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john j - 19 Jul 2006 04:18 GMT
Has anyone any more information on the thousands of Winnebagos bought by
FEMA for the New Orleans project?  It seems that unless they (FEMA) destroys
them, the RVs could flood the market and sell so cheap that Winnebago
Industries itself could be threatened. Watch for Winnebago to come out with
pull-trailers and fifth-wheelers in order to cope.
Jim Redelfs - 19 Jul 2006 10:34 GMT
> Has anyone any more information on the thousands of Winnebagos bought by
> FEMA for the New Orleans project?

I was not aware that FEMA's Katrina relief included motorhomes.  I am
skeptical that it did/does.
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john j - 19 Jul 2006 14:46 GMT
> I was not aware that FEMA's Katrina relief included motorhomes.  I am
> skeptical that it did/does.

Skepticism is good, but it is true.
Bob Hatch - 19 Jul 2006 14:58 GMT
>> I was not aware that FEMA's Katrina relief included motorhomes.  I am
>> skeptical that it did/does.
>
> Skepticism is good,

Yes it is.

> but it is true.

No it's not.
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Rick Onanian - 19 Jul 2006 15:08 GMT
> I was not aware that FEMA's Katrina relief included motorhomes.  I am
> skeptical that it did/does.

Sure it does...just look at this picture:
http://www.katrinadestruction.com/images/v/national+guard+photos/levee+break+tha
t+caused+massive+flooding.html


<G>

Anyway, I suspect that if one company supplied a crapload of RVs for
Katrina relief, they could wind up on the market and influence prices;
but in that case, the company that supplied them would have already
made a decent bundle on them, and may have had the foresight to stuff
some of it away against the future reduction in demand.

Actually, from
http://www.rvia.org/Media/newsreleases/breakingnews/p0545.htm :
: There is a tremendous need for the Federal Emergency Management
: Agency (FEMA) to provide temporary housing for the hurricane victims,
: as well as for government and relief organization officials trying to
operate
: in the hurricane-devastated areas. RVs ranging from motorhomes to
travel
: trailers, as well as specially built "Emergency Living Units," are
meeting
: this need.
...
: FEMA has purchased existing inventories of RVs from many RV dealers
: across the country. In addition, RV dealers and manufacturers have
: entered into contracts with FEMA (or third parties who have such
contracts)
: to deliver and/or build specialized Emergency Living Units. FEMA made
: similar arrangements with manufacturers and dealers in 2004 to
provide
: Emergency Living Units for Florida's hurricane recovery efforts.

Looks like some motorhomes were involved. I'd guess it would not be
described as a "glut", however. FEMA probably bought a few off of lots,
but I imagine it was mostly trailers.

On the same page, specifically addressing Winnebago:
: Winnebago Industries has provided use of a motorhome to be used as a
: support vehicle by the Iowa Jaycees as they delivered three
truckloads of
: relief supplies. In addition, a Winnebago Industries factory tour bus
was
: provided for a Mercy Hospital medical team to travel to the Gulf
Coast region.
: Winnebago Industries is currently working with a number of companies
and
: agencies on a variety of vehicles for temporary/mobile offices and
command
: centers. The company has also prioritized motorhome production
schedules
: to provide more immediate production of RVs designated for dealers to
be used
: for short-term housing needs.
john j - 19 Jul 2006 18:00 GMT
> Anyway, I suspect that if one company supplied a crapload of RVs for
> Katrina relief, they could wind up on the market and influence prices;
> but in that case, the company that supplied them would have already
> made a decent bundle on them, and may have had the foresight to stuff
> some of it away against the future reduction in demand.

That's not the way it works.  The DEALERS made money, and fast. The
manufacturer had already been paid.

It's good to sell out all one's stock, but not necessarily in one location
and all at once and in a situation where all of it will come back on the
market at the same time, without being traded back into the RV economy.
These things are going to be sold outright. Cheap.

Many of the non RV trailer houses are now being shredded.

You might have to wait for the news to hit, if the media cares enough to
tell you.
Marymargm - 20 Jul 2006 00:40 GMT
> Sure it does...just look at this picture:
> http://www.katrinadestruction.com/images/v/national+guard+photos/levee+break+tha
t+caused+massive+flooding.html

>
> <G>

That MH looks a little like someone leaned it on the house to drain.
<g>

Mary
Jim Redelfs - 20 Jul 2006 03:22 GMT
<http://www.katrinadestruction.com/images/v/national+guard+photos/levee+break+t
hat+caused+massive+flooding.html>

> That MH looks a little like someone leaned it on the house to drain.

HA!  They'd better learn WHICH END to raise to fully drain the tanks!
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Rudy - 20 Jul 2006 16:26 GMT
>> Sure it does...just look at this picture:
>> http://www.katrinadestruction.com/images/v/national+guard+photos/levee+break+tha
t+caused+massive+flooding.html

[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
> Mary

Nah that's Brownie doing a heck of a job parking one of the rigs himself!

Rudy
William Boyd - 19 Jul 2006 15:19 GMT
>  
>
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>skeptical that it did/does.
>  

Our local rv dealer prepped several hundred units for FEMA and I dont
think there was any thing
but TT rigs. I dont know what all they did to them other than installing
the batteries, filling the
propane tanks and checking for leaks. But I dont think there was any MH
rigs involved, but they
did not tell me that.

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Jim Redelfs - 19 Jul 2006 22:58 GMT
> I dont think there was any thing but TT rigs.

Well, *IF* FEMA did commandeer new MOTORHOMES, I will be even more cynical
about government waste that I already am.
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HD in NY - 19 Jul 2006 14:37 GMT
> Has anyone any more information on the thousands of Winnebagos bought by
> FEMA for the New Orleans project?  It seems that unless they (FEMA) destroys
> them, the RVs could flood the market and sell so cheap that Winnebago
> Industries itself could be threatened. Watch for Winnebago to come out with
> pull-trailers and fifth-wheelers in order to cope.

How about a cite for this nutty information?
Hugh
Dapper Dave - 19 Jul 2006 18:08 GMT
>HD in NY <error@error.com> wrote:

>> Has anyone any more information on the thousands of Winnebagos bought by
>> FEMA for the New Orleans project?  It seems that unless they (FEMA) destroys
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>How about a cite for this nutty information?
>Hugh

The source of the story is at: http://tinyurl.com/hud36

Enjoy.

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john j - 19 Jul 2006 18:24 GMT
> The source of the story is at: http://tinyurl.com/hud36

:) Self-reference. Funny!

The source of my information is the QC manager for Winnebago Industries,
Iowa.
Hp - 19 Jul 2006 18:34 GMT
Man I can just see em now. Spinners on the wheels,hydraulics bouncing the
units up and down and think of the bass speakers you could put in one of
those.  Imagine one of those booming all night in the site next to you.

>> The source of the story is at: http://tinyurl.com/hud36
>
> :) Self-reference. Funny!
>
> The source of my information is the QC manager for Winnebago Industries,
> Iowa.
HD in NY - 19 Jul 2006 18:48 GMT
>>The source of the story is at: http://tinyurl.com/hud36
>
> :) Self-reference. Funny!
>
> The source of my information is the QC manager for Winnebago Industries,
> Iowa.

Well, he may know something we don't but I still strongly doubt this
story.
Hugh
Rick Onanian - 19 Jul 2006 20:20 GMT
> > The source of the story is at: http://tinyurl.com/hud36
> :) Self-reference. Funny!

The link points to my message where I posted clippings from
http://www.rvia.org/Media/newsreleases/breakingnews/p0545.htm which is
the RV Industry Association's description of the whole FEMA/Katrina
thing.
Bob Hatch - 19 Jul 2006 20:44 GMT
>>> The source of the story is at: http://tinyurl.com/hud36
>> :) Self-reference. Funny!
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> the RV Industry Association's description of the whole FEMA/Katrina
> thing.

Well, it really points to a Google search of news groups, with the search
words being "Glut on the market after". Your reply is included in the search
because it's part of the thread.

Dave is kind of implying that the source of the story is the OP. :-)
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Rick Onanian - 19 Jul 2006 21:04 GMT
> "Rick Onanian" <groups.theholycow@xoxy.net> wrote in message
> >>> The source of the story is at: http://tinyurl.com/hud36
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> words being "Glut on the market after". Your reply is included in the search
> because it's part of the thread.

It goes straight to my message, at least when I try it (even in a
browser that I don't use and doesn't have my google groups cookies). I
figured that Dave was pointing out the RVIA info as the source.

For the record, the TinyURL expands to
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.rv/browse_frm/thread/c9ec157ecca627ba/c43c56c
77b30e60c?q=Winnebago+GLUT+on+the+market+afte&lnk=gst&rnum=1


If you trim it back to
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.rv/browse_frm/thread/c9ec157ecca627ba
then it goes to the first post in the thread.

> Dave is kind of implying that the source of the story is the OP. :-)

If he did mean to point to the OP, that would be funny, as
demonstrated. I think he wasn't attempting a funny, though.

Dave? Comments? :)
Bob Hatch - 19 Jul 2006 21:13 GMT
>> "Rick Onanian" <groups.theholycow@xoxy.net> wrote in message
>>>>> The source of the story is at: http://tinyurl.com/hud36
[quoted text clipped - 21 lines]
>
> Dave? Comments? :)

Read the first URL. After the q= it says:
Winnebago+GLUT+on+the+market+afte, etc.

The search resolved to the center of the thread, because it found some of
those words in your post, the OP's post, Jims post, but not my post. If your
browser highlights the words, it hits your because you type Winnebago
several times. It would not surprise me to see it change as/if the thread
grows.
Winnebago GLUT on the market afte
Winnebago GLUT on the market afte

Winnebago GLUT on the market afte

Wait a bit and see where it lands.
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Rick Onanian - 19 Jul 2006 22:01 GMT
> "Rick Onanian" <groups.theholycow@xoxy.net> wrote in message
> >> "Rick Onanian" <groups.theholycow@xoxy.net> wrote in message
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
> several times. It would not surprise me to see it change as/if the thread
> grows.

I'm afraid not. If you trim out that stuff and just have
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.rv/browse_frm/thread/c9ec157ecca627ba/c43c56c
77b30e60c

that goes straight to my post. The first ugly pile of letters and
numbers (c9ec157ecca627ba) refers to the thread, and the second ungly
pile of letters and numbers (c43c56c77b30e60c) refers to the particular
reply which was last clicked on.

The stuff after the ? is only to specify which words to highlight.

It doesn't really matter, since everybody has seen all the info in the
thread either way...but the message with the RVIA info in it was
definitely the one whose URL was posted, not the thread in general.
Now, Dave's intent is still in question, but only Dave can answer that.

In other news, you have some really beautiful photos on your site, Bob.
:)
Dapper Dave - 19 Jul 2006 23:16 GMT
>"Rick Onanian" <groups.theholycow@xoxy.net> wrote:

>> "Rick Onanian" <groups.theholycow@xoxy.net> wrote in message
>> >>> The source of the story is at: http://tinyurl.com/hud36
[quoted text clipped - 21 lines]
>
>Dave? Comments? :)

Bob's right. It was humor on my part. I was apparently too lazy to point
to the beginning of the thread. I simply did the Google search and
pointed to the result.

I apologize for pointing to your post rather than the OP's.

(BTW, I have no opinion on whether the original post was based in fact.)

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Rick Onanian - 19 Jul 2006 23:41 GMT
> Bob's right. It was humor on my part. I was apparently too lazy to point
> to the beginning of the thread. I simply did the Google search and
> pointed to the result.

It's good to clear it up. I actually prefer it as humor versus the
vaguely informative style it would be if you meant my post.

> I apologize for pointing to your post rather than the OP's.

NP. :)

> (BTW, I have no opinion on whether the original post was based in fact.)

Didn't you see the picture in the first link in my post? <G>
Bob Hatch - 20 Jul 2006 03:16 GMT
>> The source of the story is at: http://tinyurl.com/hud36
>
> :) Self-reference. Funny!
>
> The source of my information is the QC manager for Winnebago
> Industries, Iowa.

According to an email I got from Winnebago, they did not sell any rigs to
FEMA. FEMA purchased only tow type RV's, and Winnebago does not make any tow
type RV's. I've asked for permission to post the email here, and if granted
will post the email and headers from Winnebago.

Maybe you can give me the name of the QC manager for Winnebago, and I'll
give him a call tomorrow. :-|

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john j - 20 Jul 2006 03:35 GMT
> According to an email I got from Winnebago, they did not sell any rigs to
> FEMA. FEMA purchased only tow type RV's, and Winnebago does not make any
> tow type RV's.

Never said they did.  I said FEMA bought them from dealers.

It could be the guy I met was a world-class BSer. I don't care enough to go
further, and I don't care to embarrass a guy. You can call the Iowa plant
and ask for him if you dare. It's on your head. :()
Bob Hatch - 20 Jul 2006 03:43 GMT
>> According to an email I got from Winnebago, they did not sell any
>> rigs to FEMA. FEMA purchased only tow type RV's, and Winnebago does
>> not make any tow type RV's.
>
> Never said they did.  I said FEMA bought them from dealers.

Thousands, from dealers. Right.

> It could be the guy I met was a world-class BSer. I don't care enough
> to go further, and I don't care to embarrass a guy. You can call the
> Iowa plant and ask for him if you dare. It's on your head. :()

Hell yes I dare. Give me his name.
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john j - 20 Jul 2006 04:03 GMT
> Hell yes I dare. Give me his name.

Never got his name. He never got my name, either, and I don't want an
embarrassed or angry guy searching me out so I won't send you a traceable
email, either. I'm too old for that stuff.

Ask for the guy in the Iowa plant in R&D, or QC, something like that who was
in Bayfield, Wisconsin watching their 4th of July fireworks from the corner
near his late grandmother's house. He was sitting on a wall with a daughter
on his left side, his wife on a bench in front of him. He was talking to me,
the balding guy sitting with his wife just left of his daughter.

Let us know how it goes, eh?
Bob Hatch - 20 Jul 2006 06:03 GMT
> Never got his name. He never got my name, either, and I don't want an
> embarrassed or angry guy searching me out so I won't send you a
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> just left of his daughter.
> Let us know how it goes, eh?

Uh hu. I'm trying to imagine it now.

Winnebago Industries, how may I direct your call?

Well, I need to talk to a guy in R&D, or QC, or something like that.

Which department please?

Like I said, R&D, or QC, or something like that.

Well, we don't have a "something like that" department. Is this a joke.

No, a guy who wouldn't give me his name, told me to call a guy whose name he
didn't know, that worked in R&D, or QC, or something like that, could you
just connect me please.

Click.

Ya, that would work. Of course the problem could be solved if I'd just say,
"Hey, would you let me talk to the guy who was in Bayfield, WI, watching
fireworks on the 4th of July? He's the one that was sitting on a wall."

Click.

Right.
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john j - 20 Jul 2006 09:07 GMT
> Uh hu. I'm trying to imagine it now.

Do your own detective work if you care so much. Now you know as much as I
do. If it turns out that the information regarding FEMA and thousands of
Winnebagos, stock influences and you lose, well too bad.
Bob Hatch - 20 Jul 2006 14:37 GMT
>> Uh hu. I'm trying to imagine it now.
>
> Do your own detective work if you care so much. Now you know as much
> as I do. If it turns out that the information regarding FEMA and
> thousands of Winnebagos, stock influences and you lose, well too bad.

Uh hu. OK, how about this detective work. From March 15th thru April 15th I
was on the Gulf Coast. Traveled along US 98 all the way to Pensacola. Spent
close to three weeks in the Foley, AL area where I drove by 1 of the FEMA
storage lots. We took a trip, and drove from Biloxi to just beyond Gulf
Port. Then we spent a few days in a state park north of Lake Pontchartrain.
From there we drove into New Orleans, Garden District and Ninth Ward. After
that took a route back Northeast, then up through Alabama. During that leg
of your trip we passed at least 3 more FEMA storage lots. We saw, and got
lots of pictures of the housing set up by FEMA. Some of it in RV parks, some
of it set up like little neighborhoods, and lots of it set up in front of
houses being repaired.

There were no motorhomes. Not Winnebago. Not Fleetwood. Not Prevost. None.
Zero. Zip. Nada. Not tens of them. Not hundreds of them. Not thousands of
them. I've been there, and seen that.

You either got took, or made up a story to try and cover your a.s.

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john j - 20 Jul 2006 17:03 GMT
>>> Uh hu. I'm trying to imagine it now.
>>
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> Uh hu. OK, how about this detective work. From March 15th thru April 15th
> [...]

Thanks for the information.

> You either got took, or made up a story to try and cover your a.s.

I take huge offense at the later. I don't mind admitting I got conned, but I
do not lie.
john j - 20 Jul 2006 17:26 GMT
If I may close on this thread, I find it humbling that I was taken in by
this stranger who seemed so believable, due largely to the fact that his
family listened without reaction, which I took to be affirmation. After all
these years I should know better.
Rick Onanian - 20 Jul 2006 20:29 GMT
> If I may close on this thread,

You may not. <G>

How about this idea: if the FEMA trailer purchases really mess up the
supply/demand cycle of the trailer RV market, the effect will have to
ripple into the MH market too. If there's a glut of cheap TTs and
fivers, then some who might have bought a MH will be swayed by price
and buy a trailer instead. Granted, I wouldn't go digging Winnebago's
grave based on that idea...it wouldn't be a huge effect.
Will Sill - 20 Jul 2006 11:39 GMT
I see where "john j" <john@stafford.net> contributed:

>Never got his name. He never got my name, either, and I don't want an
>embarrassed or angry guy searching me out so I won't send you a traceable
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>
>Let us know how it goes, eh?

Ummmmm. . . . it is pretty obvious how it goes.   You've been had.
Big time.  Winnebago doesn't make trailers.  FEMA bought only
trailers.  The entire tale is completely bogus.  You need to recognize
that you've been had.

Will Sill
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john j - 20 Jul 2006 16:58 GMT
> Ummmmm. . . . it is pretty obvious how it goes.   You've been had.
> Big time.  Winnebago doesn't make trailers.  FEMA bought only
> trailers.

If we can verify that FEMA did not buy Winnie motor homes from dealers, then
you are right. But how do we know you are right?

In any event, I find it interesting that a man would go on at length with
lies in front of his wife, mother-in-law (possibly mother) and children.
Could be. But let's get the facts.
Will Sill - 20 Jul 2006 17:26 GMT
I see where "john j" <john@stafford.net> contributed:

>If we can verify that FEMA did not buy Winnie motor homes from dealers, then
>you are right. But how do we know you are right?

You have it backwards.  It is YOU who have passed along an unproven
story that is clearly not factual.  Even if it can be established
(which I doubt) that some FEMA official somewhere sometime bought a MH
from a dealer, there remains NO SUBSTANCE to the tale you have
propagated.

>In any event, I find it interesting that a man would go on at length with
>lies in front of his wife, mother-in-law (possibly mother) and children.
>Could be. But let's get the facts.

Since you are the one with an apparent desire to obtain acceptance of
a cockamamie tale told to you by an anonymous individual, I suggest it
is now up to you to "get the facts".

I repeat: all the evidence suggests you've been had.

Will Sill
The Curmudgeon of Sill Hill
john j - 20 Jul 2006 17:52 GMT
> Since you are the one with an apparent desire to obtain acceptance of
> a cockamamie tale told to you by an anonymous individual, I suggest it
> is now up to you to "get the facts".
>
> I repeat: all the evidence suggests you've been had.

Look at it from a less hostile perspective. I had no desire to persuade the
group. I was as interested in the truth as the most skeptical of you. The
questions I posed regarding credibility were necessary in this process.
William Boyd - 20 Jul 2006 19:33 GMT
>  
>
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>
>  

OH! Now we are looking at that word "credibility", if that along with
the word FEMA, I would say the
possibility that some MH rigs were purchased from dealers in quite high.
But doubt that they would go to flood victims, unless they were connected.

Have no proof of this, but considering other things that were purchased
that I heard rumors of.

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Will Sill - 20 Jul 2006 20:55 GMT
I see where "john j" <john@stafford.net> contributed:

Will:
>> Since you are the one with an apparent desire to obtain acceptance of
>> a cockamamie tale told to you by an anonymous individual, I suggest it
>> is now up to you to "get the facts".
>>
>> I repeat: all the evidence suggests you've been had.

jj:
>Look at it from a less hostile perspective. I had no desire to persuade the
>group. I was as interested in the truth as the most skeptical of you. The
>questions I posed regarding credibility were necessary in this process.

You need to check your mirror to locate the "hostility".   You posted
BS, you kept insisting it must be valid because of the claimed
connection of your unknown informant, and all you've been told is that
the FACTS show you've been had.  If you think THAT is a hostile
response to BS, you must be very new to usenet.

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William Boyd - 20 Jul 2006 21:42 GMT
>I see where "john j" <john@stafford.net> contributed:
>
[quoted text clipped - 25 lines]
>The Curmudgeon of Sill Hill
>  

There will not be a GLUT on the rv market. The feds will either park all
that FEMA bought in storage lots awaiting the next emergency use
requirement or donate them to another disaster country for housing, of
which there is no shortage of.

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john j - 20 Jul 2006 21:57 GMT
> There will not be a GLUT on the rv market. The feds will either park all
> that FEMA bought in storage lots awaiting the next emergency use
> requirement or donate them to another disaster country for housing [...]

That's a good bar bet. Let's hope we remember it when the time comes about
to check.
john j - 20 Jul 2006 21:55 GMT
>I see where "john j" <john@stafford.net> contributed:

> You need to check your mirror to locate the "hostility".

You can't let it go, can you.

> If you think THAT is a hostile
> response to BS, you must be very new to usenet.

I helped invent the net, you f.cking dimwit.
Will Sill - 20 Jul 2006 22:33 GMT
I see where "john j" <john@stafford.net> contributed:

Will:
>> You need to check your mirror to locate the "hostility".
>> If you think THAT is a hostile
>> response to BS, you must be very new to usenet.

jj:
>I helped invent the net, you f.cking dimwit.

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Don Bradner - 21 Jul 2006 00:19 GMT
>I see where "john j" <john@stafford.net> contributed:

>>I helped invent the net, you f.cking dimwit.

>You and Al Gore????????

<g> From a guy who didn't know he was sending his e-mail address in
his message headers!

I guess you learn more about something by using it, than by inventing
it.

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Rick Onanian - 21 Jul 2006 00:51 GMT
> I see where "john j" <john@stafford.net> contributed:
> >I helped invent the net, you f.cking dimwit.
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>
> You and Al Gore????????

Will, I think he means that he IS Al Gore...
john j - 20 Jul 2006 04:05 GMT
Aw crap. I just noticed that my email is clear-text in the headers. So you
know my address. Well, let's see how it goes. You got all the information I
could have sent by email anyway.

Good luck!
Bob Hatch - 20 Jul 2006 14:17 GMT
>> Industries, Iowa.
>
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> email here, and if granted will post the email and headers from
> Winnebago.
Here is the email from Sheila Davis, at Winnebago Industries. She gave me
permission to post it, but I told her I would remove her email address from
the postings. It's easy to find Winnebago's phone number, if you want to
call them, and ask for her.

Bob:

FEMA purchased towable products and manufactured houses as emergency living
units, neither of which are manufactured by Winnebago Industries.

Sheila Davis

Public Relations/Investor Relations Manager Winnebago Industries, Inc.

641-585-6803

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john j - 20 Jul 2006 17:00 GMT
> FEMA purchased towable products and manufactured houses as emergency
> living units, neither of which are manufactured by Winnebago Industries.

That could be a half-truth.

Was she referring to purchases made by FEMA from Winnebago direct, or to ALL
of FEMAs purchases to include dealers?
William Boyd - 21 Jul 2006 18:13 GMT
>  
>
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>
>  

I just came back from our local RV dealer after having a discussion with
them about this. They said FEMA bought from the dealers, stock that was
in the lots, all of their's were TT rigs. They also took delivery of
many more and prepped them and sold them the same way as those in their
initial inventory. They said some MH were bought by FEMA, but were for
use as field offices of support agencies, none for emergency living.
They said they knew there were some 5th wheel units but very few.
As for the impact of the rv industry, the dealers around the coastal
area might have some problems. It is rumored that those living in the
FEMA rigs will be given the option to buy the unit at a price quoted to
be $2,000 per unit.
I thought it would be unethical to ask how many units they sold and they
did not mention it. They are the Winnebago dealer for this area.

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William Boyd - 22 Jul 2006 01:42 GMT
>> Has anyone any more information on the thousands of Winnebagos bought
>> by FEMA for the New Orleans project?  It seems that unless they
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> How about a cite for this nutty information?
> Hugh

http://www.taxpayer.net/budget/katrinaspending/femacontracts10-3.pdf

There should be more contract records out there because I know some rv
sales lots that processed TT for sale to FEMA.

Also there is one sale of Coachman MHs for 7,980,000.

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