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Conan Kelly - 21 Apr 2006 04:41 GMT
Hello all,

I am wanting to know where these two places are.  Does anyone know?

1.  http://home.att.net/~ctbarbarin/files/island_mountainside.jpg  I came across this pix in a Power Point I found at school so I
copied it.

2.  Isn't there a place, maybe in Redwood NP, where a tree straddles the road and you can drive under it?

If anyone knows where these two places and can post detailed location/directions, it will be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,

Conan
Jim Gemmill - 21 Apr 2006 14:17 GMT
> Hello all,
>
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>
> 2.  Isn't there a place, maybe in Redwood NP, where a tree straddles the road and you can drive under it?

Yosemite National Park.

> If anyone knows where these two places and can post detailed location/directions, it will be greatly appreciated.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Conan
NoSpam_aljimenez@yahoo.com - 21 Apr 2006 14:30 GMT
> 1.  http://home.att.net/~ctbarbarin/files/island_mountainside.jpg  I came
> across this pix in a Power Point I found at school so I copied it.

I think that photo is from the trail on the east side of Lake Tahoe viewing
the lake towards the southwest

> 2.  Isn't there a place, maybe in Redwood NP, where a tree straddles the
> road and you can drive under it?

Northern California around Redwood NP has many of trees that you can drive
thru. Most are on private land that you pay to drive thru. Someone else said
Yosemite, but I have not seen Redwood trees in Yosemite...  Al
Madarilla - 21 Apr 2006 15:47 GMT
>> 1.  http://home.att.net/~ctbarbarin/files/island_mountainside.jpg  I came
>> across this pix in a Power Point I found at school so I copied it.
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> thru. Most are on private land that you pay to drive thru. Someone else
> said Yosemite, but I have not seen Redwood trees in Yosemite...  Al

I don't know what kind of tree it is, but here's a pic from national park
service site.

http://www.cr.nps.gov/history/online_books/albright3/chap7b.htm

Also, do a google image search on Chandelier Tree.
y_p_w - 21 Apr 2006 18:46 GMT
> "NoSpam_aljimenez@yahoo.com" <nowhere@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > Northern California around Redwood NP has many of trees that you can drive
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>
> http://www.cr.nps.gov/history/online_books/albright3/chap7b.htm

That was the Wawona Tree (giant sequoia) at Mariposa Grove in
Yosemite.  I believe it's still there, but not quite vertical.
It feel down in the late 60's.  The following gallery has the
Tunnel Tree in Mariposa Grove, which can be walked through.

<http://gallery.outel.org/YosemiteMayHalfDiveWawona/2f041_006>

Someone was kind enough to put the picture of what the Wawona
Tree looks like now:

<http://harrison.rebecca.users.btopenworld.com/yosemite.htm>
y_p_w - 21 Apr 2006 18:35 GMT
> > 1.  http://home.att.net/~ctbarbarin/files/island_mountainside.jpg  I came
> > across this pix in a Power Point I found at school so I copied it.
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> thru. Most are on private land that you pay to drive thru. Someone else said
> Yosemite, but I have not seen Redwood trees in Yosemite...  Al

Coast redwoods (Sequoia sempervirens) only thrive in relatively low
altitude areas near the coast.  They grow along the West Coast from
maybe Santa Cruz up to the middle of Oregon.

Giant sequoia (Sequoiadendron giganteum) are found at higher
alititudes in the Sierra Nevada range.

There aren't really any standing sequioas that can be driven through.
Apparently there was one in the Mariposa Grove in Yosemite, but
it fell down in the late 60's.  There's are several fallen trees that
have been cut out.  I seem to recall there was a fallen tree that
could be driven over.  The following has a pic of Tunnel Log at Sequoia
National Park:

<http://www.nps.gov/seki/tlog_pic.htm>

Here's the FAQ answer from Sequoia/King's Canyon NPs:

<http://www.nps.gov/seki/2trees.htm>

** **

"Why not cut a new tunnel tree?" many visitors suggest, when
they discover that the Wawona Tree can no longer be driven through.

Times change, however, and actions proper for one generation
may not fit the needs and goals of a succeeding generation. Our
expectations of national parks have changed immensely during
the past half century. When our national parks were young,
cutting tunnels through sequoia trees was a way to popularize
the parks and gain support for their protection. In those early
days, national parks usually were managed to protect individual
features rather than to protect the integrity of the complete
environment. Today, we realize that our national parks represent
some of the last primeval landscapes in America, and our goal
in the parks is to allow nature to run its course with as little
interference from man as possible.

Tunnel trees had their time and place in the early history of our
national parks. But today sequoias which are standing healthy
and whole are worth far more.
NoSpam_aljimenez@yahoo.com - 21 Apr 2006 22:41 GMT
I really like your explanation of the Natinal Parks and the desire to keep
them as natural as possible. However, two years ago I drove thru a giant
Redwood after paying the land-owner $4 somewhere near Hwy 101 near the coast
of northern California, so there are trees that you can drive thru on
private land... Al

> There aren't really any standing sequioas that can be driven through.
> Apparently there was one in the Mariposa Grove in Yosemite, but
[quoted text clipped - 30 lines]
> national parks. But today sequoias which are standing healthy
> and whole are worth far more.
y_p_w - 21 Apr 2006 23:45 GMT
> I really like your explanation of the Natinal Parks and the desire to keep
> them as natural as possible. However, two years ago I drove thru a giant
> Redwood after paying the land-owner $4 somewhere near Hwy 101 near the coast
> of northern California, so there are trees that you can drive thru on
> private land... Al

Certainly it's not illegal for a private landowner who could otherwise
cut down trees for lumber to do that.  It's generally against current
National Park Service policy to damage a large tree as a tourist
attraction though.  I don't know how many people would seek out
remote private areas to do something like drive through a tree.

I went through Tunnel Tree at Sequoia NP years ago.  It probably
wasn't too bad an idea since they would have otherwise just cut
out the part of the tree that blocked the road or just hauled the
tree completely away.

Here's a bunch of (mostly) standing tunnel trees and treehouses.

<http://www.alamedainfo.com/redwood_tree_ca.htm>
RichA - 22 Apr 2006 00:31 GMT
>I really like your explanation of the Natinal Parks and the desire to keep
>them as natural as possible. However, two years ago I drove thru a giant
>Redwood after paying the land-owner $4 somewhere near Hwy 101 near the coast
>of northern California, so there are trees that you can drive thru on
>private land... Al

Hi,
That place is about 15-30 miles south of Crescent City.  It's a little
south of Mystic Trees or Trees of Mystery, can't remember the name, but
it has a statue of Paul Bunyon and Babe out front.  The drive through
tree is on private property and costs $4.00 to go through it's only a
few hundred feet off the highway.  It's a coastal sequoia or redwood
tree.

Take care and Happy Campin...
Signature

RichA
"We Get Too Soon Olde and Too Late Smart"

NoSpam_aljimenez@yahoo.com - 22 Apr 2006 01:32 GMT
>>I really like your explanation of the Natinal Parks and the desire to keep
>>them as natural as possible. However, two years ago I drove thru a giant
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> few hundred feet off the highway.  It's a coastal sequoia or redwood
> tree.

Yes, that's my recollection too RichA. We camped near the ocean along a
river end, took a jetboat tour there also and saw bald eagles and bears...
Al

> Take care and Happy Campin...
Marymargm - 22 Apr 2006 05:16 GMT
>>1.  http://home.att.net/~ctbarbarin/files/island_mountainside.jpg  I came
>>across this pix in a Power Point I found at school so I copied it.
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> thru. Most are on private land that you pay to drive thru. Someone else said
> Yosemite, but I have not seen Redwood trees in Yosemite...  Al

http://www.drivethrutree.com/
Calif Bill - 22 Apr 2006 06:01 GMT
>>>1.  http://home.att.net/~ctbarbarin/files/island_mountainside.jpg  I came
>>>across this pix in a Power Point I found at school so I copied it.
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>> else said Yosemite, but I have not seen Redwood trees in Yosemite...  Al
> http://www.drivethrutree.com/

And if you have not seen the redwoods in Yosemite, look harder.  Mariposa
Grove near Wawona has the Giant Sequoias.  There was a drive thru tree years
ago, but fell down on the late 1960's.  You could not drive through it for a
long time before that.  I remember as a kid, doing the drive through.  there
is a walk through tree in the grove.
y_p_w - 23 Apr 2006 02:43 GMT
> "Marymargm" <mynamegoeshere@murrayranch.com> wrote in message
> >> Northern California around Redwood NP has many of trees that you can
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> long time before that.  I remember as a kid, doing the drive through.  there
> is a walk through tree in the grove.

However - Yosemite had giant sequoias and the coast had coast redwoods.
Perhaps it's a fine distinction, but I think of giant sequoias and
coast redwoods as different, and I think the reference to "not seen
Redwood trees in Yosemite" is accurate.
Calif Bill - 23 Apr 2006 05:38 GMT
>> "Marymargm" <mynamegoeshere@murrayranch.com> wrote in message
>> >> Northern California around Redwood NP has many of trees that you can
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
> coast redwoods as different, and I think the reference to "not seen
> Redwood trees in Yosemite" is accurate.

They are both redwood trees.  Of the same species.  At one time they were
even found in China.  Only thing that saved the Giant Sequoia Redwood from
massive cutting for lumber, is they were so big, that they shattered on
being felled.  Not much usable lumber from the remains.  Most of the Sierras
is 2nd growth as an immense amount was cut for the gold mines.  The Tahoe
basin was almost denuded for the Comstock area.
y_p_w - 23 Apr 2006 17:32 GMT
> >> "Marymargm" <mynamegoeshere@murrayranch.com> wrote in message
> >> >> Northern California around Redwood NP has many of trees that you can
[quoted text clipped - 24 lines]
> is 2nd growth as an immense amount was cut for the gold mines.  The Tahoe
> basin was almost denuded for the Comstock area.

They're not of the same species, although I understand the common
mistake of referring to a giant sequoia as "a redwood tree".  What I
understand about giant sequoia is that they've typically been used
for making shake roof shingles, although that's out of favor these
days because of fire risk.

<http://www.conifers.org/cu/se/index.htm>

"Sequoia sempervirens  (D. Don) Endlicher 1847
Common Names
Coast redwood, redwood, California redwood (Little 1980), coasta
sequoia, palo colorado."

<http://www.conifers.org/cu/se2/index.htm>

"Sequoiadendron giganteum  (Lindley) J.Buchholz 1939
Common Names
Giant sequoia, bigtree, Sierra-redwood (Watson 1993)."

And finally the "dawn redwood" that I think you were referring to.
They're still there, although quite as big as the giant sequoia
or coast redwood.

<http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2003/08/02/HO251691.DTL>

<http://www.conifers.org/cu/me/index.htm>

"Metasequoia glyptostroboides  Hu et Cheng 1948
Common Names
Dawn redwood, water fir, water larch (Dallimore et al. 1967), SHUI
SHAN [Chinese] (literally, water China-fir) (Cheng and Fu 1978)."

If you want to, you can buy dawn redwood seedlings.  Some have
even been formed into bonsai.

<http://www.localharvest.org/store/item.jsp?id=6034>
Jrobb - 23 Apr 2006 23:35 GMT
The Photo is most definitely Lake Tahoe.  The water is so clear that at
the edges near sandy beaches it looks like the Caribbean.  Not sure
where exactly but definitely Tahoe.

J
Jrobb - 23 Apr 2006 23:42 GMT
Here is another pic of the same place:

<http://velonews.com/galleries/contest5a/Contemplating%20Lake%20Tahoe%20from%20th
e%20Flume%20Trail%20-%20by%20Eric%20O'Brien.jpg
>
Jrobb - 23 Apr 2006 23:44 GMT
Sorry for the tripple post but I am posting info as I find it...It is
taken from the Flume trail.  same link to pic but with some more info.

<http://velonews.com/galleries/contest5a/Contemplating%20Lake%20Tahoe%20from%20th
e%20Flume%20Trail%20-%20by%20Eric%20O'Brien.html
>
Jrobb - 23 Apr 2006 23:58 GMT
some more pics of the same place...the hook at the lake is called Sand
Harbor apparently.

<http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://arnica.csustan.edu/mtbike/Tahoe_4/
images/flume2.jpg&imgrefurl=http://arnica.csustan.edu/mtbike/Tahoe_4/&h=600&w=80
0&sz=127&tbnid=rTqX6IuxKPqamM:&tbnh=106&tbnw=142&hl=en&start=1&prev=/images%3Fq%
3Dflume%2Btrail%26hl%3Den%26lr%3Dlang_en%26safe%3Doff
>

<http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.theflumetrail.com/tours/flume_
solo.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.theflumetrail.com/tours/&h=361&w=410&sz=37&tbnid=i
oHxyp-udFSTsM:&tbnh=106&tbnw=121&hl=en&start=6&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dflume%2Btrail%
26hl%3Den%26lr%3Dlang_en%26safe%3Doff
>

<http://images.art.com/images/-/Rich-Reid/Dan-McCoy-biking-the-Flume-Trail-overlo
oking-Lake-Tahoe-from-the-east--C10237965.jpeg
>

<http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.zdap.com/general/flume_trail_w
eb_2005/thumbnails/flume_trail_2005.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.zdap.com/racereport
s/viewtopic.php%3Ft%3D4961&h=240&w=180&sz=12&tbnid=01XJE6_v5fVTXM:&tbnh=104&tbnw
=78&hl=en&start=52&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dflume%2Btrail%26start%3D40%26hl%3Den%26lr%
3Dlang_en%26safe%3Doff%26sa%3DN
>

there it is... just Google-search "Flume Trail" and you'll have more
info than you cna shake a hiking stick at.

J
miles - 25 Apr 2006 01:44 GMT
> Hello all,
>
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>
> 2.  Isn't there a place, maybe in Redwood NP, where a tree straddles the road and you can drive under it?

One of these should help.

http://www.roadsideamerica.com/attract/CAPHItree.html
http://www.redwood.national-park.com/sights.htm#dri
http://www.travel-notes.org/redwds.html
Ed - 09 May 2006 02:20 GMT
>> Hello all,
>>
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> http://www.redwood.national-park.com/sights.htm#dri
> http://www.travel-notes.org/redwds.html
I mean come on folks.

Where are these places? or Where is this place?
Conan Kelly - 09 May 2006 20:11 GMT
> Where are these places? or Where is this place?

Get over yourself, Ed.  When I originally wrote this post, I was going to ask about 1 place (my subject was "Where is this place?").
But in the process of writing it, I remembered that there was another one as well.  In the process of writing this post, finding a
pix on my computer, uploading it to the Internet, I went back and changed the subject line.  Unfortunatly, doing many things at
once, I was distracted and changed "this place" to "these places" without reading the whole subject line.  Obviously, I didn't proof
read my post (or have 5 other people proof read it) before sending it.  I noticed my mistake just a minute or 2 after I sent it.  I
thought about posting a reply explaining myself, but then changed my mind.  I guess it is a good thing that potential employment or
a grade in a class doesn't depend on this post, only the risk of being nit-picked by some jerk-off with too much time on their
hands.  It must be nice to be perfect and never have made a mistake before.  Something else to think about.  Since these NG's are
online and are accessible by people all over the world, "Where is these places?" could vey likely happen from a person for whom
English is a 2nd, 3rd, or 4th language.  Anyone want to start a pool to see if Ed will nit-pick my spelling and grammar in this
post.  I'm not even going to bother to proof read or spell check it just to get on his nerves.  There were 8 people who posted 17
replies and were kind enough to ignore my mistake.  I guess we finally found the one who isn't.
Jet Lag - 13 May 2006 07:12 GMT
Looks like Lake Tahoe.

>> Hello all,
>>
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> http://www.redwood.national-park.com/sights.htm#dri
> http://www.travel-notes.org/redwds.html 
Aaron Montgomery - 13 May 2006 14:15 GMT
>>> Hello all,
>>>
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>>
>  Looks like Lake Tahoe.

Bingo, this image is posted on the webpage below (or it was when I
emailed this out)

http://remote.ucdavis.edu/tahoe_location.asp

Aaron
Lindakay - 13 May 2006 14:17 GMT
> Hello all,
>
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>
> Conan

Looks like pictures of Juneau, AK I've seen from folks traveling up
that way.

The terrain looks similar in these pictures on Google:
http://images.google.com/images?q=Juneau,+AK&hl=en&lr=&rls=com.netscape:en-US&sa
=X&oi=images&ct=title


Lindakay
William Boyd - 14 May 2006 00:31 GMT
>>Hello all,
>>
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
>
> Lindakay

Hello Linda, Those pictures you provided are very beautiful.
The one Conan had is also very nice. I would love to see
some views like those and soon I will.

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