would go for it. You will take her from probably the most important thing to a teenager, her social life and friends.
Joe
HD in NY - 13 Jan 2006 16:50 GMT > What does your 13 year old think? I can't imagine she would go for it. > You will take her from probably the most important thing to a teenager, > her social life and friends. > > Joe I think you've hit on a real problem area. Our son was really upset when we moved in '72 from one town to another. He hated to leave his friends who he'd attended school with from Kindergarten to the fourth grade. Then we moved from that town to Detroit and he really flipped.
We have close friends who's oldest kid moved often because of his job and their kids have all turned out screwed up. Not to say it is common but kids who have made close friends because they have been rooted in one place, may not accept constantly moving home bases. Hugh
William Boyd - 13 Jan 2006 16:53 GMT > What does your 13 year old think? I can't imagine she would go for it. > You will take her from probably the most important thing to a teenager, > her social life and friends. > > Joe I agree, home schooling fails to teach one of the most important things of life. How to interact with other people. This is the hardest, the most difficult subject in life and it take a full time class to accomplish it. I have seen where parents have thought a two hour session in Sunday school would provide this, disaster!
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JerryD(upstateNY) - 13 Jan 2006 17:15 GMT >What does your 13 year old think? I can't imagine she would go for it.< >You will take her from probably the most important thing to a teenager,< >her social life and friends.< I agree. It would be much better to wait 4-5 years until she was out of school, before you go full time.
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Janet Wilder - 14 Jan 2006 20:42 GMT > >What does your 13 year old think? I can't imagine she would go for it.< > >You will take her from probably the most important thing to a teenager,< [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > It would be much better to wait 4-5 years until she was out of school, > before you go full time. Some of the nicest, most polite and socialized youngsters we met during our 9 years of fulltiming were the home-educated children of fulltimers. Because they have to keep to a schedule and get their educational tasks complete, they are very responsible and remarkably self-disciplined for their ages. They also get to interact with adults a lot and they develop social skills and manners.
There is an Escapee Birds of a Feather group of folks who travel with children and many fulltimers participate in it. Go to www.escapees.com and look for the BoF groups.
Many of these fulltiming families belong to membership campgrounds where people come with their children on weekends and holidays. The kids get to interact with other kids while participating in the cambground recreation programs.
Don't let the nay-sayers talk you out of it until you do some more research. I can't think of a better way for a child to learn history and geography than to be at the actual places he/she is learning about.
J
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JerryD(upstateNY) - 15 Jan 2006 00:22 GMT >Some of the nicest, most polite and socialized youngsters we met during< >our 9 years of fulltiming were the home-educated children of fulltimers.< >Because they have to keep to a schedule and get their educational tasks< >complete, they are very responsible and remarkably self-disciplined for< >their ages. They also get to interact with adults a lot and they develop< >social skills and manners.< I think the age of the child has a lot to do with how well they adapt to RV life. The older the child is, the harder for them to adapt.
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Hunter - 15 Jan 2006 00:44 GMT On Sun, 15 Jan 2006 00:22:06 GMT, "JerryD\(upstateNY\)" <jerry@righthere.com> wrote:
>I think the age of the child has a lot to do with how well they adapt to RV life. >The older the child is, the harder for them to adapt. I think being in close quarters with a teenage girl is my idea of hell.
Also, from a girl's view... girls like their privacy at that age, and I don't see how she could get any privacy living with an adult male.
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John Wesley - 15 Jan 2006 02:46 GMT > Also, from a girl's view... girls like their privacy at that age, and > I don't see how she could get any privacy living with an adult male. shes a woman
> Hunter > -- [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well-preserved body, > but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting "...holy sh.t...what a ride!" Hunter - 15 Jan 2006 03:11 GMT >> Also, from a girl's view... girls like their privacy at that age, and >> I don't see how she could get any privacy living with an adult male. I realize that now. She didn't give us much to go on.
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Jim Redelfs - 15 Jan 2006 18:00 GMT > I think being in close quarters with a teenage girl is my idea of > hell. > > Also, from a girl's view... girls like their privacy at that age I helped raise three girls. You are right.
> I don't see how she could get any privacy living with an adult male. Not really possible when fulltime RVing, methinks.
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Bob Hatch - 13 Jan 2006 17:54 GMT > I am new to this site. I have been seriously considering selling my > condo and paying cash for a Motorhome. My question is , can I home > school my daughter? She is 13. I am done raising all 6 of my children. > LOL . My kids live across the country. I plan on spending time with > them. I am trying to research all the options what kind of RV etc.. > Any pointers would be appreciated While we were in Bethel, ME, we met a couple with 2 early teen kids, that were on a year or more long trip around the US. They were home schooling the kids, and the kids seemed to be having a ball. I got the chance to talk to the kids about the travels, school and friends, and they seemed OK with what was happening. Their outlook on life, people, the country were all above average for their age.
Dad had put a DataStorm on the roof and they did a lot of homework via internet. The kids also communicated with friends via the DataStorm.
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freddy - 13 Jan 2006 19:47 GMT >I am new to this site. I have been seriously considering selling my >condo and paying cash for a Motorhome. My question is , can I home >school my daughter? She is 13. I am done raising all 6 of my children. >LOL . My kids live across the country. I plan on spending time with >them. I am trying to research all the options what kind of RV etc.. Any >pointers would be appreciated That life can be great for some kids, especially the gregarious. Only you know what she is like.
Where she will be visiting with her siblings on an ongoing basis, she should be able to stay busy. The only caution I would have is with her age . . . 13 is about the time girls can get emotionally difficult (I stopped myself from using the word "unstable"). It may help to let her be an integral part of the planning.
Give it a go.
Will you be retired or still need to work?
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