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Brake Controller and Jake Brake

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toowide - 10 Jul 2006 04:18 GMT
I recently added a tow kit to a diesel pusher and am pulling a Honda CRV
with a proportional braking system.  I've read about (1) how to "calibrate"
the brakes on a gravel road using the gain control, and (2) to make sure
that I never back up without first disconnecting the towed vehicle.  All
that's the easy part.

What's more difficult for me is figuring out how to go down a long, steep
grade where I always keep my speed down using the Jake brake.  Seems like
the towed vehicle is constantly going to try to charge into the back of the
diesel pusher (just about the same as backing up with the tow still
attached) unless I use the manual controller.

But how do the real experienced drivers figure how much to lean on the
controller?  Do I primarily look for sway, which I've been doing, or
something else?

Thanks!
CoachPotato - 10 Jul 2006 05:11 GMT
I drove many miles in big rigs with Jake brakes, and never felt the
need to feather the brakes on the trailer(s). Don't know why you'd have
to with your rig.

Dale
JerryD(upstateNY) - 10 Jul 2006 11:15 GMT
> What's more difficult for me is figuring out how to go down a long,steep
> grade where I always keep my speed down using the Jake brake. Seems like
> the towed vehicle is constantly going to try to charge into the back of
> the diesel pusher (just about the same as backing up with the tow still
> attached) unless I use the manual controller.<

The way the proportional braking system works is..the faster you stop the
RV, the harder it puts the brakes on the toad.
So when "the towed vehicle is going to try to charge into the back of the
diesel pusher" it will automatically put the brakes on the correct amount so
you won't even know it did it.
You are worrying about nothing.
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JerryD(upstateNY)

Dapper Dave - 10 Jul 2006 19:46 GMT
>"JerryD\(upstateNY\)" <jerry@righthere.com> wrote:

>> What's more difficult for me is figuring out how to go down a long,steep
>> grade where I always keep my speed down using the Jake brake. Seems like
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>you won't even know it did it.
>You are worrying about nothing.

His question concerns the toad pushing the motor home down the hill when
the MH Jake Brake is being used, not the service brakes. Not a bad
question.

The answer is that if the Jake is not slowing the combination
sufficiently, it is necessary to use the service brakes, which will
activate the auxiliary braking system in the toad. We need to do that
all the time, since ours has only an exhaust brake, not a Jake.

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DD

Tom  J - 10 Jul 2006 21:09 GMT
>> "JerryD\(upstateNY\)" <jerry@righthere.com> wrote:
>
[quoted text clipped - 21 lines]
> that
> all the time, since ours has only an exhaust brake, not a Jake.

That's when I start using lower gears to slow the rig down. I've seen
them that didn't make it using the brakes and a lot more close calls.
If you ever see a rig go over the edge out of control with the wheels
blazing from the brakes getting red hot, you'll think twice about
relying on brakes to slow you down going down a mountain. The worst I
ever saw was 2 18 wheelers not making a curve on I-68 in WV within 2
minutes of each other while I was creeping along at ~15 MPH in 3rd
gear of my 12 speed rig.

Tom J
CoachPotato - 10 Jul 2006 23:29 GMT
15 MPH on an Interstate!? Damn, Tom, they didn't miss the curve because
of speed, they went over the side trying to miss you and your insane 15
MPH on an Interstate!

No wonder you've seen so many folks in trouble around you! Sheesh!

Dale
Will Sill - 10 Jul 2006 23:34 GMT
I see where "CoachPotato" <fishwishr@yahoo.com> snorted:

>15 MPH on an Interstate!? Damn, Tom, they didn't miss the curve because
>of speed, they went over the side trying to miss you and your insane 15
>MPH on an Interstate!
>
>No wonder you've seen so many folks in trouble around you! Sheesh!

Evidently you are unfamiliar with the realities of navigating steep
grades with heavily-loaded trucks - interstate or not.

Will Sill
The Curmudgeon of Sill Hill
Tom  J - 10 Jul 2006 23:55 GMT
> I see where "CoachPotato" <fishwishr@yahoo.com> snorted:
>>
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> Evidently you are unfamiliar with the realities of navigating steep
> grades with heavily-loaded trucks - interstate or not.

As you know, the majority of drivers don't have a clue on how to drive
in mountains, ESPECIALLY when driving a heavy rig. Many of those same
people don't want to know & go haphazardly flying down the mountain
grades. The poster most likely has never driven enough to see the slow
truck lanes going both up and down mountain grades.

Tom J
CoachPotato - 11 Jul 2006 01:32 GMT
CoachPotato continues to snort...

Au contraire, experts. I have years of big rig driving experience, and
much of it in the mountains. I drove logging trucks back in the 70s.
Those were the old days with twin stick main and Brownie transmissions,
selectable Jake brakes (2, 4 or 6 cyl) and uphill or downhill seemingly
all day long. I hauled logs in those days from the Susanville and
Chester areas to Red Bluff in Northern California. And I've hauled
lumber and plywood to the LA area from mills in the north. I've also
pulled tanks all over California, as well. I do have a clue about how
to drive a loaded big rig through the mountains.

And I'm gonna tell ya that if you're going downhill on an interstate
highway at 15 MPH in an RV or a big rig, or anything else, you're nuts.
You're causing an unnecessary hazard to other vehicles - some of which
weigh 40 tons and more.

You seldom see grades greater than 6% on the Interstate system. You may
see 7% grades on state or US highways, but I don't recall any such
interstates. And loaded to 80,000 lbs, the usual maximum big rig limit,
you can go downhill on the Jake for miles and miles at 35 MPH without
overheating the service brakes. I've done it hundreds of times. Didja
ever go down "Five Mile" towards Bakersfield on the "Grapevine" with a
backhaul of sheet rock? Maybe you should try it so you'd know something
of what you speak. If you drove down "Five Mile" at 15 MPH you'd likely
cause an accident.

For myself, slowing down for some fool doing 15 MPH downhill on an
interstate is something I don't recall ever having to do. My hope is
that you stay out of my way, Tom!

Third gear in a twelve speed transmission, eh,? Twelve speed? Well,
I've never driven a twelve speed, don't even recall hearing of one, but
third gear in the old 13 speed RoadRangers would likely be even less
than 15 MPH.

Chatter on, "experts"...

Dale
CoachPotato - 11 Jul 2006 01:42 GMT
ooops... Sorry, Tom, just saw your thread about your surgery. I didn't
mean to start a big debate with you when you have such big things on
your mind.

All the best, Tom. I'll say a prayer for you.

Sorry. Really.

Dale
Tom  J - 11 Jul 2006 02:29 GMT
> ooops... Sorry, Tom, just saw your thread about your surgery. I
> didn't
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
> Dale

Thanks for the prayers and the best. Now don't worry about what you
say about the way you THINK I drive because it doesn't bother me 1
bit. The way you think is the way most truck drivers think. Did you
ever notice how few OLD truck drivers there are?? ;-(

Tom J
Rick Onanian - 11 Jul 2006 02:11 GMT
> Au contraire, experts. I have years of big rig driving experience, and
...
> For myself, slowing down for some fool doing 15 MPH downhill on an
> interstate is something I don't recall ever having to do. My hope is
> that you stay out of my way, Tom!

I won't claim to know anything about this stuff. I have never driven a
big rig. However, my question is: If you can't handle coming around the
curve and finding a jerk in an rv doing 15 mph, what happens when you
come around the curve and see a bicyclist doing 15 mph, a pedestrian
doing 2 mph, or a disabled vehicle doing 0 mph?

> interstates. And loaded to 80,000 lbs, the usual maximum big rig limit,

That reminds me, another burning eternal question I've had that the
newsfroup can answer. Why are big rig tractors labelled "GVW 80,000
lbs", when the 80,000 number refers to what is described as GCW in
light trucks? I had guessed that 80,000 was the GVW for the tractor
alone, and the trailer's axles had to carry any weight beyond 80,000
(up to whatever the GCW is for the tractor, and obviously not exceeding
the GVW of the trailer), but recent discussions here have led me to
believe otherwise.
Frank Tabor - 11 Jul 2006 02:23 GMT
>That reminds me, another burning eternal question I've had that the
>newsfroup can answer. Why are big rig tractors labelled "GVW 80,000
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>the GVW of the trailer), but recent discussions here have led me to
>believe otherwise.

Because a light truck is designed to carry a load.  A tractor is
designed to pull a load.  A light truck can have a load on it, plus
pulling a load, hence the GCW.  80,000 GVW is the max legal weight
without permits.  That takes 5 axles to carry.  12 on the front, 32 each
on the tandem drives and the tandem trailer.
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Tom  J - 11 Jul 2006 03:12 GMT
> That reminds me, another burning eternal question I've had that the
> newsfroup can answer. Why are big rig tractors labelled "GVW 80,000
> lbs

The tractors are not labeled GVW 80,000#. The 80,000# you read is the
gross weight that can be on the wheels of an 18 wheel rig, IF it is
loaded just right, and be legal to go down the interstate without an
overload permit. That would mean you had to have exactly 12,000# on
the steer tires and exactly 34,000# on the drives and the trailer
tires. Most states will let you fudge a little as long as it's not
over gross. The label of the tractors are Class 8.

Thousands of trucks roll down the interstates every day with permits
that are way over the 80,000#. Unless they've changed the regulations
in the past 12 years, MI allows some of those "mule trains" to run at
135,000# gross without a permit.

Tom J
Tom  J - 11 Jul 2006 02:25 GMT
> CoachPotato continues to snort...
>
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> the
> Susanville and Chester areas to Red Bluff in Northern California.

I'm glad I wasn't coming over the mountain when you were driving that
log truck going from Susanville to Red Bluff on those narow curvy
roads. I've been down to uder 20 mph through there too when meeting 18
wheelers going the opposite direction.

> And I'm gonna tell ya that if you're going downhill on an interstate
> highway at 15 MPH in an RV or a big rig, or anything else, you're
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> times. Didja ever go down "Five Mile" towards Bakersfield on the
> "Grapevine" with a backhaul of sheet rock?

I've been down the grape vine at less than 15 MPH and seen 18 wheelers
blown over by the wind on those same days, even some fully loaded.

> For myself, slowing down for some fool doing 15 MPH downhill on an
> interstate is something I don't recall ever having to do. My hope is
> that you stay out of my way, Tom!
>
> Third gear in a twelve speed transmission, eh,? Twelve speed? Well,
> I've never driven a twelve speed, don't even recall hearing of one,

http://arvinmeritor.com/tech_library/documents/GP0212.pdf
See page 2 talking about 13, 15 & 18 speed transmissions 10 or so
years ago. :-)
I haven't been in the seat of an 18 wheeler since 1994.

Tom J
CoachPotato - 11 Jul 2006 03:28 GMT
> I've been down the grape vine at less than 15 MPH and seen 18 wheelers
> blown over by the wind on those same days, even some fully loaded.

Bull sh-. Well... never mind, Tom. I'll wait 'til you're feeling better
to explain why so much tragedy takes place where you drive. ; )  But I
gotta say, you sure see a lot of bad things happen to trucks near you.

Dale
Eregon - 11 Jul 2006 17:30 GMT
"CoachPotato" <fishwishr@yahoo.com> wrote in news:1152584890.725861.154200
@m79g2000cwm.googlegroups.com:

>> I've been down the grape vine at less than 15 MPH and seen 18 wheelers
>> blown over by the wind on those same days, even some fully loaded.
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
> Dale

Are you sure that the "J" in "Tom J" doesn't stand for "Jinx"?

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Quotations from Tom Gorrell:

"A wing nut without a left or right is just a nut.  Which best describes
me"
"I'm sorry about the erratic weather and must admit it's been caused by the
pinko commie Clinton & Reno supporters."
"I am hiding nothing, other than the fact that I'm homosexual."

Quotation from the Graphic Queer: "I have always advocated the death of the
human being and I see that I was right all along. This earth will be so
much better off once we are no longer part of the mix."

Will Sill - 11 Jul 2006 12:18 GMT
I see where "CoachPotato" <fishwishr@yahoo.com> growled, in part:

>I hauled logs in those days from the Susanville and
>Chester areas to Red Bluff in Northern California. And I've hauled
>lumber and plywood to the LA area from mills in the north. I've also
>pulled tanks all over California, as well. I do have a clue about how
>to drive a loaded big rig through the mountains.

'scuse me for interrupting someone who claims to know everything their
is to know about driving, but I'd like to point out that the OP
mentioned 15mph in WV, not CA.   And add that yrs trly, though never a
truck driver, was born at night but not last night and has seen MANY a
heavy rig crawling up or down long steep grades.

Of course, I have also seen plenty of cowboys running heavy and fast
with brakes smoking.

It is true that MOST interstate highways would permit faster speeds
under good conditions - but with your vast (or is if half-vast?)
experience you may have noticed that conditions are often NOT good.
Such as fog, rain, and even s**w.

Bottom line: anyone who expects heavily loaded trucks to maintain
40-50 mph is sooner or later gonna have his expectations (or his rig)
shattered.

Will Sill
The Curmudgeon of Sill Hill
CoachPotato - 11 Jul 2006 14:07 GMT
The curmudgeon continues to blow about that which he knows not:

> I see where "CoachPotato" <fishwishr@yahoo.com> growled, in part:
> 'scuse me for interrupting someone who claims to know everything their
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
> Will Sill
> The Curmudgeon of Sill Hill

Having been born many nights ago makes you an expert on driving 80
grand downhill, eh? Congrats, Will, that sure is a lot easier than
investing years actually gaining experience doing such things.

First and foremost, a 6% grade in WV is the same 6% as we have here in
California, except  that we probably tax it here. 40 tons going
downhill is subject to the same pyhsical laws everywhere. So whatever
your point for that statement - it was pointless.

Secondly, you and Tom "have seen" all manner of things and think that
makes you experts. By the foolish claims he makes and you defend, you
neither one have a clue about driving big rigs, yet for some reason you
jump into a discussion about jake brakes and downhill driving and wish
to slam my differing view - even though I've had years of experience
doing the very thing you admit to having never done.

You pick some pretty strange debates for someone born so many nights
ago.

I'll say it again and if you want to continue your foolish arguement
I'll be happy to oblige: Driving 15 MPH down an interstate highway,
even downhill with a 40 ton truck, is a stupid thing to do. 15 MPH is
dangerous on an interstate no matter what you've seen and no matter how
many nights ago you were born. Big rigs loaded to 80 grand can go
downhill with their Jake brakes at 35 MPH safely - for miles.

And now, out of the blue, it's 40-50 MPH that you wish to debate? This
discussion is about 15 MPH on an interstate highway, Will. We can
discuss higher speeds later. Perhaps I convinced you that 15 MPH is
foolish? I hope so. Please share your epiphany with Tom.

Bottom line: You and Tom don't know what you're talking about, Will.
You can't even stay on topic...

I'm going fishing...

Dale
Will Sill - 11 Jul 2006 16:16 GMT
I see where "CoachPotato" <fishwishr@yahoo.com>, insisting on
demonstrating his ability to dish out insults, contributed:

Will:
>> It is true that MOST interstate highways would permit faster speeds
>> under good conditions - but with your vast (or is if half-vast?)
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>> 40-50 mph is sooner or later gonna have his expectations (or his rig)
>> shattered.

Dale:

<Insults and claims that nobody but Dale knows anything snipped>

Go fishing.  Maybe the fish will take yer bait.

Will Sill
The Curmudgeon of Sill Hill
CoachPotato - 12 Jul 2006 17:27 GMT
You don't know the difference between being wrong and being insulted.

I note that you have abandoned the whole point of this debate: Tom's
little sermon about the necessity to drive 15 MPH on interstate
highways. 15 MPH is now 25-50 MPH in your latest posts. And Tom has to
refer to tornados and extreme weather conditions to bolster his 15 MPH
on the interstate nonsense. Y'all just don't know when to quit.

I am guilty of pointing out the error of Tom's foolish recommendation
to drive 15 MPH on an interstate highway - and your defense of that
nonsense. And that makes me the bad guy, eh? That my contrary - and
correct - opinion was taken as an insult says it all. Oh, well...

Dale

> I see where "CoachPotato" <fishwishr@yahoo.com>, insisting on
> demonstrating his ability to dish out insults, contributed:
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
> Will Sill
> The Curmudgeon of Sill Hill
Will Sill - 12 Jul 2006 17:39 GMT
I see where "CoachPotato" <fishwishr@yahoo.com> contributed:
>You don't know the difference between being wrong and being insulted.

It must be quite a burden, being the only one in the universe with the
Right Answers.

Here's a question for you:  How large IS the universe?

Will Sill
The Curmudgeon of Sill Hill
CoachPotato - 12 Jul 2006 19:13 GMT
The curmudgeon just can't stay on topic:

> I see where "CoachPotato" <fishwishr@yahoo.com> contributed:
> >You don't know the difference between being wrong and being insulted.
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> Will Sill
> The Curmudgeon of Sill Hill

Get back to the topic, fer cryin' out loud! I did not claim to be the
only one in the universe with the right answers. I just claim that you
and Tom are wrong about 15 MPH on the interstates. Deal with it!

And while I'm on a roll, I'll answer your question:

The size of the universe is inversely proportional to your ability to
accept being wrong. It is HUGE!

Dale
Rick Onanian - 12 Jul 2006 22:57 GMT
> The curmudgeon just can't stay on topic:
[...]
> Get back to the topic, fer cryin' out loud! I did not claim to be the
> only one in the universe with the right answers. I just claim that you
> and Tom are wrong about 15 MPH on the interstates. Deal with it!

Children! Children...all of you...quitcherbickerin! All y'all are off
topic!

The topic is using a jake brake when a toad is pushing too.

Perhaps the OP can connect a potentiometer in parallel with the manual
control on the brake controller. I've considered that hack for my rig
(but not for the same reasons).
JerryD(upstateNY) - 13 Jul 2006 00:22 GMT
>>The topic is using a Jake brake when a toad is pushing too.<<

Are we taking about the toad having a Brake Buddy type of brakes ?
Won't they come on whenever the RV slows down, no matter how the RV slows down. (regular brakes or Jake brake)

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Rick Onanian - 13 Jul 2006 00:58 GMT
> >>The topic is using a Jake brake when a toad is pushing too.<<
>
> Are we taking about the toad having a Brake Buddy type of brakes ?
> Won't they come on whenever the RV slows down, no matter how the RV slows down. (regular brakes or Jake brake)

I think the OP has a common electric brake controller.
toowide - 13 Jul 2006 03:20 GMT
Being the OP, I'll tell you that I have a 40+ foot diesel pusher with a US
Gear unified tow brake for the toad.  It engages the toad's brakes
proportional to either the application of the air brakes or manual
depression of what I call a "thumb switch" on the brake controller.  So, if
I hit the brakes coming off Chestnut Ridge on I-68 in WV (before trying the
Evel Kneivel jump Cheat Lake trick), the toad also brakes... more or less
with the same force.

But, if I rely heavily on the engine exhaust brake, as I have become
accustomed to doing, the toad's brakes don't engage.  So, what happens is
that the toad is trying to shove the Blue Ox tow bar assembly through the
rear end of the motorcoach for 5 miles.

Somewhere back up in the thread, I did get a response that pretty much said,
"Don't worry about it unless you see something getting out of control on the
rear monitor."

I'm just new to this set up and wanted to know what other similarly-situated
folks do when they're making long descents.

>> >>The topic is using a Jake brake when a toad is pushing too.<<
>>
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> I think the OP has a common electric brake controller.
wwemu@cwnet.com - 13 Jul 2006 03:56 GMT
I, too, have the same setup. I use the jake brake as much as possible
without causing wear on either  the service brakes or the toad brakes.
If the speed increases to the point that I have set (in my mind) that
is faster than I wish to go, I use the service brakes, which also
engages the toad brakes, to bring the speed down to a point below my
desired speed, allowing it to build again. If necessary, I will slow
to the point that I can select a lower gear that will allow the Jake
to handle it alone. As far as the tow bar being able to take it, if it
won't, you need a different tow bar. I have used Both Duncan and
Roadmaster for over 15 years with no difficulties. I have even backed
the toad. It can be done if using care.  

George

>Being the OP, I'll tell you that I have a 40+ foot diesel pusher with a US
>Gear unified tow brake for the toad.  It engages the toad's brakes
[quoted text clipped - 23 lines]
>>
>> I think the OP has a common electric brake controller.
Ron(Fla) - 13 Jul 2006 05:21 GMT
> Being the OP, I'll tell you that I have a 40+ foot diesel pusher with a US
> Gear unified tow brake for the toad.  It engages the toad's brakes
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
> I'm just new to this set up and wanted to know what other
> similarly-situated folks do when they're making long descents.

I have the USG system on my Winnebago/Ford.  I tow a 4200lb 4Runner with it
and when I gear down on a descent, the 4Runner doesn't cause me any
problems.  If I need to, I will use the brakes, which will activate the
progressive feature of the system if I brake hard enough.  If I don't have
to brake hard enough for the decelerator to sense it, nothing happens and I
don't worry about it.  The 4Runner has receivers bolted to the frame for the
toad part of the towbar, and the hitch is bolted to the MH frame, so neither
will be damaged by the 4R pushing or being pulled.  Your setup is probably
the same, but with a lighter toad and a heaver MH.  BTW, I have my gain set
light so with light braking the MH handles it, but with heaver braking the
gain kicks in.
Ron
Will Sill - 13 Jul 2006 12:31 GMT
I see where "toowide" <toowide@worldnet.att.net> contributed:
>Being the OP, I'll tell you that I have a 40+ foot diesel pusher with a US
>Gear unified tow brake for the toad. . . . .
>But, if I rely heavily on the engine exhaust brake, as I have become
>accustomed to doing, the toad's brakes don't engage.  So, what happens is
>that the toad is trying to shove the Blue Ox tow bar assembly through the
>rear end of the motorcoach for 5 miles.

If your towbar setup is correct, there is NO problem.  If not, you'll
have wrecked something already with any hard stop.

Will Sill
The Curmudgeon of Sill Hill
John Andrews - 12 Jul 2006 20:50 GMT
> I see where "CoachPotato" <fishwishr@yahoo.com> contributed:
>
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> Will Sill
> The Curmudgeon of Sill Hill

Which universe?

John Andrews, Knoxville, Tennessee
Jim Redelfs - 11 Jul 2006 03:40 GMT
> Evidently you are unfamiliar with the realities of navigating steep
> grades with heavily-loaded trucks - interstate or not.

15-MPH is too small except in the rare event of severe icing conditions, Will,
on ANY Interstate.  I'll bet he's had big(ger) rigs "lose it" trying to get
around him with such short notice.

It may be a LITTLE less in some places, even under ideal conditions, but the
MINIMUM speed on Nebraska Interstate highways is 40-MPH.

Just a thought...

JR
CoachPotato - 11 Jul 2006 04:05 GMT
Tom J continued:

Thanks for the prayers and the best. Now don't worry about what you
say about the way you THINK I drive because it doesn't bother me 1
bit. The way you think is the way most truck drivers think. Did you
ever notice how few OLD truck drivers there are?? ;-(
===========================
Dear Tom,

It isn't the way I *think* you drive, it's the way you say you drive!

You claim to drive 15 MPH on interstate highway downgrades and even the
6% grade below Bakersfield. Man, that's my old stomping grounds and
I've *never* seen anyone drive that slowly there or anywhere else. I
don't know why you claim to drive so foolishly right here in front of
God and everyone. Strange. Any real truck driver that might join in
would tell you the same.

Loaded trucks blown over on the grapevine, and you saw it happen?
You've never seen a flatbed load blown over, I'd bet, and how can you
tell a van or tank is empty? Come on! Get real.

And now you're taking that old motorcycle drivel about no old truck
drivers, insinuating it's because they drive over 15 MPH down hills?!
Truck drivers generally grow old, Tom. Only 905 died in 2005 on the
job. That's a tiny minority. And I'd dare say most of those deaths were
caused by sleep deprivation or four wheelers.

I gotta give you the benefit of the doubt, Tom, and blame these
outrageous claims on medication or something. Nothing else makes sense.

I hope you do well. Let's continue this after you get back from a very
successful surgery.

Dale
Will Sill - 11 Jul 2006 12:21 GMT
I see where Jim Redelfs <jim.redelfs@NOSPAMredelfs.com> contributed:

>15-MPH is too small except in the rare event of severe icing conditions, Will,
>on ANY Interstate.  I'll bet he's had big(ger) rigs "lose it" trying to get
>around him with such short notice.
>
>It may be a LITTLE less in some places, even under ideal conditions, but the
>MINIMUM speed on Nebraska Interstate highways is 40-MPH.

See my reply to know-it-all.   The OP was in WV, BTW.

Will Sill
The Curmudgeon of Sill Hill
Tom  J - 11 Jul 2006 19:49 GMT
>> Evidently you are unfamiliar with the realities of navigating steep
>> grades with heavily-loaded trucks - interstate or not.
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> rigs
> "lose it" trying to get around him with such short notice.

Typing single handed after bing cut on, but I can tell all of you that
there are interstates that have grades a lot steeper than 6% (most in
the East), Mount Eagle I-24 east bound in TN (MAXIUM truck speed if
fully loaded 25 mph) and very few try it that fast, I-40 in eastern
TN, same as as I-24 & the steepest grades of any, interstate I-68 in
West Viginia that makes several back to back 90 degree turns on short
radius at over 8% grade.

The last item I was rediculed on was 18 wheelers blowing over on the
interstate. Four times have I seen this. One WAS downhill on the Grape
Vine in CA where 8 trucks were blown over within minutes of each
other, spliting open and spilling loads. One was between Tuscaloosa
and Birmingham, AL on I-20 where a tornado picked a loaded truk up and
scattered it for about 1/2 mile. One was on the bridge from Buffalo,
NY to Ft. Erie Onterio where 2 18 wheelers being escorted by the
highway partol at 15 MPH because of high winds overturned while on the
bridge not moving. One was on I-194 just north of South Haven, MI
where a furniture van was blown off the road by staright line winds
coming off Lake Michigan. I was never there when it happened, but
there have been enough 18 wheelers blown over on the Mackinaw bridge
between Canada and upper MI, that they run escorts at 15 to 25 MPH
many days of the year and the bridge can be completely shut down for
hours at the time. I waited over 7 hours for them to open the bridge
on 1 trip.

When you guys have driven 48 states and Canada 12 months a year in all
weather conditions, Just maybe you'll get the message. If not, God
help you!!

Tom J
GBinNC - 11 Jul 2006 20:04 GMT
>Typing single handed after bing cut on,

but I can tell all of you that
>there are interstates that have grades a lot steeper than 6% (most in
>the East), Mount Eagle I-24 east bound in TN (MAXIUM truck speed if
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>
>Tom J

GB in NC
GBinNC - 11 Jul 2006 20:07 GMT
Sorry for the duplicate post. I hit the wrong button, and too quickly.

>Typing single handed after being cut on,

So how did it go?

GB in NC
Tom  J - 11 Jul 2006 20:13 GMT
> Sorry for the duplicate post. I hit the wrong button, and too
> quickly.
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>
> GB in NC

see other original thread
GBinNC - 11 Jul 2006 20:17 GMT
>> So how did it go?
>>
>> GB in NC

>see other original thread

Already did, thanks.

Good to hear it went well.

GB in NC
Ron Recer - 11 Jul 2006 21:43 GMT
>>> Evidently you are unfamiliar with the realities of navigating steep
>>> grades with heavily-loaded trucks - interstate or not.
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>
> Tom J
The local news here this morning had video of two overturned 18 wheelers
west of Oklahoma City on I-40.  They were caught by 60-70 mph crosswinds
during a thunderstorm yesterday afternoon.  One of the drivers was quoted as
saying something to the effect that he drove into a wall of water and then
the wind just blew him off the road.  Not terribly unusual for thunderstorms
here which can have streight winds in excess of 100 mph and can snap utility
poles.

Ron
 
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