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Michael D. Henderson - 24 Feb 2006 01:40 GMT
    If I flat tow my Jeep Wrangler (electronic odometer) will the
odometer register the towed mileage?

TIA,
mdh
Tomes - 24 Feb 2006 14:58 GMT
If you do not get an answer here, you might try rec.autos.makers.jeep+willys
newsgroup.  Thos guys know everything Jeep and they are good folks too.
Tomes

>     If I flat tow my Jeep Wrangler (electronic odometer) will the odometer
> register the towed mileage?
>
> TIA,
> mdh
Rich - 24 Feb 2006 15:12 GMT
>     If I flat tow my Jeep Wrangler (electronic odometer) will the
>odometer register the towed mileage?
>
>TIA,
>mdh

nope.  at least it doesn't on my '03 TJ.  but remember that your tires
will continue to rack up miles as far as treadwear is concerned.  

73,
rich, n9dko
CruzMastr - 24 Feb 2006 21:00 GMT
Nope. I tow a 2000 TJ and no miles on odo. Tires, brakes, wheel bearings,
etc will accumuate miles.

CruzMastr

>      If I flat tow my Jeep Wrangler (electronic odometer) will the
> odometer register the towed mileage?
>
> TIA,
> mdh
Tomes - 25 Feb 2006 04:46 GMT
I gotta admit that I am amazed.  I do not dispute it, just surprised is all.
So when it is turned off the computer stuff sleeps right through it all.  I
have a 2002 TJ and this is _very_ good to know.  I had just assumed that it
still racked it up, with my mindset still in the mechanical odo days I
suppose.

Is this the case with all the new vehicles that have electronic odometers
now?
Tomes

> Nope. I tow a 2000 TJ and no miles on odo. Tires, brakes, wheel bearings,
> etc will accumuate miles.
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>> TIA,
>> mdh
Will Sill - 25 Feb 2006 12:12 GMT
Every time this question arises I ask myself who is fooled?  The
owner, or the next buyer?  Maybe nobody?

Will Sill
The Curmudgeon of Sill Hill
CampinGazz - 25 Feb 2006 12:55 GMT
> Every time this question arises I ask myself who is fooled?  The
> owner, or the next buyer?  Maybe nobody?

There was someone over here in england who bought a car that seemingly had
low mileage on it, when they had it serviced they were surprised to have a
large bill for worn out wheel bearings, suspension joints and so on, the
garage told then that whilst the engine and interior had done the low
mileage, the driveline components had done considerably more mileage, and
hence the wear not expected by the owner.

When the owner went round to the the last owner, they saw they had a
motorhome, and they had a new car which had connection points on it for an
A-frame,
sure enough when they looked hard enough there was evidence of the
connection points having once lived on the car they had bought thinking it
had only been driven around town by a granny or something.

The new owners of the car won the ensuing court case, and got a fair bit of
compensation, as they had been dileberately mis-lead to the condition of the
car,
it had a mechanical speedo, and the people who towed it disconnected the
speedo drive every time the towed the car when they went on long tours
around europe.

Thing is in this country towing a car on an A-frame is relatively uncommon,
and unless someone who wants to buy the car is a motorhome owner and knows
of the existance of A-frames, spotting a mtorhome parked next to the car
they are looking to buy sporting a heavy tow bar and safety chain
attatchment points won't trigger their mind to ask the question 'has it been
towed on the A-frame with the speedo disconnected'
GBinNC - 25 Feb 2006 13:23 GMT
>There was someone over here in england who bought a car that seemingly had
>low mileage on it, when they had it serviced they were surprised to have a
>large bill for worn out wheel bearings, suspension joints and so on, the
>garage told then that whilst the engine and interior had done the low
>mileage, the driveline components had done considerably more mileage, and
>hence the wear not expected by the owner.

That brings up a good point. I don't tow a vehicle and never will, but I
think I'd prefer not to rack up "undriven" miles.

If a vehicle has been driven, say, 10k miles and towed another 50k
miles, I'd prefer the odometer show only the "rolling" wear than to
imply that the engine had 60k of wear on it.

OTOH, I'm the kind of person who would explain the extra towed mileage
to a prospective buyer, so in my case it wouldn't be an issue.

YMMV <g>.

GB in NC
ninebal310@aol.com - 25 Feb 2006 13:30 GMT
Every time this question arises I ask myself who is fooled?  The
owner, or the next buyer?  Maybe nobody?

Will Sill
The Curmudgeon of Sill Hill

Buying any car is a gamble, even a new car with 6 miles on it. I would
rather find out the car was towed and the engine and tranny had only
50K miles but was towed for another 50K, than buying a car that had 75k
on it everything. Tires and shocks can be easily and quickly checked.
Most other stuff (bearings, bushings and such) can also be checked with
a little effort.

To me, this is a no brainer. I don't think anybody is getting, or
being, fooled.

Hank
Mickey - 25 Feb 2006 15:19 GMT
> Buying any car is a gamble, even a new car with 6 miles on it. I would
> rather find out the car was towed and the engine and tranny had only
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>
> Hank

Let's see.  The differential(s) are turning but little torques
applied.  If equipped with CV joints, they are still flexing and at
least a portion of their life is flex related. And if the transmission
is not designed for towing, those towed miles are very hard miles.
Not many vehicles are designed for towing, including some manual
transmissions.

Me I'd prefer to know total miles and an explanation of service those
miles represent.

Mickey
CampinGazz - 25 Feb 2006 17:12 GMT
> Let's see.  The differential(s) are turning but little torques applied.
> If equipped with CV joints, they are still flexing and at least a portion
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> Me I'd prefer to know total miles and an explanation of service those
> miles represent.

Thats the way i see it,

I dont know about american cars, but european cars the engines usually out
live the rest of the vehicle,

over here the body rusts away and that's the main cause of it being
scrapped,

But if you keep on top of the rust, at about 100k miles you'll prolly have
replaced a few suspension components anyway,

Theres loads of rubber bushes on the suspension joints, and when the car's
towed the suspension is still moving, so the bushes will be wearing as is
the car was driven,
the ball joints are moving, CV joints doing their job and thus wearing,
shockers being pounded up and down, springs flexing, the steering rack is
being turned every time you take a corner, and not from the steering wheel
as it expects, but from the wheels being forced to follow the way the body
is dragged but the A frame mounting points,

the gear box is being driven, ok as said it's not under torque, but it's
still rotating all the bearings and gears,

So althought hte engine isnt actually running, the vehicle is still going
through the motions of being driven down the road,
And the car is a lot closer to the tow vehicle than would normaly be if it
were driven (well tailgaters excepted) so all the road spray, salt and muck
is being blasted into the front of the car, and it's not just the bonnet
(hood) and front panel that gets that muck, all the under side components
will be getting a nice dosing of corrosive muck.

A couple of months ago my dad bought a new car, he got exactly the same
model as his last one as he liked it so much, his old car was 3 years old,
and he'd done 80k miles in it,
but when he exchanged the old for the new car, he was amazed at how much
tigheter everything felt, suspension was tighter, steering more precise, no
rattles from wearing components on the drive line etc,

so whilst a car may show 30k miles on the odo, if it's been towed another
50k, then the engine may run like a 30k mile engine, but the car will drive
like a 80k mile car, and you've got to expect that you'll be doing repairs
to the vehicle that you'd expect of an 80k miler,

that's what the english court case was about, they bought a car with an
indicated low mileage, and thus paid top dollar for it, and expected it to
last a fair while before needing any major work, and hence werent pleased
when they got a big bill for lots of work needed to bring the vehicle back
upto a safe condition.

no idea if the origional owners had it serviced on the time scedule, but
from the sounds of it they just went on the 'it's due a service at xxk
miles, and it's not done that yet, so we wont service it untill then even
tho it's now 2 years old and never been looked at'
ninebal310@aol.com - 25 Feb 2006 19:38 GMT
Ok, I guess I am the only one that thinks the way I do. I am always
leary of ANY auto, even the new ones.

I would still take a chance on an auto that I can tell from looking at
the suspension, brakes, shocks and etc. than an engine that has been
powerwashed and looks new but the internal parts are worn out.

I would rather replace a CV joint than tranny. I would rather replace
shocks before a head gasket and so on.

I think if you do the math you'll find replacing/rebuilding an engine
costs MUCH more than all the CV joints, steering arms and shocks.

Hank
CampinGazz - 25 Feb 2006 20:39 GMT
> > I think if you do the math you'll find replacing/rebuilding an engine
> costs MUCH more than all the CV joints, steering arms and shocks.

Well, when i origionaly replied it was because of will mentioning that
people get fooled by a car that's showing low mileage on the speedo, and has
been towed for double that mileage,

Hence why i mentioned the UK court case, someone bought what they thought
was a 2 or 3 year old car with low mileage,
so you can see the point that yes they shouldent expect to have to do any
engine work at that time... and likewise they shoudlent have expected to
have to replace a load of drive line components at such a low mileage
either,

At the end of the day the judge sided with them and common sense, the
origional owners sold a car saying it was low mileage, like new and so on,
soemone bought it and expected that of a car with low mileage and a couple
of years old,

you don't expect to find out that only the engine and interior have done the
low mileage, and the rest of the car has done another 50k or so,

i guess it's the oposite of my motorhome, 2 years ago i fitted a brand new
engine, i got a brand new differential at the same time to adjust the
cruising revs to a range more comfortable for motorhome use (i bought it as
a van to convert)

I had a brand new coachbuilt (C class) body built on the back, and fitted
all new components inside that body,

So in 2004 my motorhome had about 75% brand new components, including the
major parts like the engine, i've also totaly replaced the braking system as
part of having it's weight uprated,
But i couldent sell the van as a brand new or 2 year old one, as the base
vehicle still has a chassis, suspension torsion bars and leaf springs,
gearbox, steering and so on that's done 130k miles,
even tho the engine, axle, body, interior fittings, braking system, shockers
and so on have only done about 12k miles,
William Boyd - 25 Feb 2006 22:32 GMT
>>>I think if you do the math you'll find replacing/rebuilding an engine
>>
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> even tho the engine, axle, body, interior fittings, braking system, shockers
> and so on have only done about 12k miles,

Well that is the way it is, in fact to give you the complete
skinnie. Go out and buy a vehicle of your choice (1955
Chevy) strip every thing off of the frame including every
nut, bolt and sand blast the paint off. Then commence
replacing every thing with all never before used parts and
what do you have. The same as what you had before you
started, The frame is the controlling factor. In fact you
might find a code number stamped on the frame that can be
traced back to the original year and make of the vehicle.
But just think you can sell it as a new 1955 Chevy restored.

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ninebal310@aol.com - 26 Feb 2006 02:45 GMT
Let's see.  The differential(s) are turning but little torques
applied.  If equipped with CV joints, they are still flexing and at
least a portion of their life is flex related. And if the transmission
is not designed for towing, those towed miles are very hard miles.
Not many vehicles are designed for towing, including some manual
transmissions.

Me I'd prefer to know total miles and an explanation of service those
miles represent.

Mickey

A long time friend of my mothers bought a brand new 1970 Ford maverick
in 1970. It was sold after her death in 1985 with less than 20k miles
on it. All oil changes and other mainteance was done as required. I
know it was done because I did it. This car was practically new except
for some very minor rust on the rear quarter panels. Since I knew the
service record and the original owner, I bid and won at the auction to
sell her property.

I drove it approx. 3K miles and discovered damn near all the seals were
leaking. Tranny seals, axle seals, rear main and etc. All teh bearings
were fine, just all the seals were bad. Labor was the same but parts
were cheap.

So, my point is: Service records, low mileage adn etc. don't mean a
damn thing.

On any used car, buyer beware.

Hank

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