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My wife and I will be camping for a month in the continental divide area of Wyoming, Montana, and Idaho. I assume our chances to use wifi will be few and that we will be using dialup at campgrounds that have it. I have further been assuming that I should set up my dialup to use a calling card which I have done. Then I realized that I don't really *know* how campground owners will have things set up. Can one of you who have had to use dialup during your trips let me know what I should expect? We are leaving shortly so something that requires buying something like cables to use for a cell phone hookup is not on my list of possible solutions at this point. TIA. Dick Snyder > My wife and I will be camping for a month in the continental divide > area of Wyoming, Montana, and Idaho. I assume our chances to use [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > of you who have had to use dialup during your trips let me know what > I should expect? You can expect a phone jack like the one at home, if the campground in fact has a place for dial up. It will most likely be in the office area, the laundry room, the rec/game room. The only thing you will need is about a 10 foot phone cord, a list of your provider's local phone numbers & their 800# if no local number is available. Forget the calling card for computer hookup. Tom J Tom J wrote: >>My wife and I will be camping for a month in the continental divide >>area of Wyoming, Montana, and Idaho. I assume our chances to use [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > Tom J I have seen the calling card work, but it's tricky to set up. Some local phone companies can't handle that many numbers, too. An 800# is your best bet as many of these remote places don't have local access numbers or the campground won't accept them. Learn how to use your mail client's ability to download email for reading and replying to offline. Don't use the jack for more than 15 minutes if anyone else is waiting.  Signature----------- Janet Wilder The Road Princess http://janetwilder.blogspot.com >Forget the calling card for computer hookup. I respectfully disagree. No harm in keeping a setup for that in case you need it. It's entirely possible that in some areas where you are (a) there will be no local dialup number and (b) it would much cheaper to use a calling card than the ISP's 800#. For example, when I was on AT&T Worldnet, their 800# cost $.10/min. But I had a dial-around (OneSuite) account that cost $.029/min. When I didn't have a local dialup, guess which method I used. (I thought it outrageous that AT&T, one of the biggest LD phone companies, would rip off its ISP customers who were already paying for access. Obviously it couldn't be free, because people would abuse it. But it could have been more reasonable than it was. The irritating thing to me is that OneSuite can lease lines from other LD carriers and still make money at $.029/min.) It worked fine. I added enough commas (1 comma = 2 seconds of delay) in the string so that it waited the right amount of time before dialing the next number. Took a couple of tries to get it right, and it was fine from then on. GB in NC > For example, when I was on AT&T Worldnet, their 800# cost $.10/min. But > I had a dial-around (OneSuite) account that cost $.029/min. When I [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > to me is that OneSuite can lease lines from other LD carriers and still > make money at $.029/min.) OneSuite sounds pretty "sweet" GB. Is the service good? Meaning good connection, etc.? HC >OneSuite sounds pretty "sweet" GB. Is the service good? Meaning good >connection, etc.? Flawless. Always. We've been using it for all of our landline long-distance calling for several years and have never had any kind of problem with it. We have the toll-free access number on our speed-dials (they don't have a local access number where we live). We use the "automatic PIN" feature (whatever they call it) so all we have to do is hit the speed dial, wait a couple of seconds for the voice prompt, and then enter the number to be called. I also like the 2 to 4 cents a minute calls to most countries in western Europe. Comes in handy when my wife is traveling (she goes over at least a couple of times a year) and I want to check in with her. They now have international access numbers so she can call me from over there, although it's not as cheap as calling from here to there. I've used it countless times for landline dialup 'net access when there wasn't a local number where I was. Works fine for that too. From where we live, almost everybody we call is long-distance. We never hesitate to call whenever we feel like it and talk as long as we want to, and our total cost is usually a couple of dollars a month. I recharge it with $10 every few months, and that's it. We never make long distance landline calls without using it. I can't say enough good about it (although I tried <g>). GB in NC snipped > I can't say enough good about it (although I tried <g>). > > GB in NC We've got it also, thanks to you <g>, but have found a quirk with it. Viola used it a couple of times for a fairly long conversation with the kids. When the online time was too long, she got cut off and had to redial. Aside from that strange quirk we are more than happy with One Suite. Hugh >We've got it also, thanks to you <g>, but have found a quirk with it. >Viola used it a couple of times for a fairly long conversation with >the kids. When the online time was too long, she got cut off and had >to redial. Aside from that strange quirk we are more than happy with >One Suite. Hmmm. We've never had that happen, and we've had some long calls in the past -- although now we mostly use the cellphones for the long, chatty ones, since our free minutes start at 7 p.m. So we're not likely to run into it now. Most of the calls we make on OneSuite now are during the day and are related to business matters (such as having to do with building the new house) or with my wife's university duties or whatever. We also use OneSuite to fax business stuff during the day. Works great for that too. At under 3 cents a minute, we can fax many pages for *far* less than what it would cost to mail them -- and they're there immediately. Just can't beat it. To tell you the truth, I don't know why everybody doesn't use it. I mean that. GB in NC >> Forget the calling card for computer hookup. > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > dialup number and (b) it would much cheaper to use a calling card than > the ISP's 800#. <snip> > It worked fine. I added enough commas (1 comma = 2 seconds of delay) in > the string so that it waited the right amount of time before dialing the > next number. Took a couple of tries to get it right, and it was fine > from then on. I have to agree with NC/GB. In some circumstances, I have even found that using the calling card to call my "home" number provides better speed than the "local" or most nearby number. The speed is useful to me when I am downloading large files from a binaries newsgroup to which I subscribe. One other approach I have taken is to find a local hotel with wi-fi service and drive (the towed) to within its range. Local libraries also frequently have wi-fi available. Considering that the download dial-up speed in some parts of the country is 14.4, the extra time and gasoline to do the above is a justifiable expense. Pay attention to the commas, as pointed out. If your laptop has a decent speaker, you can probably hear the calling card prompts and adjust the timing accordingly. If it doesn't work, just add another comma. You'd have to go a long time before a timeout. I have never experienced a phone connection that failed to respond to any (correct) length string I presented to it. Ken H > My wife and I will be camping for a month in the continental divide > area of Wyoming, Montana, and Idaho. I assume our chances to use wifi [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Dick Snyder Chances are, in those places, if they have cable, they may also have wifi (cable in those areas are pushing cable internet, and there are groups that install WiFi for users of cable systems). Just out of curiosity, why do you assume no wifi? At my place in rathdrum ID (90 miles to the canadian border), the Spokane-Rathdrum Skynet has over 250 sq miles of WiFi coverage. I used to use it on my PDA when I was out on my ATV... Go figger, No cell coverage in many areas, but WiFi workd! That's a pretty big "hotspot" :) Maybe I am just out of date as I know wifi is growing quickly. My wife and I took a trip down the east coast a year ago and found no wifi. Thus the assumption....... I would LOVE to be wrong! >> My wife and I will be camping for a month in the continental divide >> area of Wyoming, Montana, and Idaho. I assume our chances to use wifi [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > on my ATV... Go figger, No cell coverage in many areas, but WiFi workd! > That's a pretty big "hotspot" :) > Maybe I am just out of date as I know wifi is growing quickly. My > wife and I took a trip down the east coast a year ago and found no > wifi. Thus the assumption....... I would LOVE to be wrong! I didn't get a wifi card until 3 years ago. I seldom get on line any other way anymore. I haven't been into Mexico since going wifi, but have been in 6 Canadian Provinces & Territories and at least 18 US States since then, and seldom been over a couple of days between getting a usable wifi signal. My guess is, your system was not properly set up. Tom J who can get 3 open wifi signals from where I'm sitting know, in my den at home ;-) My system will get wifi just fine. I have wifi at home and in my office. I am just assuming, hopefully incorrectly, that I will not be in range of wifi hotspots. I will find out shortly! >> Maybe I am just out of date as I know wifi is growing quickly. My >> wife and I took a trip down the east coast a year ago and found no [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > who can get 3 open wifi signals from where I'm sitting know, in my den at > home ;-) > My system will get wifi just fine. I have wifi at home and in my > office. I am just assuming, hopefully incorrectly, that I will not > be > in range of wifi hotspots. I will find out shortly! Just as I thought. Learn how to set it to look for ANY signal, not just the one at home. Tom J Believe me, I do not have a problem with my computer and wireless. You are misunderstanding my post. On a recent trip to the Pacific Northwest (not in an RV but in hotels) I was able to connect to whatever local wifi system was in the area. Many times I had several choices. >> My system will get wifi just fine. I have wifi at home and in my >> office. I am just assuming, hopefully incorrectly, that I will not be [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Tom J > My system will get wifi just fine. I have wifi at home and in my office. I > am just assuming, hopefully incorrectly, that I will not be in range of wifi [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] >>who can get 3 open wifi signals from where I'm sitting know, in my den at >>home ;-) Try this site: http://www.wififreespot.com/ or this one: http://www.wi-fihotspotlist.com/ Signature----------- Janet Wilder The Road Princess http://janetwilder.blogspot.com Thanks Janet. I know about the websites and have printed out all the ones in the three states we plan to travel. The original purpose for my posting was for when we are camping and not near a wifi hotspot (and I am assuming that will be often but I hope I am wrong). In those locations, I believe I will have to use dialup. >> My system will get wifi just fine. I have wifi at home and in my office. >> I am just assuming, hopefully incorrectly, that I will not be in range of [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > Try this site: http://www.wififreespot.com/ or this one: > http://www.wi-fihotspotlist.com/ Then check out http://www.netstumbler.org/ It scans for WiFi. You can download and install the program for free... The cost is right $0, and there may be wifi where you are, what have you got to lose? You can still use dialup if there is no WiFI... Beats tramping out of the RV and standing in line to use a dial-up. It's not a one or the other, why not have both options? Just for an example, I was in Dawson City Yukon, and the place had no dialup, I returned to my vehicle all dejected, powered up the laptop for something else, happened to check netstumbler, and there was WiFi available! > Maybe I am just out of date as I know wifi is growing quickly. My > wife and I took a trip down the east coast a year ago and found no [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] >> my PDA when I was out on my ATV... Go figger, No cell coverage in >> many areas, but WiFi workd! That's a pretty big "hotspot" :) > Then check out http://www.netstumbler.org/ It scans for WiFi. You can > download and install the program for free... The cost is right $0, and [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > the laptop for something else, happened to check netstumbler, and there > was WiFi available! You do not need any program to discover WiFi. The discovery proces is built-in Windows XP when you have a wireless WiFi card in your laptop, and most laptops come with WiFi in them without the need for any cards. Just click on Refresh network list in the dialog box Wireless Network Connection. One way to get this dialog box is by clicking on the little wireless icon on the right bottom area of the Start banner... Al >> Then check out http://www.netstumbler.org/ It scans for WiFi. You can >> download and install the program for free... The cost is right $0, [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > clicking on the little wireless icon on the right bottom area of the > Start banner... Al Sure, you don't need it, if you know how to use what you have, but the OP (and many others I have seen) set it to ONLY connect to their networks, and never see what else is out there... The OP said he had traveled the east coast and not found a single solitary wireless system. I go up and down 95 and find tens of thousands of em.... Sounds like he has his setting whacky, and only sees his.. Since the netstumbler is free, why not give it a shot? (at least it will see whats around without the zero wireless config stuff)... I am the OP (original poster) and my post and subsequent posts are being misunderstood. If I am in range of a wifi hotspot, I will see it just as was described. I have no problem seeing any wifi networks in range using the software in Windows XP. My purpose in doing the original post was based on the assumption that in the places where we would be camping, there would be no wifi facilities in range at all. Therefore I would be forced to use dialup and that was what I was asking about. I really hope I am wrong and lots of campgrounds have wifi networks going............ >>> Then check out http://www.netstumbler.org/ It scans for WiFi. You can >>> download and install the program for free... The cost is right $0, [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > netstumbler is free, why not give it a shot? (at least it will see whats > around without the zero wireless config stuff)... > My wife and I will be camping for a month in the continental divide area of > Wyoming, Montana, and Idaho. I assume our chances to use wifi will be few [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Dick Snyder There will usually be one jack. Many times it will require a toll-free number. Chances are there will not be a local access number for the major ISPs. The calling card should work, but I've personally seen where the local phone company just couldn't handle the length of the string and the calls would not go through. You might be better off with an ISP that will offer a toll free number. Learn how to use your mail client for downloading email to read and reply to offline. There is usually one jack and lots of people who need it. 15 minutes is the generally accepted limit. Signature----------- Janet Wilder The Road Princess http://janetwilder.blogspot.com >> My wife and I will be camping for a month in the continental divide area >> of Wyoming, Montana, and Idaho. I assume our chances to use wifi will be [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > and lots of people who need it. 15 minutes is the generally accepted > limit. Glad this subject came up! We're going to be out 'n' about by this fall, then stay in TX for winter, out 'n' about during spring, back here for summer. I'm considering going Verizon Wireless, as we are already on them for cell phones, and drop the landline completely, just not up to speed on how it all works(yes, I know, in this day and age I'm on the trailing edge of technology. Left the computer career in '87 and although I'm *fairly* computer savvy, there is a lot that passed me by). If the campground offers phone jack hookup @ your campsite, you should be able to use that line, shouldn't you? Of course, this means leaving my faithful old home ISP and going to AOL or somesuch, but that's still a little way off. I'll be watching any further discussion. SignatureNahmie The only road to success is always under construction. >If the campground offers >phone jack hookup @ your campsite, you should be able to use that line, >shouldn't you? Certainly. If you can hook a telephone to it, you can also hook a computer to it. >Of course, this means leaving my faithful old home ISP and >going to AOL or somesuch, but that's still a little way off. I'll be >watching any further discussion. Aaaaccckkkkk!!! I'd give up the 'net if I had to use AOHell. BT, DT. Never again. Read the rest of the thread. There are much better ways to go than to resort to that. You can easily continue to use your home ISP without any changes at all. Just get a calling card or sign up online with OneSuite.com. You can use that method to dial any of your ISP's numbers in the US for under three cents a minute -- from 1/4 to 1/3 of what most ISPs charge to use their "toll-free" (yeah, right) numbers. GB in NC > You can easily continue to use your home ISP without any changes at > all. Just get a calling card or sign up online with OneSuite.com. You > can use that method to dial any of your ISP's numbers in the US for > under three cents a minute -- from 1/4 to 1/3 of what most ISPs > charge to use their "toll-free" (yeah, right) numbers. One other thing. I don't know how it is with services like G Mail or Yahoo mail, but there certainly must be more ISPs than Earthlink that allow you to read, write, reply, forward, store, and delete emails via a Web site such as what Earthlink calls Webmail. I have found that very useful when using someone else's computer (such as a general computer in a community center or one in a library). As Charles Ives (on the score to Tone Roads No. 3) said, "There are many roads, you know, besides the Wabash." Ken H Ken > One other thing. I don't know how it is with services like G Mail or > Yahoo mail, but there certainly must be more ISPs than Earthlink that > allow you to read, write, reply, forward, store, and delete emails via a > Web site such as what Earthlink calls Webmail. I have found that very > useful when using someone else's computer (such as a general computer in > a community center or one in a library). I think most ISPs do. I know AOL has that service. They also keep your address book in their server so you have all the addresses on hand if you are like in a library. My broadband ISP at home has a website I can use, too. Signature----------- Janet Wilder The Road Princess http://janetwilder.blogspot.com > Glad this subject came up! We're going to be out 'n' about by this fall, > then stay in TX for winter, out 'n' about during spring, back here for [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > going to AOL or somesuch, but that's still a little way off. I'll be > watching any further discussion. Most of the seasonal-type CGs have phones at the site, especially if the part of Texas you intend to winter in is the Rio Grande Valley. Some of the more "upscale" RV parks in The Valley have free or low cost WiFi. If a campground you intend to winter-over in offers cable, you might be able to get a cable line for your computer,too. RVers have found that the cable company will give them the Internet service for short-terms. Verizon Wireless, if you have the right phone, is a great deal for getting onto the Internet. Many of us don't pay anything extra, just minutes of use. I suggest you consider joining the Yahoo Group InternetByCellPhone. Spell it that way...without spaces and caps where shown. You'll get some excellent into. Read the turotials first. If the moderator thinks you asked an "inapropriate" question, he is quite nasty. This email address works. Feel free to email me if you think I'll be any help. I may not answer after Thursday for a day or two as I'm having surgery. Signature----------- Janet Wilder The Road Princess http://janetwilder.blogspot.com With my calling card you dial an 800 number and then enter digits to the number you dialed (Sprint in this case) so I wouldn't think the local exchanges would have any problems. I guess I will find out ............. >> My wife and I will be camping for a month in the continental divide area >> of Wyoming, Montana, and Idaho. I assume our chances to use wifi will be [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > and lots of people who need it. 15 minutes is the generally accepted > limit. > With my calling card you dial an 800 number and then enter digits to > the number you dialed (Sprint in this case) so I wouldn't think the > local exchanges would have any problems. I guess I will find out To connect a computer to your isp using a calling card, you have to dial 1800????, then comas for proper pauses for it to ring and ask for your code, then your calling card code, then more commas for proper pauses for dial tone and then enter you isp number after that - all in the same string. I finally gave up on getting that to work reliably every time. YMMV SignatureTom J Some mistakes are too much fun to only make once. but on this 1 the fun ran out!! Windows XP has a reasonable calling card configuration tool. It took a couple of experiments but it works fine now. >> With my calling card you dial an 800 number and then enter digits to >> the number you dialed (Sprint in this case) so I wouldn't think the [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > I finally gave up on getting that to work reliably every time. > YMMV Don't write wireless off to fast. We have stayed in a couple of campgrounds near motels that have good, open access. We have also visited some small towns that have local providers that provide open wireless near the downtown area. It is also available near schools and libraries. For that matter many libraries will allow use of their machines if you sign up (usually free or a buck or so.) If you have a flash drive you can send info, pictures etc from the flash pretty easily. With wireless becoming less expensive I suspect more campgrounds will follow the marketing lessons of most hotels and Motels RonB > My wife and I will be camping for a month in the continental divide area > of Wyoming, Montana, and Idaho. I assume our chances to use wifi will be [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Dick Snyder I pray you are right. After using a cable modem and wifi in my house for several years I do not relish going back to dialup! > Don't write wireless off to fast. We have stayed in a couple of > campgrounds near motels that have good, open access. We have also visited [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] >> >> Dick Snyder >My wife and I will be camping for a month in the continental divide area of >Wyoming, Montana, and Idaho. I assume our chances to use wifi will be few [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > >Dick Snyder dick, we've run into free wi-fi (read that as no-extra-charge wi-fi) at every campground and rv park we used during our spring trip (mar-may) this year. some parks were out in the boonies and i was surprised to find wi-fi at those places. all but one of those parks also maintained a dial-up port in the laundry room, rec room etc. but i never saw anyone using it. most of those dial-up ports had notes nearby stating that only an toll free number could be dialed. if you run into that you obviously wouldn't want to use your calling card. if by chance you're a verizon wireless customer and you have a motorola v710 phone and your laptop is equipped with bluetooth i may be able to walk you thru the setup process to use your cell for ackdoor access to the web. have a great trip! 73, rich, n9dko >most of those dial-up ports had notes >nearby stating that only an toll free number could be dialed. if you >run into that you obviously wouldn't want to use your calling card. But wait! If that's the case I'd WANT to use a calling card (or OneSuite). You start by dialing a toll-free number for access.... GB in NC >>most of those dial-up ports had notes >>nearby stating that only an toll free number could be dialed. if you [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > >GB in NC i 'spose you could use your calling card to dial their 800 number for access to the telco network and then dial your local ISP node. that assumes your calling card would be less p/m than the ISP's toll free access. 73, rich, n9dko >>If that's the case I'd WANT to use a calling card (or OneSuite). You >>start by dialing a toll-free number for access.... >> >>GB in NC >i 'spose you could use your calling card to dial their 800 number for >access to the telco network and then dial your local ISP node. That's what I meant. >that >assumes your calling card would be less p/m than the ISP's toll free >access. With OneSuite and Sam's/Wal-Mart calling cards, the cost is usually 2.5-4 cents a minute, compared with 10 cents on most ISPs' "toll-free" numbers. I'll take a 60-75% discount anytime I can get one, even on a couple of bucks. I didn't get to where I am in life by wasting money <g>. GB in NC Can one of you who have had to use dialup during > your trips let me know what I should expect? We stay at our park for 5 months so we get a phone (line) put in=Dialup Many parks have a free place to plug in your laptop as long as you re using either a local access number, or an 800 style number for dialup.[No LD] They generally put a limit on time, like 5 -10min or so to make access available to all. Such an arrangement would never be satisfactory to me. I am often on line 8-10 hours per day and download/upload 100 megs plus. I haven't had to pay for wifi in the last 8 of 9 stops. Having to do so is a major factor to us. Dean > Can one of you who have had to use dialup during >> your trips let me know what I should expect? [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >They generally put a limit on time, like 5 -10min or so to make access >available to all. > Such an arrangement would never be satisfactory to me. I am often on > line 8-10 hours per day and download/upload 100 megs plus. I say, Dean, are you RVing or PCing in an RV? As we learned years ago, "Yes, Virginia, there IS a difference."<g> KH > Such an arrangement would never be satisfactory to me. I am often on > line 8-10 hours per day and download/upload 100 megs plus. Someone needs a hobby... >> Such an arrangement would never be satisfactory to me. I am often on >> line 8-10 hours per day and download/upload 100 megs plus. > >Someone needs a hobby... what makes you think THAT isn't a hobby?? 73, rich, n9dko >>> Such an arrangement would never be satisfactory to me. I am often on >>> line 8-10 hours per day and download/upload 100 megs plus. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >73, >rich, n9dko I said I was on line. I didn't say I was using it. I live in my RV months at a time and do all my banking, email, communicating with family on inet. My hobbies are travel and ham radio and digital pix. unk When WI-FI is not available at the campground, I use my cell phone and dial my ISP. I have Bellsouth DSL and they "OFFER" 20 hours per month of dial up service to DSL Customers, Free. It ain't fast, 19.6, but is good enough for email. Using my Cellphone, there is no long distance charge and the only time I can't get on is in "No Service" Areas which, for me, has never happened. I've done the across the Southern half of the country, Atlantic to the Pacific, and it works fine for me. My Verizon is free after 9 pm so that's when I access the internet. Bruce > My wife and I will be camping for a month in the continental divide area > of Wyoming, Montana, and Idaho. I assume our chances to use wifi will be [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Dick Snyder > When WI-FI is not available at the campground, I use my cell phone and > dial my ISP. I have Bellsouth DSL and they "OFFER" 20 hours per month of [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Bruce The only time I've had problems with Verizon was once out in "no man's land" in east central TX, dropped a call, then switched to roam. Other time was near the Gulf coast in Rockport, TX, a little NW of Corpus Christi. My brother lives in a small trailer/RV park there with "0" signal strength. He says I should be there on Sunday night, everyone drives a couple miles down the road to the local airport(which is on a little rise) and parks next to the road to talk to their relatives! Just checked with my ISP, they are local, but have about 10K "local" access numbers around the country, so may be able to stay with them. SignatureNahmie The only road to success is always under construction. > The only time I've had problems with Verizon was once <snip> Other time was <snip> Wording noted with humored interest.<g> KH >> The only time I've had problems with Verizon was once <snip> Other time >> was <snip> > > Wording noted with humored interest.<g> Ah well, grammar was never my "long suit".(LOL) Would it help if I'd said "times"? SignatureNahmie The only road to success is always under construction. >"Dick Snyder" <REMOVE-dicksnyder@comcast.net> wrote: >My wife and I will be camping for a month in the continental divide area of >Wyoming, Montana, and Idaho. I assume our chances to use wifi will be few [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >will have things set up. Can one of you who have had to use dialup during >your trips let me know what I should expect? Most RV parks (not campgrounds) have a modem jack available. Like you, I have our laptops set up to use a cheap calling card when necessary. The first thing I do is use the calling card to connect to my ISP's web site and check for local numbers in my location. If there is one, then that's the last time I use the calling card there. If not, I can still connect. SignatureDave |
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