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Car Forum / Driving, Maintenance, Tuning / RVs / March 2006Towing a Miata
Hi, Is anybody out there towing a Miata (4 down) behind their RV ? Tim > Hi, > > Is anybody out there towing a Miata (4 down) behind their RV ? > > Tim Tow a 91 miata, however, NOT 4 down... Got a toy hauler trailer, and tow that with the car on it. Depending on how nice you want to keep it looking, consider a rock guard so stuff doesn't fly up from the RV wheels and chip the paint. Many toy hauler trailers have a front that catches rocks/mud/water/etc. >> Hi, >> [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >stuff doesn't fly up from the RV wheels and chip the paint. Many toy hauler >trailers have a front that catches rocks/mud/water/etc. When you arrive at your destination, how difficult is it to unhitch the toad trailer and move it out of the way? Can that be done by one person of average strength? How about if you get stuck in a tight spot and have to back up. Is that manageable or a nightmare? Just wondering. I see where lanman <xlanmanx@aol.com> contributed: >When you arrive at your destination, how difficult is it to unhitch >the toad trailer and move it out of the way? Can that be done by one >person of average strength? How about if you get stuck in a tight spot >and have to back up. Is that manageable or a nightmare? Just >wondering. ::sigh:: 1) How difficult is it to mave a trailer at home? 2) What is average? 3) (serious answer): You can back a trailer unless you are retarded - it is difficult to back a 4-down toad, and near impossible to back one on a dolly. If you just HAVE to drag a toad along, you are going to be faced with some kinds of compromises. Will Sill The Curmudgeon of Sill Hill snipped > 3) (serious answer): You can back a trailer unless you are retarded > - it is difficult to back a 4-down toad, and near impossible to back [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Will Sill > The Curmudgeon of Sill Hill Since most people taking long trips find it better to have a towed vehicle, whether dolly, trailer or 4 down, it really isn't a question of "HAVING" to bring one, it is more a necessity to have one. Picturing a 40' motorhome being unhooked and driven to the local supermarket is kinda ugly. The facts are, most people on extended trips are pulling a towed. It just isn't practical not do so. This mostly applies to those who stay at a location for several days to longer. Maybe it wouldn't matter if the trip was one where they only stayed a day at a time and the object of the trip was to cover as much ground as possible. The advantage of having a towed over none is so big there is no room for discussion. Negative personal opinions on this issue have no bearing on the subject. It's been my observation that the easiest is 4 down. The dolly is an inconvenience in bad weather and a trailer can be a real nuisance when sites are not long enough to hold the trailer plus, moving a trailer capable of holding a vehicle (other than a motorsickle) makes it difficult to move the trailer around. If I were traveling and had a perfectly good vehicle I could use as a towed, I'd get whatever was needed to make it a 4 down. A RWD can be fitted with a drive shaft disconnect and the same for FWD. When people are part timing or full timing, they need more space for "stuff" so a bigger motorhome makes sense and a towed becomes a "necessity". That's my 2 cents on it <g>. Hugh > The facts are, most people on extended trips are pulling a towed. It > just isn't practical not do so. This mostly applies to those who stay [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > for discussion. Negative personal opinions on this issue have no > bearing on the subject. We would disagree that a toad is a necessity. We're finishing our 5th year half time RVing, and use bicycles for those times we want to go places nearby where we do not want to drive the RV. Our 33 ft RV fits in two parking spaces lengthwise, and we take it where we want to go. The thought of restricted backing is not a pleasant one to us...and getting out and unhooking a toad to park is...almost unthinkable. We do move most days....staying in a place only one night...but usually do not move too far. What you NEED and what you WANT are personal decisions. It depends on YOUR priorities. Good luck with those difficult decisions... Barrie B I see where some anonymous twit calling itself error@error.com says... >> The advantage of having a towed over none is so big there is no room >> for discussion. Negative personal opinions on this issue have no >> bearing on the subject. ::sigh:: Another example of how unadulterated nonsense can be spewed onto cyberspace sceens. For a time, we too dragged a toad behind our MH, and found it unnecessary, inconvenient, and troublesome. We've never done it since. What's more, there are untold thousands of other rv'ers who choose not to tow a car, and their opinions are every bit as valid as this anonymous twit's. Our own reasons for not needing one include these facts: -we already have a compact rv (class B) that can go virtually anywhere a car can go. - we travel for the sake of travel and seldom if ever park in one place long enough to have any interest in having a car along - even when we had big MH's we could usually rent a car if we had need for one, and were prepared to do so but never had a need or even a want. IMO it is arrogant to tell the entire RV community that "Negative personal opinions on this issue have no bearing on the subject." In fact other's views are more valid than yours - they don't hide behind a fake ID. Will Sill The Curmudgeon of Sill Hill snipped > IMO it is arrogant to tell the entire RV community that "Negative > personal opinions on this issue have no bearing on the subject." In [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Will Sill > The Curmudgeon of Sill Hill The fact you believe a towed is a poor choice has nothing to do with the reasons others choose to pull one. There is nothing wrong with bringing up the obvious reasons why a towed can be a hassle at times but to bring a purely negative view to the debate is nonsense. If you were in the mainstream of current full timing and part timing rv's, you'd know they need a means to get around when they pick a spot to roost for awhile. Believe me, Barrie is in the minority. Granted there are a few who choose to part time in a class B but they are in the minority. many of the full timers are driving class A's and many of those class A's are diesel pushers. The number of big rigs are growing and they are not something you take to the corner store for the heck of it. Once parked, they hook up on 50 amp service and stay for awhile. Even the ones who travel extensively feel the need to stay somewhere during peak seasons when the snow birds come south to escape the cold. I haven't seen many of them who don't choose to bring a towed along and many of the toweds are energy saving units. And one more point Will. I am not an anonymous poster. Anyone who wish's can find my name, I've also posted my email address when asked. IMHO it IS arrogant to attempt forcing your personal beliefs on others. You don't like toweds, great, you are far outnumbered by those who do. The fact you don't like your favorite personal opinions dissed is irrelevant to most discussions. Plus, if you weren't such a coward, you'd be able to read my response to your nastygram. Hugh Darling hughd at intergate dot com "Welcome" back (again), Hugh. It's becoming apparent why your absence wasn't noticed. > it IS arrogant to attempt forcing your personal beliefs on others. Your statement is absurd and virtually meaningless. Everything here is personal opinion (belief). No one is FORCING or ATTEMPTING to force anything on anyone. However, your attempt to preemptively dismiss others' opinions is the height of arrogance and the epitome of cavalier, to wit: > The advantage of having a towed over none is so big there is > no room for discussion. If this doesn't define "close-minded", nothing does. There is ALWAYS room for discussion. There has already been a couple of [no towed/toad] folks post their preference. I'm sure there are more that choose to stay silent. I DON'T wonder why they do. > Negative personal opinions on this issue have no > bearing on the subject. That is nonsense. Given your attitude, the value of your previous contributions and those you will likely make is diminished.  Signature:\ JR snipped > Given your attitude, the value of your previous contributions and those you > will likely make is diminished. My response was prompted by Will writing this; "::sigh:: 1) How difficult is it to mave a trailer at home? 2) What is average? 3) (serious answer): You can back a trailer unless you are retarded - it is difficult to back a 4-down toad, and near impossible to back one on a dolly. If you just HAVE to drag a toad along, you are going to be faced with some kinds of compromises. Will Sill The Curmudgeon of Sill Hill" You probably are right in dissing me for my response to Will, trouble is, I know the reasons and the folks who do "need" toweds and I thought his response was outa line. Maybe I crossed the line but, if I did it doesn't happen often and is usually prompted by arrogance. You're right about my attitude in my response, it was bad and I really do apologize for it. I didn't mean to dismiss others opinions as they all are valuable. My intent was to emphasize the opinions of those who do pull toweds and present theirs as the majority opinion. Again, I apologize if I offended you, or anyone else, by my hasty response to Will. I was drawing on all the responses to towed questions Will has given in the past. He answers from that same past experience he has. Class A's have much more capacity for towing now than in the past. Towbar setups are really easy to use now compared to the solid hookups of the past. I see many folks dropping their toweds on entrance to a park and it is not a hassle of any kind. If your experience is different then tell me so and we can discuss it. All I know is, from my observations, if I had a class A and was taking an extended trip or was parting/fulltiming, I sure would take a towed. Probably wouldn't on an Alaska trip though although some do <g>. Hugh >>> Hi, >>> [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > and have to back up. Is that manageable or a nightmare? Just > wondering. Depends on if its the final destination or if I am still traveling. I never understood the problem with trailers... For A boat, I just drive it on/off the trailer, same with the car.. Just drive it on/off (the one I have has a ramp/gate at the back, just drop it down and drive on/off), and the ultimate, is the trailer for the helicopter.. I fly it on/off.. no way I am gonna land on the ground and try and move it onto the trailer. Empty weight of the trailers are 480-861 LBS, tounge wieght of about 50 LBS. easy/piece of cake to move it when the vehicle is off of it (course I do weigh about 250 so I just pick the tounge up by the safety chains, lean against it.. it moves) Bottom line, if you take the vehicle off FIRST, it's a peice of cake to move the empty trailer... Car? Drive off the trailer takes a few seconds... move the empty trailer with no car... takes a few more seconds (boat and copter are a bit more hassle and takes a few minutes) >>>> Hi, >>>> [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] >250 so I just pick the tounge up by the safety chains, lean against it.. it >moves) I agree with you that four down is best. It would be for me. I don't think I could move a four up trailer unless it was on paved, level ground. Downhill works well, but only if it's downhill both ways. :-) The problems I see with a full trailer are: 1.) too difficult to move manually or backup in campgrounds with tight spaces (which are most of them, or at least all the ones I visited), 2.) lack of space at the campsite to park the RV, toad, and trailer. The dolly would be an improvement over the above in that it would require less space to park and would be easier to move manually since it weighs less, but it would also be more difficult to back up. With a four down, the hitch is manageable for most people, and if you get in a tight spot you can disconnect the toad in a couple of minutes and, assuming two drivers are available, drive it away separately. Am I missing anything? Thanks... >Bottom line, if you take the vehicle off FIRST, it's a peice of cake to move >the empty trailer... Car? Drive off the trailer takes a few seconds... move >the empty trailer with no car... takes a few more seconds (boat and copter >are a bit more hassle and takes a few minutes)
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