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Will Sill - 08 Apr 2006 16:24 GMT
We are seeing TV views of extensive tornado damage around Gallatin TN.
Unable to reach close friends west of Springfield (Cedar Hill).
Phones out?   Anyone in the vicinity with factual information?

Will Sill
The Curmudgeon of Sill Hill
Jim Redelfs - 09 Apr 2006 03:54 GMT
> We are seeing TV views of extensive tornado damage around Gallatin TN.
> Unable to reach close friends west of Springfield (Cedar Hill).
> Phones out?   Anyone in the vicinity with factual information?

That was almost 12 hours ago.  Any news?

JR
Will Sill - 09 Apr 2006 12:43 GMT
I see where Jim Redelfs <jim.redelfs@NOSPAMredelfs.com> contributed:

>> We are seeing TV views of extensive tornado damage around Gallatin TN.
>> Unable to reach close friends west of Springfield (Cedar Hill).
>> Phones out?   Anyone in the vicinity with factual information?
>
>That was almost 12 hours ago.  Any news?

Yes:  Damage as bad as the TV makes it look - but not in Cedar Hill.
We were finally able to talk with them.

Thanx for asking.

Will Sill
The Curmudgeon of Sill Hill
Jim Redelfs - 09 Apr 2006 15:29 GMT
>> We are seeing TV views of extensive tornado damage

>> That was almost 12 hours ago.  Any news?

> Yes:  Damage as bad as the TV makes it look - but not in Cedar Hill.
> We were finally able to talk with them.
>
> Thanx for asking.

I'm glad they're OK.

Emergency and Urgent Calling Information
(Hopefully useful trivia from a 33-year phoneman)

On those rare occasions when your long distance call fails due to "all
circuits are busy" or a "reorder" (a FAST busy signal ~120cpm), simply trying
the call again in five minutes isn't going to get you through.

You must HAMMER-dial the call.  That's where you repeatedly dial the call, one
attempt IMMEDIATELY after the last.  It's sorta like you're trying to get
through to be the million-dollar winner.

The big difference is that, in a disaster, the overwhelming traffic on the
network is going to continue for hours, days or (God forbid) weeks.  The only
way you'll get through without waiting hours or days is to hammer-dial your
call.  By hammer-dialing your call, you may very likely get through after only
a minute or two of such work.

Now here is where a little common sense and consideration for one's fellow man
must be used:  If your call is to ascertain the physical condition of a loved
one or good friend, by all means hammer away at your earliest opportunity.  If
your call is of lesser urgency (Is my neighbor's dog OK? Is the shopping mall
intact?), you might let the "fire" die down a bit before hammer-dialing your
way through.

"Hammer-dialing" a call physically hurts NOTHING.  Modern switching equipment
can easily shed excess traffic.  Another thing to realize is that a telco
switch can ALSO be programmed to give switching priority to OUTGOING calls.  
This is often done during the first hours and days following a disaster so
that outgoing calls for help will complete on the first try more often than
inbound calls.

Slow Dialtone - Get in line.  First come, first served.

If you pick up a phone after a bad storm or emergency, but there is NO
dialtone, and you have checked all the other phones in the house and they're
all OK and hung-up properly, STAY on the line.  Dialtone will be doled-out to
your line much in the same manner as standing in line, waiting for theater
tickets.  Hanging up and trying again a few minutes later, if the emergency is
bad enough, may still present you with slow dialtone (no dialtone when first
picking-up the receiver):  You will have gone "to the back of the line".

Wireless (cell) phone?  All bets are off.  I don't own one.  I do, however,
use one a lot:  The company pays for it while I fix and otherwise work on that
OLD network:  Copper pair.  I am of the opinion that the wireless network is
rather flimsy with regard to its level of durability during the aftermath of a
severe storm or disaster.  It takes a LOT for the "stuff" buried in the ground
to be damaged.
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Neon John - 09 Apr 2006 22:33 GMT
>>> We are seeing TV views of extensive tornado damage
>
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>attempt IMMEDIATELY after the last.  It's sorta like you're trying to get
>through to be the million-dollar winner.

<bunch o hideous crap snipped>

While technically correct, I cannot believe that anyone with a
molecule of common sense or concern for others would hand out such
advice.

So let me get this straight.  I'm sitting up here in Cleveland or
Chicago or wherever with a load of food or water or medical supplies
and I need to call to find out where to take it but I can't get
through.  Meanwhile ever self-centered careless yahoo who wants to
call to see if the roof blew off his vacation house has the lines
jammed hammer-dialing.  THAT's what you're telling people to do.

The thing to do for people outside the area who have nothing to offer
is to sit the f*ck down and shut the f*ck up!  

Not a thing good will happen by your trying to get through.  Even if
you do get through, the damage is the same and there is nothing you
can do about it.  If you really do have to phone, at least wait a
couple of days.

If anyone really, REALLY just can't tolerate not knowing, find a ham
radio operator and send a health-and-welfare message that way.  There
is a segment of ham radio that lives for disasters and for handling
that kind of traffic.  The network is amazingly fast, all things
considered, and there are hams who actually do whatever they can to
physically go to the recipients to deliver the message in person and
take the reply.  I know guys who maintain military surplus equipment
such as Deuce-and-a-halfs in good working order just so they can get
through floods and whatnot to deliver the messages.

You can find out if your friend or relative's house is still there or
if the golf course on the beach is still playable usually within 24
hours.

>Now here is where a little common sense and consideration for one's fellow man
>must be used:  If your call is to ascertain the physical condition of a loved
>one or good friend, by all means hammer away at your earliest opportunity.  

This kind of phone traffic should have the very lowest priority but
unfortunately its the kind of crap that jams the networks so that REAL
relief traffic can't get through.

>Wireless (cell) phone?  All bets are off.  I don't own one.  I do, however,
>use one a lot:  The company pays for it while I fix and otherwise work on that
>OLD network:  Copper pair.  I am of the opinion that the wireless network is
>rather flimsy with regard to its level of durability during the aftermath of a
>severe storm or disaster.  It takes a LOT for the "stuff" buried in the ground
>to be damaged.

My experience in actually working a some disasters is quite the
opposite.  POTS local offices seem to be the first to go down, if not
from above-ground line downage and underground manhole flooding, then
when the station batteries run down because the telco was too cheap
for emergency generators.

Most if not all the cell system stays up, especially those with
microwave links.  And fortunately, the cell operators CAN remotely
turn off non-essential traffic on the network if they want to.

In fact, Katrina is the first disaster in quite some time that I've
heard of where the entire cell network went down.   Usually a few
sites are taken out but the rest of the network continues to function.

Back in the bad old days of analog bag phones and a dollar-a-minute
air time when only a few doctors and nerdy businessmen like me had
'em, several times I drove significant distances to take my bag phone
and power supply to a hospital, police station or other essential
service provider that was totally cut off from the wireline network.
Funny, I never got reimbursed for the air time, either.....

I've also tied my bag phone to my portable ham radio VHF repeater so
that hams could handle priority traffic in the disaster area, that
being the only communications available.

Not bragging, just contrasting your gawd-awful arm-chair advice with
what really goes on out there.

John
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Cleveland, Occupied TN
A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds.-Ralph Waldo Emerson
Jim Redelfs - 10 Apr 2006 06:04 GMT
>> HAMMER-dial the call
>
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> molecule of common sense or concern for others would hand out such
> advice.

ARGH!  Give it to me straight.  Don't hold back!   <grin>

> The thing to do for people outside the area who have nothing to offer
> is to sit the f*ck down and shut the f*ck up!

OK.  You're right.  That should have been my FIRST suggestion.

> POTS local offices seem to be the first to go down, if not
> from above-ground line downage and underground manhole flooding, then
> when the station batteries run down because the telco was too cheap
> for emergency generators.

Finally, after all these years, all of the five COs I attend now have standby
power.  This upgrade was done for the last one probably 3-4 years ago.

> Back in the bad old days of analog bag phones and a dollar-a-minute
> air time when only a few doctors and nerdy businessmen like me had
> 'em, several times I drove significant distances to take my bag phone
> and power supply to a hospital, police station or other essential
> service provider that was totally cut off from the wireline network.

BTDT x1.  Nursing home.  It's a nice thing to do.

> Not bragging, just contrasting your gawd-awful arm-chair advice with
> what really goes on out there.

Armchair, my @$$.  I've been, done - and do - it, out there.  Like I said,
your suggestion to shut the F*CK up for a few days should always be practiced
first.  Failing that, if they simply hang-up and try their call again later,
they'll never get through.

You can bet that, using the technique I imparted (to an ostensibly intelligent
audience of limited number with common sense), once emergency personnel get
through they don't let the circuit drop if they can help it.  (I wouldn't.)
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