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Dean - 24 Apr 2006 17:08 GMT From a post on RV.NET-
Remember we have the Sunline Solaris 25' being pulled with an 8 cyl 4.7 l engine Toyota 4 Runner. It's great even on climbs and descents but 10,000 feet is going to be too much.
This combo sounds to me like a disaster waiting to happen.
Dean
Advocate - 24 Apr 2006 19:13 GMT > From a post on RV.NET- > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > This combo sounds to me like a disaster waiting to happen. The Sunline trailer is a light rig...that being said, a co-worker had his transmission crap out while he towed his 21' Sunline (2,000 pounds dry) across Kansas on the Interstate in overdrive. His tow vehicle was a Durango with the 360 V8. He said the transmission never hunted once. He also said anytime he towed with the rig in hilly areas he always towed in drive.
Live and learn.
William Boyd - 24 Apr 2006 20:44 GMT > From a post on RV.NET- > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Dean IT IS!
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RonB - 30 Apr 2006 02:19 GMT Not too scary. Unlike most of the Toyota SUV's the 4-Runners (and Land Cruisers) are built on truck frames. The V-8 4-Runner has a towing capacity in the 7,000 - 7,300 range. Depending on the Solaris, the 24-25' trailers are in the 5,000 to 7,000 foot range. Might be iffy for steep, high altitude work but otherwise probably ok.
RonB
RonB - 30 Apr 2006 02:42 GMT PS - The curb weight on the 4-Runner V8 is in the 4,200 to 4,500 pound range. This is comparable to a Silverado 1500HD and only about 800 to 1,000 pounds less than my Chevy 2500HD. The 4-Runner isn't a toy.
RonB
miles - 30 Apr 2006 15:41 GMT > PS - The curb weight on the 4-Runner V8 is in the 4,200 to 4,500 pound > range. This is comparable to a Silverado 1500HD and only about 800 to 1,000 > pounds less than my Chevy 2500HD. The 4-Runner isn't a toy. It also is not a very good tow vehicle. It's 110" wheelbase is way too short to consider it much of a tow vehicle.
William Boyd - 30 Apr 2006 16:07 GMT >> PS - The curb weight on the 4-Runner V8 is in the 4,200 to 4,500 pound >> range. This is comparable to a Silverado 1500HD and only about 800 to >> 1,000 pounds less than my Chevy 2500HD. The 4-Runner isn't a toy. > > It also is not a very good tow vehicle. It's 110" wheelbase is way too > short to consider it much of a tow vehicle. You will also find it to be to light to provide traction with even half the rated load in off road operations. Your trailering load can over run the vehicle if you dont watch it. Do you know what 110" is like, the allowable width of the towed rig is 102", You are not much longer than that.
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miles - 30 Apr 2006 20:11 GMT > You will also find it to be to light to provide traction with even half > the rated load in off road operations. Your trailering load can over run > the vehicle if you dont watch it. Do you know what 110" is like, the > allowable width of the towed rig is 102", You are not much longer than > that. Not sure how you calculated that 102". Most people towing have trailers that exceed the length of their tow vehicle. I tow a 23' with my 120" Durango. It's about right for that vehicle. I don't think much longer would be acceptable.
Chris Cowles - 30 Apr 2006 23:54 GMT > Not sure how you calculated that 102". Most people towing have trailers > that exceed the length of their tow vehicle. I tow a 23' with my 120" > Durango. It's about right for that vehicle. I don't think much longer > would be acceptable. I have a new 2005 Durango Hemi and currently tow a Coleman Mesa, ~3000 lbs. We bought the Durango with thoughts toward a small travel trailer. Would you care to share the details of what you're towing and how you connect it?
I used to tow the Mesa with a '95 Astro and a Reese Mini-350, a class 2 weight distributing hitch. I towed it with the Durango last month with just the standard hitch (matched properly for height) and noticed a little more sway and vertical motion. For my next trip, I'll reconfigure the Mini-350 for the Durango, to see if that improves it.
The Mesa is more prone to sway than some others, having the door aft of the axle.
TIA.
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miles - 01 May 2006 00:09 GMT > I have a new 2005 Durango Hemi and currently tow a Coleman Mesa, ~3000 lbs. > We bought the Durango with thoughts toward a small travel trailer. Would > you care to share the details of what you're towing and how you connect it? I have a 2004 Hemi Durango and love it. I tow a Starcraft Travelstar 21SSO hybrid trailer. It is about 23' long with a dry weight of 3800lbs. Loaded it weighs just under 5,000lbs. The Durango pulls it with ease.
I used to tow the same trailer with a 2001 Dodge Ram 1/2 ton. With that truck I only had a standard weight distribution hitch. Towed fine but semi's passing knocked me all over the road on windy days.
With the Durango I purchased an Equalizer brand hitch that has built in anti-sway. The Durango handles extremely well with this setup even in high winds. I would say the Hemi Durango can handle up to 24' and 6,000lbs without trouble. I do live in a rugged mountain region so pulling steep grades is a major issue.
Chris Cowles - 01 May 2006 02:44 GMT > I have a 2004 Hemi Durango and love it. I tow a Starcraft Travelstar > 21SSO hybrid trailer. It is about 23' long with a dry weight of 3800lbs. > Loaded it weighs just under 5,000lbs. The Durango pulls it with ease. Would you care to comment on the qualities of the Travelstar? That type of trailer (hybrid, 20'-24') is pretty much what we envision purchasing to replace the Mesa. Is there sufficient storage that you don't have to move stuff all the time, when using it? That, lack of a shower, and the work involved in setup, is what's making pop-up camping not as fun any more.
What is the risk of water penetration in the fold-out bunk ends? We spoke with owners of a different brand that traded their hybrid back for a regular travel trailer. They had problems with water penetration at the seals when driving in the rain.
Also, what is the risk of getting the bunks wet if opening or closing in the rain? In 10 years of camping I don't know how I've escaped it, but I never had to do that. I'm confident in being able to set up without getting the inside wet, but am not as confident about preventing significant water intrusion if closing it while raining. Are the tent ends on a hybrid any different from those on a pop-up? Perhaps they're permanently attached to the bunk bottom, so as to avoid exposure of the bunk mattress? That's probably wishful thinking.
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miles - 01 May 2006 03:12 GMT > Would you care to comment on the qualities of the Travelstar? That type of > trailer (hybrid, 20'-24') is pretty much what we envision purchasing to [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > the bunk bottom, so as to avoid exposure of the bunk mattress? That's > probably wishful thinking. Our first trip with our Travelstar was sure a good test. Just after we set up and turned in for the night the skies opened up on us. It was a typical monsoon complete with very hard rain and 30-40mph winds. We stayed completely dry. The trailer shook from the wind and the rain was rather noisy so sleeping wasn't so good but we did stay nice and dry.
I have had to fold up in a light rain but never a severe storm. In that case I pulled the mattress off the bed bottom and then went back outside to finish. The canvas is attached along the top and sides but not to the bed bottom. I folded the bed bottom up and then went back inside and used a towel to wipe up the canvas. I stood the bed mattress up in the rear of the trailer and its held in place by the slide out once its slid in. With a popup trailer its not easy to get inside to wipe the canvas dry after folding up. With a hybrid its no problem at all.
There is considerably more storage space in our Travelstar 21SSO than we had in our popups. We no longer have to pile luggage all over the floor of the trailer as we did with the popup. A large fridge and freezer is a huge plus. The 21SSO does lack in counter space but the room the slide out provides is great.
Setup and take down is much faster with a hybrid than the popup. Mostly because I no longer have to haul out luggage from the floor as I did with the popup. Also if two beds are not needed you can just fold down one. Can't do that with a popup. Same with ability to unfold either beds without having to unhitch when just stopping for 1 night.
I've been out with my travelstar at least 20 or 30 times in the 2 years I've had it, usually for 2 to 4 days each time. I'll never go back to a popup!!
RonB - 02 May 2006 00:59 GMT > It also is not a very good tow vehicle. It's 110" wheelbase is way too > short to consider it much of a tow vehicle. Yeah - I'll agree that short wheel base does not make a great tow vehicle. I pulled a 21' Road Ranger TT with a full sized '86 Blazer. You had to keep your mind on the road. However, it could do the job.
Will Sill - 30 Apr 2006 12:09 GMT I see where "RonB" <rbrogan@cox.net> contributed:
>Not too scary. Unlike most of the Toyota SUV's the 4-Runners (and Land >Cruisers) are built on truck frames. The V-8 4-Runner has a towing capacity >in the 7,000 - 7,300 range. Depending on the Solaris, the 24-25' trailers >are in the 5,000 to 7,000 foot range. Might be iffy for steep, high >altitude work but otherwise probably ok. 4-Runners are NOT suitable for serious towing, even if equipped with the V10 Viper engine. Reasons include too-short wheelbase.
Will Sill The Curmudgeon of Sill Hill
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