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First Cross Country trip!!!!!
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Sam Jr - 21 Jan 2006 04:05 GMT ok...going to be heading west in June. starting in NC and roundtripping to Burbank to visit an uncle. Wanted to ask for any advice.
Sites not to miss? Time needed to not be rushed and wore out? Any good sites to help plan the trip?
Any advice would be helpful. I am an experienced RVer with several north south trips under my belt but never out west.
TIA
Sam 34' 1996 Gulfstream Sun Voyager (19 k miles)
southwest2 - 21 Jan 2006 16:22 GMT Sites not to miss? Time needed to not be rushed and wore out? Any good sites to help plan the trip? Any advice would be helpful. I am an experienced RVer with several north south trips under my belt but never out west. TIA Sam 34' 1996 Gulfstream Sun Voyager (19 k miles)
Hi..... since no one answered your question and I live in New Mexico, you might want to see some of the Native American Indian Pueblos, Carlsbad Caverns, lots of ruins, Santa Fe, and of course you maybe going by the Petrified Forest, Grand Canyon on I-40 West into Az. Lots of good State campgrounds in New Mexico which I think has 28. Happy Traveling,' Judy
Tom J - 21 Jan 2006 19:04 GMT > Hi..... since no one answered your question That request was with such a broad stroke, there was no way I could reply. We've been back and forth east & west literally hundreds of times over the past 30+ years & are still finding new areas to see and visit. Making another trip west in March and east in April & will be visiting more new places. Most people just don't realize how many thousands of square miles are in this country!
Tom J
William Boyd - 21 Jan 2006 19:44 GMT Tom J wrote:
>>Hi..... since no one answered your question > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Tom J I doubt that I would have any problem with seeing unfamiliar sights on any trip. I have found that the older I get the shorter my memory is. Of course this is something that I have always heard about. There are advantages to it in things like film libraries. I have nearly 400 movies in my DVD/VHS library, the older I got naturally the more movies that would accumulate. Then I found that I had enough that I could watch one and have hardly no recollection of seeing it in the past. But where there are good points always comes the bad ones as well. Try going in to WalMart or K-Mart and buy a movie that you do not already have, impossible unless you have a list of those you do have. Now if any one in WalMart or K-Mart sees an old geezer with a long list of movies that he keeps looking at, that might be me.
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Rich - 21 Jan 2006 23:23 GMT >ok...going to be heading west in June. starting in NC and roundtripping to >Burbank to visit an uncle. Wanted to ask for any advice. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >Sam >34' 1996 Gulfstream Sun Voyager (19 k miles) sam, how much time do you have? i would absolutely not miss the black hills in south dakota, yellowstone, grand teton NP and the grand canyon. if you're planning a round trip from NC to burbank ca and back i would allow at least 8-10 weeks to not feel rushed but we've done the trip i describe above in 3 from chicago...but that was rushed. now that we're retired we'd so the same trip in no less than 8.
depends on what you like, sam. history? scenic beauty? fishing? if you can be a little more specific then maybe some of us can offer better suggestions.
73, rich, n9dko
Jon Porter - 22 Jan 2006 03:25 GMT > ok...going to be heading west in June. starting in NC and roundtripping > to Burbank to visit an uncle. Wanted to ask for any advice. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Any advice would be helpful. I am an experienced RVer with several north > south trips under my belt but never out west. What is your intended route for this trip? If you don't know yet, then at least break it down by state, and figure on what roads you might take through them. Then people here can make suggestions about what's in those areas that you'll be passing through. You're headed to Burbank Illinois?
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Unk - 23 Jan 2006 04:24 GMT >> Any advice would be helpful. I am an experienced RVer with several north >> south trips under my belt but never out west. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >through them. Then people here can make suggestions about what's in those >areas that you'll be passing through. You're headed to Burbank Illinois? What we do is define our farthest reach. Then we look at the places we absolutely want to see on the way. BTW, we do not re-travel routes unless necessary.
We then put the aforementioned places into the MS Streets & Trips and let it plan the basic drive. Then I break it up into 250-300 mile segments with 3 days stop minimuim at each. We also allocate 3-4 days at each 'must see'. I try to pick stops with an RV park either PPA, RPI or C2C and can do so most of the time.
Then we refine the stops and days to fit. This has worked for us the last two years and I am about half way through planning this year's run.
At each regular stop, we try to take at least on day trip to explore the area. Almost all stops have noteworthy sites in a day's drive.
Should we come to an area where we want to wpwnd more time, we dog rob or just allocate more time. we always have a beginning and end dae in mind so we can base everything on that.
This year,, my rough plans came within 7 days of the end point so I know I have a week to play with!
Works for us.
Unk
John Andrews - 22 Jan 2006 03:39 GMT > ok...going to be heading west in June. starting in NC and roundtripping to > Burbank to visit an uncle. Wanted to ask for any advice. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Sam > 34' 1996 Gulfstream Sun Voyager (19 k miles) Wife and I went to Calif 2 years ago. Took a lot of planning and decisions along the way. Decide which route to take and that has to consider weather, especially in the deserts and across the mountains. We chose to go through the Black Hills, so that set our general route. We then selected places to spend the night for a day or two or more and saw the sights along the way. We had a great time and ended up in Sacramento (Sister's 50th wedding anniversary), then went to San Diego (fires) and came back through the southern route. 11 weeks all told and more than 1000 pictures.
Man! I have never told this story in so few words.
Do take your time and smell the roses. Do go out of your way once in a while. Do go back and see the sight you passed by, then regreted it. 200 miles a day should do it when traveling, but not every day.
Have fun, and keep us informed of what you plan.
John Andrews, Knoxville, Tennessee
minicooper - 22 Jan 2006 04:28 GMT if you're coming to california, after visiting burbank, maybe you could head up hwy 1 along the pacific ocean ... all the way up to big sur, carmel, monterey. beautiful country if you can make it in your rv!
>> ok...going to be heading west in June. starting in NC and roundtripping >> to Burbank to visit an uncle. Wanted to ask for any advice. [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > > John Andrews, Knoxville, Tennessee Sam Jr - 22 Jan 2006 04:34 GMT >> ok...going to be heading west in June. starting in NC and roundtripping >> to Burbank to visit an uncle. Wanted to ask for any advice. [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > > John Andrews, Knoxville, Tennesse Well I wish I had 8 weeks. I am still a working stiff and have about 19 days max so I may have to think this through. We did some cross country as a kid so I was going to share that experireence with my girls (9 &13)
We were thinking of taking the general route of I-40 all the way. Then come back through Denver then St Louis and back home.
sorry to have been so vague but I was kinda in a hurry the other night when I posted.
The comment about this being a huge country hit home when I flew to San Francisco a few months ago . It was crystal clear from the Mississippi to Ca and it blew my mind how many miles of 'badlands' there are out there.
Thanks for all the tips and bear with me as we figure this trip out.
TIA
Jon Porter - 22 Jan 2006 17:37 GMT > We were thinking of taking the general route of I-40 all the way. Then > come back through Denver then St Louis and back home. Ok. When you get to Oklahoma City, take time for the Will Rogers museum. Nashville is also full of stuff to see and do, depending on your tastes; same with Memphis. If you are picking up I 40 near Ashville, then consider a 2 hour trip up the Blue Ridge Parkway to the top of Mt Mitchell, it one of the prettiest stretches of the BRP.
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Chris Cowles - 22 Jan 2006 19:07 GMT > Well I wish I had 8 weeks. I am still a working stiff and have about 19 > days max so I may have to think this through. That's a REALLY short time for a "cross-country" trip. It seems to me that most of your time will be spent on the highway.
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Rich - 22 Jan 2006 20:43 GMT >>> ok...going to be heading west in June. starting in NC and roundtripping >>> to Burbank to visit an uncle. Wanted to ask for any advice. [quoted text clipped - 48 lines] > >TIA 19 days less whatever time you're spending with your uncle is not a lot of time. based on 19-days you're not gonna have a lot of time to go too far off of that route. figure you've got a good 5-6 day drive each way. that leaves you with 7-10 days with your uncle, more or less depending on your tolerence for your uncle ;o). doesn't leave a lot of time for sightseeing unless you can stay close to the route. less time with uncle joe means more time sightseeing. how much do you REALLY want to see uncle joe? ;o)
i-40 will take you thru nashville, memphis, little rock, ok city, amarillo, albuquerque and, flagstaff.
if you like country music you should stop in nashville and see the country music hall of fame and museum. allow a minimum of 3-4 hours for that. you can do it faster but you'll miss a lot of the flavor. if you haven't see the grand ole opry you should do that also. they have 2 shows on saturdays, 1 on friday and usually one show during the week, tuesdays i think, during the summer. www.opry.com will have the schedule.
i'd also make time to see the murrah federal building memorial in oklahoma city and the museum next door. the memorial is very moving and something everyone should see and experience so we do not forget what happened. allow about an hour for the memorial and 3-4 hours for the museum. in one part of the museum you'll be taken into a meeting room where a tape recording of an oklahoma water commission meeting will be played. the commission was meeting in a nearby building when the bomb went off. you'll hear the explosion and experience what it was like to be an ear witness to the event.
flagstaff is just south of the grand canyon and would not be too far of a detour for you. you'll also pass right by the painted desert and petrified forest np off of 1-40. i believe the pfnp is at exit 311 and i think there is a loop road thru the park. it took us 8 hours to go thru the park but then we tend to crawl thru those places. you should be able to see the park in 1-2 hours easily.
at exit 233 on i-40 is the meteor crater http://www.meteorcrater.com. i think its privately owned but it is a fun stop. i'd allow about 1-2 hours. there is an rv park nearby.
you should do all of the touristy things while in socal. a trip down to san diego, see a couple of tv shows being filmed although many may be on hiatus in june. when we were there many moons ago we had no toruble scoring free tickets to all sorts of shows being taped but getting tix to the good stuff like leno or wheel of fortune can be difficult. you should write or call ahead now for those tix. don't miss the farmer's market, la brea tar pits, the hollywood walk of fame (watch out for the hookers ;o)), etc.
the hearst castle (http://www.hearstcastle.com/) is about 5 hours north of la at san simeon. you wanna see opulence...see hearst castle.
try to see a dodger game at dodge stadium. their home dates in june are 1-7, 20-25. a bad day at any baseball park is better then any other day. ;o)
your trip home via 1-15 and i-70 will take you thru las vegas, denver, topeka, kc, st. louis, indianapolis, dayton and harrisburg, pa. personally, i'd go farther north on i-15 to i-90 and come back home that way. it'd take you farther north than you probably want but you'd be going home thru some might pretty country and be able to see little bighorn battlefield, devils tower, the black hills, mount rushmore, spearfish canyon, wall drug, badlands np, the strategic air command museum outside of rapid city and more. but time is precious.
along i-15/i-70 i'd take a run thru rocky mountain np. if you've never been you should do this. be sure to ask if a 34' MH might be a stretch on some of the park roads as its been a lonnnng time since we drive thru the park. if you have a toad it will be a piece of cake. estes park is a tourist trap as are most towns situated outside national parks (keystone, gatlinburg, etc). but once in the park the pain that is estes park will become worthwhile. your kids will love estes park. if you traverse the park from west to east you won't double back on yourself.
buffalo bill's gravesite is located near golden, co (http://www.buffalobill.org/), about 30 miles or so west of denver off i-70.
there is a wonderful hot springs at glenwood springs, co (http://www.hotspringspool.com/), about 70 miles west of denver off i-70. doc holliday is also buried in glenwood springs. he died there in his sleep from TB (http://www.fpcc.net/~sgrimm/doc_holliday.htm). the hot springs and pool is a great way to relax and de-stress.
i'd also make a stop in st. jo, missouri to see the pony express musemn. its not too far off of i-70. allow about an hour.
the st. louis zoo is world renowned as is the muny opera (http://www.muny.org/). don't think of this as just opera. they do all sorts of musicals. its an outdoor theatre in beautiful forest park and there's nothing like spending a night there under the stars.
in dayton a must see if the us air force museum at wright-pat air force base (http://www.wpafb.af.mil/museum/). there are hundreds of aircraft from all eras in several buidlings. they also have an imax theatre that is a must see. there are additional aircraft in an annex which is accessible only by shuttle bus. the bus is free, as i recall, but since 9/11 each passenger over 18 needs a photo id. you can do this museum in 4 hours but it always takes us longer. the koa outside of dayton (actually in brookville) is pricey but quiet and clean.
top off the trip with a visit to chocolate town in hershey, pa (http://www.hersheypa.com/). its not too far off of i-70 just a bit east of harrisburg. i'd allow 1-2 hours. there is a nearby rv park.
good luck and have a great time.
73, rich, n9dko
John Andrews - 23 Jan 2006 05:16 GMT > ok...going to be heading west in June. starting in NC and roundtripping to > Burbank to visit an uncle. Wanted to ask for any advice. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Sam > 34' 1996 Gulfstream Sun Voyager (19 k miles) Sam,
It looks like your proposed trip is a lot to chew in only 19 days. I did a trip estimate using Rand McNally Tripmaker and it looks like you will do about 9800 miles with 150 hours on the road driving, doing over 500 miles per day at an average speed of 65 mph. This is unrealistic far per day and impossible as an average speed. 35 mph is more like an average speed for this long a trip.
Cost wise you are looking at over $500 for lodging, although you can cut some of this by staying about 1/2 the time in free camping facilities like Flying J or Wal*Mart parking lots. Expect to pay about $400 for food, between $400 and $500 for entertainment (if you have time for any), and about $400 to 500 for purchases. Fuel is the big cost, assuming 7 mpg and $2.25 for fuel you will have a bill of over $3000. My total estimate is over $5000.
Looking at these figures makes it apparent to me that all the benefits of the RV travel style are absent because you must spend so much time in travel. I did include a bunch of "typical" stopovers to take in the sights, so that is figured into the calcs. A stopover is a short duration stop, not an overnight.
I have two suggestions: 1) Fly to California and take in the sights; and 2) Don't go as far or as fast and enjoy the trip in the RV. Maybe even fly and with the money left over from the hypothetical trip, take in the Blue Ridge Parkway and Biltmore with a day or two in Asheville.
My best wishes and good luck on your trip. Keep us informed...
John Andrews, Knoxville, Tennessee (2005 was around Lake Superior)
Rich256 - 23 Jan 2006 15:50 GMT > > ok...going to be heading west in June. starting in NC and roundtripping to > > Burbank to visit an uncle. Wanted to ask for any advice. [quoted text clipped - 47 lines] > John Andrews, Knoxville, Tennessee > (2005 was around Lake Superior) I agree. Forget the RV. Fly, take a train or Bus. Speed, especially in the mountains is slow. An RV slows you down all the way.
Sam Jr - 24 Jan 2006 00:08 GMT How do you come up with that many miles? I put it in to Rand too and if i go I-40 all the way and then come back through Denver and St Louis it only comes out at about 4800 from Hickory , NC.
I am leaning toward not doing the RV trip as suggested. We live 45 minutes from the Blue Ridge Parkway so I have done that too many times. Thanks for all the input.
>> > ok...going to be heading west in June. starting in NC and >> > roundtripping [quoted text clipped - 53 lines] > I agree. Forget the RV. Fly, take a train or Bus. Speed, especially in > the mountains is slow. An RV slows you down all the way. GBinNC - 24 Jan 2006 00:44 GMT >How do you come up with that many miles? I put it in to Rand too and if i >go I-40 all the way and then come back through Denver and St Louis it only >comes out at about 4800 from Hickory , NC. Agreed.
Just out of curiosity, I checked the one-way distance from Hickory to Burbank and got 2380 miles (about 40-41 hrs driving time).
I could easily do that round-trip in 19 days. But then, I LOVE to drive.
GB in NC
FLiP - 24 Jan 2006 03:11 GMT Sam Jr. posted "How do you come up with that many miles? I put it in to Rand too and if i go I-40 all the way and then come back through Denver and St Louis it only comes out at about 4800 from Hickory , NC."
Sam I did a 6 day trip from York PA. to Penrose CO. just south of Colorado Springs and logged around 4,000 miles using I70 to 24 and back the same route. So I would question that 4,800 miles. Trip out was 40 hours and 36 hours back, elapsed time not just drive time, one driver who likes to drive.
Sam Jr - 24 Jan 2006 03:09 GMT > Sam Jr. posted > "How do you come up with that many miles? I put it in to Rand too and if [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > hours back, elapsed time not just drive time, one driver who likes to > drive. Well Mr Rand says its 1691 miles for that trip and 27 hours drive time. They are never correct but the miles should be close. I wonder how accurate our odometers are......probably won on the lowest bid...at the factory. Thanks for the info.
Unk - 24 Jan 2006 18:24 GMT On Mon, 23 Jan 2006 22:09:07 -0500, "Sam Jr" e.
>Well Mr Rand says its 1691 miles for that trip and 27 hours drive time. >They are never correct but the miles should be close. I wonder how accurate >our odometers are......probably won on the lowest bid...at the factory. >Thanks for the info. I plotted an 11,000 mile trip in MS S&T in 2004. After all was said and done and re-routing for 2 plan changes, my actuals came within 23 miles of the program's predicted.
I took that to be due to gas stops and a couple "ooops, wrong turn" corrections.
unk
FLiP - 25 Jan 2006 02:54 GMT Sam I just tried the trip planner on the Good Sam sight and came up with 2366 miles one way with a drive time 39 hrs 16 min. and an estimated fuel cost of $684.87 for mid range gas at 8.5 mpg. It kept you on I 40 for the first 2250 of the 2366 miles. When I used the Good Sam site for the trip to CO, it had the miles and time pegged. Of course it can not plan for your being stuck on a shut down interstate for 3 hours as what happened to us in Kansas City on the way out.
Just another reference for you.
Frank Tabor - 24 Jan 2006 04:19 GMT >How do you come up with that many miles? I put it in to Rand too and if i >go I-40 all the way and then come back through Denver and St Louis it only [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >from the Blue Ridge Parkway so I have done that too many times. Thanks for >all the input. Street Atlas says it's 5451 miles and 95 hours. At 10 hours a day driving, that's 10 day just driving. All Interstate.
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John Andrews - 24 Jan 2006 04:27 GMT Could be the calc is wrong in RMc. I didn't double check it. I did put in some incidental side trips, so that should add some, but my number sure looks high, now that I look at it.
John Andrews, Knoxville, Tennessee
> How do you come up with that many miles? I put it in to Rand too and if i > go I-40 all the way and then come back through Denver and St Louis it only [quoted text clipped - 65 lines] >>I agree. Forget the RV. Fly, take a train or Bus. Speed, especially in >>the mountains is slow. An RV slows you down all the way. John Andrews - 24 Jan 2006 04:35 GMT I went back and looked. That trip was doubled. Sorry. You should only need to go half the distance that I suggested. The other costs remain the same because they are based on days on the road, not miles. Anyway, If you have the trip program, you can do the calcs and make a reasonable decision.
My mea culpas.
John Andrews, Knoxville, Tennessee
> How do you come up with that many miles? I put it in to Rand too and if i > go I-40 all the way and then come back through Denver and St Louis it only [quoted text clipped - 65 lines] >>I agree. Forget the RV. Fly, take a train or Bus. Speed, especially in >>the mountains is slow. An RV slows you down all the way. William Boyd - 24 Jan 2006 04:55 GMT > I went back and looked. That trip was doubled. Sorry. You should only > need to go half the distance that I suggested. The other costs remain [quoted text clipped - 76 lines] >>> especially in >>> the mountains is slow. An RV slows you down all the way. I guess you expected him to Walk Across Texas. ;-)
BILL P & DOG
Dave in Lake Villa - 25 Jan 2006 03:40 GMT 'any advice. Sites not to miss? Time needed to not be rushed and wore out? Any good sites to help plan the trip? Any advice would be helpful. I am an experienced RVer with several north south trips under my belt but never out west. TIA Sam'
REPLY: Lots of interesting things to do in and around Tucson, AZ : The Biosphere, Sabino Canyon, Mt. Lemmon, Colossal Cave tour, Kitt Peak National Observatory, Old Tucson (if its been rebuilt from a major fire), Minuteman Missle Silo Tour underground to see the control center and unarmed missile, and 'A' Mountain at sunset for breathtaking pictures of Tucson lights coming on.
Dave's an a**hole - 25 Jan 2006 16:39 GMT And you're never been to any of them have ya, ya moron? Bet you read about them in books, just like you're read all about marriage, raising kids, and maintaining friends in those fundy books and tapes...
None of which you ever have done worth for sh.t......ya divorced, childless, friendless delusional freak
HeatMan - 26 Jan 2006 22:45 GMT > And you're never been to any of them have ya, ya moron? > Bet you read about them in books, just like you're read all about [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > None of which you ever have done worth for sh.t......ya divorced, > childless, friendless delusional freak You forgot the pedophilia....
dave in Lake Villa - 26 Jan 2006 00:48 GMT any advice. Sites not to miss? Time needed to not be rushed and wore out? Any good sites to help plan the trip? Any advice would be helpful. I am an experienced RVer with several north south trips under my belt but never out west.
REPLY: I almost forgot to mention a gay dude ranch i stopped by for a week in Arizona a long time ago. Will try to find the name as i should still have the bathrobe i purchased there.
Dave
canoli@sbcglobal.net - 26 Jan 2006 06:12 GMT >any advice. >Sites not to miss? Boys Town, I believe it's in Nebraska.
Canoli
wingnut - 26 Jan 2006 06:16 GMT <canoli@sbcglobal.net> wrote "\
> <daveinlakevilla@hotmail.com> wrote: > >>any advice. >>Sites not to miss? > > Boys Town, I believe it's in Nebraska. Wrong - It's in that little Mexican Border Town.
-- wingnut
canoli@sbcglobal.net - 26 Jan 2006 23:36 GMT > <canoli@sbcglobal.net> wrote "\ >> <daveinlakevilla@hotmail.com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >Wrong - It's in that little Mexican Border Town. Wherever it is, Dave will undoubtedly have a ball.
Canoli
Unk - 28 Jan 2006 03:23 GMT >Wherever it is, Dave will undoubtedly have a ball. > >Canoli One cannibal said to another, "How you doing?" The other responded, "I'm having a ball!" The first said, "You are eating too fast!"
William Boyd - 28 Jan 2006 03:36 GMT >>Wherever it is, Dave will undoubtedly have a ball. >> >>Canoli > > One cannibal said to another, "How you doing?" The other responded, > "I'm having a ball!" The first said, "You are eating too fast!" I think I might have missed the funny part. Tell it over again and slower this time so I dont miss the punch line. ;-)
 Signature BILL P. Just Dog & ME
Ken Harrison - 28 Jan 2006 07:47 GMT > One cannibal said to another, "How you doing?" The other responded, > "I'm having a ball!" The first said, "You are eating too fast!" And then, of course, there was the happy Roman cannibal that was gladiator.
KH
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