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Minor panic - I just learned today that the internal battery in my Gateway Solo 1450 is defunct. Evidently I haven't exercised it enough. I would like to replace it before leaving on a trip next Friday. Some ebay sellers offer them at a rational price (around $60 incl shipping) but I cannot find one that advertises a phone number - or answers the one posted, or answers email on Sat PM. I am NOT willing to pay $120 or more, and don't want a used battery. I'd appreciate tips on how to get one here before Friday. TIA Will Sill The Curmudgeon of Sill Hill > Minor panic - I just learned today that the internal battery in my > Gateway Solo 1450 is defunct. Evidently I haven't exercised it [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > Will Sill > The Curmudgeon of Sill Hill I'm a little reluctant to ask, but did you Google "rechargeable batteries? That's how I found the best buy on cordless tool batteries. Can't remember the web site where I found them tho. Max I see where "Max" <thesameoldme@sbcglobal.netnot> contributed: >I'm a little reluctant to ask, but did you Google "rechargeable batteries? >That's how I found the best buy on cordless tool batteries. >Can't remember the web site where I found them tho. Googled for an hour - nothingn close under rechargeable batteries. Under laptop batteries, many ebay listings w/out contact info. It is beginning to look like I must wait until Monday to talk to a human. Will Sill The Curmudgeon of Sill Hill >I see where "Max" <thesameoldme@sbcglobal.netnot> contributed: > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Will Sill > The Curmudgeon of Sill Hill Your an old fart so try this link. We use them all the time. http://www.goelectronic.com/store/laptop_battery.html  SignatureMoParMaN---Remove Clothes To Reply --SCUD Coordinates 32.61204 North: 96.92993 West-- SignatureWant change? Vote out the incumbents. > >>I see where "Max" <thesameoldme@sbcglobal.netnot> contributed: [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > http://www.goelectronic.com/store/laptop_battery.html They didn't even *have* a battery for my Gateway M305CRV. Max >>>I see where "Max" <thesameoldme@sbcglobal.netnot> contributed: >>> [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > Max Really. SignatureMoParMaN---Remove Clothes To Reply --SCUD Coordinates 32.61204 North: 96.92993 West-- > > [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > > Nor a HP dv8305us, Pavilion. SignatureBILL P. Just Me & DOG >>>>>I see where "Max" <thesameoldme@sbcglobal.netnot> contributed: >>>>> [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] >> > Nor a HP dv8305us, Pavilion. HP, I don't worry about, I can get those direct from HP. SignatureMoParMaN---Remove Clothes To Reply --SCUD Coordinates 32.61204 North: 96.92993 West-- > > [quoted text clipped - 47 lines] > > Can't you get any battery direct from the company that made the laptop? SignatureBILL P. Just Me & DOG I see where "Max" <thesameoldme@sbcglobal.netnot> contributed: > Your an old fart so try this link. We use them all the time. > > http://www.goelectronic.com/store/laptop_battery.html They didn't even *have* a battery for my Gateway M305CRV. They list one for the Solo 1450 - for $139.95!!!! Advertised elsewhere for under $50 + shipping Will Sill The Curmudgeon of Sill Hill >I see where "Max" <thesameoldme@sbcglobal.netnot> contributed: > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > Will Sill > The Curmudgeon of Sill Hill DISCLAIMER: Max did *NOT* contribute the comment about "old fart". Max ( I might have inferred as much) (admtting to being slightly older) SignatureWant change? Vote out the incumbents. > Max did *NOT* contribute the comment about "old fart". > (admtting to being slightly older) Older than Will? Impossible. Isn't he over one thousand years old? <G> >I see where "Max" <thesameoldme@sbcglobal.netnot> contributed: > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Under laptop batteries, many ebay listings w/out contact info. It is > beginning to look like I must wait until Monday to talk to a human. I bought a laptop battery off of ebay last year. There was contact info for many of the sellers, who were pretty much regular brick and motar businesses. In those cases there wasn't any bidding, it was a set price that I was willing to pay for a warrented product. eBay is very serios about the sellers being reputable. SignatureJon JPinOH I see where "Jon Porter" <jporter@netwalk.com> contributed: >I bought a laptop battery off of ebay last year. There was contact info for >many of the sellers, who were pretty much regular brick and motar >businesses. In those cases there wasn't any bidding, it was a set price that >I was willing to pay for a warrented product. eBay is very serios about the >sellers being reputable. Thanx for the opportunity to whine a bit. What I wanted to do was BUY A BATTERY quickly at a rational price. I appreciate (really) all the advice to do something else, but that is still what I would like to do, though I am kinda giving up the idea. I already know several work-arounds but as to getting a new battery here by Friday, the challenges include: - getting retailers to answer the phone. 0.0000 - finding ANY supplier with a human to answer a question - let alone getting one with a clue. The vast majority of ebay vendors avoid giving out a phone number, and to date none of the email queries have produced an answer. - finding a supplier who has a battery in stock - getting a credible answer to why three different battery voltages are offered (9.6, 11.1, and 14.8) - getting a coherent answer from Gateway Support (sic) about any of the questions - thus far they are batting about .06. - learning why my display seems to have gone permanently dim after shutting down, removing the battery for inspection, and rebooting - wasting time reading compaints from hecklers. Whine mode terminated. Will Sill The Curmudgeon of Sill Hill snipped > - wasting time reading compaints from hecklers. > > Whine mode terminated. > > Will Sill > The Curmudgeon of Sill Hill With an attitude like this, it's amazing anyone offers any help to the poster. Hugh >Minor panic - I just learned today that the internal battery in my >Gateway Solo 1450 is defunct. Evidently I haven't exercised it [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >Will Sill >The Curmudgeon of Sill Hill Depending on how you will be traveling, the AC adaptor and a wall socket can be your friend. A 200 watt inverter and a gel cell battery might give you more computer time than a replacement LiOx if you can deal with the weight. OTOH, if you want an exact replacement, you can take a chance or pay the piper. I see where hchickpeaREMOVEME@hotmail.com (Harry Chickpea) contributed: >Depending on how you will be traveling, the AC adaptor and a wall >socket can be your friend. A 200 watt inverter and a gel cell battery >might give you more computer time than a replacement LiOx if you can >deal with the weight. OTOH, if you want an exact replacement, you can >take a chance or pay the piper. We are already using a little inverter and the ac adapter. Problem is that the laptop battery is so toast the puter croaks almost as soon as the car shuts off (accessory socket dies with switch off). Will Sill The Curmudgeon of Sill Hill > the car shuts off (accessory socket dies with switch off). It would be easy and inexpensive for you to wire in a 12v socket that stays live when the vehicle is off. >I see where hchickpeaREMOVEME@hotmail.com (Harry Chickpea) > contributed: [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > Will Sill > The Curmudgeon of Sill Hill Take it from a certified computer tech, don't use that battery anymore. Take it out of your PC and buy a new one. Batteries can and will explode, yours is probably close to doing that. You can also fry your system board. SignatureMoParMaN---Remove Clothes To Reply --SCUD Coordinates 32.61204 North: 96.92993 West-- Not sure of your situation Will, as far as batteries go. and this is just a way out try. Go to AutoShack or someplace like it and check out portable starter gadgets. See if you can plug it into your 12 volt to charge it up or 110 if you have it. Then use it to run your laptop. My laptop battery expired years ago, and no I just run it through an inverter wired directly to the house battery of the motor home. I checked once on replacement costs and like you I was unwilling to pay big sums for a direct replacement. Anne > I see where hchickpeaREMOVEME@hotmail.com (Harry Chickpea) > contributed: [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > Will Sill > The Curmudgeon of Sill Hill I see where "Anne Watson" <anneb3@mindspring.com> contributed: >Not sure of your situation Will, as far as batteries go. and this is just a >way out try. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > >Anne I guess I wasn't clear. The battery is not completely defunct - it just won't run the puter for more than a couple of minutes. I normally run it off the ac adapter, both at home on on the road via the inverter. Just learned how bad it was yesterday, and we are planning a trip to OBX via car. Though it runs fine on the road (via a cheap inverter) it's a bloody nuisance to have it shut down when we stop for gas. I'm not willing to shell out over $100 for a new battery, but didn't think $50-60 was outa line. Everything seems to cost more than it oughta! Will Sill The Curmudgeon of Sill Hill > planning a trip to OBX via car. Though it runs fine on the road (via > a cheap inverter) it's a bloody nuisance to have it shut down when we > stop for gas. I'm not willing to shell out over $100 for a new Will somebody who is NOT in Will's filter tell him what I and LZ wrote? He should just wire up some power that stays on when the car is off. I wrote to install a hardwired 12v socket, and LZ wrote to hardwire the inverter. Just quote this message. > Will somebody who is NOT in Will's filter tell him what I and LZ wrote? > He should just wire up some power that stays on when the car is off. I > wrote to install a hardwired 12v socket, and LZ wrote to hardwire the > inverter. > > Just quote this message. The negative benefits of filtering people. :) LZ > > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > I'm probably in there too, I hope. SignatureBILL P. Just Me & DOG >>>planning a trip to OBX via car. Though it runs fine on the road (via >>>a cheap inverter) it's a bloody nuisance to have it shut down when we [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >> > I'm probably in there too, I hope. Will and his filters. Soon, there will be no one to chat with. And he will die as old filtering farts do. SignatureMoParMaN---Remove Clothes To Reply --SCUD Coordinates 32.61204 North: 96.92993 West-- And he > will die as old filtering farts do. Wow.. They sell Fart Filters?!?! I wonder if Social Security will pay for em?.... :) > And he >> will die as old filtering farts do. > > Wow.. They sell Fart Filters?!?! I wonder if Social Security will pay for > em?.... :) If you can prove you need one to walk, it will. SignatureMoParMaN---Remove Clothes To Reply --SCUD Coordinates 32.61204 North: 96.92993 West-- > Will and his filters. Soon, there will be no one to chat with. And he will > die as old filtering farts do. He actually got several good suggestions. Too bad he probably didn't see most of them. Eisboch >> Will and his filters. Soon, there will be no one to chat with. And he >> will die as old filtering farts do. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Eisboch It's his loss. That's what happens when ya got a corn cob stuck up your a.s. SignatureMoParMaN---Remove Clothes To Reply --SCUD Coordinates 32.61204 North: 96.92993 West-- > We are already using a little inverter and the ac adapter. Problem is > that the laptop battery is so toast the puter croaks almost as soon as > the car shuts off (accessory socket dies with switch off). Hard wire the inverter. LZ >Minor panic - I just learned today that the internal battery in my >Gateway Solo 1450 is defunct. Evidently I haven't exercised it [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >Will Sill >The Curmudgeon of Sill Hill Check and see if you have any battery rebuilders in your area. I have used Batteries Plus in Oklahoma City for power tool batteries. Look in the yellow pages under batteries and see if any of them offer rebuilding services. They also may have a new battery cheaper that the manufacture. SignatureJim Rusling More or Less Retired Mustang, OK http://www.rusling.org I see where Jim Rusling <usenet@rusling.org> contributed: >Check and see if you have any battery rebuilders in your area. I have >used Batteries Plus in Oklahoma City for power tool batteries. Look >in the yellow pages under batteries and see if any of them offer >rebuilding services. They also may have a new battery cheaper that >the manufacture. Nothing locally that I could find. Worse, it appears laptop batteries are a specialty item, not much handled by power tool folks. Will Sill The Curmudgeon of Sill Hill >I see where Jim Rusling <usenet@rusling.org> contributed: > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >Will Sill >The Curmudgeon of Sill Hill I don't remember where you live, but check http://www.batteriesplus.com/ and see if there is one close to you. SignatureJim Rusling More or Less Retired Mustang, OK http://www.rusling.org I see where Jim Rusling <usenet@rusling.org> contributed: >I don't remember where you live, but check >http://www.batteriesplus.com/ and see if there is one close to you. They do not list a battery for the Gateway Solo 1450. But thanx. Will Sill The Curmudgeon of Sill Hill Actually, they do. NUL186508XFZ NUON PREMIUM LAPTOP BATTERY SKU: NUL186508XFZ But it's way more than you're willing to pay. Good luck. Will Sill <will@epix.gnet> apparently said: >I see where Jim Rusling <usenet@rusling.org> contributed: > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >Will Sill >The Curmudgeon of Sill Hill > Minor panic - I just learned today that the internal battery in my > Gateway Solo 1450 is defunct. Evidently I haven't exercised it [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > Will Sill > The Curmudgeon of Sill Hill Try this http://www.batteryrefill.com/laptops/gateway/solo1400.phtml?gclid=CO7zhI-es4cCFQ UxSgoddBidLw Jim > Minor panic - I just learned today that the internal battery in my > Gateway Solo 1450 is defunct. Evidently I haven't exercised it [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > Will Sill > The Curmudgeon of Sill Hill Is it totally defunct (as in won't work even if the charger is connected)... If it allows use with the charger, you can just do that for your trip.. I've had to do that a few times when travelling and forgot to charge it up... >I would like to replace it before leaving on a trip next Friday. Some >ebay sellers offer them at a rational price (around $60 incl shipping) [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >I am NOT willing to pay $120 or more, and don't want a used battery. >I'd appreciate tips on how to get one here before Friday. You might be able to resuscitate your existing battery. If you have a regulated power supply just put about 1.5 x the nominal battery voltage to it for a couple of hours. You're not going to kill it so you really haven't got anything to lose & they come back to life more often than you might think. SignatureR.J.(Bob) Evans (return address needs alteration to work) But do it someplace the battery can explode safely, if you do. I'm not kidding! Overcharging causes the cells to overheat. The resulting pressure can explode the battery and would probably also cause a fire. I *have* seen a suggestion to put the offending battery into the freezer and freeze it solid. Then thaw and try charging it. Maybe it will work, I don't know. > >> I would like to replace it before leaving on a trip next Friday. Some [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > I see where "R.J.(Bob) Evans" <bob d0t evans at sasktel d0t net> contributed: >You might be able to resuscitate your existing battery. If you have a >regulated power supply just put about 1.5 x the nominal battery >voltage to it for a couple of hours. You're not going to kill it so >you really haven't got anything to lose & they come back to life more >often than you might think. Seems a bit chancy but anyway I don't have a variable power supply handy - or any convenient way to hook it up. Laptop makers seem dedicated to the idea that everybody needs a _different_ battery configuration. Interesting tidbit that makes ya go "HUH?": some vendors offer a 14.6v battery for this exact laptop - though the factory battery is 9.6v!! Will Sill The Curmudgeon of Sill Hill > I see where "R.J.(Bob) Evans" <bob d0t evans at sasktel d0t net> > contributed: [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > Will Sill > The Curmudgeon of Sill Hill I know Bozo won't see this <g> but, IIRC the optional battery is 14.6 volts. If it were me and just wanted to keep the thing live, I'd get something like I have. Picked up a 12v compressor/starter-battery and plugged the computer into that. It came with a 2way 12v cord that could connect to the lighter socket. I use it in the boat also to power my fish finder. Only paid $30 or so for it. Hugh > something like I have. Picked up a 12v compressor/starter-battery and > plugged the computer into that. It came with a 2way 12v cord that > could connect to the lighter socket. I use it in the boat also to > power my fish finder. Only paid $30 or so for it. Someone who is NOT filtered by Will made a similar suggestion, although yours is better developed. I have a 12v jump starter/worklight. It came with a common 12v cord with a barrel connector on the end. It has two 12v outlets, jumper cables, and a couple fluorescent lights. The 12v barrel-plug cord input is not hooked up to any smart charging circuitry. It's hooked directly to the battery, and can be used for input or output. I like your idea. It costs more than mine or LZ's, but it's the quickest and easiest, and can power the laptop portably too. By keeping it plugged in while using the laptop, it will always stay charged; and by plugging the laptop into it instead of the car, it will always run. If the other person who suggested such a device meant to keep it plugged into the car, it wasn't obvious. Of course, Will will probably leave on his trip without having read any of the useful ideas... >>something like I have. Picked up a 12v compressor/starter-battery and >>plugged the computer into that. It came with a 2way 12v cord that [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > Of course, Will will probably leave on his trip without having read any > of the useful ideas... I neglected to mention I also have a $17 inverter <g>. But then of course everyone already realized that <vbg>. Hugh >I know Bozo won't see this <g> but, IIRC the optional battery is 14.6 >volts. If it were me and just wanted to keep the thing live, I'd get >something like I have. Picked up a 12v compressor/starter-battery and >plugged the computer into that. It came with a 2way 12v cord that >could connect to the lighter socket. I use it in the boat also to >power my fish finder. Only paid $30 or so for it. Copycat <g>! I have a similar setup when I take my GPS and Roady on a road trip in a vehicle other than my van. I have a 12v-12v cord (came with my jumpstarter) and several 2-1 12v splitters. By connecting all this together, I run the devices off the jumpstarter (or sometimes my portable compressor) and leave it plugged into the car 12v socket. That way everything keeps running until I turn it off, but while we're driving the source is being constantly recharged. The system works great. I've been doing it like this for a couple of years. (And Will *allegedly* won't see this either....) GB in NC >Seems a bit chancy but anyway I don't have a variable power supply >handy - or any convenient way to hook it up. Laptop makers seem >dedicated to the idea that everybody needs a _different_ battery >configuration. I know the feeling & I've heard all the crap about batteries exploding. I've done the resurrection thing with camera and handheld radio batteries - never a computer battery but I don't see why they would be different. I generally use the shop charger - the exact voltage isn't important - you just need to get some current flowing through the battery. >Interesting tidbit that makes ya go "HUH?": some vendors offer a >14.6v battery for this exact laptop - though the factory battery is >9.6v!! My old Garmin 45 will run on a range of voltage - its an extreme range too - like 9-45 volts. SignatureR.J.(Bob) Evans (return address needs alteration to work) I see where "R.J.(Bob) Evans" <bob d0t evans at sasktel d0t net> contributed: Will, re: hitting the battery with a higher voltage to revive it: >>Seems a bit chancy but anyway I don't have a variable power supply >>handy - or any convenient way to hook it up. Bob: >I know the feeling & I've heard all the crap about batteries >exploding. I've done the resurrection thing with camera and handheld >radio batteries - never a computer battery but I don't see why they >would be different. I generally use the shop charger - the exact >voltage isn't important - you just need to get some current flowing >through the battery. Ya got me curious. I already mentioned that the present battery is rated at 9.6v -- and that suppliers offer batteries with that rating and 14.8v for the same laptop. I dunno why yet. So I checked the ac adapter output with my DVM - 19.6V!!! I must be really retarded, because I don't get it. Adding to my annoyance, when I turned the puter off, removed the battery for inspection and replaced it, I found two more annoyances: 1) The time & date reverted to 1987!! That was easy to fix but; 2) the screen is now tattle-tale grey and I am too dumb to know how to fix it. A pox on Bill Gates. Will Sill The Curmudgeon of Sill Hill >So I checked the ac adapter output with my DVM - 19.6V!!! That will be a no-load rating. Hard to say what it pulls down to while charging the battery. If you have a boost charger I'd hook it up and monitor it with the DVM. As long as you are around 14 volts and the battery is getting warm then its working. SignatureR.J.(Bob) Evans (return address needs alteration to work) I see where "R.J.(Bob) Evans" <bob d0t evans at sasktel d0t net> contributed: Will: >>So I checked the ac adapter output with my DVM - 19.6V!!! Bob: >That will be a no-load rating. Hard to say what it pulls down to >while charging the battery. Yup - I realize that figure meant nothing - but wondered if it was an indicator that this machine could run on a 14.6v battery! >If you have a boost charger I'd hook it up and monitor it with the >DVM. As long as you are around 14 volts and the battery is getting >warm then its working. Don't have one of those - I'm kinda an appliance user and hate having to monkey with the dang information shovel. Thanx for comments. Will Sill The Curmudgeon of Sill Hill Okay, Will, I made a special effort just for you, although I don't know why. I must be "outa line". I fired up a different newsreader with a different email address configured in it. LZ, myself, and HD all have useful suggestions. Since it would be unfair to ask you to check what your newsreader has filtered, perhaps you ought to go to groups.google.com just long enough to read what we've said. In the meantime, I'll summarize it in chronological order: 1. You said your biggest complaint is that it dies when you shut your car off. Add a 12v outlet that's hardwired (or run a new hardwire circuit to an existing outlet). My idea. 2. Hardwire the inverter. LZ's idea. 3. Use a portable jumpstarter gadget -- the 12v battery with a couple 12v outlets and a set of jumper cables all attached to a nice case. Keep it plugged in to your car (to keep it charged), and keep your laptop powered from the jumpstarter (to keep it on when you shut the car off). Also, before HD suggested it, Anne Watson did, and I suspect you don't have her filtered. However, she wasn't as clear about it as HD was; I read her idea as you should charge the jumpstarter then run it down operating the laptop. Either way, while more expensive than my and LZ's ideas, it also allows you some portability if you're willing to carry the jumpstarter. It's certainly cheaper and more immediately available than a battery. Now, one question: How is this not OT for an RV newsgroup? --Rick Onanian > Now, one question: How is this not OT for an RV newsgroup? > > --Rick Onanian Hmm. RVs, laptops, newsgroups. You really don't see any connection? Max SignatureWant change? Vote out the incumbents. > > Now, one question: How is this not OT for an RV newsgroup? > > Hmm. RVs, laptops, newsgroups. You really don't see any connection? While true that you can use a laptop for newsgroups, these particular newsgroups have RVs as their specific topic. Much OT discussion goes on and is accepted, most of it labeled OT, but I've never seen an OT thread whose subject line says "not OT". In fact, I'm pretty sure he's not even going to use his laptop in an RV. If he had asked how to run it off his house batteries, that would have been on topic. He said that he's going to use it in a "car" (in which, to his annoyance, power cuts off when the car is shut off to refuel). A car is not an RV, and Will would certainly never tow a trailer with a car (nothing less than a semi for towing an 8' popup, for example). No matter what, locating laptop batteries is not on-topic for any RV newsgroup. It would be on topic for battery and laptop newsgroups, and maybe for general computing or electroncis newsgroups (but that would be stretching it), and people in those newsgroups would have MUCH more experience answering his question -- which is why newsgroups have topics in the first place. >> > Now, one question: How is this not OT for an RV newsgroup? >> [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > experience answering his question -- which is why newsgroups have > topics in the first place. Yabbut......well.......see........uh....... when the King of Sill Hill wants something, all bets are off. Max SignatureWant change? Vote out the incumbents. > No matter what, locating laptop batteries is not on-topic for any RV > newsgroup. Idiot! Lon >> No matter what, locating laptop batteries is not on-topic for any RV >> newsgroup. > > Idiot! > > Lon No, he isn't an "idiot". He's wrong of course but not an idiot. Laptops to stay connected to the world, home, friends and banking have become almost a necessity to rv'rs. As such, talk about battery life and other topics relating to laptops is most on topic. Will got let down by the owners manual. The Gateway manual for the Solo 1450 says nothing about running the battery down at least once a month. My new Toshiba manual does. I doubt it would do much good now for Will but when he gets a new battery perhaps it will. If he checks his manual, it tells him how to refresh the battery. It's in the battery maintenance section. Hugh - feeling Will's pain > >> No matter what, locating laptop batteries is not on-topic for any RV > >> newsgroup. > > > > Idiot! Ah, yes...well reasoned, thought out, and presented. > No, he isn't an "idiot". He's wrong of course but not an idiot. > Laptops to stay connected to the world, home, friends and banking have > become almost a necessity to rv'rs. As such, talk about battery life > and other topics relating to laptops is most on topic. So, if I understand correctly, the majority of people who would argue about topicality believe that anything you might do in or around an RV is "not OT"? I'll accept it but I won't agree. Understanding that, here's some future subjects I might label "not OT": 1. Microwave beef recipes (to use at home, although some people use in RV) 2. Pool cue tip replacement (to do at home...) 3. Electronic telescope aiming systems (from the same place every time) 4. Cleaning carpets (at home, but there are carpets in RVs) 5. Beer choices (but not to drink while driving an RV) 6. Windows XP freezing up when you access Windows Update 7. Waking up earlier than my wife 8. Best weight for a framing hammer (which I might store in my RV) 9. George W. Bush (oops, I forgot...that's the _main_ topic in rort) 10. Ice cream Snickers vs. Klondike (despite my small RV freezer) I'm sure these things are all perfectly "not OT", since they can all be done or considered in or around an RV, even if I'm not asking about how to do them specifically in an RV, or have anything RV-related to say about them, or even plan to have an RV at all anymore. >> >> No matter what, locating laptop batteries is not on-topic for any RV >> >> newsgroup. [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > to do them specifically in an RV, or have anything RV-related to say > about them, or even plan to have an RV at all anymore. I guess if you name it not ot, then it is so. So therefore, I can x-post by saying Not OT nor Xposted and x-post my a.s off. I'm thinking ya got have ole farts disease for this kind off ole fart logic. SignatureMoParMaN---Remove Clothes To Reply --SCUD Coordinates 32.61204 North: 96.92993 West-- >>>>No matter what, locating laptop batteries is not on-topic for any RV >>>>newsgroup. [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > to do them specifically in an RV, or have anything RV-related to say > about them, or even plan to have an RV at all anymore. All but number 9 are on topic for rv'rs as far as I'm concerned. Anything political in nature should be considered OT, IMHO. Hugh > > Understanding that, here's some future subjects I might label "not OT": > > 9. George W. Bush (oops, I forgot...that's the _main_ topic in rort) > > All but number 9 are on topic for rv'rs as far as I'm concerned. > Anything political in nature should be considered OT, IMHO. Funny...I had written something else in 9, then changed my mind when I remembered the constant political discussions that go on in rort and decided to squeeze in the GWB thing there. I suspect GWB gets more discussion than RVs in rort. Wouldn't such a topic have adverse posession, having occupied the land so much for so long? <G> Now that I understand that what is accepted here as on topic is not as intuitive as it is in other newsgroups, I will comply. >No, he isn't an "idiot". He's wrong of course but not an idiot. >Laptops to stay connected to the world, home, friends and banking have [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >refresh the battery. It's in the battery maintenance section. >Hugh - feeling Will's pain You might want to read some comments that I have written up of laptop battery life. It will give you some insight on how it all works. http://forum.snoman.com/viewtopic.php?t=236 ----------------- TheSnoMan.com I see where "Max" <thesameoldme@sbcglobal.netnot> contributed concerning one of the heckler brigade's questions: >> Now, one question: How is this not OT for an RV newsgroup? >Hmm. RVs, laptops, newsgroups. You really don't see any connection? He would if he used a GPS w/laptop while engaged in rv travel. But then, maybe not. Will Sill The Curmudgeon of Sill Hill > I see where "Max" <thesameoldme@sbcglobal.netnot> contributed > concerning one of the heckler brigade's questions: Wow! Talk about vitriol...apparently you have me filtered by name, not by email address. You must have missed the HELPFUL INFORMATION provided by all your filtered "heckler brigade". Else you surely would have argued against it while secretly making use of it. I'll paste it again below. >>Hmm. RVs, laptops, newsgroups. You really don't see any connection? > He would if he used a GPS w/laptop while engaged in rv travel. But > then, maybe not. Well, Will...I use a GPS without a laptop while engaged in RV travel. However, I suspect you're going to use a GPS with a laptop while engaged in non-rv-travel, based on you using the word "car" a few times, never mentioning an RV, and the fact that you're selling your RV. You are aware that newsgroups relating to laptops and batteries will be chock full of people with simple, easy answers exactly as you want? You wouldn't even have to lie with "not OT" there... Here's what the heckler brigade has to offer -- the only useful suggestions you've gotten: Okay, Will, I made a special effort just for you, although I don't know why. I must be "outa line". I fired up a different newsreader with a different email address configured in it. LZ, myself, and HD all have useful suggestions. Since it would be unfair to ask you to check what your newsreader has filtered, perhaps you ought to go to groups.google.com just long enough to read what we've said. In the meantime, I'll summarize it in chronological order: 1. You said your biggest complaint is that it dies when you shut your car off. Add a 12v outlet that's hardwired (or run a new hardwire circuit to an existing outlet). My idea. 2. Hardwire the inverter. LZ's idea. 3. Use a portable jumpstarter gadget -- the 12v battery with a couple 12v outlets and a set of jumper cables all attached to a nice case. Keep it plugged in to your car (to keep it charged), and keep your laptop powered from the jumpstarter (to keep it on when you shut the car off). Also, before HD suggested it, Anne Watson did, and I suspect you don't have her filtered. However, she wasn't as clear about it as HD was; I read her idea as you should charge the jumpstarter then run it down operating the laptop. Either way, while more expensive than my and LZ's ideas, it also allows you some portability if you're willing to carry the jumpstarter. It's certainly cheaper and more immediately available than a battery. Now, one question: How is this not OT for an RV newsgroup? --Rick Onanian >> I see where "Max" <thesameoldme@sbcglobal.netnot> contributed >> concerning one of the heckler brigade's questions: [quoted text clipped - 54 lines] > > --Rick Onanian Geez Rick, give the guy a break. He is old, you know. Besides I need help with my Fantastic Fan. See my On Topic post. John Andrews, Knoxville, Tennessee >> I see where "Max" <thesameoldme@sbcglobal.netnot> contributed >> concerning one of the heckler brigade's questions: [quoted text clipped - 54 lines] > > --Rick Onanian I really don't think it is necessary for a post to be only about a specific RV subject. Rather, it should provide Q&A on topics which may be helpful to the RV community. Example... Most of us on this forum are either retired or nearing that age. As such, medical care is an important issue. I see nothing wrong with a topic about medication availibility issues. Same for satellite TV, Amateur radio, weather, and a host of other issues. jmho >I really don't think it is necessary for a post to be only about a >specific RV subject. Rather, it should provide Q&A on topics which >may be helpful to the RV community. I think you summed it up perfectly. GB in NC
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