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Tire Chain Question

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Steve B - 24 Dec 2006 22:40 GMT
I have one set of two winter tire chains.  I don't want to go spend another
$125 for two more at this time.

I have a Dodge 2500 short bed with Cummins and 4wd.

I need to go up to my cabin, and there should be a good bit of snow.

Question:  Can I use one set if I put them on diagonally?  I only have 1/4
mile or so to go using the chains, the rest of the way, I can do it on the
road with 4WD.  Or do I need to bite the bullet and go buy another set of
chains?

What would you do?

Steve
RAM³ - 24 Dec 2006 22:48 GMT
> I have one set of two winter tire chains.  I don't want to go spend
> another $125 for two more at this time.
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>
> Steve

Forget chains - use these:
<http://www.mattracks.com/html/product_information__brochure.htm>
RAM³ - 24 Dec 2006 23:00 GMT
> I have one set of two winter tire chains.  I don't want to go spend
> another $125 for two more at this time.
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
>
> Steve

Serious answer: put them on the FRONT tires unless you're carrying a maximum
weight in the bed and go in with 4WD.

The weight of that Cummins will be giving you all the traction that you can
handle whereas an empty/lightly-loaded bed will not supply enough weight for
the rear tires/wheels to have any meaningful amount of traction.

By putting them on the FRONT, they'll also provide more traction when
changing directions.
Steve Barker - 24 Dec 2006 23:30 GMT
I second the notion to use them both on the front.  Especially for only a
quarter mile or so.

steve

>I have one set of two winter tire chains.  I don't want to go spend another
>$125 for two more at this time.
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>
> Steve
Steve B - 24 Dec 2006 23:46 GMT
>I second the notion to use them both on the front.  Especially for only a
>quarter mile or so.
>
> steve

Thanks, guys.  The quarter mile or so is only a little steep in two places.
Not a problem most of the time, but now that it has snowed, melted, frozen,
(repeat three or four times), there is some ice a few inches thick in some
of the steep sections.  Sliding off the road means sliding down some steep
stuff, and waiting until spring to retrieve the truck.

I may go and get a second set, or watch for a set of used ones, try the
front wheel only thing, and then as a last resort, do the four wheels.  It's
a sure thing that if I only have two on there, I'll probably get to sliding,
and have to hike to town and get a set anyway.

Tire chains are a pain, and the only place to put them on and off is the
area where the dirt road meets the pavement.  It's always muddy this time of
year.

Those Mattracks are pretty awesome.  I saw a Polaris with some on it last
winter.  Just depends on where it is you have to navigate.

Steve
RAM³ - 25 Dec 2006 02:17 GMT
"Steve B" <dsrttrvlr@aol.com> wrote in news:xjEjh.35311$B42.25812
@newsfe12.phx:

> Those Mattracks are pretty awesome.

So's their price tag! <G>
SnoMan - 25 Dec 2006 04:51 GMT
>I second the notion to use them both on the front.  Especially for only a
>quarter mile or so.

This is one of the silliest suggestions I have every heard for tire
chain usage. If you are towing put them on rear or both axles. You
want to keep rear end firmly anchored behind you with trailer. I have
done this and chained rear axle on trailers a few times too under
extreme conditions and lived through it without white knuckles too.
(when trailer axle is chained it no only keeps is stable but keeps it
behind you braking too) Also for those of you that tow in 4x4 you are
playing with fire because first time you get in a skid/slide with 4x4
drive with trailer pushing you, you will get in a nasty mess REALLY
fast because wait until you try to steer out of it in 4x4 or regain
control  because tires will not be able to turn at different speeds
when locked together to make good contact with ground. I would tow in
2wd with chains over 4x4 without them any day conditions are that bad
and route invovles climbs, decents and curves. There will be those
that will surcome to hormonal urges though and let the macho 4x4
persona rule.
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TheSnoMan.com
Steve B - 25 Dec 2006 12:16 GMT
>>I second the notion to use them both on the front.  Especially for only a
>>quarter mile or so.
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> TheSnoMan.com

Didn't read the post, huh?

I need to get up 1/4 to 1/2 mile of frozen dirt road.  NOT towing anything.

Nice rant, though.

Steve
SnoMan - 25 Dec 2006 12:54 GMT
>I need to get up 1/4 to 1/2 mile of frozen dirt road.  NOT towing anything.

Still would use them on rear and 2wd because towing or not you cannot
steer out of a fully skid in 4wd. BTW, my wifes 2wd cherokee with
studded tires on rear will easily out perfrom ANY 4x4 on ice with
unstudded tires in handling and driving even on glare ice. She had a
coworker by a Jeep GC a few years ago with 4x4 and that winter there
was a lot of ice and after a few trips to the ditch in it they traded
it next summer on a fwd. They never did understand how my wifes Jeep
did so well on the worst days with only 2wd.  I have seen many 4x4 in
the ditch on icy roads because they thought 4x4 was a cure all. Even
my plow trucks wear four studded tires in winter and there is a  set
of chains in tool boxes too if need be and they ALWAYS go on rear axle
first too, none of this diagnal crap.
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TheSnoMan.com
Steve Barker LT - 25 Dec 2006 22:58 GMT
my 4x4's better than your 4x4.....  ya  ya...  Another jeep owner.
Should've figured.  They just don't understand.

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Steve Barker

>>I need to get up 1/4 to 1/2 mile of frozen dirt road.  NOT towing
>>anything.
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> TheSnoMan.com
Eregon - 26 Dec 2006 15:42 GMT
"Steve Barker LT" <railphotonut@not.hotmail.com> wrote in news:FbadnW-
pSs8fyg3YnZ2dnUVZ_t2tnZ2d@giganews.com:

> my 4x4's better than your 4x4.....  ya  ya...  Another jeep owner.
> Should've figured.  They just don't understand.

"The SnoMan" has been trying to "snow" the rec.outdoors.rv-travel NG for
quite a while without success.

Apparently, this troll has decided to try its luck here. <G>
Steve B - 26 Dec 2006 18:51 GMT
> "Steve Barker LT" <railphotonut@not.hotmail.com> wrote in news:FbadnW-
> pSs8fyg3YnZ2dnUVZ_t2tnZ2d@giganews.com:
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>
> Apparently, this troll has decided to try its luck here. <G>

There seems to be a lot of that at RORT, doesn't there?

BTW, does Jeep still make Jeeps?   All I have seen lately are SUV wannabes
with big fenders.

Steve
Tom  J - 26 Dec 2006 19:17 GMT
> BTW, does Jeep still make Jeeps?   All I have seen lately are SUV
> wannabes with big fenders.

Seems to me the question should be does Chrysler still make Jeeps
since they bought American Motors that bought Jeep!! :-)

Or maybe does Daimler/Chrysler still make Jeeps??
The answer:
http://www.jeep.com/vehicles.html

Tom J

Tom J
Steve Barker LT - 26 Dec 2006 22:05 GMT
No, the MOpile , i mean chisler, i mean chrysler corp makes them.  They've
been junk since Willy's quit making them anyway.

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Steve Barker

>> "Steve Barker LT" <railphotonut@not.hotmail.com> wrote in news:FbadnW-
>> pSs8fyg3YnZ2dnUVZ_t2tnZ2d@giganews.com:
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>
> Steve
Eregon - 26 Dec 2006 22:43 GMT
"Steve Barker LT" <railphotonut@not.hotmail.com> wrote in news:mZOdnfoI-
ajvAQzYnZ2dnUVZ_tunnZ2d@giganews.com:

> No, the MOpile , i mean chisler, i mean chrysler corp makes them.  They've
> been junk since Willy's quit making them anyway.

Nice TROLL, Troll!
RAM³ - 26 Dec 2006 22:50 GMT
"Steve Barker LT" <railphotonut@not.hotmail.com> wrote in news:mZOdnfoI-
ajvAQzYnZ2dnUVZ_tunnZ2d@giganews.com:

> No, the MOpile , i mean chisler, i mean chrysler corp makes them.  They've
> been junk since Willy's quit making them anyway.

Please take your TROLLING back to rec.outdoors.rv-travel, Steve - it's not
appreciated here.

Of course, it's not appreciated THERE, either. <G>
Steve Barker LT - 27 Dec 2006 01:06 GMT
I'm not trolling.  But thanks for playing.

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Steve Barker

> "Steve Barker LT" <railphotonut@not.hotmail.com> wrote in news:mZOdnfoI-
> ajvAQzYnZ2dnUVZ_tunnZ2d@giganews.com:
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>
> Of course, it's not appreciated THERE, either. <G>
Steve Barker LT - 25 Dec 2006 22:57 GMT
Funny, i don't remember the original poster mentioning towing.

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Steve Barker

>>I second the notion to use them both on the front.  Especially for only a
>>quarter mile or so.
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> TheSnoMan.com
Steve B - 26 Dec 2006 01:38 GMT
> Funny, i don't remember the original poster mentioning towing.

Thank you, Steve.

Steve
GBinNC - 25 Dec 2006 01:52 GMT
>Question:  Can I use one set if I put them on diagonally?  I only have 1/4
>mile or so to go using the chains, the rest of the way, I can do it on the
>road with 4WD.  Or do I need to bite the bullet and go buy another set of
>chains?
>
>What would you do?

If it were me I'd spring for the second set and put them on all four.

When we lived in the mountains there were several times each winter that
we needed chains to get up the last several miles. I bought quick-on
cable "chains" for all our vehicles (our Class B van and two front-wheel
drive cars).

I could put on a set on the side of the road in five minutes or less.
Although I didn't use any of them very much, I've never regretted
spending the money it required to keep a set in each vehicle all winter
long. I still carry them in each vehicle during the winter, but it's
very unlikely that we'll need them here. Might be on the road somewhere
and need them, though.

Anyway, if I'd had 4wd I'd have put on four at a time, no doubt about
it. If you're serious about what you said -- that you'll have to wait
until spring to retrieve your truck if you slide off the road -- you're
nuts to do it any other way. That's cheap insurance, IMO. If you don't
use them often, they'll last a long time. And if you do, you'll be glad
you got 'em.

You can still slide off the road with only two wheels chained --
especially if the other two are also driving the vehicle. They'll spin
on the ice and you'll be gone. I'd feel safer using 2wd if only two
wheels were chained.

FWIW, from somebody who's used chains on icy, snowy, winding mountain
roads a few times....

GB in NC
Tom  J - 25 Dec 2006 03:12 GMT
>> Question:  Can I use one set if I put them on diagonally?  I only
>> have 1/4 mile or so to go using the chains, the rest of the way, I
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> about
> it.

All 4 wheel drive vehicles don't lock up all wheels and if 1 wheel
starts spinning traction is lost, so unless the vehicle is a full
lockup in 4 wheel drive 4 chains would be a must if any were needed
I'd think.  Been there and pulled my son out that thought he could go
anywhere with his 4 wheel drive Jeep. :-(

Tom J
Rick Onanian - 25 Dec 2006 03:34 GMT
> we needed chains to get up the last several miles. I bought quick-on
> cable "chains" for all our vehicles (our Class B van and two front-wheel
> drive cars).
>
> I could put on a set on the side of the road in five minutes or less.

I bought a set recently at Wal Mart for $15 or $20 or so, recently.

> it. If you're serious about what you said -- that you'll have to wait
> until spring to retrieve your truck if you slide off the road -- you're
> nuts to do it any other way. That's cheap insurance, IMO. If you don't

Sounds nuts to me _any_ way.
GBinNC - 25 Dec 2006 03:47 GMT
>I bought a set recently at Wal Mart for $15 or $20 or so, recently.

Were they "Security Chain" Z-series? If so, that's about half or less
what they cost through NAPA, even with my AAA discount.

>> it. If you're serious about what you said -- that you'll have to wait
>> until spring to retrieve your truck if you slide off the road -- you're
>> nuts to do it any other way. That's cheap insurance, IMO. If you don't

>Sounds nuts to me _any_ way.

Not if he really wants to get up to his cabin --  like when we lived in
the mountains and really wanted to get back up to the house after a
trip....

GB in NC
Rick Onanian - 25 Dec 2006 04:03 GMT
> On Sun, 24 Dec 2006 22:34:48 -0500, Rick Onanian wrote
>>I bought a set recently at Wal Mart for $15 or $20 or so, recently.
>
> Were they "Security Chain" Z-series? If so, that's about half or less
> what they cost through NAPA, even with my AAA discount.

I don't know. I'd have to go outside to check. Hopefully I'll remember
tomorrow.

>>Sounds nuts to me _any_ way.
>
> Not if he really wants to get up to his cabin --  like when we lived in
> the mountains and really wanted to get back up to the house after a
> trip....

It's still nuts. You probably couldn't convince me not to do it, but I'd
do it knowing that it's nuts...

"Oh you are nuts. N-V-T-S - nuts!"
GBinNC - 25 Dec 2006 04:06 GMT
>It's still nuts. You probably couldn't convince me not to do it, but I'd
>do it knowing that it's nuts...

LOL. I knew it was nuts when *I* did it. And I still did it.

>"Oh you are nuts. N-V-T-S - nuts!"

Where did that come from -- sounds like Mel Brooks, maybe?

GB in NC
Rick Onanian - 25 Dec 2006 16:00 GMT
> On Sun, 24 Dec 2006 23:03:59 -0500, Rick Onanian  wrote
>>"Oh you are nuts. N-V-T-S - nuts!"
>
> Where did that come from -- sounds like Mel Brooks, maybe?

Yup. History Of The World Part I.

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