I will be upgrading to a Fifth-wheel shortly, and I need to find out what
the pro's and con's are for the different types of hitches. The type of
latches and its durability, ease of use and removing the unit during the
time that I am not towing.
A short back ground:
2004.5 Chevy Silverado 2500hd lly duramax diesel W/Allison auto trans.
looking at a 10- 12,000 max gross trailer max. (trailer+ cargo)
currently using a Reese "bumper hitch" with the dual cam weight distribution
and sway control system and am very happy with the setup..
Please no personal attacks, lets keep the posts on topic and make
intelligent discussions as to which setups I should be checking into more
thoroughly...
Thanks for your time
RAM³ - 15 Jan 2007 05:05 GMT
> I will be upgrading to a Fifth-wheel shortly, and I need to find out
> what the pro's and con's are for the different types of hitches. The
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> Thanks for your time
A key point that you didn't provide: does your truck have a long-bed [8']
or short-bed [6']?
For a short-bed [6' bed] your best choice is a PullRite Sliding Hitch: due
to the lack of space between the nose of the trailer and the cab's rear
window, a sliding hitch is a virtual necessity and the PullRite is the best
one available.
Sliding hitches aren't that easy to remove due to weight.
Long-bed [8' bed] trucks have more options:
1. Ridgid-mount
The conventional ridgid mount hitches are the least expensive and
are often offered as part of a dealer's "package".
2. Air-suspension
Air suspension hitches buffer the truck and trailer from each
other, resulting in far less transfer of motion - including both
surging and porpoising - between the two. This translates into a
vastly more comfortable ride for the truck occupants and far
less rearrangement of the contents of the trailer.
3. B&W Companion
The B&W Companion is an add-on to the B&W Turnover Ball underbed
gooseneck hitch. The Companion can easily be removed by pulling a
locking pin handle located in a fender well and then lifting the
hitch out of the bed.
For ease of removal from a long-bed truck, the B&W Companion is hard to
beat.
For smoothness of ride, an air-suspension hitch - while heavier than the
other types and more expen$ive - is the way to go. [I have one and love
it.]
For price, a ridgid-mount [Reese, PullRite, Husky, more...] has its appeal.
Hope this helps.
Steve Barker - 15 Jan 2007 13:16 GMT
Use a gooseneck conversion, then put a nice flip over ball in the bed.
There, you still have a useable truck bed, and the trailer will tow so much
more nicely than with a fifth wheel hookup. As for the shortbed, you can do
it, you just have to watch it turning. Been doing it that way for a while
myself. (the next truck will be a long bed however)

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>I will be upgrading to a Fifth-wheel shortly, and I need to find out what
>the pro's and con's are for the different types of hitches. The type of
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> Thanks for your time
JerryD(upstateNY) - 15 Jan 2007 16:48 GMT
> Steve Barker wrote............. Use a gooseneck conversion, then put a
> nice flip over ball in the bed. There, you still have a useable truck bed,
> and the trailer will tow so much more nicely than with a fifth wheel
> hookup. As for the shortbed, you can do it, you just have to watch it
> turning. Been doing it that way for a while myself. (the next truck will
> be a long bed however)
First...........I remember reading here that many 5er frames aren't built
strong enough to use a gooseneck conversion.
Second..........Why would a gooseneck tow better than a 5th wheel ?

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RAM³ - 15 Jan 2007 17:48 GMT
"JerryD\(upstateNY\)" <jerryd@wherever.com> wrote in
news:45abb06e$0$4875$4c368faf@roadrunner.com:
>> Steve Barker wrote............. Use a gooseneck conversion, then put a
>> nice flip over ball in the bed. There, you still have a useable truck
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> built strong enough to use a gooseneck conversion.
> Second..........Why would a gooseneck tow better than a 5th wheel ?
It won't and most aren't. <g>
The appeal of the GN hitch is removability of the ball to provide a
relatively uncluttered bed floor. [GN hitches require safety chains attached
to "staples" that DO rise above the bed floor.]
The B&W Companion is a FW hitch that attaches AS the ball in a B&W Turnover
Ball GN hitch as I described earlier.
GN hitches were developed for agricultural use to provide better off-road
towing than a FW, conventional (bumper-pull), or pintle hitch by enabling the
tow vehicle to be at sharper angles to the trailer than the others permit.
Those who have never towed with an air-suspension hitch have no idea of the
difference that one makes. <G>
BTW, I couldn't help but notice that, although Steve touts the use of a
short-bed with a non-sliding hitch, he's decided to go with a long-bed for
his next truck. <g>
Steve Barker - 16 Jan 2007 01:04 GMT
Yes, it does get old having to worry about it and watch it on the turns.
You can actually bring 'er around enough to touch even going forward. Not
just backing up. (had the short truck before going to a fifth wheel
trailer)

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> BTW, I couldn't help but notice that, although Steve touts the use of a
> short-bed with a non-sliding hitch, he's decided to go with a long-bed for
> his next truck. <g>
RAM³ - 16 Jan 2007 01:09 GMT
"Steve Barker" <ichasetrains@some.yahoo.com> wrote in news:-e-
dnbSqgbTPuTHYnZ2dnUVZ_revnZ2d@giganews.com:
> Yes, it does get old having to worry about it and watch it on the turns.
> You can actually bring 'er around enough to touch even going forward. Not
> just backing up. (had the short truck before going to a fifth wheel
> trailer)
Yes, jackknifing one into a tight space, tight turns, etc., can be a bit
dicey with a non-sliding hitch in a SB truck.
Since I didn't want to have the problem, I started out with a LB.
'Course around here, SBs don't resell very well, either.
BTW, if you're "hooked" on GNs, EasyRider has an air-suspension upgrade that
you may be interested in...
Will Sill - 15 Jan 2007 20:07 GMT
I see where "JerryD\(upstateNY\)" <jerryd@wherever.com> contributed:
>First...........I remember reading here that many 5er frames aren't built
>strong enough to use a gooseneck conversion.
That's an assumption, based mainly on some limited data suggesting
that some parties using MDT's for towing have experienced frame
failures. I have personally never seen such a failure but it must be
acknowledged tha a gooseneck hitch WILL exert some slightly different
forces. Let the buyer beware.
>Second..........Why would a gooseneck tow better than a 5th wheel ?
From personal experience and old text:
Some people might be much happier with a ball hitch (AKA
gooseneck hitch) like those used by cattlemen. In view of recent
reports suggesting that some fifth-wheel frames are so fragile
they won't tolerate the rougher ride of MD trucks, I can no longer
recommend conversion of rv trailers to gooseneck unless you are
confident of frame strength, but if you are. . . .
Though I made my own adapter, they are available. I suggest you
use a folding ball mount that in a few seconds can be tilted
down into the truck bed, leaving it fully clear for cargo.
Advantages include:
Automatic compensation for off-level hookup,
and no twisting strain on uneven ground.
Easier no-crash hookup - just back the ball under the
hitch and lower the trailer onto it.
A completely clear truck bed when not using the hitch.
Much less costly (hitch is a hundred bucks or less) and
much lighter
Eliminates sensation of looseness when stopping/starting
with some hitches.
Stronger hitch (25,000# rating).
Lower hitch point means less overturning moment on the
truck in turns.
Disadvantages:
Requires a large hole in the truck bed
Takes a few seconds more to hitch unless you have fast
power landing gear.
I'm not aware of manufacturers offering this option on new
trailers. It worked great for me.
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Will Sill
The Curmudgeon of Sill Hill
Steve Barker - 16 Jan 2007 01:01 GMT
#1. I've heard that also, can't imagine how the frame would be affected. I
can see a cheap built pin box going to hell. I haven't had a problem with
mine. (forrest river)
#2. Allows for side to side flexing. Fifth wheel mounts do not as a rule.
#3. much cheaper to setup initially.

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>> Steve Barker wrote............. Use a gooseneck conversion, then put a
>> nice flip over ball in the bed. There, you still have a useable truck
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> strong enough to use a gooseneck conversion.
> Second..........Why would a gooseneck tow better than a 5th wheel ?
Frank Tabor - 16 Jan 2007 01:33 GMT
> #2. Allows for side to side flexing. Fifth wheel mounts do not as a rule.
bullshit. Most fifth wheel hitches do allow for side pivot.

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Paul Johnson - 15 Jan 2007 14:57 GMT
>I will be upgrading to a Fifth-wheel shortly, and I need to find out what
>the pro's and con's are for the different types of hitches. The type of
>latches and its durability, ease of use and removing the unit during the
>time that I am not towing. ...
If you opt for the basic type, be sure you get one that rocks side to side-
MUCH easier to hook up on uneven ground. I personally like Reese hitches,
but I doubt if there is much difference among the major brands.
Paul Johnson
Shellback - 15 Jan 2007 16:01 GMT
I think the data below is for a pull behind trailer and the numbers will
be higher for a 5th wheel. I have a Reese 15K fixed 5th wheel hitch that
works for me. Do you have a brake controller? Most 5th wheels do not
have surge brakes, they have electric brakes.
> 2004.5 Chevy Silverado 2500hd lly duramax diesel W/Allison auto trans.
> looking at a 10- 12,000 max gross trailer max. (trailer+ cargo)
Kevin - 15 Jan 2007 17:46 GMT
I've used a Reese slider in a short-box and now have a Reese fixed hitch in
a long-box. NOTE: I only slid the slider two times in the year I had that
truck. It just did not need to be done since our fifth-wheel, 32' w/ slide,
has an extended pin box. Something to think about! Things I hated about the
slider hitch -- 1. It was heavy as mentioned in another post. I was able to
pull it out myself, but it was NOT easy and best done with two people. 2. It
was annoying due to the slapping affect. During stopping or starting, there
was just enough play in the legs to be annoying. It was enough to jar the
hold-down pins loose a few times!!! That was scary.
The waste of a short box truck convinced me to move to a long box within a
year! I went to the extreme and purchased a crew cab long box 2500HD w/ the
8.1L/Allison/4.10. Sold the slider w/ the other truck. The Reese fixed hitch
does pivot side-to-side, does not have any fore and aft slapping, has never
jarred the pins loose and is an overall fine hitch. No complaints from me.
Someone mentioned wasting the bed space. Not true with today's hitches. They
mount to rails on the floor of the bed that allow the full floor to be
available after removing the hitch. Maybe they meant by flipping the ball
you can more easily have the full bed?
The air hitches look nice and maybe if I was towing as a full timer it would
be worth the bucks, but as a weekend and vacation camper, it just does not
compute!
>I will be upgrading to a Fifth-wheel shortly, and I need to find out what
>the pro's and con's are for the different types of hitches. The type of
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> Thanks for your time
RAM³ - 15 Jan 2007 17:54 GMT
> I've used a Reese slider in a short-box and now have a Reese fixed hitch
> in a long-box. NOTE: I only slid the slider two times in the year I had
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> would be worth the bucks, but as a weekend and vacation camper, it just
> does not compute!
You can get an air-suspension upgraded for your Reese fixed hitch from
EasyRider [ <http://www.easyriderhitch.com> ] when you get around to it.
I have one of their AR20K hitches which uses the Reese 20K hitch head and
Reese rails. <G>
Janet Wilder - 16 Jan 2007 01:52 GMT
> I will be upgrading to a Fifth-wheel shortly, and I need to find out what
> the pro's and con's are for the different types of hitches. The type of
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> Thanks for your time
I would look at a 4 way rocking hitch. It will be easier to hitch up on
uneven terrain. I also believe that it will absorb some of the shock
from uneven pavement.
We had a Pullrite Super-fiver when we had the pick up truck and were
very satisfied with the quality of the hitch, the ability to put a
padlock in it so that we knew it was hitched properly and couldn't be
tampered with and the level of service from the company.
The air hitch we had on the Freightliner was a 4 way rocker with the
same padlock features but it had a Binkley head. That sucker held on to
the trailer when it fishtailed and flipped onto its side. It held on
still when the wreckers righted the rig. You probably don't need such a
heavy duty hitch, but if you are considering one, it was made by
Mountain Master in Phoenix.

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Thoran Walker - 16 Jan 2007 02:27 GMT
>I will be upgrading to a Fifth-wheel shortly, and I need to find out what
>the pro's and con's are for the different types of hitches. The type of
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> Thanks for your time
Sorry guys, I did not list its a regular cab long box. I have 2 electric
brake controllers one installed and one i carry as a spare..