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Car Forum / Driving, Maintenance, Tuning / RVs / January 2006

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Advice for first van purchase?

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Robert - 16 Jan 2006 17:42 GMT
Hi.

I do a lot of solo adventuring (canoeing, hiking, camping, etc.),
and would like to buy a van to use on these trips. Having never
owned a van, and knowing nothing about them, I'd like to get
some input from any of you who've been there.

Here are the features I am looking for:

*All of the rear seats can be removed, and there is enough
length inside for sleeping (I am 72" tall; my air bed measures
74x40), as well as enough leftover space for my gear.
*A roof rack for my canoe.
*A smooth, quiet ride and a comfortable driver's seat for
long hours on the road.
*A durable, dependable engine and transmission for a ton
of highway miles.
*Good visibility thru all windows.
*Good gas mileage.
*Good safety rating.

I'm not looking for a van camper or a conversion van....just
a regular minivan. I'm open to considering all makes and models
(foreign and domestic), but would prefer something fairly modern
(1992 or newer).

I'd appreciate any recommendations you may have, as well as any
vehicles that should be avoided.

Thanks for your help!

Robert

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Tom  J - 16 Jan 2006 18:53 GMT
> Hi.
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> *Good gas mileage.
> *Good safety rating.

http://www.dodge.com/sprinter/
It's hard to get everything you ask for in 1 vehicle. My choice that
would cover the items on your wish list would be A Dodge Sprinter. It
will cost more up front than the mini van you suggested, but with the
durable diesel engine getting over 20 MPG & 10,000 mile service
interval, you'll be a lot cheaper at 100,000 miles and it'll most
likely keep you going for 500,000 miles. Depending on the
configuration you select, it will have everything on your wish list.
There are a few used Sprinters out there, so if you don't want to buy
new, look around.

Tom J
William Boyd - 16 Jan 2006 19:47 GMT
Tom J wrote:

>>Hi.
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> Tom J

I suppose the suggested vehicle would tend to reduce one of the problems
all vans have, That is top heavy. I would think with the extra weight of
the diesel engine it would tend to give you more weight on the bottom
area. Other than that I agree this is about as good as it gets to my
estimations.

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Jim Redelfs - 17 Jan 2006 01:44 GMT
> http://www.dodge.com/sprinter/

He would, of course, need a SKY HOOK to get the canoe up to and down from its
roof rack.

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Jon Porter - 16 Jan 2006 19:02 GMT
> Hi.
>
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> (foreign and domestic), but would prefer something fairly modern
> (1992 or newer).

I don't have specific vehicle recommendations, just some thoughts about it.
You'll want to consider an extended lenght minivan, which would leave some
makes and models out. For sleeping, consider something like a fold up army
cot in the back. That will give you extra permanent storage space underneath
the cot, meaning that you might not need to move stuff around every night in
order to bed down. Other than that, you'll need to "try them on for size" to
see which one you like the most, keeping in mind that unless you sleep at
attention, you'll be fine with a shorter one.
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Leanne - 16 Jan 2006 19:53 GMT
> > Hi.
> >
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> see which one you like the most, keeping in mind that unless you sleep at
> attention, you'll be fine with a shorter one.

Our 1500 series suburban, with the rear seat out and second row folded down,
gives you an area a little over 8'x4' in the back. Canoe racks could be
installed and you would have nice comfortable ride.

Leanne
Robert - 21 Jan 2006 00:52 GMT
Thanks to everyone for your comments/suggestions.
Time for me to start making some test drives.

Happy trails!

Robert
GBinNC - 16 Jan 2006 19:42 GMT
>I do a lot of solo adventuring (canoeing, hiking, camping, etc.),
>and would like to buy a van to use on these trips. Having never
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>I'd appreciate any recommendations you may have, as well as any
>vehicles that should be avoided.

Robert, I'd strongly suggest you consider a full-size passenger van, not
a minivan. You'd have a LOT more cargo/sleeping room and could almost
stand up (well, bent over, but at least you can straighten your legs).
In a minivan you're going to be able to kneel at best, and that gets old
in a hurry. BTDT. (We camped a couple of times in ours and it was a
hassle.)

You'll get fairly respectable gas mileage, as long as you keep your foot
light, and they're reliable as heck (same vehicle is used for cargo and
work vans by the millions, it seems) and hard to break. I would imagine
there are lots of used ones available.

If you still want a minivan, the only direct experience I can share is
with our '96 Plymouth Grand Voyager (virtually the same as Dodge Caravan
and Chrysler Town & Country). It's an extended length ("Grand") model,
and with both rear seats out it will hold a 4x8 sheet of plywood -- on a
completely flat floor -- between the wheel wells, with all the doors
closed. There's a bit more room on both sides fore and aft of the
wheels. It also has a roof rack that would easily handle a canoe.
Sliding doors on both sides, a MAJOR plus. ('96 was the first year for
that.)

We bought ours new and have put 200k on it with two transmission
rebuilds and a couple of thousand in other miscellaneous work (fuel
pump, etc.). The engine is all original and uses virtually no oil. Not
bad for 10 years and some hard usage at times. I didn't even replace the
original platinum spark plugs until 121,000 miles, and they still looked
like new. It has the 3.3-liter V-6, the preferred engine for that model.
The 3.8 isn't as efficient, and you won't need the extra power. (You
wouldn't believe some of the hills I drove that car up regularly when we
lived way back in the NC mountains.) The 3.0 will leave you wishing for
more, I believe.

There are LOTS of these available used, in all price ranges and
conditions. The newer models have features like fold-down rear seats. If
you actually unbolted and removed the seats instead of folding them
down, you could the under-floor compartments for a LOT of out-of-sight
storage. Maybe even lock them.

Ours consistently gets between 22 and 24 mpg (I have checked it at every
tankful) and is an excellent ride -- very smooth and quiet.

As long as you know you're going to need a $1300 transmission rebuild
every 80-100,000 miles or so, you should be fine. Everything else should
last a LOT longer than that, and you can get it worked on anywhere.

It's by far the most versatile vehicle I've ever owned -- like a station
wagon on steroids. We've hauled seven adults in it on numerous occasions
and all were comfortable. As I said, it rides almost like a limo. And
you just can't beat it for usable cargo space.

But DON'T pull a trailer with it.

GB in NC
GBinNC - 16 Jan 2006 19:46 GMT
I also meant to suggest you read "Blue Highways" by William Least Heat
Moon. Written in '73 (IIRC). He bought a used van to sleep in and set
out to see the country on the back roads (blue highways on the older
maps).

I read it way back then and just recently bought a hard-back copy on
Amazon.com (first edition) for our home library and am re-reading it
now. A fabulous book for people like us. It makes me want to hit the
road....

GB in NC
Jim Redelfs - 17 Jan 2006 01:55 GMT
> Here are the features I am looking for:
>
> *All of the rear seats can be removed, and there is enough
> length inside for sleeping (I am 72" tall; my air bed measures
> 74x40), as well as enough leftover space for my gear.

In a MINIvan?  Not likely.

> *A roof rack for my canoe.

Yakima rack on faux gutter plates on cab-high fiberglass topper
covering the box of a full-size pickup.  (my pickup)

> *A smooth, quiet ride and a comfortable driver's seat for
> long hours on the road.

Mercedes Benz 450 SEL

> *A durable, dependable engine and transmission for a ton
> of highway miles.

Caterpillar, Detroit or Cummins.  (Cab w/sleeper is extra)

> *Good visibility thru all windows.

My pickup

> *Good gas mileage.

Nothing mentioned above.

> *Good safety rating.

What about folded wheelchair space?  (Latest P.C. Consumer Reports new car
criteria.)

> just a regular minivan.

You MIGHT be able to get a night or two of CRAMPED sleeping in a LONG minivan
(oxymoron, I know...) but, at 6-ft tall, you won't be happy with its reduced
size over the long haul.  It sounds like a (horrors) FULL SIZE van would be
better - except for the fuel consumption hit.  (Note I didn't say fuel
"economy".  Good gas mileage and full-size vans do NOT go together.)

Good luck!

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