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temp@texter.org.uk - 04 Oct 2006 02:56 GMT
Hey folks...me again.

Having solved the problem of a vehicle (Class C Motorhome) paint
scheme, I thought you'd help me with another issue.

There are several plastic trim panels (orginal color is light cream -
currently dirty cream) in the vehicle that are faded and/or discolored.
I have tried using 100% bleach on them to restore the original color
without success.

The new interior of the vehicle will "clash" with these faded panels.

The vehicle is 20 years old and replacement parts are not available.

So, can I paint/stain/dye them? What can I use to restore them to the
original color?

Or....on a more serious line of thought.....can I build new ones? If
so, out of what and how?

Thanks for any comments/suggestions

Todd
Mountain Mike^^ - 04 Oct 2006 03:47 GMT
> So, can I paint/stain/dye them? What can I use to restore them to the
> original color?

Go to an auto body paint store. They will fix you right up.

MM^^
Healeyman - 04 Oct 2006 04:51 GMT
Go to an automotive paint store and talk to them about "Vinyl Dye".

Vinyl Dyes are used to re"paint" automotive vinyl seats, door panels, and
dash pads as well as the "plastic" bumper covers now on most cars.

They will be able to mix or reproduce nearly any color for you.  Some of the
higher end paint supply stores can even package the vinyl dye mix into a
rattle (spray) can for you.

Tim

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Dave Thompson - 04 Oct 2006 05:21 GMT
> Go to an automotive paint store and talk to them about "Vinyl Dye".
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> Tim

Try Krylon Fusion for Plastic.  It's probably a whole lot cheaper than
custom paint.  Any big box store has it.  We painted plastic lawn furniture
over a year ago and it still looks fine.

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dmartin@newarts.com - 04 Oct 2006 11:57 GMT
> Hey folks...me again.
>
> Having solved the problem of a vehicle (Class C Motorhome) paint
> scheme, I thought you'd help me with another issue.

Todd,

I like your paint scheme & think it fits well with the camper's shape -
it'll look great.

I especially liked the public attitude you managed to keep cheery in
describing your heart-rending  saga of reviving your camper. It looks
like the results are better than a Firebird any day.

You'd best make good use of the camper given your investment in pain,
sorrow, and gold.

Regarding refinishing vinyl, you might try VHT's vinyl dyes. they have
a good reputation & a fair color range available.

I'd like to see what the interior of your camper is like.  Can you
provide a model name so I can look it up? I like the exterior's look &
size.

Dave
Mickey - 04 Oct 2006 15:06 GMT
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> Todd

Did I miss something or what.  I saw no mention of vinyl and
unless you work in the plastics industry I'd bet most people
couldn't tell one plastic from another just by looking.

Todd, Noted you are in the UK.  Plastic can be painted but
numerous types need a special primer to help the paint
adhere to the substrate and prevent the volatiles in the
paint from attacking the plastic.  Here in the States you
can purchase primer in spray cans especially made for
plastic.  Once primed, you can paint with most common
aerosol paints.

Mickey
~~NoMad~~ - 05 Oct 2006 00:04 GMT
Get a can of Krylon Fusion spray paint. Its made to stick to plastic.

NM

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Jon Porter - 05 Oct 2006 02:34 GMT
> Hey folks...me again.
> There are several plastic trim panels (orginal color is light cream -
> currently dirty cream) in the vehicle that are faded and/or discolored.
> I have tried using 100% bleach on them to restore the original color
> without success.

Bleach whitens natural fiber fabrics, not plastic. The only affect on
plastic is that it is now germ free.

> The new interior of the vehicle will "clash" with these faded panels.
>
> The vehicle is 20 years old and replacement parts are not available.
>
> So, can I paint/stain/dye them? What can I use to restore them to the
> original color?

Probably. The real trick here is to determine the type of plasitc that you
have. If you can, perhaps pop off a piece of that trim and see how the paint
sticks to the underside of it. A mistake there would be hidden when the trim
is put back.

Somebody recently posted about a month ago on some cleaner that did a good
job on restoring color on plastic.
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Randy G. - 05 Oct 2006 05:45 GMT
It depends on what you are talking about.

If it is hard plastic panels these can be easily painted. Krylon does
make a Fusion paint specifically for plastics, but it doesn't work on
all plastics. Try it on the backside of a panel to be sure.

If it is a vinyl-covered panel, there are special paints for vinyl
that work really well, particularly if going from a light to a dark
color

On other sorts of plastics (like found on bumper covers and the like)
then there are special primers specifically for that purpose.

For all of the above cases, try an automotive paint store for advice
and materials.

If they are flat panels that don't need a lot  of forming then you
probably could make your own. Find a plastics shop.

Maybe make some in wood? Marine plywood is strong.  solid, and easily
worked and can be quite beautiful and strong.

 From Randy & Val
1990 30' Rexhal Airex

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RAM³ - 05 Oct 2006 16:23 GMT
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Check with your local automotive painters: while there is a large body of
"touch-up" paint available, they may have a better idea.

After all, they frequently have to address this issue when making collision
repairs since most replacement parts are shipped either unpainted or, at
best, only primed.

Given the vintage of your "Project Vehicle", I wouldn't be too surprised to
find that many of the interior plastic panels be made of ABS plastic and, as
a result, have major surface deterioration which could have an impact on
their ability to be painted. [I hope, sincerely, that you DON'T have to
fight THIS problem - you've got enough others.]

As to making new ones, yes, it is possible if the originals are in good
enough shape and you are good at mold-making. It isn't the easiest thing to
do but...

Good Luck!
Astroweb News - 07 Oct 2006 00:15 GMT
>> Hey folks...me again.
>>
>> There are several plastic trim panels (orginal color is light cream -
>> currently dirty cream) in the vehicle that are faded and/or discolored.
>> I have tried using 100% bleach on them to restore the original color
>> without success.

> Check with your local automotive painters: while there is a large body of
> "touch-up" paint available, they may have a better idea.

I solved that problem within the past month by going to the big orange box
store and buying Plastic Spray Paint in cans. It has a picture of lawn
furniture on it butworked fine on interior and exterior plastic items.

Tom J
Todd - 09 Oct 2006 05:25 GMT
Well………I’m a little overwhelmed by the response! Thanks to
everyone for replying. Some great ideas, definitely.

Wood replacements where my first thought. Having built everything from
a roll-top desk to a water bed, I thought this would be an easy
challenge. But I’m no Norm Abram's and don’t have a “Yankee
Workshop” over here. If I was home in Phoenix….different story.

The Krylon Fusion paint is available in the UK and I’ve ordered a
couple colors and some primer.

The ceiling panel is the largest panel requiring “color
modification” and has the largest surface “behind” for testing.
I’m pretty sure is ABS, but the guy at the store I bought from tells
me it should paint without difficulty. If not, the primer will solve
the problem (or so he tells me).

Dave…the name of this “thing” seems to be up for debate. So far,
I’ve had three specialists look at it. All three have called it
something different. However, the manufacture stamp on the frame as
Renault with the “Traffic” serial code stamped beside it. The
manual, on the other hand, says Renault Winnebago. And the registration
says Renault Traffic Winnebago. It must have had an engine replaced at
some time because the diesel engine is definitely Italian. I think this
is one of those “we’ll all chip in” models. I ordered brakes for
it last week, and the pads ended up being compatible with a Renault
Traffic van from the same year, so I guess we have a winner!

There are no vinyl covered parts in this, thank God! So I don’t have
to worry about that.

Being American, and living in the UK, I seem have a different approach
to solving the various problems this project is throwing up. But the
best part is definitely sharing the results with everyone. I seem to
surprise even the experts!

Thanks again for the posts and ideas. You guys are the greatest! 
Alan Robinson - 09 Oct 2006 05:58 GMT
Dave.the name of this "thing" seems to be up for debate. So far,
I've had three specialists look at it. All three have called it
something different. However, the manufacture stamp on the frame as
Renault with the "Traffic" serial code stamped beside it. The
manual, on the other hand, says Renault Winnebago. And the registration
says Renault Traffic Winnebago. It must have had an engine replaced at
some time because the diesel engine is definitely Italian. I think this
is one of those "we'll all chip in" models. I ordered brakes for
it last week, and the pads ended up being compatible with a Renault
Traffic van from the same year, so I guess we have a winner!

There are no vinyl covered parts in this, thank God! So I don't have
to worry about that.

Being American, and living in the UK, I seem have a different approach
to solving the various problems this project is throwing up. But the
best part is definitely sharing the results with everyone. I seem to
surprise even the experts!

Thanks again for the posts and ideas. You guys are the greatest! ?

The unit -looks- similar to a winnebago lesharo/itasca phasar, you might do
a google search and/or check www.lesharo.co.uk to see how much matches up...

Alan
Todd - 09 Oct 2006 06:06 GMT
> The unit -looks- similar to a winnebago lesharo/itasca phasar, you might do
> a google search and/or check www.lesharo.co.uk to see how much matches up...
>
> Alan

Thanks Alan! That is exactly the model! Right down to the stupid,
non-functional, bolted on "air scoop" on the hood!

Like I said...you guys are the greatest!
 
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