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First Cross Country trip!!!!!

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Sam Jr - 21 Jan 2006 04:05 GMT
ok...going to be heading west in June.  starting in NC and roundtripping to
Burbank to visit an uncle.  Wanted to ask for any advice.

Sites not to miss?
Time needed to not be rushed and wore out?
Any good sites to help plan the trip?

Any advice would be helpful.  I am an experienced RVer with several north
south trips under my belt but never out west.

TIA

Sam
34' 1996 Gulfstream Sun Voyager (19 k miles)
southwest2 - 21 Jan 2006 16:22 GMT
Sites not to miss?
Time needed to not be rushed and wore out? Any good sites to help plan
the trip?
Any advice would be helpful. I am an experienced RVer with several north
south trips under my belt but never out west.
TIA
Sam
34' 1996 Gulfstream Sun Voyager (19 k miles)

Hi..... since no one answered your question and I live in New Mexico,
you might want to see some of the Native American Indian Pueblos,
Carlsbad Caverns,  lots of ruins, Santa Fe, and of course you maybe
going by the Petrified Forest, Grand Canyon on I-40 West into Az.
Lots of good State campgrounds in New Mexico which I think has 28.
Happy Traveling,'
Judy
Tom  J - 21 Jan 2006 19:04 GMT
> Hi..... since no one answered your question

That request was with such a broad stroke, there was no way I could
reply. We've been back and forth east & west literally hundreds of
times over the past 30+ years & are still finding new areas to see and
visit. Making another trip west in March and east in April & will be
visiting more new places. Most people just don't realize how many
thousands of square miles are in this country!

Tom J
William Boyd - 21 Jan 2006 19:44 GMT
Tom J wrote:

>>Hi..... since no one answered your question
>
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> Tom J

I doubt that I would have any problem with seeing unfamiliar sights on
any trip. I have found that the older I get the shorter my memory is. Of
course this is something that I have always heard about. There are
advantages to it in things like film libraries. I have nearly 400 movies
in my DVD/VHS library, the older I got naturally the more movies that
would accumulate. Then I found that I had enough that I could watch one
and have hardly no recollection of seeing it in the past. But where
there are good points always comes the bad ones as well. Try going in to
WalMart or K-Mart and buy a movie that you do not already have,
impossible unless you have a list of those you do have. Now if any one
in WalMart or K-Mart sees an old geezer with a long list of movies that
he keeps looking at, that might be me.

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Rich - 21 Jan 2006 23:23 GMT
>ok...going to be heading west in June.  starting in NC and roundtripping to
>Burbank to visit an uncle.  Wanted to ask for any advice.
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>Sam
>34' 1996 Gulfstream Sun Voyager (19 k miles)

sam, how much time do you have?  i would absolutely not miss the black
hills in south dakota, yellowstone, grand teton NP and the grand
canyon.  if you're planning a round trip from NC to burbank ca and
back i would allow at least 8-10 weeks to not feel rushed but we've
done the trip i describe above in 3 from chicago...but that was
rushed.  now that we're retired we'd so the same trip in no less than
8.  

depends on what you like, sam.  history?  scenic beauty?  fishing?  if
you can be a little more specific then maybe some of us can offer
better suggestions.

73,
rich, n9dko
Jon Porter - 22 Jan 2006 03:25 GMT
> ok...going to be heading west in June.  starting in NC and roundtripping
> to Burbank to visit an uncle.  Wanted to ask for any advice.
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> Any advice would be helpful.  I am an experienced RVer with several north
> south trips under my belt but never out west.

What is your intended route for this trip? If you don't know yet, then at
least break it down by state, and figure on what roads you might take
through them. Then people here can make suggestions about what's in those
areas that you'll be passing through. You're headed to Burbank Illinois?
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Unk - 23 Jan 2006 04:24 GMT
>> Any advice would be helpful.  I am an experienced RVer with several north
>> south trips under my belt but never out west.
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>through them. Then people here can make suggestions about what's in those
>areas that you'll be passing through. You're headed to Burbank Illinois?

What we do is define our farthest reach.  Then we look at the places
we absolutely want to see on the way.  BTW, we do not re-travel routes
unless necessary.

We then put the aforementioned places into the MS Streets & Trips and
let it plan the basic drive.  Then I break it up into 250-300 mile
segments with 3 days stop minimuim at each.  We also allocate 3-4 days
at each 'must see'.  I try to pick stops with an RV park either PPA,
RPI or C2C and can do so most of the time.

Then we refine the stops and days to fit.  This has worked for us the
last two years and I am about half way through planning this year's
run.

At each regular stop, we try to take at least on day trip to explore
the area.  Almost all stops have noteworthy sites in a day's drive.  

Should we come to an area where we want to wpwnd more time, we dog rob
or just allocate more time.  we always have a beginning and end dae in
mind so we can base everything on that.

This year,, my rough plans came within 7 days of the end point so I
know I have a week to play with!

Works for us.

Unk
John Andrews - 22 Jan 2006 03:39 GMT
> ok...going to be heading west in June.  starting in NC and roundtripping to
> Burbank to visit an uncle.  Wanted to ask for any advice.
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> Sam
> 34' 1996 Gulfstream Sun Voyager (19 k miles)

Wife and I went to Calif 2 years ago.  Took a lot of planning
and decisions along the way.  Decide which route to take and
that has to consider weather, especially in the deserts and
across the mountains.  We chose to go through the Black Hills,
so that set our general route.  We then selected places to spend
the night for a day or two or more and saw the sights along the
way.  We had a great time and ended up in Sacramento (Sister's
50th wedding anniversary), then went to San Diego (fires) and
came back through the southern route.  11 weeks all told and
more than 1000 pictures.

Man! I have never told this story in so few words.

Do take your time and smell the roses.  Do go out of your way
once in a while.  Do go back and see the sight you passed by,
then regreted it.  200 miles a day should do it when traveling,
but not every day.

Have fun, and keep us informed of what you plan.

John Andrews, Knoxville, Tennessee
minicooper - 22 Jan 2006 04:28 GMT
if you're coming to california, after visiting burbank, maybe you could head
up hwy 1 along the pacific ocean ... all the way up to big sur, carmel,
monterey.  beautiful country if you can make it in your rv!

>> ok...going to be heading west in June.  starting in NC and roundtripping
>> to Burbank to visit an uncle.  Wanted to ask for any advice.
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>
> John Andrews, Knoxville, Tennessee
Sam Jr - 22 Jan 2006 04:34 GMT
>> ok...going to be heading west in June.  starting in NC and roundtripping
>> to Burbank to visit an uncle.  Wanted to ask for any advice.
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>
> John Andrews, Knoxville, Tennesse

Well  I wish I had 8 weeks.  I am still a working stiff and have about 19
days max so I may have to think this through.  We did some cross country as
a kid so I was going to share that experireence with my girls (9 &13)

We were thinking of taking the general route of I-40 all the way. Then come
back through Denver then St Louis and back home.

sorry to have been so vague but I was kinda in a hurry the other night when
I posted.

The comment about this being a huge country hit home when I flew to San
Francisco a few months ago .  It was crystal clear from the Mississippi to
Ca and it blew my mind how many miles of 'badlands' there are out there.

Thanks for all the tips and bear with me as we figure this trip out.

TIA
Jon Porter - 22 Jan 2006 17:37 GMT
> We were thinking of taking the general route of I-40 all the way. Then
> come back through Denver then St Louis and back home.

Ok. When you get to Oklahoma City, take time for the Will Rogers museum.
Nashville is also full of stuff to see and do, depending on your tastes;
same with Memphis. If you are picking up I 40 near Ashville, then consider a
2 hour trip up the Blue Ridge Parkway to the top of Mt Mitchell, it one of
the prettiest stretches of the BRP.
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Chris Cowles - 22 Jan 2006 19:07 GMT
> Well  I wish I had 8 weeks.  I am still a working stiff and have about 19
> days max so I may have to think this through.

That's a REALLY short time for a "cross-country" trip. It seems to me that
most of your time will be spent on the highway.
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Gainesville, FL

Rich - 22 Jan 2006 20:43 GMT
>>> ok...going to be heading west in June.  starting in NC and roundtripping
>>> to Burbank to visit an uncle.  Wanted to ask for any advice.
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>
>TIA

19 days less whatever time you're spending with your uncle is not a
lot of time.   based on 19-days you're not gonna have a lot of time to
go too far off of that route.  figure you've got a good 5-6 day drive
each way.  that leaves you with 7-10 days with your uncle, more or
less depending on your tolerence for your uncle ;o).  doesn't leave a
lot of time for sightseeing unless you can stay close to the route.
less time with uncle joe means more time sightseeing.  how much do you
REALLY want to see uncle joe?  ;o)

i-40 will take you thru nashville, memphis, little rock, ok city,
amarillo, albuquerque and, flagstaff.  

if you like country music you should stop in nashville and see the
country music hall of fame and museum.  allow a minimum of 3-4 hours
for that.  you can do it faster but you'll miss a lot of the flavor.
if you haven't see the grand ole opry you should do that also.  they
have 2 shows on saturdays, 1 on friday and usually one show during the
week, tuesdays i think, during the summer.  www.opry.com will have the
schedule.

i'd also make time to see the murrah federal building memorial in
oklahoma city and the museum next door.  the memorial is very moving
and something everyone should see and experience so we do not forget
what happened.  allow about an hour for the memorial and 3-4 hours for
the museum.  in one part of the museum you'll be taken into a meeting
room where a tape recording of an oklahoma water commission meeting
will be played.  the commission was meeting in a nearby building when
the bomb went off.  you'll hear the explosion and experience what it
was like to be an ear witness to the event.  

flagstaff is just south of the grand canyon and would not be too far
of a detour for you.  you'll also pass right by the painted desert and
petrified forest np off of 1-40.  i believe the pfnp is at exit 311
and i think there is a loop road thru the park.  it took us 8 hours to
go thru the park but then we tend to crawl thru those places.  you
should be able to see the park in 1-2 hours easily.

at exit 233 on i-40 is the meteor crater  http://www.meteorcrater.com.
i think its privately owned but it is a fun stop.  i'd allow about 1-2
hours.  there is an rv park nearby.

you should do all of the touristy things while in socal.  a trip down
to san diego, see a couple of tv shows being filmed although many may
be on hiatus in june.  when we were there many moons ago we had no
toruble scoring free tickets to all sorts of shows being taped but
getting tix to the good stuff like leno or wheel of fortune can be
difficult.  you should write or call ahead now for those tix.  don't
miss the farmer's market, la brea tar pits, the hollywood walk of fame
(watch out for the hookers ;o)), etc.  

the hearst castle (http://www.hearstcastle.com/) is about 5 hours
north of la at san simeon.  you wanna see opulence...see hearst
castle.

try to see a dodger game at dodge stadium.  their home dates in june
are 1-7, 20-25.  a bad day at any baseball park is better then any
other day.  ;o)

your trip home via 1-15 and i-70 will take you thru las vegas, denver,
topeka, kc, st. louis, indianapolis, dayton and harrisburg, pa.
personally, i'd go farther north on i-15 to i-90 and come back home
that way.  it'd take you farther north than you probably want but
you'd be going home thru some might pretty country and be able to see
little bighorn battlefield, devils tower, the black hills, mount
rushmore, spearfish canyon, wall drug, badlands np, the strategic air
command museum outside of rapid city and more.  but time is precious.

along i-15/i-70 i'd take a run thru rocky mountain np.  if you've
never been you should do this.  be sure to ask if a 34' MH might be a
stretch on some of the park roads as its been a lonnnng time since we
drive thru the park.  if you have a toad it will be a piece of cake.
estes park is a tourist trap as are most towns situated outside
national parks (keystone, gatlinburg, etc). but once in the park the
pain that is estes park will become worthwhile.  your kids will love
estes park.  if you traverse the park from west to east you won't
double back on yourself.  

buffalo bill's gravesite is located near golden, co
(http://www.buffalobill.org/), about 30 miles or so west of denver off
i-70.  

there is a wonderful hot springs at glenwood springs, co
(http://www.hotspringspool.com/), about 70 miles west of denver off
i-70.  doc holliday is also buried in glenwood springs.  he died there
in his sleep from TB (http://www.fpcc.net/~sgrimm/doc_holliday.htm).
the hot springs and pool is a great way to relax and de-stress.  

i'd also make a stop in st. jo, missouri to see the pony express
musemn.  its not too far off of i-70.  allow about an hour.  

the st. louis zoo is world renowned as is the muny opera
(http://www.muny.org/).  don't think of this as just opera.  they do
all sorts of musicals.  its an outdoor theatre in beautiful forest
park and there's nothing like spending a night there under the stars.

in dayton a must see if the us air force museum at wright-pat air
force base (http://www.wpafb.af.mil/museum/).  there are hundreds of
aircraft from all eras in several buidlings.  they also have an imax
theatre that is a must see.  there are additional aircraft in an annex
which is accessible only by shuttle bus.  the bus is free, as i
recall, but since 9/11 each passenger over 18 needs a photo id.  you
can do this museum in 4 hours but it always takes us longer.  the koa
outside of dayton (actually in brookville) is pricey but quiet and
clean.  

top off the trip with a visit to chocolate town in hershey, pa
(http://www.hersheypa.com/).  its not too far off of i-70 just a bit
east of harrisburg.  i'd allow 1-2 hours.  there is a nearby rv park.

good luck and have a great time.

73,
rich, n9dko


John Andrews - 23 Jan 2006 05:16 GMT
> ok...going to be heading west in June.  starting in NC and roundtripping to
> Burbank to visit an uncle.  Wanted to ask for any advice.
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> Sam
> 34' 1996 Gulfstream Sun Voyager (19 k miles)

Sam,

It looks like your proposed trip is a lot to chew in only 19
days.  I did a trip estimate using Rand McNally Tripmaker and it
looks like you will do about 9800 miles with 150 hours on the
road driving, doing over 500 miles per day at an average speed
of 65 mph.  This is unrealistic far per day and impossible as an
average speed.  35 mph is more like an average speed for this
long a trip.

Cost wise you are looking at over $500 for lodging, although you
can cut some of this by staying about 1/2 the time in free
camping facilities like Flying J or Wal*Mart parking lots.
Expect to pay about $400 for food, between $400 and $500 for
entertainment (if you have time for any), and about $400 to 500
for purchases.  Fuel is the big cost, assuming 7 mpg and $2.25
for fuel you will have a bill of over $3000.  My total estimate
is over $5000.

Looking at these figures makes it apparent to me that all the
benefits of the RV travel style are absent because you must
spend so much time in travel.  I did include a bunch of
"typical" stopovers to take in the sights, so that is figured
into the calcs.  A stopover is a short duration stop, not an
overnight.

I have two suggestions: 1) Fly to California and take in the
sights; and 2) Don't go as far or as fast and enjoy the trip in
the RV.  Maybe even fly and with the money left over from the
hypothetical trip, take in the Blue Ridge Parkway and Biltmore
with a day or two in Asheville.

My best wishes and good luck on your trip.  Keep us informed...

John Andrews, Knoxville, Tennessee
(2005 was around Lake Superior)
Rich256 - 23 Jan 2006 15:50 GMT
> > ok...going to be heading west in June.  starting in NC and roundtripping to
> > Burbank to visit an uncle.  Wanted to ask for any advice.
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> John Andrews, Knoxville, Tennessee
> (2005 was around Lake Superior)

I agree.  Forget the RV.  Fly, take a train or Bus.  Speed, especially in
the mountains is slow.  An RV slows you down all the way.
Sam Jr - 24 Jan 2006 00:08 GMT
How do you come up with that many miles?  I put it in to Rand too and if i
go I-40 all the way and then come back through Denver and St Louis it only
comes out at about 4800 from Hickory , NC.

I am leaning toward not doing the RV trip as suggested.  We live 45 minutes
from the Blue Ridge Parkway so I have done that too many times.  Thanks for
all the input.

>> > ok...going to be heading west in June.  starting in NC and
>> > roundtripping
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> I agree.  Forget the RV.  Fly, take a train or Bus.  Speed, especially in
> the mountains is slow.  An RV slows you down all the way.
GBinNC - 24 Jan 2006 00:44 GMT
>How do you come up with that many miles?  I put it in to Rand too and if i
>go I-40 all the way and then come back through Denver and St Louis it only
>comes out at about 4800 from Hickory , NC.

Agreed.

Just out of curiosity, I checked the one-way distance from Hickory to
Burbank and got 2380 miles (about 40-41 hrs driving time).

I could easily do that round-trip in 19 days. But then, I LOVE to drive.

GB in NC
FLiP - 24 Jan 2006 03:11 GMT
Sam Jr. posted
"How do you come up with that many miles?  I put it in to Rand too and if i
go I-40 all the way and then come back through Denver and St Louis it only
comes out at about 4800 from Hickory , NC."

Sam I did a 6 day trip from York PA. to Penrose CO. just south of Colorado
Springs and logged around 4,000 miles using I70 to 24 and back the same
route. So I would question that 4,800 miles. Trip out was 40 hours  and 36
hours back, elapsed time not just drive time, one driver who likes to drive.
Sam Jr - 24 Jan 2006 03:09 GMT
> Sam Jr. posted
> "How do you come up with that many miles?  I put it in to Rand too and if
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> hours back, elapsed time not just drive time, one driver who likes to
> drive.

Well Mr Rand says its 1691 miles for that trip and 27 hours drive time.
They are never correct but the miles should be close.  I wonder how accurate
our odometers are......probably won on the lowest bid...at the factory.
Thanks for the info.
Unk - 24 Jan 2006 18:24 GMT
On Mon, 23 Jan 2006 22:09:07 -0500, "Sam Jr" e.

>Well Mr Rand says its 1691 miles for that trip and 27 hours drive time.
>They are never correct but the miles should be close.  I wonder how accurate
>our odometers are......probably won on the lowest bid...at the factory.
>Thanks for the info.

I plotted an 11,000 mile trip in MS S&T in 2004.  After all was said
and done and re-routing for 2 plan changes, my actuals came within 23
miles of the program's predicted.  

I took that to be due to gas stops and a couple "ooops, wrong turn"
corrections.

unk
FLiP - 25 Jan 2006 02:54 GMT
Sam
   I just tried the trip planner on the Good Sam sight and came up with
2366 miles one way with a drive time 39 hrs 16 min. and an estimated  fuel
cost of $684.87 for mid range gas at 8.5 mpg. It kept you on I 40 for the
first 2250 of the 2366 miles. When I used the Good Sam site for the trip to
CO, it had the miles and time pegged. Of course it can not plan for your
being stuck on a shut down interstate for 3 hours as what happened to us in
Kansas City on the way out.

Just another reference for you.
Frank Tabor - 24 Jan 2006 04:19 GMT
>How do you come up with that many miles?  I put it in to Rand too and if i
>go I-40 all the way and then come back through Denver and St Louis it only
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>from the Blue Ridge Parkway so I have done that too many times.  Thanks for
>all the input.

Street Atlas says it's 5451 miles and 95 hours.  At 10 hours a day
driving, that's 10 day just driving.  All Interstate.
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John Andrews - 24 Jan 2006 04:27 GMT
Could be the calc is wrong in RMc.  I didn't double check it.  I
did put in some incidental side trips, so that should add some,
but my number sure looks high, now that I look at it.

John Andrews, Knoxville, Tennessee

> How do you come up with that many miles?  I put it in to Rand too and if i
> go I-40 all the way and then come back through Denver and St Louis it only
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>>I agree.  Forget the RV.  Fly, take a train or Bus.  Speed, especially in
>>the mountains is slow.  An RV slows you down all the way.
John Andrews - 24 Jan 2006 04:35 GMT
I went back and looked.  That trip was doubled. Sorry.  You
should only need to go half the distance that I suggested.  The
other costs remain the same because they are based on days on
the road, not miles.  Anyway, If you have the trip program, you
can do the calcs and make a reasonable decision.

My mea culpas.

John Andrews, Knoxville, Tennessee

> How do you come up with that many miles?  I put it in to Rand too and if i
> go I-40 all the way and then come back through Denver and St Louis it only
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>>I agree.  Forget the RV.  Fly, take a train or Bus.  Speed, especially in
>>the mountains is slow.  An RV slows you down all the way.
William Boyd - 24 Jan 2006 04:55 GMT
> I went back and looked.  That trip was doubled. Sorry.  You should only
> need to go half the distance that I suggested.  The other costs remain
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>>> especially in
>>> the mountains is slow.  An RV slows you down all the way.

I guess you expected him to Walk Across Texas. ;-)

BILL P
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Dave in Lake Villa - 25 Jan 2006 03:40 GMT
'any advice.
Sites not to miss?
Time needed to not be rushed and wore out? Any good sites to help plan
the trip?
Any advice would be helpful. I am an experienced RVer with several north
south trips under my belt but never out west.
TIA
Sam'

REPLY:  Lots of interesting things to do in and around Tucson, AZ :  The
Biosphere, Sabino Canyon, Mt. Lemmon, Colossal Cave tour, Kitt Peak
National Observatory, Old Tucson  (if its been rebuilt from a major
fire), Minuteman  Missle Silo Tour underground to see the control center
and unarmed missile, and  'A' Mountain at sunset for breathtaking
pictures of Tucson lights coming on.
Dave's an a**hole - 25 Jan 2006 16:39 GMT
And you're never been to any of them have ya, ya moron?
Bet you read about them in books, just like you're read all about
marriage, raising kids, and maintaining friends in those fundy books
and tapes...

None of which you ever have done worth for sh.t......ya divorced,
childless, friendless delusional freak
HeatMan - 26 Jan 2006 22:45 GMT
> And you're never been to any of them have ya, ya moron?
> Bet you read about them in books, just like you're read all about
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> None of which you ever have done worth for sh.t......ya divorced,
> childless, friendless delusional freak

You forgot the pedophilia....
dave in Lake Villa - 26 Jan 2006 00:48 GMT
any advice.
Sites not to miss?
Time needed to not be rushed and wore out?
Any good sites to help plan the trip?
Any advice would be helpful.  I am an experienced RVer with several
north
south trips under my belt but never out west.

REPLY: I almost forgot to mention a gay dude ranch i stopped by for a
week in Arizona a long time ago.
Will try to find the name as i should still have the bathrobe i
purchased there.

Dave
canoli@sbcglobal.net - 26 Jan 2006 06:12 GMT
>any advice.
>Sites not to miss?

Boys Town, I believe it's in Nebraska.

Canoli
wingnut - 26 Jan 2006 06:16 GMT
<canoli@sbcglobal.net> wrote  "\
> <daveinlakevilla@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>any advice.
>>Sites not to miss?
>
> Boys Town, I believe it's in Nebraska.

Wrong - It's in that little Mexican Border Town.

--
wingnut
canoli@sbcglobal.net - 26 Jan 2006 23:36 GMT
> <canoli@sbcglobal.net> wrote  "\
>> <daveinlakevilla@hotmail.com> wrote:
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>
>Wrong - It's in that little Mexican Border Town.

Wherever it is, Dave will undoubtedly have a ball.

Canoli
Unk - 28 Jan 2006 03:23 GMT
>Wherever it is, Dave will undoubtedly have a ball.
>
>Canoli

One cannibal said to another, "How you doing?"  The other responded,
"I'm having a ball!"   The first said, "You are eating too fast!"
William Boyd - 28 Jan 2006 03:36 GMT
>>Wherever it is, Dave will undoubtedly have a ball.
>>
>>Canoli
>
> One cannibal said to another, "How you doing?"  The other responded,
> "I'm having a ball!"   The first said, "You are eating too fast!"

I think I might have missed the funny part. Tell it over again and
slower this time so I dont miss the punch line. ;-)

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Just Dog
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 ME

Ken Harrison - 28 Jan 2006 07:47 GMT
> One cannibal said to another, "How you doing?"  The other responded,
> "I'm having a ball!"   The first said, "You are eating too fast!"

And then, of course, there was the happy Roman cannibal that was gladiator.

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