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Jayseebee - 17 Jan 2006 22:46 GMT We in the past have spent 7 1/2 months on the road in 2004 (3 dif campgrounds in NM and WI) and 5 1/2 months this last year (05) as camp ground hosts. Needless to say when we did our mail forwarding to back to back address's other than home here the aftermath was a mail nightmare (automatic permanent address changes, lost or missing mail, etc). Has anyone tried the new? mail forwarding service from USPS yet? where they will ship once a week (via priority mail) the accrued mail for that week to a predetermined address? We still have a home here in WI and are not full timers yet (soon I hope). We do belong to Good Sam and are aware of their service.
Thanks JCB
03 GMC Sierra 2500HD/4X4/EC/LB/Diesel/Allison/RBW 06 Open Road 296RLDS Fiver
Tom J - 18 Jan 2006 00:17 GMT > We in the past have spent 7 1/2 months on the road in 2004 (3 dif > campgrounds in NM and WI) and 5 1/2 months this last year (05) as [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > a home here in WI and are not full timers yet (soon I hope). We do > belong to Good Sam and are aware of their service. We are on the road about the same amount of time as you. For the past 6 years we have been fortunate to have a reasonably priced house sitter that brings in the mail every day, sorts it & has it ready to mail when we call and give him a mailing address. If, or when this person quits or prices himself out, there is a Mail Boxes outlet less than a quarter mile from the house that I would open a box at and have them forward the mail. The only problem with that is, they wouldn't come over and clean the trash in the yard, or listen for burglars at night!!
Tom J
Marsha & Chuck Pratt - 18 Jan 2006 17:22 GMT Join Escapees (www.escapees.com) and subscribe to their mail forwarding service. They are, by far, the best there is. We have full timed for 8 years and our address has been with them the whole time. Marsha and Chuck changing to part time travelers
> We in the past have spent 7 1/2 months on the road in 2004 (3 dif > campgrounds in NM and WI) and 5 1/2 months this last year (05) as camp [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > 03 GMC Sierra 2500HD/4X4/EC/LB/Diesel/Allison/RBW > 06 Open Road 296RLDS Fiver Terry Parsons - 21 Jan 2006 17:50 GMT JCB:
We used the USPS "snowbird" remailing service the last 3 winters. It worked out great for us. They did make some changes to the program this year. It now costs $10 to initiate. And the cost of mailing is now $10. Our post office said they would do the mailing bi-weekly if that is what we want to do. The 'official' rules are that the mailings are done weekly at a cost of $10. Prior to this year, there was no cost to initiate the program and the cost of mailing was, $3.85, the cost of mailing a flat-rate envelope. The cost of progress I guess.
As one suggested, if you are on the road that much, Escapee's membership and mail forwarding might be a better solution.
Terry Parsons
> We in the past have spent 7 1/2 months on the road in 2004 (3 dif > campgrounds in NM and WI) and 5 1/2 months this last year (05) as camp [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > 03 GMC Sierra 2500HD/4X4/EC/LB/Diesel/Allison/RBW > 06 Open Road 296RLDS Fiver Janet Wilder - 23 Jan 2006 00:51 GMT > JCB: > [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] >>03 GMC Sierra 2500HD/4X4/EC/LB/Diesel/Allison/RBW >>06 Open Road 296RLDS Fiver We fulltimed for 9 years (1996-2005) and used Escapees for our mail forwarding. The only time we ever had a problem with receiving the mail was when the US Postal Service had problems, like 9/11. We also used the well-known service in SD for a short while as we "moved" there to save some sales tax on new units. They were not as fast or reliable as Escapees.
We are now part-timers and we still have our Escapees account. When we travel in the summer, our post office sends our mail to them and they forward it to us. It's well worth the expense to know that you have a responsible mail forwarding service that will work with your schedule.
J
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Bob Giddings - 23 Jan 2006 01:54 GMT >> JCB: >> [quoted text clipped - 40 lines] > >J Escapees appears to be a good service.
That said, I think you will find that you can arrange things to where you don't get enough mail to justify them. I have all my bills back home paid by credit card, and pay the card off on the Web. Then I had everything forwarded to my brother. He throws away everything that is not first class, and forwards the rest every 3 or 4 months.
In the last three years I have gotten maybe 6 or 7 pieces that justified remailing, and less as time went on. Last year the only thing I needed was my medicine, and I could have had that sent directly to me in Homer.
Ooops. Also my car registration tax notice.
But that's it. For this you need Escapees?
Bob
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Janet Wilder - 23 Jan 2006 17:10 GMT > Escapees appears to be a good service. > [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > www.arcatapet.net/bobgiddings We don't have a brother to take care of our mail. We pay Escapees an extra few dollars per year and they throw away anything that is not first class and all catalogues. (the extra cost is made up in spending less on postage) Our bills are also paid on credit cards, but our little rural water company doesn't have a web site or accept credit cards. We need the bill. We also like our magazines, getting letters from friends who haven't mastered email, etc. We like to check the progress of our investments and have paper bills for reference even if stuff is paid on the credit card.
YMMV
J
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William Boyd - 23 Jan 2006 18:38 GMT >> Escapees appears to be a good service. >> [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > > J Your water bill could be payed in advance like I do. The number of gallons of water that the minimum charge far exceeds what I can use, so I just pay a year of the minimum and not bother with it.
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Janet Wilder - 24 Jan 2006 21:05 GMT > Your water bill could be payed in advance like I do. The number of > gallons of water that the minimum charge far exceeds what I can use, so > I just pay a year of the minimum and not bother with it. We couldn't before because we have an irrigation system for the trees. We recently had a well put in so we could probably do that. Thanks for the idea.
We have to add the trash collection to it as they collect through the water bill (Don't ask. This is way-south Texas and things are different here. Today we had an entry form for a contest to win a pickup truck attached to the trash can by the fellows in the garbage truck. Where else does the trash company run a contest to win a truck?)
BTW, our minimum is very small. We're only two people who still turn the water off in the shower between soaping and rinsing as a a result of 9 years of fulltime RVing and we have a water-efficient front-loading washer, yet we exceed the minimun usuage.
J
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William Boyd - 24 Jan 2006 22:22 GMT > We couldn't before because we have an irrigation system for the trees. > We recently had a well put in so we could probably do that. Thanks for [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > J What is your maximum amount of water you can use on the minimum charges? Ours here is $14 for 3000gal. Nothing is on the water bill unless you are within the sewer system range, then they charge based on your water consumption. I have my own septic system, three of them. Our garbage is contracted and billed separately but one price per month so I pay a year at a time on that too. I havent even checked to see if the electric company will do the direct billing thing to my checking account at the credit union or not. Primarily because my meter is enclosed in the house and I have had to read it all these years and post it or call it is. But the meter at the barn is on the outside and when I get the house sold maybe they will let me either be charged to my credit card or to the checking account. Then all I have to do is put a change of address in to my daughter across the line in AL. and have a mail forwarding service. ON THE ROAD AGAIN!, On the road again! ;-)
Good luck and win that truck so I will have a daily driver when I get down there. Because I *WILL GIVE YOU THE LUCK U NEED* :-)
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Janet Wilder - 24 Jan 2006 22:39 GMT > What is your maximum amount of water you can use on the minimum charges? > Ours here is $14 for 3000gal. 3,000 gallons for around $15
>Nothing is on the water bill unless you > are within the sewer system range, then they charge based on your water > consumption. I have my own septic system, three of them. We have our own septic system. It has 2 tanks. Does that mean I have 2 septics? I know nothing from this stuff except to severly limit the use of bleach and to check household chemicals for septic safety. We use the same Scott TP we use in the RV and I dump in some Rid-X every month. Is that the right thing to do?
>Our garbage is > contracted and billed separately but one price per month so I pay a year > at a time on that too. No can do that here. Have to pay it monthly on the water bill. some deal the county made.
>I havent even checked to see if the electric > company will do the direct billing thing to my checking account at the > credit union or not. We have a co-op and they are surprisingly progressive. They can do the debit your checking account thing or charge the credit card. We have them charge the credit card. The phone company does that, too as does the alarm company, the cell phone, the satellite TV and the wireless provider for the house.
> Good luck and win that truck so I will have a daily driver when I get > down there. Because I *WILL GIVE YOU THE LUCK U NEED* :-) It's a trucklette. Nissan or something like that. Cute. When are you coming?
J
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GBinNC - 24 Jan 2006 23:28 GMT >We have our own septic system. It has 2 tanks. Does that mean I have 2 >septics? I know nothing from this stuff except to severly limit the use >of bleach and to check household chemicals for septic safety. We use the >same Scott TP we use in the RV and I dump in some Rid-X every month. Is >that the right thing to do? Janet, I'm not a sewer technician (or is that a "s--- expert?"), but based on my own experience, I think you are being way too concerned.
This house and our previous two have/had septic tanks. We never did any maintenance of any kind on any of them, except to replace a crushed line at the mountain house that was apparently damaged when a dump truck backed up the driveway to unload. It was a year later when the damage showed up when sewage backed up into the lowest drain in the house (the basement shower drain) and flooded the bathroom floor. Needless to say, it got our immediate attention <g>
While the guys were there, I figured I may as well have them pump out the tank, since to my knowledge that had never been done in the 35+ years of the house's existence. Turned out to be less than half full. Could have gone another 35 years....
In the house before that, we bought from a couple who had lived in the house for twenty years and raised three kids (then teenagers). They had bought it from the elderly couple who had built it and lived in it for ten years. We lived there for eight years. The tank had never been pumped out or had any attention at all when we sold it.
We never added anything to any of the systems and truly never gave them a second thought. In fact, we also have/had kitchen garbage disposals in all three houses, which to some people is considered a no-no. My wife is a compost nut, though, so we don't put much down the drain.
The "two tanks" in your system probably means there's a 1000-gallon main tank where everything goes at first. Then after the liquid reaches a certain level it overflows into the second tank, and from there goes out to the drain field and back into the ground. By that time it's liquid fertilizer and no more. It's still only one "septic system," not two.
With only two of you in a house that was built to hold up to six (or more?) people, you will never have a problem with it, even if you were "big" water users, which you most definitely are not. In our case, here, because of the combined number of bedrooms in the carriagehouse and the big house, and because of the kind of soil we have here (hard clay), the building codes required seven 110' drain lines. We laughingly say that our "stuff" will never reach the end of even one of those lines, let alone all seven.
Make sure your female visitors know not to flush tampons or sanitary napkins, because they will take FOREVER to degrade. (This is true of both home and municipal systems.) Toilet and facial tissue, as you know, doesn't last long once it gets wet. Even paper towels will disintegrate fairly quickly, but with them you could stand a chance of blocking the line to the septic tank because of their bulk.
You're right about limiting the chemicals because they could interfere with the bacterial stuff going on in the septic tank, but other than that, if I were you I'd think about more fun stuff.
GB in NC
William Boyd - 25 Jan 2006 01:55 GMT > We have our own septic system. It has 2 tanks. Does that mean I have 2 > septics? I know nothing from this stuff except to severly limit the use > of bleach and to check household chemicals for septic safety. We use the > same Scott TP we use in the RV and I dump in some Rid-X every month. Is > that the right thing to do? GB is pretty well correct about the septic system. However it would be unusual to have two tanks connected together in the same system.
As I said about having three, the one that I installed back at the barn for the RV support facility. The other two are for the house, one for the main part which has two bathrooms, the kitchen and laundry room.
There is a separate system servicing a bathroom that was added on to the end of the house. May be when they did it the distance around the house might have been to far so they just added the tank out in the east yard with a couple hundred feet of field line. Considering the house is built on a slab could have a lot to do with it.
Here the health department comes out and tests a soil sample to determine what type system you have to put in, the standard septic or what they call a treatment system. That could be what GB was referring to where every thing goes into one tank and then to the other tank. That would be a treatment system if it had two tanks. The test they used to run was called a perk test. But that was to low tech for some one . All it consisted of was digging a hole with a fence post digger and filling it up with water, if it drained out overnight you were good. There are many different systems that qualify as a treatment plant, you could have one.
More than likely if you have a part of the house that was added on you too could have two systems. There are other rules also like the number of feet of field line required for each bath room and kitchen. If that would be the case then rather than run the drain to the old system and tap in to the field lines to extend them it would be a lot simpler just to put in a new tank and what field lines that went with it.
If you want to really get in to it here might be some information. http://www.inspect-ny.com/septbook.htm
A picture is worth a thousand words, that means there are more pictures here. http://www.agnr.umd.edu/users/wye/personel/Miller/septic.html
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GBinNC - 25 Jan 2006 02:29 GMT > More than likely if you have a part of the house that was added on you >too could have two systems. Janet and Barry live in a brand new house, IIRC.
GB in NC
William Boyd - 25 Jan 2006 03:24 GMT >> More than likely if you have a part of the house that was added on you >>too could have two systems. > > Janet and Barry live in a brand new house, IIRC. > > GB in NC If that be the case they might just have one of the new pressure two tank systems. If the tanks are close together and there is a circuit breaker in the panel identified as something like tank pump or treatment mixer. This information should have been provided to them, but there could have been to much to remember. Then again health departments can be a world of difference from state to state. Such as AL requires the field trenches have the gravel covered with a net material before back filling. They also require sock pipe in a lot of areas. All within inches of MS that has no such requirement.
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Janet Wilder - 26 Jan 2006 02:21 GMT >>> More than likely if you have a part of the house that was added on >>> you too could have two systems. [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > filling. They also require sock pipe in a lot of areas. All within > inches of MS that has no such requirement. There is no circuit breaker for the septic system. All the breakers are labled and none are for the septic. The system is not electrified.
J
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William Boyd - 26 Jan 2006 03:16 GMT >>>> More than likely if you have a part of the house that was added on >>>> you too could have two systems. [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > J OK You have a gravity fed treatment system and I'll bet several hundred feet of field line as well as a good possibility of a pit full of gravel. There is another type of field system and that is where their is not much overburden and pours top layer so as to allow evaporation. You find these systems in clay areas like gumbo mud. Corps of Engineers put these in where some bath rooms are serviced by them. But you will see an area marked off where you cannot walk. Most COE camp grounds have a big treatment plant just like a town has. Cost a lot more, but then they are spending tax payers money, that makes the pendulum swing closer to the tree hugers.
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Janet Wilder - 26 Jan 2006 02:19 GMT >> More than likely if you have a part of the house that was added on you >>too could have two systems. > > Janet and Barry live in a brand new house, IIRC. > > GB in NC Yes. The house is brand new. We went to the county and got a copy of the plans for the septic before we bought the house. It is two tanks and a dreinfield at the very back of the property. This is what the local law seems to require.
The soil is heavy clay. You could probably make flower pots out of it, it's that thick and dense. I'm certain that the soil does not percolate. When it's dry, it cracks. When it's wet, it sucks you down and messes up your shoes. One of the reasons we have an irrigation system is because it is necessary to water the foundation to prevent the soil from shifting. (I'm not kidding!)
J
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GBinNC - 26 Jan 2006 04:28 GMT >> Janet and Barry live in a brand new house, IIRC. >> >> GB in NC
>Yes. The house is brand new. We went to the county and got a copy of the >plans for the septic before we bought the house. It is two tanks and a >dreinfield at the very back of the property. This is what the local law >seems to require. Sounds exactly like what we have. Since we couldn't plant anything of any consequence on our drain field, we covered it with a thick layer of hardwood mulch (to cover the mud) and built a campfire ring in the middle of it. We could have planted grass, but then we'd have to mow it, and we're both philosophically opposed to such a waste of time <g>.
>The soil is heavy clay. You could probably make flower pots out of it, >it's that thick and dense. I hear you. We have mostly red clay here in this area (and some yellowish, known as "bull tallow").
Both kinds are, in fact, used for pottery. We are not far from the famous pottery area of central NC (Seagrove, Jugtown, etc.). There are countless potters/artists who work in shacks and old houses up and down the highway for many miles.
The tourists love it. They come from all over -- by the busload, even -- to watch the potters work and buy their art. It's funny -- we live right in the area and neither of us likes pottery at all. Just not our thing.
That has nothing to do with septic systems, I realize -- but hey, you brought it up <g>.
GB in NC
Ken Harrison - 26 Jan 2006 08:41 GMT > The soil is heavy clay. You could probably make flower pots out of it, > it's that thick and dense. I'm certain that the soil does not percolate. > When it's dry, it cracks. When it's wet, it sucks you down and messes > up your shoes. One of the reasons we have an irrigation system is > because it is necessary to water the foundation to prevent the soil from > shifting. (I'm not kidding!) And the advantage of living there is...;-)
Janet Wilder - 27 Jan 2006 16:51 GMT >> The soil is heavy clay. You could probably make flower pots out of it, >> it's that thick and dense. I'm certain that the soil does not [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > And the advantage of living there is...;-) The sunsets are beautiful. The cost of living is remarkably inexpensive compared to other parts of the country. The people are wonderfuly friendly. There are plenty of cultural things to do and see and we are close to the Mexican border for shopping and partying. Health care is awesome with a campus of UT's medical school right in town and good hospitals. We are less than forty minutes from South Padre Island with its beautiful beaches and fishing in the Laguna Madre and the Gulf is excellent. We have fresh produce all year long, palm trees, citrus groves, breathable air and an outlet mall is opening next Fall. This is paradise, man. Paradise!
J
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Nomad - 26 Jan 2006 23:14 GMT >Yes. The house is brand new. We went to the county and got a copy of the >plans for the septic before we bought the house. It is two tanks and a [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > >J I'll tell you what I was told when I bought my house 20 years ago. I have two 500 gallon tanks tied together because for the size of house, the county required 1,000 gallons of septic and the 500 gallons were the largest (or the easiest to handle.......can't recall).
As far as care, I was told not to put egg shells (to hard to decompose), coffee grounds (too acidic for the sludge), and grease / oil. My soil is very sandy but if you are in clay, or black gumbo (like in the Dallas area) the grease / oil will eventually coat the clay along the sides of the field line and prevent the soil from absorbing the liquid from the septic tank. Of course cigarette butts, paper towels, sanitary napkins etc. (anything that takes a while to decompose) were mentioned. As far as chemicals.....the standard ones used in laundry and cleaning were acceptable.....just don't pour a gallon of bleach down the lines. What you're trying to do is keep the bacteria growing in the tank so as to decompose the solids coming into the tank. I had mine pumped once when it was about 25 years old and like GB said, the solids weren't but maybe a 1/4 full. It would easily have gone another 25 years.
Your tank will be VERY close to your house to keep the solids from getting hung up in the line before they get to the tank. If you have tanks in more than one place, it could be an add-on or a separate field line. Some run their washing machine or their kitchen through a separate tank and may or may not tie in to the same field line.
There is no need to put an additive (Rid-x etc) or yeast or any of that stuff as long as you're somewhat careful about how much of the "bad" stuff you put down the line.
I don't know if any of this is true, but that's what I was told and so far it has worked for me........ :-)
Nomad
Janet Wilder - 27 Jan 2006 17:00 GMT > I'll tell you what I was told when I bought my house 20 years ago. > I have two 500 gallon tanks tied together because for the size of > house, the county required 1,000 gallons of septic and the 500 gallons > were the largest (or the easiest to handle.......can't recall). That's what we have.
> As far as care, I was told not to put egg shells (to hard to > decompose), coffee grounds (too acidic for the sludge), and > grease / oil. My soil is very sandy but if you are in clay, or black > gumbo (like in the Dallas area) the grease / oil will eventually coat > the clay along the sides of the field line and prevent the soil from > absorbing the liquid from the septic tank. I don't put anything like that in the drain. I keep a can under the sink for grease. When it's full, I throw it in the trash. It's a habit of lousy plumbing in NJ and having lived in an RV for 9 years. <g>
> What you're trying to do is keep the bacteria > growing in the tank so as to decompose the solids coming > into the tank. just like we did with the blackwater tank in the RV?
> Your tank will be VERY close to your house to keep the solids > from getting hung up in the line before they get to the tank. > If you have tanks in more than one place, it could be an add-on > or a separate field line. Some run their washing machine or their > kitchen through a separate tank and may or may not tie in to the > same field line. There is a line from the kitchen, but just the two tanks in a row. Several people have suggested that we knock a hole in the wall and run the washing machine water into the yard, however, it isn't all that easy to make a hole in the wall of an ICF house and we don't do that much wash.
> There is no need to put an additive (Rid-x etc) or yeast or any > of that stuff as long as you're somewhat careful about how much > of the "bad" stuff you put down the line. Really? The Rid-X isn't expensive and makes me feel like I'm doing something positibe. Maybe I'll cut it down to every other month. I'm so hung up on critters in the tank from the RV days <g>
> I don't know if any of this is true, but that's what I was told and so > far it has worked for me........ :-) > > Nomad Thanks Nomad and everyone else. I feel a lot better about my giant holding tanks.
J
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GBinNC - 27 Jan 2006 18:19 GMT >Several people have suggested that we knock a hole in the wall and run >the washing machine water into the yard, however, it isn't all that easy >to make a hole in the wall of an ICF house and we don't do that much wash. You don't want to do that in clay soil anyway. You'd end up with a huge, nasty puddle with soap scum in it that would take forever to be absorbed.
Some folks are afraid they'll "fill up" their septic tanks by running too much water -- from a washer or otherwise. Not so. You can't overfill a septic tank. As the liquid level gets high enough to overflow into the second tank (leaving the solids behind to decompose), it runs from there out into the drain lines where it spreads out and goes back deep into the soil over a large area. (When there's no second tank, it just overflows straight from the first tank into the drain lines.)
>> There is no need to put an additive (Rid-x etc) or yeast or any >> of that stuff as long as you're somewhat careful about how much >> of the "bad" stuff you put down the line.
>Really? The Rid-X isn't expensive and makes me feel like I'm doing >something positibe. Maybe I'll cut it down to every other month. I'm so >hung up on critters in the tank from the RV days <g> You're supposed to have "critters" in there -- they digest the waste. (In an RV tank they're more to help keep down odor.) You're not hurting anything, but you're probably wasting money. But hey, we all spend money on lots of things that make us feel better, so have at it.
>Thanks Nomad and everyone else. I feel a lot better about my giant >holding tanks. Actually, they're NOT holding tanks, they're *septic* tanks. The reason an RV tank is properly called a *holding* tank and not a septic tank is that it's there just to temporarily hold the waste until you can dump it into a *real* septic system where it can be processed. An RV system has no capacity to completely treat the waste and return it to the soil, like a home septic tank does. Just so you'll know <g>.
I would bet money that you -- being just the two of you, and being former full-timers and in the long-time habit of conserving water -- that you will never have to even *think* about your home septic system, whether you do anything to it or not.
GB in NC
Janet Wilder - 27 Jan 2006 21:45 GMT > I would bet money that you -- being just the two of you, and being > former full-timers and in the long-time habit of conserving water -- > that you will never have to even *think* about your home septic system, > whether you do anything to it or not. Good! We'll probably be in the old-folks home by the time it needs professional attention. <g>
You're right about our water use habits. We still turn off the water in the shower while we soap up.
J
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Frank Tabor - 27 Jan 2006 21:53 GMT >while we soap up That conjures up a vision...never mind, we won't go there. (-;
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GBinNC - 27 Jan 2006 22:01 GMT >>while we soap up
>That conjures up a vision...never mind, we won't go there. (-; After all, she DID say "we"....
GB in NC
Janet Wilder - 28 Jan 2006 17:09 GMT >>>while we soap up > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > GB in NC though I meant that both of us shower that way, we do have a big shower in the master suite <vbg>
Janet, blushing a little.
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Leanne - 28 Jan 2006 17:50 GMT > though I meant that both of us shower that way, we do have a big shower > in the master suite <vbg> > > Janet, blushing a little. Hey, what you do in private is your business. Hasn't anyone heard to save water, shower with a friend.
Leanne
William Boyd - 28 Jan 2006 18:57 GMT >>though I meant that both of us shower that way, we do have a big shower >>in the master suite <vbg> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Leanne Yeah! I heard that but it looks like I dont have one of them now.
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Janet Wilder - 28 Jan 2006 19:31 GMT >>> though I meant that both of us shower that way, we do have a big shower >>> in the master suite <vbg> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >> > Yeah! I heard that but it looks like I dont have one of them now. A shower or a friend?
J
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William Boyd - 28 Jan 2006 21:21 GMT >>>> though I meant that both of us shower that way, we do have a big shower >>>> in the master suite <vbg> [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > J Got a nice new shower!
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GBinNC - 28 Jan 2006 21:31 GMT >> though I meant that both of us shower that way, we do have a big shower >> in the master suite <vbg> >> >> Janet, blushing a little.
>Hey, what you do in private is your business. Hasn't anyone heard to save >water, shower with a friend. C'mon now, it's not like I was being critical....
GB in NC
Jim Redelfs - 29 Jan 2006 03:35 GMT > to save water, shower with a friend. It doesn't save any water. <sigh>
As a solo undertaking, when I shower it is FAST. When showering with <ahem> a friend, the shower takes MUCH longer!
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Janet Wilder - 30 Jan 2006 01:11 GMT >>to save water, shower with a friend. > > It doesn't save any water. <sigh> > > As a solo undertaking, when I shower it is FAST. When showering with <ahem> a > friend, the shower takes MUCH longer! That's been my experience, too. <v,vbg>
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Tom J - 23 Jan 2006 20:43 GMT > We don't have a brother to take care of our mail. We pay Escapees an > extra few dollars per year and they throw away anything that is not > first class and all catalogues. (the extra cost is made up in > spending less on postage) Our bills are also paid on credit cards, > but our little rural water company doesn't have a web site or accept > credit cards. We need the bill. You don't really need the bill. For years our water company didn't have debit pay. so, since we knew what the average bill was per month, before we left on an extended trip, we just wrote a check totaling what it would be . The only thing we ever heard from them was, on 1 trip we were away 6 consecutive months and they wanted to set up a date to switch out the meter because it had "quit working" :-) They now have debit pay available so that's the way we do it. The only checks we write now are for tax bills.
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Janet Wilder - 24 Jan 2006 21:07 GMT Tom J wrote:
>>We don't have a brother to take care of our mail. We pay Escapees an >>extra few dollars per year and they throw away anything that is not [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Tom J Wells Fargo pays the taxes for us with the mortgage. The only house-related check we have is the water bill and that's paid via on-line banking. I'm going to try setting up a payment for them when we take the next long trip.
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Tom J - 24 Jan 2006 21:13 GMT > Tom J wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > Wells Fargo pays the taxes for us with the mortgage. We haven't had a house mortgage in 30 years! Haven't had a vehicle mortgage in over 20 years. Wouldn't know how to handle that. ;-) At our advanced age, we pay cash or don't buy!
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Janet Wilder - 24 Jan 2006 22:04 GMT Tom J wrote: >
> We haven't had a house mortgage in 30 years! Haven't had a vehicle > mortgage in over 20 years. Wouldn't know how to handle that. ;-) > At our advanced age, we pay cash or don't buy! > > Tom J We didn't have a house mortgage or vehicle payments for 9 years while we fulltimed. Though we live in the house, we think of it as an investment. It's nice to have some tax deductions for a change. <g>
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William Boyd - 24 Jan 2006 22:29 GMT Tom J wrote:
> We haven't had a house mortgage in 30 years! Haven't had a vehicle > mortgage in over 20 years. Wouldn't know how to handle that. ;-) > At our advanced age, we pay cash or don't buy! > > Tom J Yeah! I am beginning to get familiar with that system too, they call it to old to charge. They will have such a high amount of collateral requirement so they are assured to get their investment back if we kick the bucket. ;-)
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Janet Wilder - 24 Jan 2006 22:44 GMT > Tom J wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > requirement so they are assured to get their investment back if we kick > the bucket. ;-) Don't know about that. I got a discount at Home Depot for opening a charge card with them when I bought some window shades. They gave me $20,000 worth of instant credit!! I haven't worked since early 1996.
We did pay cash for out motorhome (insurance proceeds) and Barry's '96 Mustang convertible, but we have a loan for the Honda. We are blessed with a financial advisor who does wonders with our money without putting it at high risk. I'd rather pay the teeny interest that Honda wants and let him put our cash to better use.
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