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Car Forum / Driving, Maintenance, Tuning / RVs / August 2006MOLD- Once mold starts in a camper, does that mean the camper is doomed?
What does that mean and how can I get rid of it? the mold is located in the upper cupboards. Any tips or advice will be greatly appreciated. > What does that mean and how can I get rid of it? the mold is located in > the upper cupboards. > Any tips or advice will be greatly appreciated. Eradicating surface mold is fairly simple. Get a spray bottle, mix 1 cup of bleach with a quart of water. Spritz liberally. The REAL issue is the source of the mold. Mold needs dampness. Dampness in upper cabinets implies a leaky roof. A leaky roof implies rotten wood in both the structure and paneling.  SignatureDave Thompson the person selling the camper said that there was a leak a few years back but he took care of it and that is what resulted, and he said that he used a type of foam. here I will send you the message ok,this is what the guy said and he is asking $1200.00 canadian money for it do you think I should keep looking?The camper is older (1969) so I will let you know that there is some dry rot or something like that in the rear cupboard near the corner by the door. I think it may have leaked sometime in the past and the past owner filled the corner with some expanding foam sealant which seems to have stopped that mold or whatever it was. The electrical system works great and all the lights (both inside and out, including tail lights) work fine. > > What does that mean and how can I get rid of it? the mold is located in > > the upper cupboards. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > upper cabinets implies a leaky roof. A leaky roof implies rotten wood in > both the structure and paneling. Here is another message I recieved from him- I mentioned in the previous email that it might have dry rot, on second thought it isn't rot but looks like some kind of a mold from being wet in the past. That is in the roof cupboard at the back right by the door. The past owner tried to cover it with some expanding foam but the foam doesn't look so nice, however it is inside the cupboard so no big deal. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Make free worldwide PC-to-PC calls. Try the new Yahoo! Canada Messenger with Voice > the person selling the camper said that there was a leak a few years > back but he took care of it and that is what resulted, and he said that [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > upper cabinets implies a leaky roof. A leaky roof implies rotten wood in > > both the structure and paneling. > you think I should keep looking?The camper is older (1969) so I will This is getting ridiculous. A beat-up hacked-up jury-rigged 1969 model is ludicrous. You're in territory where only don't-give-a-damn hacks and nostalgia freaks tread. All these ancient, badly repaired RVs you're looking at are okay for somebody who wants to disassemble and completely rebuild in their backyard as a multi-year project before using it, or for somebody who wants something disposable that's expected to fail in every way (I have an uncle with RVs like that). They're also all priced way too high, IMO. Two years ago, my 1988 26' travel trailer came with everything substantially working for $2,300, IIRC. For your apparent $1200 target price, you should be able to get at least a pop-up of the same vintage in the same condition. What will you use as a tow vehicle? I am going to be using my mitsubishy blade 5 speed jeep to tow it, why do you ask? > > you think I should keep looking?The camper is older (1969) so I will > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > What will you use as a tow vehicle? > I am going to be using my mitsubishy blade 5 speed jeep to tow it, why > do you ask? It is common for beginners to severely overestimate the abilities of their tow vehicle and look at trailers that would be unsafe to tow. I'm not familiar with a Mitsubishi "Blade". I see where "moomoo" <babyturk@shaw.ca> contributed: >I am going to be using my mitsubishy blade 5 speed jeep to tow it, That is a lousy tow vehicle. Too short, underpowered, and though it can "tow" a trailer it cannot safely control one. PLEASE quit imagining that an old trailer is the thing to have and buy a tent. Buying an old trailer with rot is buying trouble and expense. If you're as poor as you implied, you have no place to store a trailer. You don't have a tow vehicle - you have a grocery cart. And if you are as clueless as you appear to be about rv's, you're not going to be able to fix anything. GET A TENT. Will Sill The Curmudgeon of Sill Hill , I do in fact have a place to store the trailer, and it is not how poor or rich a person is, wheather or not they can afford a trailer was not the issue, my brother is really handy and could do repairs that would be hard on me, As for a tow vehical my jeep is a 4X4..................and I have seen a lot of other people useing jeeps to tow trailers before..... > I see where "moomoo" <babyturk@shaw.ca> contributed: > >I am going to be using my mitsubishy blade 5 speed jeep to tow it, [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Will Sill > The Curmudgeon of Sill Hill I see where "moomoo" <babyturk@shaw.ca> contributed: >, I do in fact have a place to store the trailer, and it is not how >poor or rich a person is, wheather or not they can afford a trailer was >not the issue, my brother is really handy and could do repairs that >would be hard on me, As for a tow vehical my jeep is a >4X4..................and I have seen a lot of other people useing jeeps >to tow trailers before..... Go right ahead and do what you please. Will Sill The Curmudgeon of Sill Hill Sorry if I affended you in any way that was not my intentions:) As for the camper I am ditching it:) Thanks for your kind advice...... > I see where "moomoo" <babyturk@shaw.ca> contributed: > >, I do in fact have a place to store the trailer, and it is not how [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Will Sill > The Curmudgeon of Sill Hill I see where "moomoo" <babyturk@shaw.ca> contributed: >Sorry if I affended you in any way that was not my intentions:) >As for the camper I am ditching it:) >Thanks for your kind advice...... Ma'am, you don't seem to understand. I am NOT "affended" - I am seriously trying to help you avoid making one dumbass mistake after another. Your Jeep (regardless of who built it) is unsuitable to tow anything larger than a snomobile trailer. You came in here announcing you were all but broke but wanting to get in deeper by buying some elderly, rotted machinery. You tell us you have nobody to help you make a wise decision, but then announce your brother can fix stuff. I have NO personal interest in what you do, but I am sticking by my original advice: get a tent and spend some quality time with your kid. You simply cannot afford a fancy late model rv of any kind at this time - unles you lied about your finances. Face facts and make do. That's what the rest of us have had to do! Will Sill The Curmudgeon of Sill Hill I am sorry but I am very affended by your unkind words of advice, I am not a lier whatsoever I was not asking someone to cut me down in any way!! Perhaps someone can tell me where there is another forum where I can get some help, and my Jeep as I have been told has towed 19foot camper trailers so I don't know where you get off saying that it will not tow anything bigger than a snowmobile trailer?? After all it is a 4x4...... Thanks for your advice, and telling me to get a tent, I already have one and I can't stand it nomore that is why I want to upgrade to a travel trailer............As for me having a brother, I have a foster brother that lives in Manitoba and I rarely see him. That is just my two cents, I already spend quality time with my kid!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! However me and my daughter want to go camping. End of story!!!!!!!!!!Please do not reply back to this thread > I see where "moomoo" <babyturk@shaw.ca> contributed: > >Sorry if I affended you in any way that was not my intentions:) [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > Will Sill > The Curmudgeon of Sill Hill >I am sorry but I am very affended by your unkind words of advice, I am >not a lier whatsoever I was not asking someone to cut me down in any [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >kid!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! However me and my daughter want to go camping. >End of story!!!!!!!!!!Please do not reply back to this thread Have it your way, but a Jeep Wrangler is not capable of towing anything other than a utility trailer. You should go to the Jeep.com web site and see what the real towing limits are for your Jeep. Or look in your owners' manual. Trying to take the advice of some mysterious somebody over a group of knowledgeable and experienced folks on this forum only proves that you are not only going to be a danger to yourself and your family, but to the rest of the people on the highway. I suggest you go to a Jeep dealer and have a salesman *SHOW* you the towing limits for your Jeep. Then maybe you will believe what we, who have been there and done that, are telling you. If you aren't going to take the advice you have received here, why do you keep posting here? SignatureFrank Tabor >I am sorry but I am very affended by your unkind words of advice, I am >not a lier whatsoever I was not asking someone to cut me down in any [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >kid!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! However me and my daughter want to go camping. >End of story!!!!!!!!!!Please do not reply back to this thread He may have been abrupt, abusive and crass, but no where in his reply did he give you one word of bad advice. His advice, for your stated situation, is right on the money, Getting upset with the delivery of the advice won't save you money, or bail you out of an increasingly worse hole you seem to be determined to dig yourself in. The best way to get out is to first stop digging. That vehicle is too small for towing anything of substance, 30 year old trailers are disasters waiting to happen, and newer ones still will require a certain amount of work, skill or cash for any repairs that may coime along. I admire your wanting to spend time camping with your daughter, but you need to listen to people here, you asked for advice, and they are giving it, they will save you a bunch of money and save you from yourself, if you will listen to what is being said, and not get insulted with the way the message is delivered. Keep it up and people will wash their hands of you and let you make your own mistakes, if you refuse the multi-multi-decades of experience and wisdom found here. SignatureHT I see where "moomoo" <babyturk@shaw.ca> contributed: >I am sorry but I am very affended by your unkind words of advice, Then ignore me. I have been towing for 50+ years. I have bent over backwards to be very courteous to you and explained WHY I advised as I did. You just don't like my advice. Tough. There ARE indeed dumbasses out there towing stuff that is far too big & heavy for their tow vehicles. There are also people out there getting drunk, taking illicit drugs, and doing other idiotic things. Miraculously or not, many of them survive long enough to realize they are being stupid. Some do not survive, and worse yet, some take innocent victims with them. A few never do understand why their towing experience is a white-knuckle experience that burns up their clutch & tranny. It's no sin to be ignorant - but you're being stupid to come here, ask for advice, and then bitch about the fact that the advice you get is not sugar-coated and not to your liking. The war in Iraq is OVER. We won. The battle against Islaamic jihadists rages on.. Will Sill >I am sorry but I am very affended by your unkind words of advice, I am > not a lier whatsoever I was not asking someone to cut me down in any [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] >> Will Sill >> The Curmudgeon of Sill Hill Moomoo, how old are you?? I am sorry but I am very affended by your unkind words of advice, I am not a lier whatsoever I was not asking someone to cut me down in any way!! Perhaps someone can tell me where there is another forum where I can get some help, and my Jeep as I have been told has towed 19foot camper trailers so I don't know where you get off saying that it will not tow anything bigger than a snowmobile trailer?? After all it is a 4x4...... Thanks for your advice, and telling me to get a tent, I already have one and I can't stand it nomore that is why I want to upgrade to a travel trailer............As for me having a brother, I have a foster brother that lives in Manitoba and I rarely see him. That is just my two cents, I already spend quality time with my kid!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! However me and my daughter want to go camping. End of story!!!!!!!!!!Please do not reply back to this thread > I see where "moomoo" <babyturk@shaw.ca> contributed: > >Sorry if I affended you in any way that was not my intentions:) [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > Will Sill > The Curmudgeon of Sill Hill my Jeep as I have been told has towed 19foot > camper trailers so I don't know where you get off saying that it will > not tow anything bigger than a snowmobile trailer?? After all it is a > 4x4...... I think that pretty much says it. If this is not a troll it is a candidate for the Darwin Award. Anyone here want to try towing a 19 foot camper trailer with a Wrangler??? SignatureJim That is what I was told sorry? I don't know much about vehicals or anything so basically you are saying that my jeep is a useless piece of Sh*t as far as towing goes:( I guess I can't believe everything I hear as far as what the person told me about the jeep being able to tow a 19 footer??Sorry for wasting all your time > my Jeep as I have been told has towed 19foot > > camper trailers so I don't know where you get off saying that it will [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > candidate for the Darwin Award. Anyone here want to try towing a 19 > foot camper trailer with a Wrangler??? > That is what I was told sorry? I don't know much about vehicals or > anything so basically you are saying that my jeep is a useless piece of > Sh*t as far as towing goes:( Most vehicles simply are not designed to safely tow campers. Travel trailers are mostly designed to be towed by full size pickup trucks. Large pop-ups are, too. According to http://www.rockcrawler.com/reviews/jeep/wrangler_2005/2005_wrangler_Specs.pdf a 2005 Jeep Wrangler 4wd with the 4.0L engine, the six speed manual transmission, and any of the available axle ratios is rated to tow a maximum of 2000 pounds. The trailer's tongue weight cannot exceed 200 pounds. Published figures are often optimistic, and often assume the vehicle will be carrying no passengers or cargo. > I guess I can't believe everything I hear as far as what the person > told me about the jeep being able to tow a 19 footer??Sorry for wasting > all your time You're accepting advice that you like, and rejecting advice that you don't like. One person told you that it can tow a 19' travel trailer. Many people are telling you that it can NOT. Even the vehicle specifications say not -- good luck finding a 19' trailer weighing under 2000 pounds with it's tongue weight below 200 pounds. Not only is it illegal to exceed your vehicle's capacity, but dangerous. Also, if your relative is willing to do your repairs, I'll bet he's willing to accompany you to look at RVs, especially since he's the one who's going to have to fix 'em. >> That is what I was told sorry? I don't know much about vehicals or >> anything so basically you are saying that my jeep is a useless piece [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > trailers are mostly designed to be towed by full size pickup trucks. > Large pop-ups are, too. I bought an F-150 before getting my pop-up, even though my Ranger was rated to pull my pop-up. It just did not seem like a safe thing to do given the narrow width and height of a Ranger 4x4. Some people do not like advice that doesn't support what they already believe, even when the advice may save their life. >> That is what I was told sorry? I don't know much about vehicals or >> anything so basically you are saying that my jeep is a useless piece of [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > willing to accompany you to look at RVs, especially since he's the one > who's going to have to fix 'em. It's not even a Jeep Wrangler or any kind of Jeep at all. She only calls it a Jeep out of ignorance. Early on she said it was a Mitsubishi. She needs to stop calling it a Jeep. Do you hear this moomoo? > It's not even a Jeep Wrangler or any kind of Jeep at all. She only calls > it a Jeep out of ignorance. Early on she said it was a Mitsubishi. She > needs to stop calling it a Jeep. Do you hear this moomoo? Never mind the above nonsense. I did not see the post where she says that it is really a Wrangler until after I posted this. Apologies to all and to moomoo. Tomes > "Tomes" <askme@here.net> wrote in message > > It's not even a Jeep Wrangler or any kind of Jeep at all. She only calls > > Never mind the above nonsense. I did not see the post where she says that > it is really a Wrangler until after I posted this. Apologies to all and to It is the dissonance between her describing it as a "Mitsubishi Blade" and a Jeep Wrangler that really cinches her title as troll, or at least fool. I could see mere ignorance causing somebody to describe a Suzuki Samauri casually as a 'jeep', but she seems to have fabricated the name "Mitsubishi Blade", insisted on it many times, then in two or three messages she decided that it is in fact a Jeep Wrangler. How can you not know the manufacturer of your vehicle? Especially when your manufacturer's name is a cultural icon (Jeep), how can you confuse it and say it's a less popular brand and accidentally make up a model name that doesn't exist? Either way, if she's serious and drags a TT with it, it will be a Jeep Mangler, or a Mitsubishi "Blade Embedded In Her And Her Childrens' Flesh". >That is what I was told sorry? I don't know much about vehicals or >anything so basically you are saying that my jeep is a useless piece of >Sh*t as far as towing goes:( That's pretty much true. >I guess I can't believe everything I hear as far as what the person >told me about the jeep being able to tow a 19 footer?? Ma'am, I am going to say all this without being rude. Please listen carefully: The fact that your vehicle may be able to "tow" something doesn't mean it's safe to do so. I will use the analogy that someone else here has used to make this same point: You can "tow" a railroad boxcar with a garden tractor -- that is, you can make it move. But the important point is that you would have no control over it and you couldn't stop it. The same is true of towing any trailer that is too heavy for the vehicle, and by trying to do it, you would be taking a very serious risk with possibly grave consequences. A large number of accidents involving travel trailers -- in fact, probably *most* -- happen because the trailer was too heavy for the tow vehicle, and in an emergency move the trailer took over and wrecked both. And by the way, the fact that you have a 4x4 means nothing in towing ability except that it will tow LESS weight than a 2x4 version of the same vehicle, because of the additional weight of the 4x4 machinery. In addition, your vehicle (I still don't know for sure what it is) probably has a short wheelbase and a high center of gravity -- all of which combine to make it completely unsuitable. Please listen to what the experienced people here are trying to tell you. You are courting disaster if you try to tow most trailers with that vehicle. And the danger is increased by your complete lack of knowledge regarding towing, to the extent that you don't even know whether you have a hitch on your "jeep." There is MUCH more to safe towing than hitching a trailer to a vehicle and driving off into the sunset. Another problem we're having here is your credibility. First -- if I remember correctly, and I may not -- you say you know nothing about repairing stuff; then you say your brother can fix anything; and then you say that he's really not your brother, and he doesn't live near you. And you also seem not to know what kind of vehicle you own. You need to do three things here: 1. Get your stories straight so we know that YOU know what you're talking about. 2. Don't argue when you ask a question and people answer it. 3. Listen to what the experienced people here are telling you. Best wishes, and good luck. With your attitude you're gonna need it. GB in NC > You need to do three things here: > > 1. Get your stories straight so we know that YOU know what you're > talking about. > 2. Don't argue when you ask a question and people answer it. > 3. Listen to what the experienced people here are telling you. Whoever it may be, that person is posting from Western Canada. Perhaps they just do things differently there, sorta like a good ol' Southern Redneck would. SignatureJon JPinOH >That is what I was told sorry? I don't know much about vehicals or >anything so basically you are saying that my jeep is a useless piece of >Sh*t as far as towing goes:( >I guess I can't believe everything I hear as far as what the person >told me about the jeep being able to tow a 19 footer??Sorry for wasting >all your time How many different ways, by how many different people does it have to be told to you that this vehicle is not appropriate for towing any trailer of any length beyond a lightly loaded utility trailer? Do you wish to believe the one person who tells you it can tow a 19 ft. camper, or the dozen or so proven experienced people here who has told you it isn't safe, that it will most likely wreck you, put you and your daughters life at risk, destroy your vehicle, either from overuse and abuse, if you don't wreck, or total the vehicle if you do, not to mention the liabilty you will face if or when you are sued for towing with such a dangerous combination, violating stated manufacturers recommended towing weights? That is if you will even be able to hitch up such a weight combo onto that thing without the dinky trailer hitch falling off. SignatureHT > I am sorry but I am very affended by your unkind words of advice, I am > not a lier whatsoever Best advice I can give, ignore Will. He may have good advise, but it is so loaded with bile, it vanishes Signature-------------------------------------------------------- Personal e-mail is the n7bsn but at amsat.org This posting address is a spam-trap and seldom read RV and Camping FAQ can be found at http://www.ralphandellen.us/rv I see where Ralph E Lindberg <n7bsn@callsign.net> snarled: >Best advice I can give, ignore Will. He may have good advise, but it is >so loaded with bile, it vanishes Funny, Ralph - you seem to have a lot of bile yourself. I gave this character good advice. Where were you, and what are YOUR qualifications? BIOYA, Ralph. Will Sill The Curmudgeon of Sill Hill >I am sorry but I am very affended by your unkind words of advice, I am >not a lier whatsoever I was not asking someone to cut me down in any [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >kid!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! However me and my daughter want to go camping. >End of story!!!!!!!!!!Please do not reply back to this thread Sometimes you have a Jeep (brand name, not generic) and sometimes a "Blade". What the hell do you have? You are a frigging troll and a piss poor one at that. Go AWAY. > You simply cannot afford a fancy late model rv of > any kind at this time - unles you lied about your finances. > > Face facts and make do. That's what the rest of us have had to do! This is some very good advice. Going RVing isn't about spending yourself into massive debt. I have a pop-up and F-150 instead of an F-250 and an expensive trailer for this very reason. I do not like carrying a lot of debt in order to go RVing. >, I do in fact have a place to store the trailer, and it is not how >poor or rich a person is, wheather or not they can afford a trailer was >not the issue, my brother is really handy and could do repairs that >would be hard on me, As for a tow vehical my jeep is a >4X4..................and I have seen a lot of other people useing jeeps >to tow trailers before..... YOU DO NOT HAVE A JEEP. I Googled Mitsubishi Blade and got NO responses. You are nothing short of a fraud, phoney troll. Buzz off and quit wasting our time. > I am going to be using my mitsubishy blade 5 speed jeep to tow it, why > do you ask? Because most people have -NO- idea what their vehicle is really rated to tow. Check the tow ratings at http://www.trailerlife.com/output.cfm?id=42175 BTW, ditch this camper, it ain't worth what is being asked, trust me Signature-------------------------------------------------------- Personal e-mail is the n7bsn but at amsat.org This posting address is a spam-trap and seldom read RV and Camping FAQ can be found at http://www.ralphandellen.us/rv A Mitsubishi is not a Jeep. >I am going to be using my mitsubishy blade 5 speed jeep to tow it, why > do you ask? [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] >> >> What will you use as a tow vehicle? that is the make of it- it is a blade 4x4 > A Mitsubishi is not a Jeep. > [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > >> > >> What will you use as a tow vehicle? You said it is a Mitsubishi... However, I googled for both Mitsubishi Blade and then just for grins Jeep Blade and got nothing. ? > that is the make of it- it is a blade 4x4 >> A Mitsubishi is not a Jeep. >> [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] >> >> >> >> What will you use as a tow vehicle? that is the make of it- it is a blade 4x4 > A Mitsubishi is not a Jeep. > [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > >> > >> What will you use as a tow vehicle? ooooooooops sorry I meant it is a wrangler jeep 4x4 > that is the make of it- it is a blade 4x4 > > A Mitsubishi is not a Jeep. [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > >> > > >> What will you use as a tow vehicle? Ah - that's better. Saying that it was a Mitsubishi threw all of us off. Where did you get 'Blade' from? Sorry about getting hung up on the Jeep thing, but it's a Jeep thing eh? Now, moomoo, I actually _have_ a Jeep Wrangler (my second one). So this advice is coming from someone who has actually tried to do what you want to do, actually less than what you want to do. In a pinch I had to pull my previous popup trailer with my previous 1987 Wrangler YJ (the one with the square headlights). This was a relatively light popup and very low to the ground. I was able to do it only that one time because I never went faster than 40 MPH and it had that feel where I knew that I should not be doing it. I never did it again and all the other times I used the Toyota Sienna, which works fine for those small trailers. Now, you wish to use the same Jeep (even if it is the more capable new TJ model [which I have now]) to pull a heavier and taller travel trailer. It will pull it (strong engine), but at some point where you need to be controlling the trailer it will overpower the Jeep, and this will be when you need to be stopping. You will not be able to stop. Or it might pull you off of the road sideways. Really, moomoo. I drive what you drive. It already has the aerodynamics of a brick and gets pushed around on the road by wind. Now add the wind pushing the trailer sideways as well and trouble will ensue. (One tangential thought - do not ever use the 4X4 setting on hard pavement - it is only made to be used where the wheels will slip - or you will leave the transfer case in pieces along the road eventually. If you want to know why ask and I will tell you how that works, no problem. The 4X4 is no help in towing.) If you are going to do this anyway, look at really small popups and drive slow. That will be OK for you and your daughter. They are not at all hard to set up once you do it a couple of times. You still get off of the ground and that makes all the difference in the world versus a tent. They do quite well in the rain too. Think about it and then tell me your thoughts. Tomes > ooooooooops sorry I meant it is a wrangler jeep 4x4 >> that is the make of it- it is a blade 4x4 [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] >> > >> >> > >> What will you use as a tow vehicle? ooooooooops sorry I meant it is a wrangler jeep 4x4 > that is the make of it- it is a blade 4x4 > > A Mitsubishi is not a Jeep. [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > >> > > >> What will you use as a tow vehicle? ooooooooops sorry I meant it is a wrangler jeep 4x4 > that is the make of it- it is a blade 4x4 > > A Mitsubishi is not a Jeep. [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > >> > > >> What will you use as a tow vehicle? You are a liar and a troll! Either that or your IQ is below freezing. >ooooooooops sorry I meant it is a wrangler jeep 4x4 >> that is the make of it- it is a blade 4x4 [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] >> > >> >> > >> What will you use as a tow vehicle? Wow, I am a newcomer here my first day and I am beginning to not like this forum at all, how can you treat people so rudely?? What give you the right to treat people like they stupid uneducated individuals and this character by the name of Will and a few others should learn to be a bit more considerate of others feelings. I am afraid I am going to quit this group and look for a more friendlier forum...............Any one have any suggestions which forums are friendly out there? Me and my husband can't believe the way you treated this poor single mom, not all of you but there are a few of you that need a serious attitude adjustment................My 2 cents. > You are a liar and a troll! Either that or your IQ is below freezing. > [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > >> > >> > >> > >> What will you use as a tow vehicle? >Wow, I am a newcomer here my first day and I am beginning to not like >this forum at all, how can you treat people so rudely?? What give you [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >of you but there are a few of you that need a serious attitude >adjustment................My 2 cents. Number one, this is Usenet. It's not an AOL family chat room. There are no rules. Number 2, Google for troll. Number 3, if you are really serious, then Usenet is not for you. You're going to get your feelings awfully hurt. SignatureFrank Tabor How old are you? Why don't you grow up and put a sock in it??lol, as if.............. > >Wow, I am a newcomer here my first day and I am beginning to not like > >this forum at all, how can you treat people so rudely?? What give you [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > serious, then Usenet is not for you. You're going to get your feelings > awfully hurt. >How old are you? Why don't you grow up and put a sock in it??lol, as >if.............. I'm a hell of a lot older than you are. I've been around Usenet for a lot of years also. I have children older than you are. If you want to participate, why don't you lurk a while and find out just how things operate before you open your mouth. Mark Twain once said, "'Tis better to be thought a fool than to open you mouth and prove it". SignatureFrank Tabor > Number one, this is Usenet. It's not an AOL family chat room. There > are no rules. Number 2, Google for troll. Number 3, if you are really > serious, then Usenet is not for you. You're going to get your feelings > awfully hurt. Well put, Frank. One's only recourse to something they don't like here is to "change the channel". The aspect of usenet that makes it occasionally objectionable is why I like it: There is no Moderator. I have participated in several moderated groups and even moderated a couple myself over the years. Most are quite pleasant. Hunter's Airstream group is an excellent example. However, it can be a real hassle when a moderator gets out-of-hand and/or becomes dictatorial. That will chase away more folks faster than a topic that has gotten rough. Signature:) JR > However, it can be a real hassle when a moderator gets out-of-hand and/or > becomes dictatorial. That will chase away more folks faster than a topic that > has gotten rough. That's why so many of us use fake names to follow the Yahoo! Internet By Cell Phone group. I belong to many groups and that moderator is the worst. The information on the group and in the files, however, is wonderful. SignatureJanet Wilder Bad spelling. Bad punctuation Good Friends. Good Life I see where moomoo, posting as tonysbella@yahoo.ca, top-posted: >Wow, I am a newcomer here my first day and I am beginning to not like >this forum at all, how can you treat people so rudely?? Poor dear. Other than being incoherent, dishonest, ignorant and annoying, I think you probably are a nice person. Will Sill The Curmudgeon of Sill Hill > Poor dear. Other than being incoherent, dishonest, ignorant and > annoying, I think you probably are a nice person. ARGH!! [ROFL] :) I wish you'd post a "coffee spew" warning up front, Mr. Curmudgeon! Hehehehehehe! Signature:) JR I see where Jim Redelfs <jim.redelfs@NOSPAMredelfs.com> contributed: Will: >> Poor dear. Other than being incoherent, dishonest, ignorant and >> annoying, I think you probably are a nice person. JR: >ARGH!! [ROFL] :) > >I wish you'd post a "coffee spew" warning up front, Mr. Curmudgeon! > >Hehehehehehe! See wot happens when I try to be kind, considerate and Politically Correct!! Ridicule! 8-) Will Sill The Curmudgeon of Sill Hill > Wow, I am a newcomer here my first day and I am beginning to not like No you're not, you're moomoo with a new name and email address. I thought your whitespace-free posting style and whining looked similar to moomoo's, so I looked at the headers. You sure have an awful lot in common with moomoo. > this forum at all, how can you treat people so rudely?? What give you This is usenet. One must have thick skin to be happy here. Luckily, trolls like you have very thick leather for skin. If you're really offended, you might want to try some armor. > the right to treat people like they stupid uneducated individuals and We don't treat people badly because they're uneducated. We educate them. We do treat people badly who are stupid, however. > this character by the name of Will and a few others should learn to be > a bit more considerate of others feelings. Will, the self-proclaimed "curmudgeon", is an old fart who doesn't sugar-coat the truth. Whatever he thinks is what he writes, exactly as he thinks it. It's probably quite a breath of fresh air in person, but it's somewhat offensive online. Most people either plonk him or get used to him. > I am afraid I am going to > quit this group and look for a more friendlier forum...............Any Oh no, we're scared now. > one have any suggestions which forums are friendly out there? Me and my Looking for more places to troll? Don't even want to do that work yourself? You're pathetic. > husband can't believe the way you treated this poor single mom, not all Husband? You said you're a single mom, moomoo. > of you but there are a few of you that need a serious attitude > adjustment................My 2 cents. When in Rome, do as the Romans do. Our attitudes work fine; newbies adjust _their_ attitude or go away. You, OTOH, keep coming back, and now you're pretending to be someone else. >Wow, I am a newcomer here my first day and I am beginning to not like >this forum at all, how can you treat people so rudely?? What give you [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >of you but there are a few of you that need a serious attitude >adjustment................My 2 cents. It's easy. You are a f.cking idiot troll and are wasting the time of a large number of people. But of course, you know that and that is your purpose. Now, f.ck off and die! I see where an ignorant twit calling itself tonysbella@yahoo.ca contributed: >Wow, I am a newcomer here my first day and I am beginning to not like >this forum at all, how can you treat people so rudely?? What give you >the right to treat people like they stupid uneducated individuals and >this character by the name of Will and a few others should learn to be >a bit more considerate of others feelings. I am afraid I am going to >quit this group and look for a more friendlier forum. We provide free advice to people, even when they are incoherent and obnoxious. We have the right to treat stupid people any way we like. It is no sin to be ignorant and uneducated - we all start out that way. But stupid is repeatedly posting moronic ideas, announcing poverty and distress along with plans to buy overpriced rotting junk, and then whining because you don't like the advice you get. You are not compelled to read aloud what I write, and you are free to ignore my advice. You are also at liberty to bitch about it. Most important, you are certainly free to leave - with my blessing. You may do so, by the way, without being afraid. Will Sill The Curmudgeon of Sill Hill > Wow, I am a newcomer here my first day and I am beginning to not like > this forum at all, how can you treat people so rudely?? What give you [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > of you but there are a few of you that need a serious attitude > adjustment................My 2 cents. Don't go to rec.outdoors.rv-travel. It's a lot worse there. Hang in there. There are some nice people on this group who are helpful and polite. SignatureJanet Wilder Bad spelling. Bad punctuation Good Friends. Good Life |
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