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Car Forum / Driving, Maintenance, Tuning / RVs / August 2006

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I really need help, please...........Regarding dryrot I think.

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moomoo - 30 Jul 2006 10:28 GMT
I am very new to the camper world, I never did own one, however I soon
to be a owner of one, I am a single mom and can't afford much, as we
are living off of a low fixed income, and the father is a dead beat
that does not want to help me with finances..............Oh well that
is life, anyways I have an appointment to go and take a look at a
camper tomorrow, I seen it already today, and I noticed in the corner
of the camper a bit of dry rot so it looks like? I will describe it the
best way I can, in the upper corner by the cieling there is a spot of
maybe 6" by 8" of black decayed panelling inside the camper, I looked
all around the camper and it seemed fine, also the water pump was not
hooked up, why would it not be hooked up? and is it easy to hook up?
there is a new pump hoses that need to be hooked up, however my
question is, what do I do with the camper, should I buy it? It is only
$600.00 canadian. But I don't want to buy something that is not going
to be a wise investment. Please your opinions would be greatly
appreciated...................Thank you in advance.
Will Sill - 30 Jul 2006 12:09 GMT
I see where "moomoo" <babyturk@shaw.ca> contributed:

>I have an appointment to go and take a look at a
>camper tomorrow, I seen it already today, and I noticed in the corner
>of the camper a bit of dry rot so it looks like? I will describe it the
>best way I can, in the upper corner by the cieling there is a spot of
>maybe 6" by 8" of black decayed panelling inside the camper,

It's almost certainly rot, but not 'dry rot'.  More likely than not
the roof has leaked and there is much more decayed wood than you can
see.   IMO you can't afford this -- buy a tent.

Will Sill
The Curmudgeon of Sill Hill
GBinNC - 30 Jul 2006 12:39 GMT
>I see where "moomoo" <babyturk@shaw.ca> contributed:
>
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>>best way I can, in the upper corner by the cieling there is a spot of
>>maybe 6" by 8" of black decayed panelling inside the camper,

>It's almost certainly rot, but not 'dry rot'.  More likely than not
>the roof has leaked and there is much more decayed wood than you can
>see.   IMO you can't afford this -- buy a tent.

Please allow me to clarify Will's comment: He means (I believe) that
"you can't afford this" because of the immense expense and hassle of
repairing what is likely to be significant hidden damage that will
render the camper almost worthless to you and anybody else.

The problems that result from water leakage are probably the most common
reason buyers of used campers get screwed. DO NOT buy any camper or RV
that shows even the slightest sign of it. And this one has more than a
slight sign.

If your budget is as tight as you say it is, it is even more important
that you know what you're getting. Don't jump into buying any kind of
camper, regardless of how much you like it. Read here and ask lots of
questions first, before you commit to anything. Many/most/nearly all RV
salespeople will screw you royally and laugh all the way to the bank.

The other problem, one that we haven't gotten into and which should
really be dealt with first, is whether you have an appropriate vehicle
to tow it with. Many, MANY people have bought campers after having been
assured by a saleslizard that their current vehicle will tow it safely
-- only to find out that it won't. You cannot take a salesperson's word
on this. Repeat: You CANNOT. Don't believe 'em.

I'm sorry, but that's the way it is.

You came to the right place. Now listen to what the experience RVers
here tell you and avert a potential disaster, both financial and
otherwise.

You also said, in your original post:

>I don't want to buy something that is not going to be a wise investment.

You need to understand from the outset that NO RV of any kind should
ever be considered an "investment." Every one of them will depreciate --
sometimes right down to the point where you will have to pay someone to
haul it away to get rid of it -- and even the best and newest of them
require periodic maintenance and repairs. Owning, maintaining, and using
a camper is NOT as cheap as you may have hoped or fantasized.

GB in NC
William Boyd - 30 Jul 2006 15:40 GMT
>  
>
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>GB in NC
>  

I can add to this by saying all this advice is a lot sounder than you
can get from an rv salesman. By the way I consider an rv salesman is a
graduated used car salesman. You should turn down, immediately the offer
of the $600 to take the camper out of their yard. It can cost you
another $2,000 and you might not get sick from the mold and mildew or
even get wet when it rains.
In short, walk away.

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Peter Pan - 30 Jul 2006 16:09 GMT
> In short, walk away.

Even shorter (3 letters instead of 4), RUN away!....
Burt - 30 Jul 2006 17:29 GMT
> >I see where "moomoo" <babyturk@shaw.ca> contributed:
> >
>>>>>>>  snipped<<<<<<<<<
You cannot take a salesperson's word
> on this. Repeat: You CANNOT. Don't believe 'em.
>
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>
>  GB in NC

Salesmen/salesman  person who sells RV/vehicles etc.

Definition:  One step above slime on a good day.  Most...one step below on
any given day.

Heed the advice.  Have a good friend you can trust go with you when you look
at any camper/RV and inspect it together.  If it has any rot and/or black
mold WALK/RUN away.  It will cost you more than you could possible have and
even your health.

my 1 cent advice.
Burt
mkirsch1@rochester.rr.com - 31 Jul 2006 22:03 GMT
> Please allow me to clarify Will's comment: He means (I believe) that
> "you can't afford this" because of the immense expense and hassle of
> repairing what is likely to be significant hidden damage that will
> render the camper almost worthless to you and anybody else.

Actually, he probably meant it as you thought he meant it... That is, a
single mom with X children on a limited fixed income and a deadbeat dad
cannot afford the luxury of a camper at any price, let alone this
leaky, mold-infested piece of junk that she probably couldn't tow with
the rusted-out heap that she's probably driving because she can't
afford anything better...

Lady, by the way you describe your situation, save the $600 for more
important things. Like Will says, buy a tent. For about 1/10 the cost,
you and your kids can still have the camping experience, a change of
scenery and a chance to get away from everyday life.
GBinNC - 31 Jul 2006 22:31 GMT
>Actually, he probably meant it as you thought he meant it... That is, a
>single mom with X children on a limited fixed income and a deadbeat dad
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>you and your kids can still have the camping experience, a change of
>scenery and a chance to get away from everyday life.

Wow. I'm impressed. There's nothing necessarily wrong with your advice
(except for the tone of it), but I want to know who appointed you to
decide how other people should spend their money for recreation (or
anything else).

I commend her for wanting to have this experience with her children, if
she can pull it off. I'm just trying to help her avoid getting a raw
deal from a slick salesperson because of her RV inexperience.

GB in NC
mkirsch1@rochester.rr.com - 01 Aug 2006 13:49 GMT
> Wow. I'm impressed. There's nothing necessarily wrong with your advice
> (except for the tone of it), but I want to know who appointed you to
> decide how other people should spend their money for recreation (or
> anything else).

I'm not deciding anything, just presenting my advice based on the facts
presented. What she does with her money, whether she heeds my, or
anyone else's, advice is up to her. She came here for advice. It may
not be what she wants to hear, but the harsh reality of it is that
given her own account of her financial situation, she almost certainly
cannot afford to buy, tow, or maintain a proper, safe camper. $600
ain't gonna cut it.

She can either buy an unserviceable trailer that she can't pull for
$600, or a whopper of a tent setup with all the gear, and probably have
enough left over for several weekends at a campground. Which would you
advise?

> I commend her for wanting to have this experience with her children, if
> she can pull it off. I'm just trying to help her avoid getting a raw
> deal from a slick salesperson because of her RV inexperience.

I would dare say this isn't a "slick salesperson" but someone selling a
piece of junk that's been rotting away in their back yard for umpteen
years. A slick salesperson wouldn't even waste his time on her, or
would be trying to sell her a whole lot more than a $600 crusher
special.
GBinNC - 01 Aug 2006 13:55 GMT
>I'm not deciding anything, just presenting my advice based on the facts
>presented.

You're probably, right on all counts. As I said, I can't disagree with
your advice -- it was just the tone of it that hit me the wrong way.

You were sounding a bit like Will when he attacks newbies....

GB in NC
Will Sill - 01 Aug 2006 14:23 GMT
I see where mkirsch1@rochester.rr.com contributed:

>I'm not deciding anything, just presenting my advice based on the facts
>presented. What she does with her money, whether she heeds my, or
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>cannot afford to buy, tow, or maintain a proper, safe camper. $600
>ain't gonna cut it.

People who come here for advice are to be commended for asking but
shouldn't be encouraged to do Dumb Things that experienced rv'ers know
about.   It might be wrong to assume the OP has an unsuitable rust
bucket to tow with, but it sure is right to warn her of the pitfalls
of buying an elderly trailer showing serious rot.  Even it the rot
problem could be truly fixed for $50 (yeah, right!) you're correct
that based on her own account of her finances she should go for a
tent.

Will Sill
The Curmudgeon of Sill Hill
Will Sill - 31 Jul 2006 22:50 GMT
I see where mkirsch1@rochester.rr.com contributed:

GBinNC wrote:
>> Please allow me to clarify Will's comment: He means (I believe) that
>> "you can't afford this" because of the immense expense and hassle of
>> repairing what is likely to be significant hidden damage that will
>> render the camper almost worthless to you and anybody else.

mk:
>Actually, he probably meant it as you thought he meant it... That is, a
>single mom with X children on a limited fixed income and a deadbeat dad
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>you and your kids can still have the camping experience, a change of
>scenery and a chance to get away from everyday life.

Hehehe. . . . I didn't think my comments needed all that much help,
and disclaim any remarks about what she's driving.  Still, one can buy
a really nifty tent for $150 US or less - even less than $60  for some
smaller ones - and the tent can be stored, maintained, licensed and
fitted with tires for a LOT less than any trailer.

Will Sill
The Curmudgeon of Sill Hill
Jim Redelfs - 01 Aug 2006 01:46 GMT
> the tent can be...fitted with tires

Now THAT I want to see!!
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RonB - 30 Jul 2006 16:30 GMT
I think you have made a good diagnosis.  Also, if rot is showing inside the
interior it is a good bet that rot and mold exist in other places.  There is
no easy repair for this problem as it attacks the very structure of the RV.
The mold is also unhealthy.  You would be better off saving some money and
getting a better rig.

Ron

>I am very new to the camper world, I never did own one, however I soon
> to be a owner of one, I am a single mom and can't afford much, as we
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
> to be a wise investment. Please your opinions would be greatly
> appreciated...................Thank you in advance.
 
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