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bashfulnv1 - 13 Jan 2006 02:16 GMT
I am new to this site. I have been seriously considering selling my
condo and paying cash for a Motorhome. My question is , can I home
school my daughter? She is 13. I am done raising all 6 of my children.
LOL . My kids live across the country. I plan on spending time with
them. I am trying to research all the options what kind of RV etc.. Any
pointers would be appreciated
Tom  J - 13 Jan 2006 02:26 GMT
>I am new to this site. I have been seriously considering selling my
> condo and paying cash for a Motorhome. My question is , can I home
> school my daughter? She is 13. I am done raising all 6 of my
> children.
Done? You still have the 13 year old to finish with yet! There is no
legal reson that you can't home school, and if you keep the wheels
turning on the motorhome she'll get a great education in North
American history!

> LOL . My kids live across the country. I plan on spending time with
> them.

Have you discussed this with the kids? When we were talking about
going full time and approached the kids about spending 2 months here
and 2 months there and 2 months yonder, they all turned a death ear.
So we still have the bricks & sticks and venture out every year
somewhere for a few months.

Good luck as you venture out of the urban wilderness!

Tom J
bashfulnv1 - 13 Jan 2006 23:17 GMT
Thats what I am thinking. Took my girls to the RV sales place. She
would not get out of my truck lol The salesman told her she should have
some input as to what I chose.. It was hilarious, I could not get her
out of the damn things. She was jumping around picking out which bed
would be hers.lol I brought two of my daughters 13,14 yrs old. They
were discussing who would copilot etc.. And where we would go fishing
first..
My 14yr old is in an honors program here in Las Vegas and wants to
transfer to Texas (with dad). I want to be mobile so I can see all my
kids.
Looks like she may stay mobile with us .. I need to find a HOW TO  for
RV ing.. An RV class lol
William Boyd - 14 Jan 2006 00:32 GMT
> Thats what I am thinking. Took my girls to the RV sales place. She
> would not get out of my truck lol The salesman told her she should have
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> Looks like she may stay mobile with us .. I need to find a HOW TO  for
> RV ing.. An RV class lol

You might have a good combination here, good luck. My experience with it
was in reverse. Home schooling until high school then they started
public school. I think they could have been better off if it went the
way you are going.

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bashfulnv1 - 15 Jan 2006 02:29 GMT
I see someone thinks I am a man LOL NO WAY!! I am a FEMALE raising my
kids myself. I don't think closed quarters would be a problem,unless it
is snowing my girls will be out on adventures. One is into history and
the youngest is into anything that has to do with  nature ...I was
thinkin one year fishing trip. Let them plan it out...I just need to
get the house in order to sell. And get things in order..
Tom  J - 15 Jan 2006 02:47 GMT
>I see someone thinks I am a man LOL NO WAY!! I am a FEMALE raising my
> kids myself. I don't think closed quarters would be a problem,unless
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> thinkin one year fishing trip. Let them plan it out...I just need to
> get the house in order to sell. And get things in order..

I didn't mis-understand your 1st post, but I do this one. In the
original post you said you were "done raising all 6 of my children",
and I assumed that was in addition to the 13 year old that is still in
school. Now you are saying "my girls will be out on adventures". So
which is it, 1 13 year old and you visiting the rest as you 1st
stated, or a motorhome full taking off together? You aren't just
stringing us a line are you?

Tom J
bashfulnv1 - 15 Jan 2006 05:44 GMT
My apologies. No I am not stringing a line. I was planning to go with
my 13 yr old. The 14 yr old came along to look at the RV's. And has
shown interest in traveling. I can only hope.
One of the post stated that it would be hard for a teenage girl to have
privacy in a motorhome with a man around. lol I am going solo, so that
should not be an issue..
I am going to look at more RV's tomorrow,different dealership..
Will Sill - 15 Jan 2006 12:24 GMT
I see where "bashfulnv1" <initforlove1@aol.com> contributed:
>I see someone thinks I am a man LOL NO WAY!! I am a FEMALE raising my
>kids myself. I don't think closed quarters would be a problem,unless it
>is snowing my girls will be out on adventures. One is into history and
>the youngest is into anything that has to do with  nature ...I was
>thinkin one year fishing trip. Let them plan it out...I just need to
>get the house in order to sell. And get things in order..

You "need help" for sure.  If you're easily offended, deete this reply
NOW.   Because I do not sugar coat my advice.

Before buying ANYTHING spend the few bucks needed to buy into the RV
Consumers Group - (www.rv.org) ratings, buying advice, etc.  It will
cost less than a tank of fuel and save you lots of trouble.  IF you
take trhe trouble to read the stuff and get educated.

FORGET allowing a 13-yr-old pick a floor plan, or allowing an rv
salesman tell you what to buy!  The former knows NOTHING yet about
what's OK, and the latter specializes in the Four F's: Fabrics, Floor
Plan, Features and Financing.  Normally, he/she knows diddly squat
about safety, load capacity, and handling issues.

Have an attack of common sense and wangle a short trip WITH someone
else - you may find you don't like it, or the kid (how many you
_really_ plan on is pretty vague!) will have an epiphany and discover
she is far too sophisticated to be a gypsy.  

Unless you have $$$$$$ to burn, buy used.  There is no way you will
know what you like until you're tried one for a while, and the best
way to lose your nest egg is buying a new RV that you hate.

[As a matter of curiosity, do you have any concept of what it costs to
buy, license, insure, supply and maintain a motorhome?  Or to fix it
when (not if) something breaks?   Do you know about machinery, or is
that beneath your dignity?]

Here is some more stuff to read, from my old boilerplate file:
======================
Yrs trly is quoted widely on the web as the author of a very pro-RV
essay _WHY RV?_ which spelled out many of the reasons we and others
strongly prefer rv travel.  We like it so much we've done it for 45+
years, and still like it even though we no longer travel as much as we
once did.

BUT we see a lot of messages here from starry-eyed dreamers who seem
oblivious to the many potential barriers to enjoying the rv travel
life. So in the interest of far and balanced commentary and at the
known risk of once again attracting flames from the usual morons,
idjits, fools and bozos, I offer some free thoughts to cause you to DO
YOUR HOMEWORK before buying an rv.  In no particular order:

STORAGE?  Where in Hell (Michigan or elsewhere) are you going to store
the dang thing when not in use?   We personally have a fine storage
shed on our remote country property. Do you? Does your Zoning Czar
approve?  Storing out in the weather is Not Good, though many do it
anyway and suffer from sun fade, humidity, s**w, tree sap, and of
course vandalism.  Storage lots involve $$$, time, and serious
inconvenience - not to mention security questions.

COSTS? You must think you can afford to _buy_ an RV or you wouldn't be
reading this.  You've probably already priced them.  But can you
afford the insurance, licenses, fuel (!), taxes, maintenance & repair?
Have you priced the tires?  Do you realize how few places do RV
service - and how long it takes to get an appointment and how much
THEY charge? And about those CG fees.  Your grand daddy might have
paid $1-$5 for a site, but times have changed. Even if you buy (for
more $$$) a membership deal, typical CG fees today rival (and
occasionally exceed) the cost of motel rooms. And the freebee
overnights?  Well, see below.

TALENT?  Do you have the driving skills?  Most do, some don't and may
live to be 80 without learning.  More important, if you know nearly
nothing about plumbing, wiring, and mechanic stuff, you may find
yourself not only perpetually bewildered and inconvenienced, but at
the mercy of tow trucks, "rv technicians" and their cash registers.

TIME?  How much time does it take to maintain a house? It takes nearly
that much to maintain an RV.  You can always throw money at it, but
_somebody_ is going to clean, shine, repair, fix, clean, adjust,
winterize, check, repair, clean, change the oil, unwinterize, inspect
and otherwise keep the ship afloat.  And speaking of time - how much
of the time will you use it? If it is 2 weeks a year, maybe you should
consider seeing a shrink.

WHERE TO STAY?  First, you can FORGET the idyllic scenes from the rv
ads showing you camped in luxury on a manicured beach-front paradise
sucking on a cold brew. Those places exist, of course, but so do
lottery winners.  In the Real World, the vast majority of the really
nice spots are expensive/exclusive "resort" facilities for which you
and your $$$ must qualify, or else are simply off limits to you and
your rv.  Many more sites are small, close together, distant from the
water, and may or may not have the facilities you & yours wish to
enjoy.  Freebees (or nearly so) exist in some areas, and a few are
nice indeed but typically have NO services or hookups.  The Wal*Mart
parking lot is popular as an overnight but is increasingly verboten
because of abuse by the greedy and/or nitwit local regulations. Truck
stops & rest areas can be used on a spotty basis if that is your idea
of traveling enjoyment, but are increasingly unsatisfactory with most
of us.

WHAT TO VISIT?  As the nation's bureaucrats try to show evidence of
their intense interest in "security" and "preservation of wilderness
areas", your ability to drive to and around major attractions is being
increasingly restricted.  Don't ask me to explain why an rv fits the
profile of a terrorist threat and a sedan doesn't, so you'll have to
figure that for yourself.  But that issue aside, there are plenty of
nice places to visit that don't allow big rigs.  And though
enforcement is so far virtually non-existent, there are plenty of
roads that are legally off limits to anything over 96" wide.  (Tried
to buy a MH under 102" lately?)

MAYBE SHE (OR HE) WON'T LIKE IT!  Really.  There are folks who Just
Don't Get It.  If you are married (legally or otherwise) to one of
those people - and value the relationship - you do NOT belong in an
rv.  Maybe YOU think the objections are absurd, but if momma ain't
happy, ain't nobody happy. What are the objections?  Well, they range
from "I yam _not_ cooking, making beds, and doing laundry on vacation"
to "Oh dear wot if we break down?" and "Don't they have snakes and
spiders Out There?".  

============

If all this sounds terribly negative and discouraging, sorry.  For
many of us, the huge benefits (and our circumstances) more than
outweigh the negatives.  But if you expect to enjoy rv travel, you
need to think about these issues and how they might get in the way of
your enjoyment.

Will ---- the Curmudgeon of Sill Hill
Before flaming, pause.  I post to help rv'ers and annoy the snot
out of morons, idjits, fools and bozos - - and to irk their ilk.
Often, I do both at once.

 

Will Sill
The Curmudgeon of Sill Hill
GBinNC - 15 Jan 2006 12:59 GMT
>I see where "bashfulnv1" <initforlove1@aol.com> contributed:
>>I see someone thinks I am a man LOL NO WAY!! I am a FEMALE raising my
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>>thinkin one year fishing trip. Let them plan it out...I just need to
>>get the house in order to sell. And get things in order..

>You "need help" for sure.  If you're easily offended, delete this reply
>NOW.   Because I do not sugar coat my advice.

><snip>

For once I agree completely with Will's sentiment, if not his exact
words.

You REALLY need to slow down and do your research. Judging from the tone
of your previous posts, you are just the kind of customer RV salespeople
love. You don't have the slightest idea what you want except what you
see and like (and what a kid likes).

You are about to make a very serious and costly mistake. There are some
really bad RVs out there (new and used), and you CANNOT tell which ones
they are just by looking at the insides.

Please do yourself a favor and follow the advice of Will and others who
have told you to get some help before making a purchase. Nothing is
sadder than to see somebody sink a huge amount of money into something
that for whatever reason doesn't work out.

DO NOT buy a new RV of any kind the first time around. And DO NOT buy a
used RV of any kind without knowing what you're getting into.

GB in NC
bashfulnv1 - 15 Jan 2006 19:50 GMT
Thank you for the info. Yes I am capable of repairs , from electrical
to plumbing.. I am an engineer at JW Marriott. And owned my own
watersoftener business.I have thought long and hard about making this
move. I have traveled in RV's. I was sent here to get advice, and I am
getting it. I plan on living in the RV. My sons have property. They set
up a spot for mom ,LOL so I have a place to park at either one.Figured
that would be good for downtime ,working on the RV getting it
winterized etc. I will be working on the road. I am getting that
project together. Finacially I am ready, but understand that means
nothing when a disaster hits...The new RV's I was looking at were to
give the kids an idea of what they look like. They have been on the
road in an old winnebego with grandpa. It was more an old van with
facilities.lol I was trying to subdo the panic. I would like both my
girls to join me. But I have to let them decide where they want to
live. They are of legal age to decide. Court order so I can't say
anything. Once they turn 14 they can go live with dad if they choose ..
I figured the Rv for me would be better than trying to relocate to
Texas. I can be there if they need me. But still do what I need to do.
I have one yr left with the youngest, if she decides to go too, so I
want to spend it with her enjoying life , doing what we love to do.OK
enough didnt want to go there but figured I should explain myself..more
clearly. I won't jump into anything without getting it test driven and
checked out ..Thinking of going smaller, they seem more sound in
structure.And of course will get your advice too
GBinNC - 13 Jan 2006 04:07 GMT
>I am trying to research all the options what kind of RV etc.. Any
>pointers would be appreciated

Aside from the home schooling issue, take your time and do your research
before buying any RV. If you've never owned one before, you have a
tremendous amount to learn so you won't make a very expensive mistake.
There's a heck of a lot more to it than just getting in and driving from
point A to point B. It's not at all like living in a condo.

Ask lots of questions, here and elsewhere -- but not from RV
saleslizards. Most of them will lie through their teeth to sell you
whatever you think you want, without regard to whether it may be right
for you.

GB in NC
joehoechst@cs.com - 13 Jan 2006 15:30 GMT
What does your 13 year old think? I can't imagine she would go for it.
You will take her from probably the most important thing to a teenager,
her social life and friends.

Joe
HD in NY - 13 Jan 2006 16:50 GMT
> What does your 13 year old think? I can't imagine she would go for it.
> You will take her from probably the most important thing to a teenager,
> her social life and friends.
>
> Joe

I think you've hit on a real problem area. Our son was
really upset when we moved in '72 from one town to another.
He hated to leave his friends who he'd attended school with
from Kindergarten to the fourth grade. Then we moved from
that town to Detroit and he really flipped.

We have close friends who's oldest kid moved often because
of his job and their kids have all turned out screwed up.
Not to say it is common but kids who have made close friends
because they have been rooted in one place, may not accept
constantly moving home bases.
Hugh
William Boyd - 13 Jan 2006 16:53 GMT
> What does your 13 year old think? I can't imagine she would go for it.
> You will take her from probably the most important thing to a teenager,
> her social life and friends.
>
> Joe

I agree, home schooling fails to teach one of the most important things
of life. How to interact with other people. This is the hardest, the
most difficult subject in life and it take a full time class to
accomplish it. I have seen where parents have thought a two hour session
in Sunday school would provide this, disaster!

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JerryD(upstateNY) - 13 Jan 2006 17:15 GMT
>What does your 13 year old think? I can't imagine she would go for it.<
>You will take her from probably the most important thing to a teenager,<
>her social life and friends.<

I agree.
It would be much better to wait 4-5 years until she was out of school, before you go full time.
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Janet Wilder - 14 Jan 2006 20:42 GMT
>  >What does your 13 year old think? I can't imagine she would go for it.<
>  >You will take her from probably the most important thing to a teenager,<
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> It would be much better to wait 4-5 years until she was out of school,
> before you go full time.

Some of the nicest, most polite and socialized youngsters we met during
our 9 years of fulltiming were the home-educated children of fulltimers.
Because they have to keep to a schedule and get their educational tasks
complete, they are very responsible and remarkably self-disciplined for
their ages. They also get to interact with adults a lot and they develop
social skills and manners.

There is an Escapee Birds of a Feather group of folks who travel with
children and many fulltimers participate in it. Go to www.escapees.com 
and look for the BoF groups.

Many of these fulltiming families belong to membership campgrounds where
people come with their children on weekends and holidays. The kids get
to interact with other kids while participating in the cambground
recreation programs.

Don't let the nay-sayers talk you out of it until you do some more
research. I can't think of a better way for a child to learn history and
geography than to be at the actual places he/she is learning about.

J
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JerryD(upstateNY) - 15 Jan 2006 00:22 GMT
>Some of the nicest, most polite and socialized youngsters we met during<
>our 9 years of fulltiming were the home-educated children of fulltimers.<
>Because they have to keep to a schedule and get their educational tasks<
>complete, they are very responsible and remarkably self-disciplined for<
>their ages. They also get to interact with adults a lot and they develop<
>social skills and manners.<

I think the age of the child has a lot to do with how well they adapt to RV life.
The older the child is, the harder for them to adapt.

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Hunter - 15 Jan 2006 00:44 GMT
On Sun, 15 Jan 2006 00:22:06 GMT, "JerryD\(upstateNY\)"
<jerry@righthere.com> wrote:

>I think the age of the child has a lot to do with how well they adapt to RV life.
>The older the child is, the harder for them to adapt.

I think being in close quarters with a teenage girl is my idea of
hell.

Also, from a girl's view... girls like their privacy at that age, and
I don't see how she could get any privacy living with an adult male.

Hunter
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John Wesley - 15 Jan 2006 02:46 GMT
> Also, from a girl's view... girls like their privacy at that age, and
> I don't see how she could get any privacy living with an adult male.

shes a woman

> Hunter
> --
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> Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well-preserved body,
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Hunter - 15 Jan 2006 03:11 GMT
>> Also, from a girl's view... girls like their privacy at that age, and
>> I don't see how she could get any privacy living with an adult male.

I realize that now. She didn't give us much to go on.

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Jim Redelfs - 15 Jan 2006 18:00 GMT
> I think being in close quarters with a teenage girl is my idea of
> hell.
>
> Also, from a girl's view... girls like their privacy at that age

I helped raise three girls.  You are right.

> I don't see how she could get any privacy living with an adult male.

Not really possible when fulltime RVing, methinks.
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Bob Hatch - 13 Jan 2006 17:54 GMT
> I am new to this site. I have been seriously considering selling my
> condo and paying cash for a Motorhome. My question is , can I home
> school my daughter? She is 13. I am done raising all 6 of my children.
> LOL . My kids live across the country. I plan on spending time with
> them. I am trying to research all the options what kind of RV etc..
> Any pointers would be appreciated

While we were in Bethel, ME, we met a couple with 2 early teen kids, that
were on a year or more long trip around the US. They were home schooling the
kids, and the kids seemed to be having a ball. I got the chance to talk to
the kids about the travels, school and friends, and they seemed OK with what
was happening. Their outlook on life, people, the country were all above
average for their age.

Dad had put a DataStorm on the roof and they did a lot of homework via
internet. The kids also communicated with friends via the DataStorm.

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freddy - 13 Jan 2006 19:47 GMT
>I am new to this site. I have been seriously considering selling my
>condo and paying cash for a Motorhome. My question is , can I home
>school my daughter? She is 13. I am done raising all 6 of my children.
>LOL . My kids live across the country. I plan on spending time with
>them. I am trying to research all the options what kind of RV etc.. Any
>pointers would be appreciated

That life can be great for some kids, especially the gregarious. Only
you know what she is like.

Where she will be visiting with her siblings on an ongoing basis, she
should be able to stay busy. The only caution I would have is with her
age . . . 13 is about the time girls can get emotionally difficult (I
stopped myself from using the word "unstable").  It may help to let
her be an integral part of the planning.

Give it a go.

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