Another question regarding my relatively new Gulfstream Friendship
motorhome.
It has - like many other motorhomes and 5th wheels we've looked at - a 10
gallon hot water tank. For me, that means a standard quick shower and I've
still got plenty left over for a nice hot shave. For my wife, that's
another story. The 10 gallons just doesn't go far enough.
Apart from the obvious recommendation for a quicker shower, which does not
add to domestic happiness, are there any other options?
At Lowe's the other day, for example, I saw a 19 gallon electric hot water
heater that operates on 120V and draws 1500 watts, or about 12 to 13 amps.
It's physically small and could probably be mounted in the lower bay near
the back of the existing propane heater, allowing it to be plumbed in
series.
If emptied before traveling, it would not add significantly to the MH's
overall weight. Also, I believe the total current draw including the heater
is well within the allowable maximum electrical operating range.
Has anyone ever done this or have any ideas/comments about it?
Thanks...
GBinNC - 21 Feb 2006 03:27 GMT
>If emptied before traveling, it would not add significantly to the MH's
>overall weight.
19 gallons x 8.? lbs per gallon -- you're talking about only 175# or so.
Why would you bother to empty it every time you move?
In addition to the hassle, you're going to be wasting the money that you
paid to heat the water.
GB in NC
William Boyd - 21 Feb 2006 06:50 GMT
>>If emptied before traveling, it would not add significantly to the MH's
>>overall weight.
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> GB in NC
Could be the answer is in the water heater you have. Does it
have an AC heat element as well as the LP gas? If not, add
it and you will have a much faster recovery water heater.
If that did not do it, I would consider holding some RV
hygiene classes for your wife.

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Jon Griffin - 21 Feb 2006 15:15 GMT
>It has - like many other motorhomes and 5th wheels we've looked at - a 10
>gallon hot water tank. For me, that means a standard quick shower and I've
>still got plenty left over for a nice hot shave. For my wife, that's
>another story. The 10 gallons just doesn't go far enough.
I can see two other options. One is a small flow thru heater. Seems
to me if it were connected in series with the current heater you
should have plenty.
The other is a combination gas/electric heater. I can't speak for the
add on electic attachments to a gas only heater such as the "Hot Rod",
since I've never owned one. My current heater was built at the
factory as gas/electric. When on electric it draws darned near 20
Amps, so I suspect it's a lot quicker than the "Hot Rod". That said,
we have never run out of hot water during a shower, and my wife likes
long HOT showers.
Jon
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Janet Wilder - 21 Feb 2006 15:22 GMT
> Another question regarding my relatively new Gulfstream Friendship
> motorhome.
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> Thanks...
Your wife has to learn that an RV is not a stationary house. One can be
perfectly clean by getting wet, turning off the water while soaping up
and shampooing, then rinsing off. If she can't learn that, she needs to
use the campground shower house. We had plenty of hot water to take a
shower apiece, one right after the other, using a 10 gallon water heater.
You will get a faster return if you use both the gas and electric at the
same time.
J

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wwemu@cwnet.com - 21 Feb 2006 16:32 GMT
>> Another question regarding my relatively new Gulfstream Friendship
>> motorhome.
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>You will get a faster return if you use both the gas and electric at the
>same time.
Of course, you can always save water by showering together.
George
William Boyd - 21 Feb 2006 18:19 GMT
>>>Another question regarding my relatively new Gulfstream Friendship
>>>motorhome.
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> George
I'm not to sure how that would work in an RV sized shower
stall! ;-)

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wwemu@cwnet.com - 22 Feb 2006 01:19 GMT
>> Of course, you can always save water by showering together.
>>
>> George
>I'm not to sure how that would work in an RV sized shower
>stall! ;-)
Two thoughts: The last three coaches we have had had house sized
showers - plenty of room if you aren't too large; Second; being close
together is the idea, isn't it?
George
Dave Lee - 22 Feb 2006 01:28 GMT
My buddy's Carriage fiver has a nice shower stall, full size, separate from
the rest of the bath.It is a nice setup. But mostly for a couple or single
w/ no kids. I love when he camps with us, it gives us a party house!!
Jim Redelfs - 22 Feb 2006 02:05 GMT
> I'm not to sure how that would work
> in an RV sized shower stall! ;-)
Gee, I thought it worked the same just about anywhere! <BG>
It would probably work about the same as it did
in the back seat of a '68 Chevelle.

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William Boyd - 22 Feb 2006 02:34 GMT
>>I'm not to sure how that would work
>>in an RV sized shower stall! ;-)
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> It would probably work about the same as it did
> in the back seat of a '68 Chevelle.
Considering what I have to live with, he is not going to
care for any of those shenanigans, nor would it help me
either. I am just in a position that I would have to borrow
a participant.

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Mark Jones - 22 Feb 2006 00:36 GMT
> At Lowe's the other day, for example, I saw a 19 gallon electric hot
> water heater that operates on 120V and draws 1500 watts, or about 12
> to 13 amps. It's physically small and could probably be mounted in
> the lower bay near the back of the existing propane heater, allowing
> it to be plumbed in series.
Have you looked at one the household type on-demand water heaters?
I don't know if there are any that would fit your needs, but you wouldn't
have to cary the water with you and your wife would be able to get
all of the hot water she wants.
If you find one that would work, could you reply back to the newsgroup?
toowide - 22 Feb 2006 18:37 GMT
Mark Jones suggested a flow-through hot water heater, which I thought was a
great idea and also considered early on. There are both electric and gas
(convertible to propane) models available, but each has a separate
significant issue.
With gas, the concern is venting. The coach manufacturer - believe it or
not - goes to a lot of trouble to determine where and how to vent propane
appliances, with the cooktop being the more or less notable exception. I
would be very concerned about trying mount something that uses propane at a
higher rate than anything else on board and trying to find a way to vent it.
Electric flow-through heaters are much more common, but come complete with
the RVer's nemesis... high electric consumption. Although these units are
extremely efficient, especially compared to standard residential heaters,
the energy demand is almost unbelievable. Even a bare bones 2 gpm system
will draw nearly 50 amps at 240 volts. In terms of power, that's somewhat
over 10 KW.
There were other posts suggesting converting the propane-only tank, which
does have a pretty rapid recovery, to combined electric/propane, but I think
the 10 gallon volume still remains an issue. While I appeciate posters'
comments on hygenic behavioral modification and romantic opportunties, the
additional electric tank still appears to be the frontrunner in providing
desired volume.
Increasing volume does appear to be desirable to several folks who replied
to the original posting, so if something interesting pops up as a
suggestion, I'll sent it along.
Sincere thanks to the many people who took time to reply!
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> Have you looked at one the household type on-demand water heaters?
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> If you find one that would work, could you reply back to the newsgroup?
Chris Cowles - 22 Feb 2006 17:28 GMT
> Apart from the obvious recommendation for a quicker shower, which does not
> add to domestic happiness, are there any other options?
Make the wife responsible for draining the tanks. That may reduce the volume
of the showers.

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Jim Redelfs - 23 Feb 2006 00:11 GMT
> Make the wife responsible for draining the tanks.
> That may reduce the volume of the showers.
Huh? Make her responsible for HAULING the water and filling the tank to
achieve self-imposed conservation. No water hookup allowed.
That would do it for MY wife.
I may have missed something but I don't recall this possibility:
Add a SECOND, propane-fired, 10-gallon, RV water heater.
This would be a perfectly do-able thing (CO$T is no object, I assume) and
would DOUBLE the amount of *HOT* water available.
It is beyond my plumbing knowledge to adequately explain here how the two
heaters are linked, but I know it is quite do-able if uncommon in an RV.

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Ron Recer - 23 Feb 2006 00:32 GMT
>> Make the wife responsible for draining the tanks.
>> That may reduce the volume of the showers.
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> It is beyond my plumbing knowledge to adequately explain here how the two
> heaters are linked, but I know it is quite do-able if uncommon in an RV.
You shouldn't need two tanks to avoid running out of hot water. What you do
need is one good hot water heater that operates on propane and electric at
the same time and you won't run out of hot water. Our Attwood hot water
heater works that way and there may be others as well.
Ron
Bill - 23 Feb 2006 07:32 GMT
>Another question regarding my relatively new Gulfstream Friendship
>motorhome.
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>
>Thanks...
Check out www.hydo-hot.com. All the hot water you could want.
Bill
Ken Harrison - 23 Feb 2006 07:32 GMT
> Check out www.hydo-hot.com. All the hot water you could want.
Ah, the dreaded Error 404...
Pepperoni - 23 Feb 2006 11:13 GMT
www.hydro-hot.com.
> Ah, the dreaded Error 404...
Dapper Dave - 23 Feb 2006 14:18 GMT
>Bill <somewhere@else.com> wrote:
>Check out www.hydro-hot.com. All the hot water you could want.
>
>Bill
Yep, unlimited hot water. For only $7,400 (the Monaco price for the
Hydro-hot option).

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wwemu@cwnet.com - 23 Feb 2006 15:13 GMT
>>Another question regarding my relatively new Gulfstream Friendship
>>motorhome.
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>Bill
To install the Hydro-hot is a major project, not to mention expensive.
It is a complete heating system. We have had the Aqua Hot in the past
two coaches and the current coach has the Hydro-hot. It is a great
system but not recommended for a retro fit. Best to educate the wife
on the need to conserve the hot water or just get used to cold
showers.
George
Bill - 23 Feb 2006 07:35 GMT
>Another question regarding my relatively new Gulfstream Friendship
>motorhome.
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>Thanks...
Sorry, wrong link, it's www.hydro-hot.com
Bill