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Car Forum / Driving, Maintenance, Tuning / RVs / June 2006Scratch the Honda Pilot... How about the Nissan Titan?
Okay, scratch the Honda Pilot idea. I have read up a little.. still far from having any real knowledge though. The Nissan Titan got top safety honors, and seems to be equipped for towing. I am considering a crew cab version. Is this a safe tow vehicle for a 20' trailer? Next, if this is not good either: If your prime concerns are tow-capability, and family safety (this will be the wife's car, replacing the death trap on wheels chevy astro), where would you look? I originally thought of a Tahoe... but now I understand the short wheel base, high center of gravity is a deadly combination. I'd like to find safety all the way around without putting her in a ford diesel. Thanks for all your help! Mike >Okay, scratch the Honda Pilot idea. I have read up a little.. still far >from having any real knowledge though. [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > >Mike Hi, Of the 3 vehicles you've mentioned so far, the Astro Van, the Pilot and the Nissan, the Nissan is far and away a better vehicle for towing. Especially if you get it equipped with the tow package which will give you plenty of growing room if you wanted to move up to a slightly bigger trailer then the ones you mentioned, IMO of course... Take care and Happy Campin...  SignatureRichA "We Get Too Soon Olde and Too Late Smart" > Okay, scratch the Honda Pilot idea. I have read up a little.. still far > from having any real knowledge though. [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > I originally thought of a Tahoe... but now I understand the short wheel > base, high center of gravity is a deadly combination. The Titan should tow just fine for a small trailer. I tow a 24' 5,000lb trailer with my 2004 Hemi Durango. It pulls far better than my 2001 Dodge 1/2 ton truck. It's a longer wheelbase than the Tahoe. Have 36,000 miles on it and love it. > Okay, scratch the Honda Pilot idea. I have read up a little.. still far > from having any real knowledge though. [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > Mike Bad idea #3. While it'll make a good grocery-getter for her, it's underpowered as a tow vehicle. > Bad idea #3. > > While it'll make a good grocery-getter for her, it's underpowered as a tow > vehicle. How so? I've heard the Titans 5.3L V8 has plenty of power for a 1/2 ton truck. The OP is only talking about towing a 20' trailer. Should perform just fine. Still, I prefer my Hemi Durango. Not quite as quick off the line as the Titan but at highway speeds or climbing hills it easily pulls away. >> Bad idea #3. >> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Still, I prefer my Hemi Durango. Not quite as quick off the line as the > Titan but at highway speeds or climbing hills it easily pulls away. That's my point: your Hemi has the torque needed for the job and your Durango has a decent set of gears but the Nissan doesn't. There's a world of difference between the Drag Racer and the Tow Vehicle. He's estimating a 20-footer, but what frontal area? Since this IS an RV NewsGroup, he'll be looking at a frontal area of at least 56 sq. ft. that'll be providing quite a bit of drag - unless he's only considering a pop-up. Nissan Titan SE with factory tow package specifications list: "Lower final gear ratio (3.357:1); similar to a four-speed automatic 4.10:1 ratio" as well as a number of other things changed with the tow package. Some type of Vehicle Stability Control. No idea what that is. The wheelbase is 139.5" BTW - a bit longer than the Durango (or other SUVs). Here's their marketing blurb on towing: "What do you give a weekend warrior who already has every big toy he wants? The Tow Package, of course, which increases towing capacity to the maximum 9,500 lbs on the King Cab (9,400 lbs on the Crew Cab) and includes a lower final gear ratio (3.36), heavy-duty battery, extendable tow mirrors (on SE and LE only), automatic transmission temperature gauge, Class IV receiver hitch, additional 7-pin wiring harness, and trailer brake controller pre-wiring under the dash." In the other thread I mentioned that after some of the horror stories I have heard, I will only be towing a Highlander Niagara popup (but it's a big popup, with a slider dinettete, toilet, and shower, as far as that goes). Still, it's maximum loaded weight is only 3500 lbs. Somehow, I think this vehicle will be an exceptional tow vehicle for that pop-up, even after only two days of research. Is there any reason I should consider for not towing the Highlander Niagara? Would it be worthwhile even on a load like this to consider a weight distributing hitch? It'd make it safer handling right? Mike C. Phoenix, AZ. > >> Bad idea #3. > >> [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > NewsGroup, he'll be looking at a frontal area of at least 56 sq. ft. that'll > be providing quite a bit of drag - unless he's only considering a pop-up. I see where ciscochrist@yahoo.com contributed: >Is there any reason I should consider for not towing the Highlander >Niagara? Would it be worthwhile even on a load like this to consider a >weight distributing hitch? It'd make it safer handling right? I personally know of no pop-up trailer built strong enough for a WD hitch. Not saying there are none. Still, the issue is towing stability, and though some pop-ups are pretty big, I have not seen one that would be too much for a Titan, provided the trailer has brakes and is well balanced (key issue) - meaning around 10% of the tralier's GVW on the hitch ball. Will Sill The Curmudgeon of Sill Hill > I personally know of no pop-up trailer built strong enough for a WD > hitch. Not saying there are none. The Fleetwood Coleman popups were approved for weight-distributing lashup, but I believe it was required that a "350 Mini-Lite Weight" from Reese be used. http://www.reeseprod.com Starcraft, for as long as I can remember, does NOT allow a WD hitch. I presume that virtually all of the low-end popups (Low-end of low-end RVs?) can NOT hack such a lashup. Cheap, c-channel frames, ya know... > though some pop-ups are pretty big, I have not seen one > that would be too much for a Titan Agreed. Still, you should stand next to one of the new, "high-end" Fleetwood popups. They are HIGH-sided and, as such, offer residential-height countops, a 4-c.f. fridge (compare that to the dinky 1.9 on most others) and an on-board blackwater tank integral to the Thetford system in the wet bath, similar in style to their cassette system, but this one just dumps through a common Valterra outlet with gate valve. The things are HUGE compared to just a few years ago. You can kiss goodbye ever again seeing over the top of the popup while towing except for perhaps a 4x4 full-size pickup. They're looking REAL good to me. Feeding my pickup, even when I'm not towing, is getting REALLY old. <sigh> Signature:) JR 2000 Skamper Ultra 249 TT 2002 Chevrolet Silverado 2500HD Vortec 8100 - Allison 1000 ciscochrist@yahoo.com wrote in news:1149624954.728517.143520 @y43g2000cwc.googlegroups.com: > I will only be towing a Highlander Niagara popup (but it's > a big popup, with a slider dinettete, toilet, and shower, as far as > that goes). Still, it's maximum loaded weight is only 3500 lbs. There's a world of difference in the towing characteristics and requirements for pop-ups and Travel Trailers. If you'd stated your intent to only pull a pop-up then you wouldn't have gotten the same response: pop-ups don't need a "tow vehicle" to pull them. <G> I, personally, have pulled a similar-sized Coleman pop-up with a '73 Vega Wagon and had no problems. Since, properly loaded, you'd only have about 350# tongue weight, there'd be no need for a WD hitch. The Titan - despite their claims - is not a "tow vehicle" and is unlikely to ever become one. > ciscochrist@yahoo.com wrote in news:1149624954.728517.143520 > The Titan - despite their claims - is not a "tow vehicle" and is unlikely > to ever become one. Define tow vehicle. The Titan is as good as most any other 1/2 ton full sized truck. I was towing my 5,000lb 23' TT with a 2001 Dodge Ram 1500. Towed just fine. The Titans 5.6L V8 probably out performs my Rams 5.9L. For a 1/2 ton truck I tend to set the limit to 6,000lbs and 24'. Much less with a smaller V8 (Dodge 4.7L etc.). Dodge made the same claims with the Hemi Durango. Touting its 8900lb rating. I wouldn't tow anything that heavy with either the Titan or the Durango but both are decent tow vehicles for small TT's under 6,000lbs and 24'. > Bad idea #3. > > While it'll make a good grocery-getter for her, it's underpowered as a tow > vehicle. Uhhhh, if this is in reference to the Titan, I just don't get it???? As I noted in a response to Mike's earlier post, There has to be some reason why Trailer Life Magazine is so fond to the Titan (other than, hopefully, advertising money spent). They selected it as a good tow vehicle, tested it with one of the descent sized light-weight TT's and did a shoot-off among the likes of the Chevy 1500. the Ford 150 and others. It did well in all comparisons. Granted, if you want to pull a 12' tall, 31' long and 11,000 pound fifth wheel it would be a bad choice. However there are several TT's and smaller 5th wheels that would do just fine behind a Titan. I think its towing capacity is in the 9,000 pound range. That puts it on the margin with some 3/4 ton's. http://www.nctd.com/review-drive.cfm?ReviewID=1457 RonB >> Bad idea #3. >> [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > >RonB Hi, It should be as good if not better then most other so called 1/2 ton trucks. It's got 305 HP and 379 ft. lbs. of torque which is a little less HP and a little more torque (at lower RPM) then the Dodge Hemi 5.7. For small TT is should be fine. Take care and Happy Campin... SignatureRichA "We Get Too Soon Olde and Too Late Smart" > It should be as good if not better then most other so called 1/2 ton > trucks. It's got 305 HP and 379 ft. lbs. of torque which is a little > less HP and a little more torque (at lower RPM) then the Dodge Hemi > 5.7. For small TT is should be fine. Most reviews I've read seem to suggest the hemi better for towing than the Titans 5.6L. Off the line the Titan will accelerate faster than the Hemi Ram. However, at highway speeds or when passing the Hemi Ram would run away from the Titan. Both are good vehicles and great for towing small trailers. >> It should be as good if not better then most other so called 1/2 ton >> trucks. It's got 305 HP and 379 ft. lbs. of torque which is a little [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > run away from the Titan. Both are good vehicles and great for towing > small trailers. Our '03 Ram 1500 quad cab Hemi likes our HR Alumascape 29fks <g>. I like the big brakes on the Ram. Big rotors front and back makes for safer stopping. Hugh > Our '03 Ram 1500 quad cab Hemi likes our HR Alumascape 29fks <g>. I > like the big brakes on the Ram. Big rotors front and back makes for > safer stopping. And THAT, Hugh, is a sure sign of a "Tow Vehicle". <G> Your 1500 has - AFAIK - the same brake setup as on the 3500s and THOSE are quite capable of handling a GCW of 23K pounds *all by themselves*. I sure wouldn't want to even *think* about trying *that* with a Nissan. <shudder> >>Our '03 Ram 1500 quad cab Hemi likes our HR Alumascape 29fks <g>. I >>like the big brakes on the Ram. Big rotors front and back makes for [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > I sure wouldn't want to even *think* about trying *that* with a Nissan. > <shudder> Sure thing. I haven't compared the brakes on the Nissan so don't know if they are comparable. I know the 1500 Fords and GM products don't have as much as the Ram. What got me was the Ram had an extra leaf in the rear springs also heavy duty shocks. The '02 Sierra 1500 we had couldn't compare to the Ram. Can you tell I like my Ram <vvbg>? Hugh >>>Our '03 Ram 1500 quad cab Hemi likes our HR Alumascape 29fks <g>. I like >>>the big brakes on the Ram. Big rotors front and back makes for safer [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > Can you tell I like my Ram <vvbg>? > Hugh No more than most owners of 3rd gen. Dodge RAMs. <VBG> My wife has already informed me that, should I ever get a newer truck, *this one* is HERS! Yah, she loves our '03.5 RAM 3500 [HO Cummins, 48RE Auto, 4WD, ASD, LB] Laramie doolie as much as I do - both to ride in and to drive. <VBG> We even celebrate his "birthday" each year by getting him detailed and supplied with new fluids and filters. <G> "RAM³" <S31924.nospam@netscape.net> wrote in message > We even celebrate his "birthday" each year by getting him detailed and > supplied with new fluids and filters. <G> Well, I guess I can just about shelve any objective comment you make about a Dodge then, EH? > "RAM³" <S31924.nospam@netscape.net> wrote in message >> >> We even celebrate his "birthday" each year by getting him detailed >> and supplied with new fluids and filters. <G> > Well, I guess I can just about shelve any objective comment you make > about a Dodge then, EH? Oh, I wouldn't say that. <G> That the Cummins Turbodiesel is designed and built to last twice as long as an Isuzu or Navistar is well documented. That the axles on the 3rd Generation trucks are the same as used on the GM equivalents of the same vintage is well documented. That the implementation of the High-Pressure Common Rail fuel-injection system on the Cummins managed to avoid the "teething problems" of the Isuzu and the Navistar is well documented. That the brake discs of the 3rd Generation trucks are larger than their "competitors" is well documented. That the 3rd Generation trucks have a tighter turning circle then their "competitors" is well documented. That the 48RE automatics had to wait until the '04.5 models to receive the redesigned thrust bearings that eliminated failures under constant use of an exhaust brake is well documented. That the '06 models have the ECM programming to seamlessly interface with an exhaust brake is well documented. All of these statements are totally objective. <VBG> > That the brake discs of the 3rd Generation trucks are larger than their > "competitors" is well documented. So?? The larger rotors do not equate to shorter stopping distance. The tendency to overheat and warp very easily is still a problem thats well documented. >> That the brake discs of the 3rd Generation trucks are larger than >> their "competitors" is well documented. > > So?? The larger rotors do not equate to shorter stopping distance. The > tendency to overheat and warp very easily is still a problem thats well > documented. By who? I've got the '03, 1500 Ram with the BIG rotors, have three trips to Florida from central New York and back, towing a 30' trailer with a dry weight of over 7,000 lbs, gone up and down the Pennsy hills, had many normal stops and a few really hard stops with trailer in tow, have slightly more than 25,000 miles on truck, have NEVER rotated or balanced the tires and most important, the brakes are smooth and strong. Absolutely NO trace of brake grabbing or pulsating. I still have considerable pad left on front and rear brakes. If there exists a semblance of a problem, where have you found it? I checked the government site and found a few knuckle heads who "claimed" problems but in reading them I have serious doubts about most of the claims. The Dodge brakes are strong and well designed. Hugh > If there exists a semblance of a problem, where have you found it? I > checked the government site and found a few knuckle heads who "claimed" > problems but in reading them I have serious doubts about most of the > claims. The Dodge brakes are strong and well designed. Check the TSB's regarding rotors for 2004 and newer Durangos. They have the same brakes as the Rams. >> If there exists a semblance of a problem, where have you found it? I >> checked the government site and found a few knuckle heads who [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Check the TSB's regarding rotors for 2004 and newer Durangos. They have > the same brakes as the Rams. Okay, I did a quick check. Found Durango problems, none for the Ram. I checked the '03 and '04 tsb's. I'll repeat, I've had no problems with the brakes, period. I've never had problems with any vehicle not subjected to rotating tire procedures. Tightening the lug nuts seems to be a process few can "master". I wear out the front tires and change all four when new tires are needed. What little tire life I may gain by rotating is far over shadowed by the cost of moving the wheels and rebalancing. Those vehicles I have had rotor problems with had rotated tires. Hugh > That the Cummins Turbodiesel is designed and built to last twice as long as > an Isuzu or Navistar is well documented. [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > All of these statements are totally objective. <VBG> Also well documented <VBG>--the ability to take themselves out of park and go rolling/driving away on their own! In my Dad's case it jumped the curb and hit a business before stopping--with lever still reading park-- nobody injured although it almost hit us going into the store (yes brake shouldv'e been set but tell that to "older folks" in central Texas!). The sheriff said it was the third case he had seen that year. I think it was a 98--hopefully Dodge has corrected that little feature by now. SignatureJud Dallas TX USA > Also well documented <VBG>--the ability to take themselves out of park > and go rolling/driving away on their own! In my Dad's case it jumped the [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > The sheriff said it was the third case he had seen that year. I think it > was a 98--hopefully Dodge has corrected that little feature by now. THAT issue got cured quite a while back but, in keeping with the spirit of the "You can't REALLY Idiot-Proof anything 'cause dumber idiots keep appearing" Department, DC has issued a TSR to sound a warning if the driver's door is open while the truck is in Reverse. Some idiots, when trying to put the shift lever in Park, managed to have it in between Park and Reverse - you can guess what happened next! <G> >>Also well documented <VBG>--the ability to take themselves out of park >>and go rolling/driving away on their own! In my Dad's case it jumped the [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > Some idiots, when trying to put the shift lever in Park, managed to have it > in between Park and Reverse - you can guess what happened next! <G> I think that one was from the "strange" feel of the shift pattern. I noticed several reviewers noted the unusual way the shift lever moved away when shifting to reverse and park. I noticed it the first time I drove one, then promptly ignored it <g>. Hugh >THAT issue got cured quite a while back but, in keeping with the spirit of >the "You can't REALLY Idiot-Proof anything 'cause dumber idiots keep >appearing" Department, DC has issued a TSR to sound a warning if the >driver's door is open while the truck is in Reverse. Which is going to make some of us REAL popular in the RV world. Imagine pulling into a campground about 9:30 pm and the only spaces they have left are not pull throughs. You back your rig in, jump out and check to see if you've got it spotted right, jump back in to roll it back "just a few more feet" with the door open, and HONK -- HONK -- HONK! That idiot, knee jerk reaction by Dodge to this problem is almost (I SAID ALMOST) enough to make me give up the Cummins and buy a . . . [can't say the word} Greg >>THAT issue got cured quite a while back but, in keeping with the spirit of >>the "You can't REALLY Idiot-Proof anything 'cause dumber idiots keep [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > Greg The TSB doesn't have to be applied. <G> In fact, I've already told the local service people to leave it off mine - and they did! <VBG> >>>THAT issue got cured quite a while back but, in keeping with the spirit of >>>the "You can't REALLY Idiot-Proof anything 'cause dumber idiots keep [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] >In fact, I've already told the local service people to leave it off mine - >and they did! <VBG> Yahbutt . . . what about the fact that it will be a "standard" feature on all trucks built in the future. I'm thinking about trading my '98 when the '08's come out. >>>>THAT issue got cured quite a while back but, in keeping with the spirit >>>>of [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > on all trucks built in the future. I'm thinking about trading my '98 > when the '08's come out. You might want to consider finding a suitably-equipped '06: the '07s (according to the local DC Service Manager) will come equipped with FOUR - yes, 4 - catalytic converters, each running as hot as possible. [Bad news for people going over dry grass...] >> Yahbutt . . . what about the fact that it will be a "standard" feature >> on all trucks built in the future. I'm thinking about trading my '98 [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >yes, 4 - catalytic converters, each running as hot as possible. [Bad news >for people going over dry grass...] I'm having some trouble with my five star Dodge dealer right now. We wandered in to look at trucks a few weeks ago and somehow, they think I'm ready to buy. Phone calls and emails at least twice a week. The wife finally told them we bought a new GMC 3500 Duramax/Allison and they could quit calling. Anyways, I'm hoping that Dodge will catch up with Ford with thier heavy-hauler option (19K towing) and an integrated brake controller for 2008. That's when we are looking at getting a new trailer and need a beefier truck to tow it with. Greg I see where Greg Surratt <glsurratt@verizon.net> contributed: >Anyways, I'm hoping that Dodge will catch up with Ford with thier >heavy-hauler option (19K towing) and an integrated brake controller >for 2008. That's when we are looking at getting a new trailer and >need a beefier truck to tow it with. Allow me to share a different POV: we've had every common type of rv other than truck camper and buis conversion, and have come around to the view that bigger is NOT better. Not saying you'll agree, but the advantages of lighter/smaller rigs go far beyond economy - arguably the most important being the flexibility to take any road. Think about it before assuming you gotta have a palace on wheels. Will Sill Don't worry about what people think, they don't do it very often. >I see where Greg Surratt <glsurratt@verizon.net> contributed: > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > Don't worry about what people think, they don't do it > very often. If "The Trip Is The Adventure" is your perspective then the smaller the rig the easier the trip - within comfort limits - is a most viable approach. If a "Bunkhouse On Wheels" is needed, then the size may grow depending upon the needs of the intended occupants. If a "Home On Wheels" is needed - capable of >indoor< living for protracted durations - then interior space becomes extremely precious. After all, isn't that why there are so many different styles and sizes available? <VBG> FWIW, we have >two< units: our "Retirement Home On Wheels" ['03 Montana 3655FL 37' 10" fifth-wheel] for extended travel and our "Tripmobile" ['89 Chevy conversion van] for short trips. Each has its purpose and its place in >our< way of life. I see where "RAM³" <S31924.nospam@netscape.net> contributed: >If "The Trip Is The Adventure" is your perspective then the smaller the rig >the easier the trip - within comfort limits - is a most viable approach. [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >Chevy conversion van] for short trips. Each has its purpose and its place in > >our< way of life. At last - someone who understands that One SIze (Large) Does Not Fit All. We have actually encountered people who live nearly full time out of a minivan - the key phrase being "out of", of course. I would hope the lesson here is that people examine their own needs/wants rather than accepting at face value the sales geeks not-so-subtle message that yer RV ain't up with the Jones' unless it is BIG, obscenely expensive, and has multiple slides. Will Sill Don't worry about what people think, they don't do it very often. >I see where "RAM³" <S31924.nospam@netscape.net> contributed: > [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] >Don't worry about what people think, they don't do it >very often. I understand the concept. We started out full-timing some 24 years ago in a 23 foot Prowler - including a winter in Great Lakes, ILL with a trailer that was not really built for that kind of climate. We've spent the last 15 years in a stick house and now that we are moving out, we've decided that a larger trailer will be more suited to our intended lifestyle. That first trailer was cozy and comfortable, but we've grown into a two computer family and enjoy eating our meals at the dinner table now - it didn't work that way in the Prowler where the dinner table was the only place to put the Osborne I. ;-) Greg >>> Yahbutt . . . what about the fact that it will be a "standard" feature >>> on all trucks built in the future. I'm thinking about trading my '98 [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > The wife finally told them we bought a new GMC 3500 Duramax/Allison > and they could quit calling. That wouldn't work in my case: the local DC dealer is *also* the local GM dealer! [His FoMoCo dealership is in a neighboring town.] <G> > Anyways, I'm hoping that Dodge will catch up with Ford with thier > heavy-hauler option (19K towing) and an integrated brake controller > for 2008. That's when we are looking at getting a new trailer and > need a beefier truck to tow it with. > > Greg I'm not all that sold on the integrated brake controller. The 6.7L ISB will, though, be certified for the new "Designer" fuels and, hopefully, supply more torque. One of the "nice" things about my '03.5 is that it has a PCM to control the tranny rather than trying to do it all in the ECM. This means that, rather than being computer-limited to 520 ft-lbs torque into the 48RE - like the '04s and later - I not only get the (currently) stock 555 but, also, the benefit of any aftermarket "chip". [Theoretically, the 48RE is good for up to 800 ft-lbs before exploding. <g>] This becomes even more important if [when?] DTT gets some of my business. <G> >>>> Yahbutt . . . what about the fact that it will be a "standard" feature >>>> on all trucks built in the future. I'm thinking about trading my '98 [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > >I'm not all that sold on the integrated brake controller. It's a Prodigy. >The 6.7L ISB will, though, be certified for the new "Designer" fuels and, >hopefully, supply more torque. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] ><G> > SignatureFrank Tabor >>I'm not all that sold on the integrated brake controller. > > It's a Prodigy. I'd rather have either a Jordan or a Brakesmart. <G> >I'm not all that sold on the integrated brake controller. > >The 6.7L ISB will, though, be certified for the new "Designer" fuels and, >hopefully, supply more torque. And that engine will only be available in the Dodge Cab and Chassis for 2007. The pickups will still get a 5.9. Greg > And THAT, Hugh, is a sure sign of a "Tow Vehicle". <G> > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > I sure wouldn't want to even *think* about trying *that* with a Nissan. > <shudder> The stopping distance on the Ram's with their 10" rotors is about the same as Chevy and Fords with smaller Rotors. It did not equate to a shorter stopping distance. Whats more, Mopar rotors are junk. They over heat and warp way too easily. >> And THAT, Hugh, is a sure sign of a "Tow Vehicle". <G> >> [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > shorter stopping distance. Whats more, Mopar rotors are junk. They > over heat and warp way too easily. Dream on, booby, dream on! <G> Try measuring the stopping distance when towing a medium load [7 tons or better] *without* using the trailer brakes and see what happens. <VBG> Just to refute your slanderous troll, Troll, the front rotors are 13.2" diameter and the rear rotors are 13.8" diameter - not the 10" that your claimed. Obviously you know nothing about trucks! <VBG> Of course, you'd already proven that by trying to claim that a Nissan Titan was a "Tow Vehicle". <VVBG> > Try measuring the stopping distance when towing a medium load [7 tons or > better] *without* using the trailer brakes and see what happens. <VBG> Mopar rotors are pure junk. Dodge has had nothing but trouble with them for years and the increase in size has not eliminated those problems. As for calling the Titan a tow vehicle why do so many expect people to buy a 3/4 Ton Dodge CTD to tow a 20 footer? 1/2 ton trucks do make good tow vehicles for a trailer matched to it. 3/4 CTD's have thier limits too. >> Try measuring the stopping distance when towing a medium load [7 tons or >> better] *without* using the trailer brakes and see what happens. <VBG> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > a 3/4 Ton Dodge CTD to tow a 20 footer? 1/2 ton trucks do make good tow > vehicles for a trailer matched to it. 3/4 CTD's have thier limits too. If all you want to tow is a pop-up, why not get yourself a Harley and be done with it? The Hog's power-to-weight ratio is phenomenal compared to the Datsun [aka Nissan] and is a whole lot more fun when NOT towing! <G> You really DO need to learn more about trucks, booby, but I've better things to do than to continue a conversation with a Troll. Bye! > If all you want to tow is a pop-up, why not get yourself a Harley and be > done with it? I see. So everyone that tows anything more than a pop-up needs a 3/4 ton CTD or better? Good grief! Thanks for the entertainment! snipped > shorter stopping distance. Whats more, Mopar rotors are junk. They > over heat and warp way too easily. Bullshit. Hugh > There has to be some reason why Trailer Life Magazine is so fond to > the Titan (other than, hopefully, advertising money spent). Why should there be? <EG> Advertising pays the bills for most publications. <G> SignatureQuotations from Tom Gorrell: "A wing nut without a left or right is just a nut. Which best describes me" "I'm sorry about the erratic weather and must admit it's been caused by the pinko commie Clinton & Reno supporters." "I am hiding nothing, other than the fact that I'm homosexual." Quotation from the Graphic Queer: "I have always advocated the death of the human being and I see that I was right all along. This earth will be so much better off once we are no longer part of the mix." |
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