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Dry rotted tires
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ninebal310@aol.com - 07 May 2006 12:47 GMT I have an 2004 class C on a Ford chassis. It came with Michelon LTX tires. The tires seem to be cracking. I know that sun damage will cause this, but 2 years seems a little early. Also, since both sides are doing this and only one side faces the sun, is there other causes?
What can I expect if I ask for replacements. These tires only have 13K miles.
TIA
Hank <~~~likes strong rubbers
Advocate - 07 May 2006 16:11 GMT >I have an 2004 class C on a Ford chassis. It came with Michelon LTX > tires. The tires seem to be cracking. I know that sun damage will cause [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > What can I expect if I ask for replacements. These tires only have 13K > miles. I would suspect Michelin will pro-rate the tires and help you out somewhat. Don't ask though...stand your ground.
RichA - 07 May 2006 16:37 GMT >I have an 2004 class C on a Ford chassis. It came with Michelon LTX >tires. The tires seem to be cracking. I know that sun damage will cause [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > >Hank <~~~likes strong rubbers Hi, The tires are cracking because of non use. When you run a tire oils in the tire compound get forced throughout the tire and to the outside. When it sits the oils can't migrate throughout the tire so it cracks and dry rots. Sitting is not good for the tires or the RV.
Michelin may prorate the tires since they are only 2 years old. Or they may not since it's not their fault the tires are not being used. Give em a call and see what they say. You should drive the RV at least every month for 30 - 50 miles if you are not already doing that. Helps the tires and the rest of the mechanical drive train.
Take care and Happy Campin...
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Jon Porter - 08 May 2006 02:27 GMT >>I have an 2004 class C on a Ford chassis. It came with Michelon LTX >>tires. The tires seem to be cracking. I know that sun damage will cause [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > When it sits the oils can't migrate throughout the tire so it cracks and > dry rots. Sitting is not good for the tires or the RV. While I agree in general with what you said, I'm not so sure that's the problem in this case. I'm comparing this to another 2 year old vehicle that I know of with very close to the same milage on it. Different brand of tires I'm sure, but no cracking on them. It does get driven almost daily though.
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ninebal310@aol.com - 08 May 2006 13:08 GMT Update:
The local Michelon dealer is going to replace all 6 tires for $299.75. They are suppose to get the tires in tomorrow.
I'll keep you posted if it happens.
Hank
tkranz - 09 May 2006 17:09 GMT WOW! Way to go. It's not so often we hear of such a good result to a problem with tires.
> Update: > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Hank William Boyd - 09 May 2006 20:01 GMT > I have an 2004 class C on a Ford chassis. It came with Michelon LTX > tires. The tires seem to be cracking. I know that sun damage will cause [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Hank <~~~likes strong rubbers You getting them replaced is fine, but still does not answer why it happened. They will dry rot ok from none use but not in that short time. Suggest you check the date they were made, could be they were old when installed.
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RichA - 10 May 2006 04:28 GMT >> I have an 2004 class C on a Ford chassis. It came with Michelon LTX >> tires. The tires seem to be cracking. I know that sun damage will cause [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >in that short time. Suggest you check the date they were >made, could be they were old when installed. Hi Bill, They will crack in that short of a period of time if you let them sit. Had that happen to my 2001 CR-V. It was only used as a toad and parked the rest of the time for the first 3 years we owned it. So that means it was parked 5 to 7 months every year. All four tires developed hairline cracks within 2 to 3 years. I replaced all four tires last year, they were another brand not Michlins. It's not really dry rot it's the oils not being forced to the outside of the tires. The rubber then gets hard and cracks.
Take care and Happy Campin...
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William Boyd - 10 May 2006 04:37 GMT >>>I have an 2004 class C on a Ford chassis. It came with Michelon LTX >>>tires. The tires seem to be cracking. I know that sun damage will cause [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > Take care and Happy Campin... OH! Why didn't you say they were Firestone in the first place. ;-)
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RichA - 10 May 2006 05:56 GMT >>>>I have an 2004 class C on a Ford chassis. It came with Michelon LTX >>>>tires. The tires seem to be cracking. I know that sun damage will cause [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] >OH! Why didn't you say they were Firestone in the first >place. ;-) Hi Bill, They were not Firestones or Bridgestones. They were BFGoodrich and were replace with Firestones. But I also keep enough air pressure in them to not have problems :)
Take care and Happy Campin...
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Dave and Trudy - 10 May 2006 09:34 GMT >>> I have an 2004 class C on a Ford chassis. It came with Michelon LTX >>> tires. The tires seem to be cracking. I know that sun damage will cause [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > > Take care and Happy Campin... I have followed this thread for some time and have one question. Did the Michelin LTXs have raised white letters on them? If so, then the problem probably was not dry rot or weather checking. Michelin had a problem for a time with their tires with the raised white letters. They used two different rubber compounds, one in the black sidewalls and another for the white letters. The two compounds had different rates of exansion, contraction, and flexibility. Results - the white letters caused cracks in the sidewalls. Michelin determined that these cracks or splits did not compromise the integrity of the tires but rather were a cosmetic problem only. However, at my tire shop we continued to honor the warranty and replaced the tires. Just a thought.
Dave D
ninebal310@aol.com - 11 May 2006 10:27 GMT Last update hopefully. <begin rant> I dropped the MH off. When I dropped it off I asked the counter guy if they knew how to get the wheel covers off and if they needed the tool that came with the MH. He said they knew how and that they had the tool.
So, my wife and I went shopping. While returning I noticed it was parked in a different spot. Hooray.....It's done!
My wife dropped me off and headed home. I went over to look at it before I entered the business. I noticed that the right side dual had both valve cores coming out the same hole. I am under the impression that they should be 180 degrees apart. No big deal. I'll just have them turn the outer rim 180.
After approaching the counter, the "counter man" advised me that the "tire guy" lost one of the inside dual extenders and one of the lugs that hold the wheel cover on. I am thinking "oh sh.t, how does a person loose more than one item in a shop such as this. It is a "TIRE" shop. They sell tires and wheels. They don't do anything else. But again I thought it is no big deal because I am sure they have the parts they lost. I was wrong. The "counter guy" said it may take a few days and to bring it back. I advised him that I live 25 miles away and get 9-10 miles per gallon and he can do the math to see how much it will cost me to bring it back. He seemed surprised so I gave him a quick math lesson. I told him it is 50 miles round trip and I'll use 5 gallons of gas. "IF" I can find gas for only $2.50 a gallon (which I can't because gas is $2.89) it will cost me at least $12.50. Now he was more surprised. I also told him that there was a RV center 2 blocks away and they would have the extenders and wheel cover lugs. The light finally turned on over his head and he called them to see if they had the parts. They said they did so he sent the "parts runner guy" to get them. In the mean time he found the wheel cover lug. Cool!
After about and hour the "parts runner guy" returned and the "tire guy" began work. I asked the "counter guy" I was going to watch, he said it would be ok.
Tire Guy get it jacked up and gets out his impact wrench and starts to remove the wheel cover. After he takes off the first wheel cover lug I notice the chrome/stainless cover of the lug is cracked. I told him he cracked the cover and he denied it, he said it was already cracked and that they had to use the impact wrench to get it off. I told him that was bullshit because I had taken the covers off about 2 weeks earlier it clean them and they couldn't be on that tight using the proper tool that came with the MH. I went to the compartment where I keep the tool and got it out for him. After he used it, he agreed that using the proper tool wouldn't have cracked the outer casing. OK, no big deal. I'll replace them later. I did advise the counter guy that I may bring him a bill if they are expensive. He agreed.
Finally, I am out of there. After parking it in the driveway I also noticed that the front wheel cover was crooked. I got out the tool and removed the cover to install it correctly. I noticed they had bent the cover while installing them with the impact wrench ( I presume). I was able to pound it out easily with a mallet. There is still a VERY small dent tho. Also, they didn't install either of the front extenders. Damn!
This was the worse cluster f**k I have seen in many years. They obviously hire inexperienced help (kids) and don't train them. I don't blame the kids, they just do what they are told. I blame the management for not training/supervising them. I also learned that just because it is a "Tire Store", it doesn't mean they know everything.
<end of rant>
To answer Dave: No, they weren't white letter tires.
Hank <~~~tire guy wannabe
Dave and Trudy - 12 May 2006 08:05 GMT ///rant snipped for brevity/// Damn Hank, Where did you take your rig? Let us all know so we can avoid them. Didn't really think that it was the "raised white letter" problem returned but it was a possibility. Michelin's quality is (at least used to be) very good. As one other poster suggested, perhaps they were already old when they were installed. Too bad you had such an experience, makes the tire shops that are trying to do a good job look bad. Honestly, there are some good shops out there....
Dave
ninebal310@aol.com - 12 May 2006 11:41 GMT Dave writes: Damn Hank, Where did you take your rig? Let us all know so we can avoid them. Didn't really think that it was the "raised white letter" problem returned but it was a possibility. Michelin's quality is (at least used to be) very good. As one other poster suggested, perhaps they were already old when they were installed. Too bad you had such an experience, makes the tire shops that are trying to do a good job look bad. Honestly, there are some good shops out there....
Dave
Hi Dave,
It was one of the biggest tire stores in Columbus, Ohio. It was Discount Tires.
I know there are good tire stores. One is right down the road from me. I went there first but they aren't a Michelon dealer. Oh well.
I agree that they may have been sitting for while before I bought this MH new in 04. But, why aren't any of my other tires cracking? I have a trailer that I bought in 2000 and it sits more than the MH and also in the same location in regards to sunlight. I am soooooo confused. :-)
Hank <~~easily confused
Jon Porter - 13 May 2006 21:07 GMT > Dave writes: > Damn Hank, [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > I know there are good tire stores. One is right down the road from > me. I went there first but they aren't a Michelon dealer. Oh well. I've never dealt with them, they appear to be relatively new to the area (and are on the other side of town from me anyway). I've used NTB off of Sawmill or Wilson Road, and have always had good results from them. They installed Michelins on my Class B, but because they are truck tires, I had to order them in advance and wait a couple days. They also had to special order the stems at the same time.
That's been my experience with tire dealers. Unless you go somewhere that's specifically set up to handle trucks, you have to keep an eye on what they are doing. I do specify that they tighten the lugs with a torque wrench, there was that time that I broke a wrench trying to change a flat on the car with a thunderstorm approaching. Those guys in those car tire shops also don't know about inflation tables for trucks, along with the fact that there's greatly higher pressures required in some truck tires.
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John Andrews - 13 May 2006 04:30 GMT > ///rant snipped for brevity/// > Damn Hank, [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Dave Actually, the best shop is the one that will let you stand behind the mechanic and oversee him doing a job that he rarely if ever does. The shop that I go to is good, but I think mine is the only RV that they service. Everytime I am in there, there is another Corvette getting tires. Anyway, last time they did work for me on the RV, I took it over in the late afternoon and they began work on it in the morning just as I got there to oversee. I am glad I was there. I had to help the mechanic several times including no to the speed wrench for the nuts for the wheel covers, and help with the extensions.
John Andrews, Knoxville, Tennessee
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