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A few thoughts following our 4 week trip in Wyoming, Montana, and Idaho

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Dick Snyder - 29 Jun 2006 20:54 GMT
This group was very helpful to me as we planned  over the past 12 months for
a trip in the mountain areas of Wyoming, Montana, and Idaho (that is
actually redundant as Idaho is almost ALL mountains). Therefore I thought I
would make a contribution rather than ask questions.

We rented a small 22' class C in Salt Lake City and spent 4 weeks in these
three states. We were gone from June 1 to June 28. I won't go into all the
travelogue as others have done that in the past and I don't have a lot to
contribute beyond a few observations about Glacier National Park.

First was internet access. I was worried that I would have to do a lot of
dialup but I never did it once. Sure there were one or two and even a 3 day
period when we had no internet access but we were always able to find wifi
somewhere. Mostly we camped in national parks or forest service managed
areas and there was no internet access there but when travelling through
some town we would poach on the wireless from a hotel by either sitting in
the parking lot or the lobby. We found small coffee shops that offered wifi.
One time we just parked in a residential neighborhood and found 4 networks
and used one of them. So all of my fussing about dialup was pointless.

This was our first real RV trip after a one week experiment a year ago to
make sure we were going to like this. We had done a lot of tent camping in
the past and expected to find private campgrounds but there is so much state
and national public land managed by a blizzard of different agencies that we
really only found two kinds of places to stop - RV parks or public land. We
did not care for the RV parks as they were usually beside busy highways and
we were cheek to jowl with other RVs so we chose to find campgrounds in the
woods. The forest service has some wonderful spots and they will usually
just  let you camp anywhere you want unless you are in some kind of national
park where you must use designated campgrounds (there are LOTs of those so
it wasn't any hardship). Our favorite camping spot on the whole trip was a
random forest service road in the Big Horn mountains. We drove about 1/2
mile and found a beautiful spot right at the foot of a meadow of
wildflowers. Someone had camped there before and had built a fire ring out
of rocks so we were in business. The only  downside of camping in these
areas is that many did not have dump stations so we had to scramble around
when our tanks were full to dump sewage and find fresh water to refill our
fresh water tank.

We absolutely loved Glacier even though part of the Going to the Sun road
was closed due to landslides caused by heavy rain in the first part of June.
That meant that we had to drive around the  bottom to get to the east
entrance which was a hassle. There are wonderful hikes there though the
hikes at Logan pass were closed due to snow. If you are trying to decide
which entrance to take, the scenery is spectacular when entering from the
east side. If you enter in the morning, the sun will be at your back so you
can take great pictures. Our favorite place for hiking was the Many Glacier
area. Unfortunately, two of our hikes were cut short by Grizzly bears
(mother and 2 cubs on one day and three bears on the other). It was the
middle of June and they were probably after berries. After our first
experience we bought one of the bear pepper sprays (do not plan to use the
kind that work on humans). Fortunately we did not have to use it but it made
our hiking experience the more enjoyable knowing that we had some kind of
defense other than the confusing and often time conflicting information from
the park service about what to do when confronted by a black bear (which can
be brown too) versus a Grizzly.

If you don't have a huge rig and you are going to go to Yellowstone you just
MUST enter or exit the park from the NorthEast entrance by going over
Beartooth highway. The views were spectacular.

Thanks again to all of you who helped us with our planning. I leave this
post for someone like me who has very little experience and lots of
questions.

Dick Snyder
SnoMan - 29 Jun 2006 21:44 GMT
>If you don't have a huge rig and you are going to go to Yellowstone you just
>MUST enter or exit the park from the NorthEast entrance by going over
>Beartooth highway. The views were spectacular.

That is a beautiful drive for sure especaily on the sounth bound trip
into park as to cross over the top and see the forests and water
below. You even got to drive on the new improved road if you traveled
the Montana side as it washed out last spring (2005) and the repaired
it that year in record time and under bid too before the winter
season.
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Rich - 29 Jun 2006 22:30 GMT
>This group was very helpful to me as we planned  over the past 12 months for
>a trip in the mountain areas of Wyoming, Montana, and Idaho (that is
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>
>Dick Snyder

great report, dick.  makes me wanna go back.  haven't been there in 15
years or so.  regarding the NE entrance and the comment about 'huge
rigs'...can you define that?  we have a 35' with toad.  

73,
rich, n9dko
Tom  J - 29 Jun 2006 22:48 GMT
> great report, dick.  makes me wanna go back.  haven't been there in
> 15
> years or so.  regarding the NE entrance and the comment about 'huge
> rigs'...can you define that?  we have a 35' with toad.

I've seen rigs longer than that on Beartooh - mine - 2 different
times - 1 year east bound - another year west bound.

Tom J
SnoMan - 29 Jun 2006 22:52 GMT
>I've seen rigs longer than that on Beartooh - mine - 2 different
>times - 1 year east bound - another year west bound.

East bound (or north) has a easier climb because you are alot higher
up when you start it and you just have to worry about braking coming
down the otherside.
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Tom  J - 30 Jun 2006 04:41 GMT
>> I've seen rigs longer than that on Beartooh - mine - 2 different
>> times - 1 year east bound - another year west bound.
>
> East bound (or north) has a easier climb because you are alot higher
> up when you start it and you just have to worry about braking coming
> down the otherside.

For me, braking was no problem - 1st gear gave me time to make the
curves and also see the view!!

Tom J
SnoMan - 01 Jul 2006 02:15 GMT
>>> I've seen rigs longer than that on Beartooh - mine - 2 different
>>> times - 1 year east bound - another year west bound.
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>
>Tom J

Smart man! Very wise method to deal with this.
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Rich - 29 Jun 2006 23:21 GMT
>> great report, dick.  makes me wanna go back.  haven't been there in
>> 15
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>
>Tom J

good to know.  thanks.

73,
rich, n9dko
Ron Recer - 30 Jun 2006 00:37 GMT
>>If you don't have a huge rig and you are going to go to Yellowstone you
>>just
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> 73,
> rich, n9dko

Rich, that would be US 212 from Red Lodge, MT to YNP.  You go over Beartooth
Pass (10,947') and Coulter Pass (8,000').  The MT (northside) is more
difficult driving than the WY side.  The MT side has 22 miles of 6-8% grade,
narrow, winding highway.  There are a lot of 15, 20, 25 mph hairpin turns.
The scenery is super though.

The WY side has 6-7% grade from the top, but it levels out some every once
in a while for short distances.  There are some 15, 20, 25 mph curves.
After 13 miles or so it starts to let up some with some steeper grade near
the end.  In total there are 21 miles with some grades of 7-8%.

After Beartooth Pass, Coulter Pass is just a few hills.

We enjoy Beartooh Pass and went up the WY side twice last summer.  At that
time the road was closed at the WY-MT line due to landslides on the MT side.
Although we have been over it a number of times we have never taken our 35'
5er over it.  Some YNP entrances have roofs that are to low for our 5er so
we stay outside the park.

Ron
Godless Heathen - 01 Jul 2006 16:25 GMT
Remembering several interesting drives and events while visiting the
same area during the last few decades

The endless expanse of blacktop lined with the occassional roadside
memorial on Hwy 2 between Glacier and North Dakota.
The drive into the clouds over Hwy 212 towards Yellostone park.
Howling along with the coyotes and our dog in Teddy Roosevelt NP.
Laughing in Yellowstone NP after seeing that someone had stepped
barefoot late at night into the most massive Buffalo cow pie I've ever
seen.
Getting stuck in Cody Wyoming over 4th of July weekend while waiting
for the one parts store in town to open so I could fix my clutch (had
brought all the right tools).
Some guy sleeping in a tent in Glacier who snored so loudly, he may
have kept everyone in the park awake.
Being refused entry into Canada near Banff cause the Border Bitch
didn't my looks or my dog's tags.

The Staleys
 
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