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D.R - 02 Jul 2006 21:24 GMT
Hello, all.

I have been browsing your group for a while.  Thank you all for sharing
your knowledge and thoughts.  Now I need some info.  

I am seeking route advice for a big road trip in September.  I will be
traveling from the San Francisco Bay Area to the Mid-Ohio Raceway in
Lexington, OH to participate in the National Auto Sports Association's
first-ever National Championship.

I will be towing my race car, a Honda Civic (appx wt less than 2k lb) on
an 18' flatbed trailer (appx wt 1400 lb).  My tow vehicle is a 1988
Fleetwood Jamboree 26S (43000 miles on the clock) on the Ford Econline
350 chassis.

I had been towing the car & trailer behind my fullsize pickup for about
a year and a half before finding the motorhome, so I have a little bit
of towing experience.  I acquired the motorhome about two months ago and
have already had the combination on the road to Reno (actually, Fernley)
NV and Buttonwillow, CA (twice), so this trip will not be the first time
I have traveled with it.  

I am seeking advice on a route and stop-over places (for meals and/or
rest stops), as I have not budgeted time or $$$ for overnighting it in
motels.  

Specifically, I need to arrive at the Mid-Ohio Raceway (in Lexington,
OH) during the day of Sunday, Sept 10 in satisfactory shape to take a
day of practice on the track on Monday the 11th.  I expect to need about
four days in order to not kill myself on the way to the event, so I'm
looking at leaving the Bay Area Weds 9/6 or Thurs 9/7.  Sound reasonable?

Possible routes would be I80 from SF all the way to Chicago, then south
I65 to Louisville, then east I64 to Lexington.  

I could also go I5 south to Bakersfield, then east I40 to Nashville,
then north I65 to east I155, or maybe stay on I40 to north I75 in
Knoxville.

I hope to not have to solo it, but as yet my would-be crew/co-driver's
status is up in the air.  I would also be interested in joining a
caravan going that direction for all or some of the way, or meeting
along the way, if the schedules meshed.  I'm also posing these same
questions to my fellow drivers leaving from Calif.

I will have more time on the backside (week of Sept 18), so I'll be able
to take a more relaxed pace home.

Anyone know if I should expect rain in Lexington in mid-Sept?

Thanks in advance,

Dave R
Dave Woodruff - 02 Jul 2006 23:05 GMT
> Hello, all.
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> Dave R

DR, for what it is worth I would lean toward your Northern Rt., that is
still a very warm time of the year, but that would be the shortest route.
Depending on your speeds, running 10 (or so) hrs days would get you there in
4 days.  I use MS Streets 7 Trips for a lot of our route planning.  Not a
lot of scenery, but Wendover NV / UT may be a spot to consider for first lay
over.  Down near the Red Garter there is dirt lot space for boondocking if
that is your wish, and just across the border in UT is a park affiliated
with that Casino on the S. side of the main drag at the border.  The rates
are not bad and have full hookups so you can run the AC.  Also gives you a
morning start across the Salt Flats.

I would consider altering the route and bypassing Chicago and it's
associated Toll Roads as you will be paying for 4 axles and it will be more
than running a car.  We always bypass that area, dropping S. on I-74 near
the Davenport, IA and Moline, IL area through Indianappolis out to Columbus,
OH and then N. on I-71

Another possible layover if you like Sporting Goods and coming from CA where
hunting is a dirty word there is a nice Cabella's in Sidney, NE and they
have either full hook-ups or you can get a discount rate for little or no
hook-ups, very good folks.  Again those stops would come in near 10 hrs.
running 65 MPH avg.

Another layover near Davenport, IA or a bit further down the road will set
you up for a last day of travel getting you into your destination either
route you choose, via Chicago or avoiding their madness and tolls and
running S. of it.

Keep in mind I am not a travel agent, but hope this will help.  We are
working our way E. now, being FT ers, we have a leisurely pace going and run
a lot of back roads when we can.  We aim to be in NC this Sept., currently
being in E. Utah and working our way across S. CO on US 50 soon.

Eitehr way you go, have a great safe trip and good luck at the race.

Dave Woodruff
Rich - 03 Jul 2006 22:12 GMT
>DR, for what it is worth I would lean toward your Northern Rt., that is
>still a very warm time of the year, but that would be the shortest route.
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>the Davenport, IA and Moline, IL area through Indianappolis out to Columbus,
>OH and then N. on I-71

>snip

FWIW, in coming directly east on I-80 through illinois you would
encounter only 1 toll plaza ) junction of I-80 and I-294.  now if you
veered east on I-88 where it meets I-80 then you'd be on a toll road.

73,
rich, n9dko
Dave Woodruff - 04 Jul 2006 06:18 GMT
>>DR, for what it is worth I would lean toward your Northern Rt., that is
>>still a very warm time of the year, but that would be the shortest route.
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> 73,
> rich, n9dko

Rich, I usually avoid toll roads, but out of curiosity, what do the toll
rates run for 4 axles approx per mile or section.  It impressed me as
expensive in the past is why I stay off as a rule.  I guess it torques me to
pay road taxes on my fuel that I am burning to run on a toll road.

Thanks in advance.

Dave
Rich - 04 Jul 2006 13:27 GMT
>>>DR, for what it is worth I would lean toward your Northern Rt., that is
>>>still a very warm time of the year, but that would be the shortest route.
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>
>Dave

the truck rates (motorhomes, motorhomes pulling vehicles and vehicles
pulling trailers are considered trucks for the purposes of tolls) at
the toll booths in illinois will depend on the time of day (peak vs.
non-peak hours), dave, so there is no easy answer to your question.
in addition, tollway users using the I-Pass transponder to pay tolls
receive a roughly 50% discount.  tolls can be expensive, that's for
sure.  

can't speak to any other state but here in illinois the toll highway
system does not receive any federal motor fuel taxes.  the operation
and maintenance of the toll highways is supported entirely by tolls
and lease fees from the oasis (restuarants, gas stations, etc)
operators.  the tolls in illinois are user fees.

if you choose to come straight thru on I-80 you're gonna hit only one
toll booth in illinois and that is where I-80 intersects with I-294.
I-294 is the tri-state tollway. according to the chart the illinois
tollway publishes the truck tolls at that plaza will vary from $0.75
to $3.00, depending on the rig and time of day.  btw, the main E-W
tollway coming thru illinois is I-88, not I-80.  

you've received some advice suggesting that you by-pass I-80 in the
metro chicago area (this is where i live) due to on-going
construction.  the stretch under construction is a v-e-r-y heavily
traveled stretch (basically where I-294 intersects I-80 to the indiana
state line) and traffic backs up frequently.  the stretch of EB I-80
between the indiana state line and I-65 frequently slows down to a
crawl (literally) regardless of the time of day.  the advice to
by-pass metro chicago is good advice.

73,
rich, n9dko
Dave Woodruff - 04 Jul 2006 19:40 GMT
> the truck rates (motorhomes, motorhomes pulling vehicles and vehicles
> pulling trailers are considered trucks for the purposes of tolls) at
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> 73,
> rich, n9dko

Rich, I have an Uncle lives in Grayslake, N. of there and we visited him a
few years ago.  He towed a 5th wheel and once ran the toll way but avoids it
like the plague due to feed also.  When visiting we stayed at Illinois State
Beach, nice enough park for a while and left going SB right along the lake
and out to Indiana.  It definitely reminded me why I enjoy staying as far
away from big cities as possible in our travels.  No tolls but traffic was a
PITA.

The part about the fuel tax I was talking about is as you noted the toll way
is supported by my tolls and it's vendors, yet I still have to burn fuel to
run on them that I did pay fuel tax on, kind of like doublt taxation.

Thanks for the info.

Happy Trails

Dave W.
Rich - 04 Jul 2006 21:05 GMT
>> the truck rates (motorhomes, motorhomes pulling vehicles and vehicles
>> pulling trailers are considered trucks for the purposes of tolls) at
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>
>Dave W.

well, i look at it this way, dave...we don't have kids but i pay
school taxes.  we all pay taxes for lots of things we don't use.  at
least going E-W across illinois you have a choice...freeway (I-80) or
tollway (I-88).  it's all about choice.

never been to illinois beach SP..gotta do that one of these days.  

have a safe trip.

73,
rich, n9dko
Rich - 02 Jul 2006 23:07 GMT
>Hello, all.
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>
>Dave R

dave, my trip software says that taking I-80 from the bay area to
US250 north of Norwalk, OH and then south to Lexington will be a run
of about 2500 miles (depending on the exact starting location).  i
figured a 10-hour driving day for you and came up with 4 overnight
stops...(1) east of wells, nv, (2) cheyenne, wy, (3) stuart, nb, (4)
toledo, oh.  this assumes an average speed of 60-mph.  you're gonna be
hitting some large cities which will slow you down some and really
drop that average.   a 12-hour day changed it to 3 overnights...(1)
just west of salt lake, city, (2) east of north platte, nb, (3) and
just east of joliet, il.  

i-80 to i-65 to i-70/i-270 in columbus, etc. is about the same elapsed
time, again depending on where you're actually starting from.  your
route to b'field/i-40/i-44 in ok city/i-70 in st. louis is about 100
miles farther.  any way you cut it you're looking ar 3-4 overnights
solo.

how far can you drive in a day solo?  gotta eat sometime.  if you
gotta be in OH on the 11th you want to wake up in lexington that
morning, right?  assuming 4-nights on the road that means you gotta
leave the bay area on the orning of the 6th or 7th.  i'd leave on the
6th and have a short day on the 10th.  that would give me time to rest
up.  leave on the 7th and you might find yourself pulling in to
lexington late on the 10th.

me?  if i was solo i'd be comfy doing about an 8-10 hour day including
stops.  factor in some extra time for weather, really heavy traffic,
murphy, etc.  if you get a crew to go with you of course you can cut
that time.  

for overnights i'd be looking at flying j's or other truck stops,
wally world lots, cracker barrel lots, etc.  how much fresh water can
you carry?  got a working generator for electricity?  propane?  we
like truck stop food (especially flying j!).  

good luck

73,
rich, n9dko
Pepperoni - 03 Jul 2006 00:10 GMT
There are apparently two "Lexington, OH 's"  so its best you check here"
http://www.mapquest.com/
for the correct route.   Both take 80 (and briefly 280, back to 80 around
Chicago construction)
The site will give detailed route distances and waypoints.  (route changes
and interchange numbers)

Route looks like this:
http://home.comcast.net/~thuxton/routeplan.jpg

Pepperoni

> Hello, all.
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> Dave R
D.R - 03 Jul 2006 05:27 GMT
Thanks everyone to date, esp Pepperoni, Rich, and Dave W.

I tend to be very task-oriented and figured I would be doing days of at
least 10 hrs driving.  My goal is to be in Lexington on the 10th in
order to unload the car and set up so as to be ready to hit the track on
the AM of the 11th.  Then I will have a couple of days to recover before
my event actually gets underway...  My thought was to set out on the
morning of Sept 6.

I've got propane and will have the generator working by the time I
depart.   I have a (functioning) propane/electric fridge and have 40 gal
fresh water capacity.

Thanks again!

Dave R
Some Buddy Else - 03 Jul 2006 06:48 GMT
Dave,  welcome to our neighborhood.  I live about 20 miles due east of
Mid-Ohio.  Yes it can rain in Sept; especially if influenced by a hurricane
that might come inland on the gulf shore region a few days previously and
headed north.  Having traveled east from Riverside, CA (thru AZ, NM, TX and
OK) to Kansas then homeward thru KS, MO, IL and IN as recently as this last
May my recommendation would be to take I-80 to I-25 drop south down to I-70
at Denver then head east on I-70; due to ongoing construction taking place
on I-80 in the greater Chicago area.  The nice town Russell, KS has a couple
of great campgrounds just north of I-70. This will take you into Columbus,
OH where you can take the beltway I-270 northward to I-71 north toward
Cleveland and Mid-Ohio.  If you get off at the Mt. Gilead exit at mm 151 (SR
95) go east into the village of Chesterville and take SR 314 north to the
track; just follow the signs.  Or if you like you can go to the next exit on
I-71 at mm 165 (Bellville) and SR 97 turning left which will take you into
Lexington and turn left at the first light which is US 42/SR 97 and this
will take you through Lexington to the track; just follow the signs.  Hope
this helps, we were sight seeing and it took us 7 days to drive home and I
realize you will be on a "mission".

Somebuddy Else........aka Fran
Rich - 03 Jul 2006 22:21 GMT
>Dave,  welcome to our neighborhood.  I live about 20 miles due east of
>Mid-Ohio.  Yes it can rain in Sept; especially if influenced by a hurricane
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>Somebuddy Else........aka Fran

dave, if you take that route and are looking for a really expensive
place to overnight...i mean REALLY expensive then be sure to stop at
the Dayton Tall Timbers KOA (exit 24).  it's a bee-yoo-tee-full park
that will set you back $50 for one night.  if you find yourself in the
dayton area when it's time to stop there is a meijer at exit 29 where
you can overnight for free.

73,
rich, n9dko
D.R - 04 Jul 2006 00:06 GMT
> >Dave,  welcome to our neighborhood.  I live about 20 miles due east of
> >Mid-Ohio.  Yes it can rain in Sept; especially if influenced by a hurricane
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> 73,
> rich, n9dko

I'm hoping to arrive at the raceway before nightfall Sunday 10th and at
least get into a spot there.  Looks like I will plan on leaving SF Bay
Area early (early!) morning of the 6th.

Keep the suggestions coming!

TIA,
Dave R
SnoMan - 04 Jul 2006 11:47 GMT
>> >Dave,  welcome to our neighborhood.  I live about 20 miles due east of
>> >Mid-Ohio.  Yes it can rain in Sept; especially if influenced by a hurricane
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>TIA,
>Dave R

I would take I-80 basically all the way. You have to cross the
mountains on any of them unless you go far south and 80 is not as
heatfull as I-70 is in colorado in places. Once you get to cheyenne
Wyo area, you have some get towing coditions with a road that is
basically flat to iowa (this is why it was a popular route in the
wagon train days) This is your shortest quickest route and I-80 is one
of the better interstates for going cross country (I-70 is a bit like
a roller coaster going through Kansas)
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