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Jayseebee - 17 Jan 2006 22:46 GMT
We in the past have spent 7 1/2 months on the road in 2004 (3 dif
campgrounds in NM and WI) and 5 1/2 months this last year (05) as camp
ground hosts. Needless to say when we did our mail forwarding to back to
back address's other than home here the aftermath was a mail nightmare
(automatic permanent address changes, lost or missing mail, etc). Has
anyone tried the new? mail forwarding service from USPS yet? where they
will ship once a week (via priority mail) the accrued mail for that week
to a predetermined address? We still have a home here in WI and are not
full timers yet (soon I hope). We do belong to Good Sam and are aware of
their service.

Thanks  JCB

03 GMC Sierra 2500HD/4X4/EC/LB/Diesel/Allison/RBW
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Tom  J - 18 Jan 2006 00:17 GMT
> We in the past have spent 7 1/2 months on the road in 2004 (3 dif
> campgrounds in NM and WI) and 5 1/2 months this last year (05) as
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> a home here in WI and are not full timers yet (soon I hope). We do
> belong to Good Sam and are aware of their service.

We are on the road about the same amount of time as you. For the past
6 years we have been fortunate to have a reasonably priced house
sitter that brings in the mail every day, sorts it & has it ready to
mail when we call and give him a mailing address.  If, or when this
person quits or prices himself out, there is a Mail Boxes outlet less
than a quarter mile from the house that I would open a box at and have
them forward the mail. The only problem with that is, they wouldn't
come over and clean the trash in the yard, or listen for burglars at
night!!

Tom J
Marsha & Chuck Pratt - 18 Jan 2006 17:22 GMT
Join Escapees (www.escapees.com) and subscribe to their mail forwarding
service.  They are, by far, the best there is.  We have full timed for 8
years and our address has been with them the whole time.
Marsha and Chuck
changing to part time travelers

> We in the past have spent 7 1/2 months on the road in 2004 (3 dif
> campgrounds in NM and WI) and 5 1/2 months this last year (05) as camp
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> 03 GMC Sierra 2500HD/4X4/EC/LB/Diesel/Allison/RBW
> 06 Open Road 296RLDS Fiver
Terry Parsons - 21 Jan 2006 17:50 GMT
JCB:

We used the USPS "snowbird" remailing service the last 3 winters.  It worked
out great for us.  They did make some changes to the program this year.  It
now costs $10 to initiate.  And the cost of mailing is now $10.  Our post
office said they would do the mailing bi-weekly if that is what we want to
do.  The 'official' rules are that the mailings are done weekly at a cost of
$10.  Prior to this year, there was no cost to initiate the program and the
cost of mailing was, $3.85, the cost of mailing a flat-rate envelope.  The
cost of progress I guess.

As one suggested, if you are on the road that much, Escapee's membership and
mail forwarding might be a better solution.

Terry Parsons

> We in the past have spent 7 1/2 months on the road in 2004 (3 dif
> campgrounds in NM and WI) and 5 1/2 months this last year (05) as camp
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> 03 GMC Sierra 2500HD/4X4/EC/LB/Diesel/Allison/RBW
> 06 Open Road 296RLDS Fiver
Janet Wilder - 23 Jan 2006 00:51 GMT
> JCB:
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>>03 GMC Sierra 2500HD/4X4/EC/LB/Diesel/Allison/RBW
>>06 Open Road 296RLDS Fiver

We fulltimed for 9 years (1996-2005) and used Escapees for our mail
forwarding. The only time we ever had a problem with receiving the mail
was when the US Postal Service had problems, like 9/11. We also used the
well-known service in SD for a short while as we "moved" there to save
some sales tax on new units. They were not as fast or reliable as Escapees.

We are now part-timers and we still have our Escapees account. When we
travel in the summer, our post office sends our mail to them and they
forward it to us. It's well worth the expense to know that you have a
responsible mail forwarding service that will work with your schedule.

J

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Bob Giddings - 23 Jan 2006 01:54 GMT
>> JCB:
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>J

Escapees appears to be a good service.

That said, I think you will find that you can arrange things to
where you don't get enough mail to justify them.  I have all my
bills back home paid by credit card, and pay the card off on the
Web.  Then I had everything forwarded to my brother.  He throws
away everything that is not first class, and forwards the rest
every 3 or 4 months.

In the last three years I have gotten maybe 6 or 7 pieces that
justified remailing, and less as time went on.  Last year the
only thing I needed was my medicine, and I could have had that
sent directly to me in Homer.

Ooops.  Also my car registration tax notice.

But that's it.  For this you need Escapees?

Bob

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Janet Wilder - 23 Jan 2006 17:10 GMT
> Escapees appears to be a good service.
>
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> www.arcatapet.net/bobgiddings

We don't have a brother to take care of our mail. We pay Escapees an
extra few dollars per year and they throw away anything that is not
first class and all catalogues. (the extra cost is made up in spending
less on postage) Our bills are also paid on credit cards, but our little
rural water company doesn't have a web site or accept credit cards. We
need the bill. We also like our magazines, getting letters from friends
who haven't mastered email, etc. We like to check the progress of our
investments and have paper bills for reference even if stuff is paid on
the credit card.

YMMV

J
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William Boyd - 23 Jan 2006 18:38 GMT
>> Escapees appears to be a good service.
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>
> J
Your water bill could be payed in advance like I do. The number of
gallons of water that the minimum charge far exceeds what I can use, so
I just pay a year of the minimum and not bother with it.

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Janet Wilder - 24 Jan 2006 21:05 GMT
> Your water bill could be payed in advance like I do. The number of
> gallons of water that the minimum charge far exceeds what I can use, so
> I just pay a year of the minimum and not bother with it.

We couldn't before because we have an irrigation system for the trees.
We recently had a well put in so we could probably do that. Thanks for
the idea.

We have to add the trash collection to it as they collect through the
water bill (Don't ask. This is way-south Texas and things are different
here. Today we had an entry form for a contest to win a pickup truck
attached to the trash can by the fellows in the garbage truck. Where
else does the trash company run a contest to win a truck?)

BTW, our minimum is very small. We're only two people who still turn the
water off in the shower between soaping and rinsing as a a result of 9
years of fulltime RVing and we have a water-efficient front-loading
washer, yet we exceed the minimun usuage.

J

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William Boyd - 24 Jan 2006 22:22 GMT
> We couldn't before because we have an irrigation system for the trees.
> We recently had a well put in so we could probably do that. Thanks for
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>
> J

What is your maximum amount of water you can use on the minimum charges?
Ours here is $14 for 3000gal. Nothing is on the water bill unless you
are within the sewer system range, then they charge based on your water
consumption. I have my own septic system, three of them. Our garbage is
contracted and billed separately but one price per month so I pay a year
at a time on that too. I havent even checked to see if the electric
company will do the direct billing thing to my checking account at the
credit union or not. Primarily because my meter is enclosed in the house
and I have had to read it all these years and post it or call it is. But
the meter at the barn is on the outside and when I get the house sold
maybe they will let me either be charged to my credit card or to the
checking account. Then all I have to do is put a change of address in to
my daughter across the line in AL. and have a mail forwarding service.
ON THE ROAD AGAIN!, On the road again!  ;-)

Good luck and win that truck so I will have a daily driver when I get
down there. Because I *WILL GIVE YOU THE LUCK U NEED* :-)

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Janet Wilder - 24 Jan 2006 22:39 GMT
> What is your maximum amount of water you can use on the minimum charges?
> Ours here is $14 for 3000gal.

3,000 gallons for around $15
>Nothing is on the water bill unless you
> are within the sewer system range, then they charge based on your water
> consumption. I have my own septic system, three of them.

We have our own septic system. It has 2 tanks. Does that mean I have 2
septics? I know nothing from this stuff except to severly limit the use
of bleach and to check household chemicals for septic safety. We use the
same Scott TP we use in the RV and I dump in some Rid-X every month. Is
that the right thing to do?
>Our garbage is
> contracted and billed separately but one price per month so I pay a year
> at a time on that too.

No can do that here. Have to pay it monthly on the water bill. some deal
the county made.

>I havent even checked to see if the electric
> company will do the direct billing thing to my checking account at the
> credit union or not.

We have a co-op and they are surprisingly progressive. They can do the
debit your checking account thing or charge the credit card. We have
them charge the credit card. The phone company does that, too as does
the alarm company, the cell phone, the satellite TV and the wireless
provider for the house.

> Good luck and win that truck so I will have a daily driver when I get
> down there. Because I *WILL GIVE YOU THE LUCK U NEED* :-)

It's a trucklette. Nissan or something like that. Cute. When are you coming?

J

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GBinNC - 24 Jan 2006 23:28 GMT
>We have our own septic system. It has 2 tanks. Does that mean I have 2
>septics? I know nothing from this stuff except to severly limit the use
>of bleach and to check household chemicals for septic safety. We use the
>same Scott TP we use in the RV and I dump in some Rid-X every month. Is
>that the right thing to do?

Janet, I'm not a sewer technician (or is that a "s--- expert?"), but
based on my own experience, I think you are being way too concerned.

This house and our previous two have/had septic tanks. We never did any
maintenance of any kind on any of them, except to replace a crushed line
at the mountain house that was apparently damaged when a dump truck
backed up the driveway to unload. It was a year later when the damage
showed up when sewage backed up into the lowest drain in the house (the
basement shower drain) and flooded the bathroom floor. Needless to say,
it got our immediate attention <g>

While the guys were there, I figured I may as well have them pump out
the tank, since to my knowledge that had never been done in the 35+
years of the house's existence. Turned out to be less than half full.
Could have gone another 35 years....

In the house before that, we bought from a couple who had lived in the
house for twenty years and raised three kids (then teenagers). They had
bought it from the elderly couple who had built it and lived in it for
ten years. We lived there for eight years. The tank had never been
pumped out or had any attention at all when we sold it.

We never added anything to any of the systems and truly never gave them
a second thought. In fact, we also have/had kitchen garbage disposals in
all three houses, which to some people is considered a no-no. My wife is
a compost nut, though, so we don't put much down the drain.

The "two tanks" in your system probably means there's a 1000-gallon main
tank where everything goes at first. Then after the liquid reaches a
certain level it overflows into the second tank, and from there goes out
to the drain field and back into the ground. By that time it's liquid
fertilizer and no more. It's still only one "septic system," not two.

With only two of you in a house that was built to hold up to six (or
more?) people, you will never have a problem with it, even if you were
"big" water users, which you most definitely are not. In our case, here,
because of the combined number of bedrooms in the carriagehouse and the
big house, and because of the kind of soil we have here (hard clay), the
building codes required seven 110' drain lines. We laughingly say that
our "stuff" will never reach the end of even one of those lines, let
alone all seven.

Make sure your female visitors know not to flush tampons or sanitary
napkins, because they will take FOREVER to degrade. (This is true of
both home and municipal systems.) Toilet and facial tissue, as you know,
doesn't last long once it gets wet. Even paper towels will disintegrate
fairly quickly, but with them you could stand a chance of blocking the
line to the septic tank because of their bulk.

You're right about limiting the chemicals because they could interfere
with the bacterial stuff going on in the septic tank, but other than
that, if I were you I'd think about more fun stuff.

GB in NC
William Boyd - 25 Jan 2006 01:55 GMT
> We have our own septic system. It has 2 tanks. Does that mean I have 2
> septics? I know nothing from this stuff except to severly limit the use
> of bleach and to check household chemicals for septic safety. We use the
> same Scott TP we use in the RV and I dump in some Rid-X every month. Is
> that the right thing to do?

GB is pretty well correct about the septic system. However it would be
unusual to have two tanks connected together in the same system.

 As I said about having three, the one that I installed back at the
barn for the RV support facility. The other two are for the house, one
for the main part which has two bathrooms, the kitchen and laundry room.

 There is a separate system servicing a bathroom that was added on to
the end of the house. May be when they did it the distance around the
house might have been to far so they just added the tank out in the east
yard with a couple hundred feet of field line. Considering the house is
built on a slab could have a lot to do with it.

 Here the health department comes out and tests a soil sample to
determine what type system you have to put in, the standard septic or
what they call a treatment system. That could be what GB was referring
to where every thing goes into one tank and then to the other tank. That
would be a treatment system if it had two tanks.
 The test they used to run was called a perk test. But that was to low
tech for some one . All it consisted of was digging a hole with a fence
post digger and filling it up with water, if it drained out overnight
you were good. There are many different systems that qualify as a
treatment plant, you could have one.

 More than likely if you have a part of the house that was added on you
too could have two systems. There are other rules also like the number
of feet of field line required for each bath room and kitchen. If that
would be the case then rather than run the drain to the old system and
tap in to the field lines to extend them it would be a lot simpler just
to put in a new tank and what field lines that went with it.

If you want to really get in to it here might be some information.
http://www.inspect-ny.com/septbook.htm

A picture is worth a thousand words, that means there are more pictures
here.  http://www.agnr.umd.edu/users/wye/personel/Miller/septic.html
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GBinNC - 25 Jan 2006 02:29 GMT
>  More than likely if you have a part of the house that was added on you
>too could have two systems.

Janet and Barry live in a brand new house, IIRC.

GB in NC
William Boyd - 25 Jan 2006 03:24 GMT
>> More than likely if you have a part of the house that was added on you
>>too could have two systems.
>
> Janet and Barry live in a brand new house, IIRC.
>
> GB in NC
If that be the case they might just have one of the new pressure two
tank systems. If the tanks are close together and there is a circuit
breaker in the panel identified as something like tank pump or treatment
mixer.
This information should have been provided to them, but there could have
been to much to remember. Then again health departments can be a world
of difference from state to state. Such as AL requires the field
trenches have the gravel covered with a net material before back
filling. They also require sock pipe in a lot of areas. All within
inches of MS that has no such requirement.

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Janet Wilder - 26 Jan 2006 02:21 GMT
>>> More than likely if you have a part of the house that was added on
>>> you too could have two systems.
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> filling. They also require sock pipe in a lot of areas. All within
> inches of MS that has no such requirement.

There is no circuit breaker for the septic system. All the breakers are
labled and none are for the septic. The system is not electrified.

J

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William Boyd - 26 Jan 2006 03:16 GMT
>>>> More than likely if you have a part of the house that was added on
>>>> you too could have two systems.
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>
> J

OK You have a gravity fed treatment system and I'll bet several hundred
feet of field line as well as a good possibility of a pit full of gravel.
There is another type of field system and that is where their is not
much overburden and pours top layer so as to allow evaporation. You find
these systems in clay areas like gumbo mud. Corps of Engineers put these
in where some bath rooms are serviced by them. But you will see an area
marked off where you cannot walk. Most COE camp grounds have a big
treatment plant just like a town has. Cost a lot more, but then they are
spending tax payers money, that makes the pendulum swing closer to the
tree hugers.

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Janet Wilder - 26 Jan 2006 02:19 GMT
>> More than likely if you have a part of the house that was added on you
>>too could have two systems.
>
> Janet and Barry live in a brand new house, IIRC.
>
> GB in NC
   
Yes. The house is brand new. We went to the county and got a copy of the
plans for the septic before we bought the house. It is two tanks and a
dreinfield at the very back of the property. This is what the local law
seems to require.

The soil is heavy clay. You could probably make flower pots out of it,
it's that thick and dense. I'm certain that the soil does not percolate.
When it's dry, it cracks. When  it's wet, it sucks you down and messes
up your shoes. One of the reasons we have an irrigation system is
because it is necessary to water the foundation to prevent the soil from
shifting. (I'm not kidding!)

J

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GBinNC - 26 Jan 2006 04:28 GMT
>> Janet and Barry live in a brand new house, IIRC.
>>
>> GB in NC
   
>Yes. The house is brand new. We went to the county and got a copy of the
>plans for the septic before we bought the house. It is two tanks and a
>dreinfield at the very back of the property. This is what the local law
>seems to require.

Sounds exactly like what we have. Since we couldn't plant anything of
any consequence on our drain field, we covered it with a thick layer of
hardwood mulch (to cover the mud) and built a campfire ring in the
middle of it. We could have planted grass, but then we'd have to mow it,
and we're both philosophically opposed to such a waste of time <g>.

>The soil is heavy clay. You could probably make flower pots out of it,
>it's that thick and dense.

I hear you. We have mostly red clay here in this area (and some
yellowish, known as "bull tallow").

Both kinds are, in fact, used for pottery. We are not far from the
famous pottery area of central NC (Seagrove, Jugtown, etc.). There are
countless potters/artists who work in shacks and old houses up and down
the highway for many miles.

The tourists love it. They come from all over -- by the busload, even --
to watch the potters work and buy their art. It's funny -- we live right
in the area and neither of us likes pottery at all. Just not our thing.

That has nothing to do with septic systems, I realize -- but hey, you
brought it up <g>.

GB in NC
Ken Harrison - 26 Jan 2006 08:41 GMT
> The soil is heavy clay. You could probably make flower pots out of it,
> it's that thick and dense. I'm certain that the soil does not percolate.
> When it's dry, it cracks. When  it's wet, it sucks you down and messes
> up your shoes. One of the reasons we have an irrigation system is
> because it is necessary to water the foundation to prevent the soil from
> shifting. (I'm not kidding!)

And the advantage of living there is...;-)
Janet Wilder - 27 Jan 2006 16:51 GMT
>> The soil is heavy clay. You could probably make flower pots out of it,
>> it's that thick and dense. I'm certain that the soil does not
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>
> And the advantage of living there is...;-)

The sunsets are beautiful. The cost of living is remarkably inexpensive
compared to other parts of the country. The people are wonderfuly
friendly. There are plenty of cultural things to do and see and we are
close to the Mexican border for shopping and partying. Health care is
awesome with a campus of UT's medical school right in town and good
hospitals. We are less than forty minutes from South Padre Island with
its beautiful beaches and fishing in the Laguna Madre and the Gulf is
excellent. We have fresh produce all year long, palm trees, citrus
groves, breathable air and an outlet mall is opening next Fall. This is
paradise, man. Paradise!

J

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Nomad - 26 Jan 2006 23:14 GMT
>Yes. The house is brand new. We went to the county and got a copy of the
>plans for the septic before we bought the house. It is two tanks and a
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>
>J

I'll tell you what I was told when I bought my house 20 years ago.
I have two 500 gallon tanks tied together because for the size of
house, the county required 1,000 gallons of septic and the 500 gallons
were the largest (or the easiest to handle.......can't recall).  

As far as care, I was told not to put egg shells (to hard to
decompose), coffee grounds (too acidic for the sludge), and
grease / oil.  My soil is very sandy but if you are in clay, or black
gumbo (like in the Dallas area) the grease / oil will eventually coat
the clay along the sides of  the field line and prevent the soil from
absorbing the liquid from the septic tank.
Of course cigarette butts, paper towels, sanitary napkins etc.
(anything that takes a while to decompose) were mentioned.
As far as chemicals.....the standard ones used in laundry and
cleaning were acceptable.....just don't pour a gallon of bleach
down the lines.  What you're trying to do is keep the bacteria
growing in the tank so as to decompose the solids coming
into the tank.  I had mine pumped once when it was about 25
years old and like GB said, the solids weren't  but maybe a 1/4 full.
It would easily have gone another 25 years.

Your tank will be VERY close to your house to keep the solids
from getting hung up in the line before they get to the tank.
If you have tanks in more than one place, it could be an add-on
or a separate field line.  Some run their washing machine or their
kitchen through a separate tank and may or may not tie in to the
same field line.

There is no need to put an additive (Rid-x etc) or yeast or any
of that stuff as long as you're somewhat careful about how much
of the "bad" stuff you put down the line.

I don't know if any of this is true, but that's what I was told and so
far it has worked for me........  :-)

Nomad
Janet Wilder - 27 Jan 2006 17:00 GMT
> I'll tell you what I was told when I bought my house 20 years ago.
> I have two 500 gallon tanks tied together because for the size of
> house, the county required 1,000 gallons of septic and the 500 gallons
> were the largest (or the easiest to handle.......can't recall).  

That's what we have.

> As far as care, I was told not to put egg shells (to hard to
> decompose), coffee grounds (too acidic for the sludge), and
> grease / oil.  My soil is very sandy but if you are in clay, or black
> gumbo (like in the Dallas area) the grease / oil will eventually coat
> the clay along the sides of  the field line and prevent the soil from
> absorbing the liquid from the septic tank.

I don't put anything like that in the drain. I keep a can under the sink
for grease. When it's full, I throw it in the trash. It's a habit of
lousy plumbing in NJ and having lived in an RV for 9 years. <g>

> What you're trying to do is keep the bacteria
> growing in the tank so as to decompose the solids coming
> into the tank.

just like we did with the blackwater tank in the RV?

> Your tank will be VERY close to your house to keep the solids
> from getting hung up in the line before they get to the tank.
> If you have tanks in more than one place, it could be an add-on
> or a separate field line.  Some run their washing machine or their
> kitchen through a separate tank and may or may not tie in to the
> same field line.

There is a line from the kitchen, but just the two tanks in a row.
Several people have suggested that we knock a hole in the wall and run
the washing machine water into the yard, however, it isn't all that easy
to make a hole in the wall of an ICF house and we don't do that much wash.

> There is no need to put an additive (Rid-x etc) or yeast or any
> of that stuff as long as you're somewhat careful about how much
> of the "bad" stuff you put down the line.

Really? The Rid-X  isn't expensive and makes me feel like I'm doing
something positibe. Maybe I'll cut it down to every other month. I'm so
hung up on critters in the tank from the RV days <g>

> I don't know if any of this is true, but that's what I was told and so
> far it has worked for me........  :-)
>
> Nomad

Thanks Nomad and everyone else. I feel a lot better about my giant
holding tanks.

J
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GBinNC - 27 Jan 2006 18:19 GMT
>Several people have suggested that we knock a hole in the wall and run
>the washing machine water into the yard, however, it isn't all that easy
>to make a hole in the wall of an ICF house and we don't do that much wash.

You don't want to do that in clay soil anyway. You'd end up with a huge,
nasty puddle with soap scum in it that would take forever to be
absorbed.

Some folks are afraid they'll "fill up" their septic tanks by running
too much water -- from a washer or otherwise. Not so. You can't overfill
a septic tank. As the liquid level gets high enough to overflow into the
second tank (leaving the solids behind to decompose), it runs from there
out into the drain lines where it spreads out and goes back deep into
the soil over a large area. (When there's no second tank, it just
overflows straight from the first tank into the drain lines.)

>> There is no need to put an additive (Rid-x etc) or yeast or any
>> of that stuff as long as you're somewhat careful about how much
>> of the "bad" stuff you put down the line.

>Really? The Rid-X  isn't expensive and makes me feel like I'm doing
>something positibe. Maybe I'll cut it down to every other month. I'm so
>hung up on critters in the tank from the RV days <g>

You're supposed to have "critters" in there -- they digest the waste.
(In an RV tank they're more to help keep down odor.) You're not hurting
anything, but you're probably wasting money. But hey, we all spend money
on lots of things that make us feel better, so have at it.

>Thanks Nomad and everyone else. I feel a lot better about my giant
>holding tanks.

Actually, they're NOT holding tanks, they're *septic* tanks. The reason
an RV tank is properly called a *holding* tank and not a septic tank is
that it's there just to temporarily hold the waste until you can dump it
into a *real* septic system where it can be processed. An RV system has
no capacity to completely treat the waste and return it to the soil,
like a home septic tank does. Just so you'll know <g>.

I would bet money that you -- being just the two of you, and being
former full-timers and in the long-time habit of conserving water --
that you will never have to even *think* about your home septic system,
whether you do anything to it or not.

GB in NC
Janet Wilder - 27 Jan 2006 21:45 GMT
> I would bet money that you -- being just the two of you, and being
> former full-timers and in the long-time habit of conserving water --
> that you will never have to even *think* about your home septic system,
> whether you do anything to it or not.

Good! We'll probably be in the old-folks home by the time it needs
professional attention. <g>

You're right about our water use habits. We still turn off the water in
the shower while we soap up.

J

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Frank Tabor - 27 Jan 2006 21:53 GMT
>while we soap up

That conjures up a vision...never mind, we won't go there. (-;
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GBinNC - 27 Jan 2006 22:01 GMT
>>while we soap up

>That conjures up a vision...never mind, we won't go there. (-;

After all, she DID say "we"....

GB in NC
Janet Wilder - 28 Jan 2006 17:09 GMT
>>>while we soap up
>
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>
> GB in NC

though I meant that both of us shower that way, we do have a big shower
in the master suite <vbg>

Janet, blushing a little.

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Leanne - 28 Jan 2006 17:50 GMT
> though I meant that both of us shower that way, we do have a big shower
> in the master suite <vbg>
>
> Janet, blushing a little.

Hey, what you do in private is your business. Hasn't anyone heard to save
water, shower with a friend.

Leanne
William Boyd - 28 Jan 2006 18:57 GMT
>>though I meant that both of us shower that way, we do have a big shower
>>in the master suite <vbg>
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> Leanne

Yeah! I heard that but it looks like I dont have one of them now.

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Janet Wilder - 28 Jan 2006 19:31 GMT
>>> though I meant that both of us shower that way, we do have a big shower
>>> in the master suite <vbg>
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> Yeah! I heard that but it looks like I dont have one of them now.

A shower or a friend?

J

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William Boyd - 28 Jan 2006 21:21 GMT
>>>> though I meant that both of us shower that way, we do have a big shower
>>>> in the master suite <vbg>
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> J

Got a nice new shower!

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GBinNC - 28 Jan 2006 21:31 GMT
>> though I meant that both of us shower that way, we do have a big shower
>> in the master suite <vbg>
>>
>> Janet, blushing a little.

>Hey, what you do in private is your business. Hasn't anyone heard to save
>water, shower with a friend.

C'mon now, it's not like I was being critical....

GB in NC
Jim Redelfs - 29 Jan 2006 03:35 GMT
> to save water, shower with a friend.

It doesn't save any water.   <sigh>

As a solo undertaking, when I shower it is FAST.  When showering with <ahem> a
friend, the shower takes MUCH longer!

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Janet Wilder - 30 Jan 2006 01:11 GMT
>>to save water, shower with a friend.
>
> It doesn't save any water.   <sigh>
>
> As a solo undertaking, when I shower it is FAST.  When showering with <ahem> a
> friend, the shower takes MUCH longer!

That's been my experience, too. <v,vbg>

J

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Tom  J - 23 Jan 2006 20:43 GMT
> We don't have a brother to take care of our mail. We pay Escapees an
> extra few dollars per year and they throw away anything that is not
> first class and all catalogues. (the extra cost is made up in
> spending less on postage) Our bills are also paid on credit cards,
> but our little rural water company doesn't have a web site or accept
> credit cards. We need the bill.

You don't really need the bill. For years our water company didn't
have debit pay. so, since we knew what the average bill was per month,
before we left on an extended trip, we just wrote a check totaling
what it would be . The only thing we ever heard from them was, on 1
trip we were away 6 consecutive months and they wanted to set up a
date to switch out the meter because it had "quit working" :-)
They now have debit pay available so that's the way we do it. The only
checks we write now are for tax bills.

Tom J
Janet Wilder - 24 Jan 2006 21:07 GMT
Tom J wrote:

>>We don't have a brother to take care of our mail. We pay Escapees an
>>extra few dollars per year and they throw away anything that is not
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> Tom J

Wells Fargo pays the taxes for us with the mortgage. The only
house-related check we have is the water bill and that's paid via
on-line banking. I'm going to try setting up a payment for them when we
take the next long trip.

J

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Tom  J - 24 Jan 2006 21:13 GMT
> Tom J wrote:
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> Wells Fargo pays the taxes for us with the mortgage.

We haven't had a house mortgage in 30 years! Haven't had a vehicle
mortgage in over 20 years. Wouldn't know how to handle that. ;-)
At our advanced age, we pay cash or don't buy!

Tom J
Janet Wilder - 24 Jan 2006 22:04 GMT
Tom J wrote:
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> We haven't had a house mortgage in 30 years! Haven't had a vehicle
> mortgage in over 20 years. Wouldn't know how to handle that. ;-)
> At our advanced age, we pay cash or don't buy!
>
> Tom J

We didn't have a house mortgage or vehicle payments for 9 years while we
fulltimed. Though we live in the house, we think of it as an investment.
 It's nice to have some tax deductions for a change. <g>

J

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William Boyd - 24 Jan 2006 22:29 GMT
Tom J wrote:

> We haven't had a house mortgage in 30 years! Haven't had a vehicle
> mortgage in over 20 years. Wouldn't know how to handle that. ;-)
> At our advanced age, we pay cash or don't buy!
>
> Tom J

Yeah! I am beginning to get familiar with that system too, they call it
to old to charge. They will have such a high amount of collateral
requirement so they are assured to get their investment back if we kick
the bucket.  ;-)

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Janet Wilder - 24 Jan 2006 22:44 GMT
> Tom J wrote:
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> requirement so they are assured to get their investment back if we kick
> the bucket.  ;-)

Don't know about that. I got a discount at Home Depot for opening a
charge card with them when I bought some window shades. They gave  me
$20,000 worth of instant credit!! I haven't worked since early 1996.

We did pay cash for out motorhome (insurance proceeds) and Barry's '96
Mustang convertible, but we have a loan for the Honda. We are blessed
with a financial advisor who does wonders with our money without putting
it at high risk. I'd rather pay the teeny interest that Honda wants and
let him put our cash to better use.

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