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1980 GMC transit bus conversion...... Help my parking brake wont disengage!
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bloodonthefloor@gmail.com - 21 Jan 2007 02:24 GMT I have a 1980 GMC 36' transit bus converted, my problem is that when i disengage the parking brake it is stuck on. I have managed to disengage it a few times by turning it on/off a few times, but it seems like it might need some adjusting?? any help would be appreciated..
Tom J - 21 Jan 2007 03:18 GMT > I have a 1980 GMC 36' transit bus converted, my problem > is [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > but it seems like it might need some adjusting?? any help would be > appreciated.. Seems to me like you rarely drive the bus and the rust sets up and keeps the band from seperating from the drum. If this is the cause, park where you don't have to leave the parking brake on except for short stops. This is worse if you are in an area where the roads are treated to remove ice & snow.
Tom J
R.J.(Bob) Evans - 21 Jan 2007 04:32 GMT > I have a 1980 GMC 36' transit bus converted, my problem is >that when i disengage the parking brake it is stuck on. I have managed >to disengage it a few times by turning it on/off a few times, but it >seems like it might need some adjusting?? any help would be >appreciated.. You should post that question here: http://www.busconversions.com/bbs/index.php?board=1.0
And we'll need some more information - is this an air brake system?
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Dave and Trudy - 21 Jan 2007 07:42 GMT > I have a 1980 GMC 36' transit bus converted, my problem is > that when i disengage the parking brake it is stuck on. I have managed > to disengage it a few times by turning it on/off a few times, but it > seems like it might need some adjusting?? any help would be > appreciated.. Just some more info needed. Are the brakes (including the parking brake) air operated or hydraulics?
DaveD
bloodonthefloor@gmail.com - 21 Jan 2007 08:58 GMT > > I have a 1980 GMC 36' transit bus converted, my problem is > > that when i disengage the parking brake it is stuck on. I have managed [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > DaveD The brakes are air operated. Thanks for the quick replys I really appreciate it! As of now the parking brake is stuck and my bus is stuck, not in a bad place and I can still work on it, but still i would like to drive it around! :))
I tried to disengage the brake when the bus was off and the PSI was at 0... When I started the bus, the pressure builds and somewhere around 40 PSi the valve knob, (press to release the brake, pull to turn it on) automatically popped up... meaning the brake was engaged. I found this pretty annoying as if the brakes have no PSI i thought i could turn it off, turn off the brake and start the bus using the normal air brakes so i could move the bus... :///
I will keep trying until this is resolved! Also i found a small copper tube with something next to the brake? im not sure if this has naything to do with the brake.... seems to have a screw end on it..
any info is appreciated! thanks! :)
bloodonthefloor@gmail.com - 21 Jan 2007 10:27 GMT > > > I have a 1980 GMC 36' transit bus converted, my problem is > > > that when i disengage the parking brake it is stuck on. I have managed [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > > any info is appreciated! thanks! :) Update:
following info fixed my problem, also i know what kind of brakes i have now, gotta give us newbs slack :))
here was the fix:
f they have three, then you've got DD3s, which release differently than spring brakes.
1. Build the air pressure up to the governor cut-out (about 120 psi).
2. Release the parking brake by pushing the button in.
3. Apply a full service brake application, and hold for 5 seconds.
4. Release service brakes, and see if the brakes are free.
If so, problem solved.
If not, besides what the others mentioned, if you've got DD3s, then the rollers may be "rusted" stuck inside the brake cans. Translation: time to pull the cans and rebuild them, or exchange for rebuilts.
thanks!
R.J.(Bob) Evans - 21 Jan 2007 15:37 GMT >following info fixed my problem, also i know what kind of brakes i have >now, gotta give us newbs slack :)) No - where brakes are concerned we don't have to give you any slack. And there's a pun there that you are no doubt too bloody stupid to understand.
Fortunately in my jurisdiction we need to demonstrate at least a modicum of knowledge about air brake systems before being allowed to operate a vehicle with them. Apparently that is not the case wherever you live. For your own sake, for the sake of your family and for the sake of everyone else who shares the road with you, get your stupid a.s to a truck training centre and spend at a minimum a day learning about air brakes. If you don't you will kill someone.
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Tom J - 21 Jan 2007 16:11 GMT > Fortunately in my jurisdiction we need to demonstrate at least a > modicum of knowledge about air brake systems before being allowed to [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > a.s to a truck training centre and spend at a minimum a day learning > about air brakes. If you don't you will kill someone. In the US every state has a CDL driver's manual that covers air brake operation. I suggest he get a CDL driver's license manual and learn about air brakes.
Many states don't seem to worry about air brakes unless a CDL license is required and motorhomes don't require a CDL.
Tom J
R.J.(Bob) Evans - 21 Jan 2007 18:22 GMT >In the US every state has a CDL driver's manual that covers air brake >operation. I suggest he get a CDL driver's license manual and learn >about air brakes. > >Many states don't seem to worry about air brakes unless a CDL license >is required and motorhomes don't require a CDL. The rules up here in the frozen north are equally ambiguous in some provinces. That doesn't make them right nor does it make it safe for idiots to operate air brake equippped vehicles weighing in excess of 14 tons without understanding how their brake system works.
This is a pet peeve of mine - there are enough "experienced" truck drivers who don't understand air brakes without adding RV drivers to the total.
Your advice about the CDL manual is good advice - the OP should do something to educate himself. My guess is he won't.
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tkranz - 22 Jan 2007 01:40 GMT Seems to me the OP was trying to educate himself here. He's less likely to continue to do so after belligerent posts like yours.
Sheeesh!!! Plunk
> >In the US every state has a CDL driver's manual that covers air brake > >operation. I suggest he get a CDL driver's license manual and learn [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > R.J.(Bob) Evans > (return address needs alteration to work) bloodonthefloor@gmail.com - 23 Jan 2007 00:15 GMT First off, to clear things up, i had to get this bus on my land, and out of the backyard where It was sitting so i drove it, and no one died, oh yes we were driving in 6 lane PDX traffic and it was no problem..
as for calling me a stupid a.s? what is the point? I said i was new to brakes, and was asking for information which would lead me to know MORE about them.. Learning something new needs to start somewhere, im sorry if i asked a question in your beloved forum where you feel so elite that you must haggle newcomers. OBVIOUSLY a air system is different than my minivans system, and it will take time to learn all the in's, out's, goods and bads.. Unfortunatly I dont have the manual to even read the most basic things, hence why i am here on the internet to find out the BASICS.
A day after obtaining the bus I ordered the operating manual, the engine manual, the transmission manual, and the maintenece manual, which i have not recieved yet. If you think your negative attitude towards people who just want to learn is doing any good, i can assure you it just passes bad vibes. You have harsh mannerisms and this seems to stem from your frustration.. Let me teach you something old wise one.. YOu need to teach the youth, not scold them into form. The youth are your future, and the youth carry on your legacy, and also take care of you.. From your attittude I feel you have some problems with youth...
let me give you an example of how you could of told me, "no we dont need to give you a break" incase you missed my point. Telling me im a stupid a.s and im going to kill someone makes me forget the point, making me think to myself, "god what an a.shole".. well you failed at your point across, unless the point was to let me know how much of a jerk you protray yourself to be.
If you want to teach people in the future about something important, dont call them stupid, tell them your concerns, and make them know how important they are with less harsh mannerisms..
maybe you havent heard, but you catch more flies with honey than vinegar?
loosen up, no one is going to want to talk with you, when you treat people like you did... pathetic.
To everyone else, thank you for the kind replies, also I do have CDL classes scheduled for next month. Aswell as taking some diesel engine classes at a community college... Hopefully my professor isnt as much as an a.s as R.J...
Love and peace
> >following info fixed my problem, also i know what kind of brakes i have > >now, gotta give us newbs slack :)) [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > a.s to a truck training centre and spend at a minimum a day learning > about air brakes. If you don't you will kill someone. R.J.(Bob) Evans - 23 Jan 2007 04:26 GMT Snipped a major rant about how I hurted this nameless wonder's feelings
>To everyone else, thank you for the kind replies, also I do have CDL >classes scheduled for next month. Aswell as >taking some diesel engine classes at a community college... Hopefully >my professor isnt as much as an a.s >as R.J... Sounds like - contrary to what you claimed - you actually did get my point. Just stay off the road until you know what you are doing.
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Rudy - 23 Jan 2007 16:20 GMT > First off, to clear things up, i had to get this bus on my land, and > out of the backyard where It was sitting so i drove it, and no one > died, oh yes we were driving in 6 lane PDX traffic and it was no > problem.. > > Love and peace Bobs delightful commentary flushed down the toilet
Have some compassion for Bob and consider his upbringing, roaming in the bitter cold with buffalo's in northern Saskatchewan has frozen his neurons and not everything is functioning properly. You know it is not a picnic to be the official tourist guide by day and junkyard dog by night. Besides Bob wants to go fulltime and needs to make some friends so he can stay with them, would you happen to have some space to accommodate him so we can expedite his departure from Canada? Rudy
Dave and Trudy - 22 Jan 2007 08:24 GMT > Update: > [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > thanks! Here is my spin on this. The parking brake will applied automatically when the air pressure drops below about 20psi. It varies a bit with each vehicle but around 20psi. The air brakes work in reverse of what many people think. The air pressure does not apply the brakes, rather the air pressure forces the shoes away from the drums and holds them there. When the pedal is depressed the pressure is lowered and the brakes are applied... A good thing to do each time you get ready to drive the vehicle (first time in a day) is to pump the air down to around 80psi (at this point the governor should allow the air to start to build up), if it does continue pumping the air down until your alarm light/buzzer comes on (should be at 55 psi). Then let the pressure build up and the governor should cut off the air compressor at 130psi. You can hear the coach "sneeze" and the needle will quit moving. A word of caution. When you stop and apply the parking brake by pulling the pp2 valve up be sure your service brake pedal is only depressed just enough to hold the coach. If you have the service brake pedal all the way down, you may not be able to get the "S" cams to move to release the service brakes. To ensure that your brakes have released, put the coach in gear before releasing the brakes and it should creep forward when you release the brakes. I agree the surest way to release the brakes is to push the service brake pedal down as far as you can, then release it. Another caution. The pp2 valve handle fits down over a metal shaft and the two are joined by a transverse roll pin. The roll pins have the disquieting habit of coming out of the assembly. Result - when you push the pp2 valve handle down, the plastic handle (which is hollow) simply slides down over the metal shaft (no roll pin remember) and the parking brake will not release because you have not in fact pushed the valve open. Just some info to help, I hope. BTW you can check the operation of the pp2 at low air pressure by releasing the parking brake then pumping the pressure down until the pp2 handle pops up, usually about 20 psi. Hope this helps.
DaveD
Frank Tabor - 22 Jan 2007 17:51 GMT >> Update: >> [quoted text clipped - 52 lines] > > DaveD You'd better go back to school. You are wrong.
Spring brakes are held in the the release position by a minimum of 60 psi. Any lower and the button pops out and the pressure is released and the brakes apply. BTW, this pressure is a standard set by the Federal DOT.
Service brakes operate off a separate diaphragm and are applied by putting varying amounts of pressure on a different diaphragm than the parking brake.
I'm a truck driver and I know of what I speak.
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Dave and Trudy - 23 Jan 2007 07:55 GMT > You'd better go back to school. You are wrong. > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > I'm a truck driver and I know of what I speak. Which box did you get your license out of? Ceral or Cracker Jax. What you say may be applicable for trucks but not for motor coaches. And we are speaking of motor coaches that is what a metro bus or coach is. But I should have expected such horsecrap from you. I have observed your many posts in which you have to attack everyone just to bolster your own overinflated ego. BTW I am a bust driver and I know of what I speak. DaveD
GBinNC - 23 Jan 2007 12:48 GMT >> I'm a truck driver and I know of what I speak. >> >> Frank Tabor
>I am a bust driver and I know of what I speak. LOL. (Make up your own joke here.)
GB in NC
Frank Tabor - 23 Jan 2007 14:24 GMT >> You'd better go back to school. You are wrong. >> [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > overinflated ego. BTW I am a bust driver and I know of what I speak. > DaveD What rinky dink outfit do you drive for? I want to make sure to never be where you are. You don't know sh.t about air brakes and you're going to kill somebody giving them erroneous advice. Show me a reference that tells how you think air brakes work, and I'll show you 100 that say you are wrong.
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Frank Tabor - 23 Jan 2007 14:38 GMT >> You'd better go back to school. You are wrong. >> [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > overinflated ego. BTW I am a bust driver and I know of what I speak. > DaveD Here are four references that say you are wrong. All say that air pressure is applied to the service brakes to apply braking power. All say that the low pressure warning is 60 psi. Some buses may be higher at 80 psi.
None say the brakes apply at less than 20 psi. None say that air pressure is removed to apply service braking.
I await your apology, though I won't hold my breath. My money is that you will slink off into the nether without relying because you know you are wrong, and I have proved it.
http://www.e-z.net/~ts/ts/brakpg.htm http://www.dot.state.ia.us/mvd/ods/cdl/section5.pdf http://www.dmv.ca.gov/pubs/cdl_htm/sec5_a.htm http://209.85.165.104/search?q=cache:iHDdCTW3upcJ:www.nydmv.state.ny.us/broch/cd l/cdl10sec05.pdf+air+brakes&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=16
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Tom J - 23 Jan 2007 15:05 GMT > Here are four references that say you are wrong. All say that air > pressure is applied to the service brakes to apply braking power. > All say that the low pressure warning is 60 psi. Some buses may be > higher at 80 psi. But the original question was about locked up PARKING brakes, not SERVICE brakes. Both apply brakes to the same shoes/drums/disk but in 2 different ways. Parking brakes on every air brake vehicle I ever drove came on when the air was released, including trailers.
Tom J
Frank Tabor - 23 Jan 2007 15:40 GMT >> Here are four references that say you are wrong. All say that air >> pressure is applied to the service brakes to apply braking power. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Tom J That's exactly what I said. The poster I was answering contends that the parking brakes come on when the pressure drops below 20 psi, and that is not correct. 60 psi is the set point that service brakes will come on automatically. 60 psi is the minimum operating pressure for air service brakes.
Also he said that service brakes operated by the amount of air removed from the diaphragm and that isn't true either. The Service brakes are applied by applying air pressure.
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R.J.(Bob) Evans - 23 Jan 2007 21:31 GMT >> Here are four references that say you are wrong. All say that air >> pressure is applied to the service brakes to apply braking power. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >2 different ways. Parking brakes on every air brake vehicle I ever >drove came on when the air was released, including trailers. Read my reply to the BUST driver to see why this happens. And if you pull a pre-1983 trailer without maxis the brakes will come off when the trailer loses air.
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Dave and Trudy - 23 Jan 2007 19:40 GMT >> Here are four references that say you are wrong. All say that air > pressure is applied to the service brakes to apply braking power. All say [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > http://www.dmv.ca.gov/pubs/cdl_htm/sec5_a.htm > http://209.85.165.104/search?q=cache:iHDdCTW3upcJ:www.nydmv.state.ny.us/broch/cd l/cdl10sec05.pdf+air+brakes&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=16 Frank, I did not say that the service brakes were applied by removing air pressure. We were dealing with the parking brakes which are applied by removing air pressure. If my original post gave you the impression to the contrary, for that I apologise. As regards the remainder of your rant, what I was describing was a series of actions that we use before each trip to check the braking system. In that, we release the parking brakes, pump the air pressure down to around 85 psi, then check that pressure is building up, then continue pumping down until 55 psi where the warning light and buzzer comes on, then continue pumping down (at least on the MCI A models) until the pp2 valve pops up (usually down around 20 psi). Once again, we were dealing with parking brakes and how that system works plus a series of tests that the op could do (before he got on the road) to check both the parking brakes and the service brakes. I did NOT intend to give the impression that the service brakes were applied by removing air pressure and I believe I stated that the warning light and buzzer would come on at 55 psi. Of course, I am not a truck driver, therefore I admit that I am not perfect and can make mistakes and give explanations that are not letter perfect.
DaveD
R.J.(Bob) Evans - 23 Jan 2007 21:35 GMT >I did not say that the service brakes were applied by removing air pressure. Yes - you absolutely did say that. You may have since figured out that you were dead wrong when you posted that but that is exactly what you posted.
I'll refresh your memory - here's your quote verbatim: "The air brakes work in reverse of what many people think. The air pressure does not apply the brakes, rather the air pressure forces the shoes away from the drums and holds them there. When the pedal is depressed the pressure is lowered and the brakes are applied.."
If you now figured out that you were wrong then that is a good thing because you definitely were wrong.
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Steve Barker - 24 Jan 2007 16:53 GMT Dave, Yes, you did. Here is a copy and paste from your reply a few days ago:
:::::: When the pedal is depressed the pressure is lowered and the brakes are applied... ::::::::
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>> Frank, > I did not say that the service brakes were applied by removing air > pressure. >> > DaveD Dave and Trudy - 24 Jan 2007 22:17 GMT > Dave, Yes, you did. Here is a copy and paste from your reply a few days > ago: [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >>> >> DaveD Oops, that is just backwards to what I intended. My brain was ahead of my fingers. I meant to say that as the brakes are applied the pressure is lowered. That is how we pump down the air pressure to run the bake checks before leaving the yard. This applies to the service brakes I might add. DaveD
Steve Barker - 23 Jan 2007 15:14 GMT Bust driver? Count me in!
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BTW I am a bust driver and I know of what I speak.
> DaveD Rudy - 23 Jan 2007 16:07 GMT >> You'd better go back to school. You are wrong. >> [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > overinflated ego. BTW I am a bust driver and I know of what I speak. > DaveD Frank is the one that gave the correct information, and no busses and motor homes use exactly the same system, the only difference would be in the type of shoes, or what was used in earlier systems of air over hydraulic. However in both systems lack of air will activate the spring brake and the air will be required to apply the service brake, and both systems require min 60 psi before the springs are sufficiently compressed to release parking brake. Rudy
R.J.(Bob) Evans - 23 Jan 2007 21:29 GMT >Which box did you get your license out of? Ceral or Cracker Jax. What you >say may be applicable for trucks but not for motor coaches. And we are [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >overinflated ego. BTW I am a bust driver and I know of what I speak. >DaveD You definitely are a "bust" driver. And the fallacy you believe about air brakes is a common one but - just like liberal ideas - being commonly held doesn't make it true.
Pay attention and learn something. Or don't - see how much I care.
This is cut from the article I wrote for the Dec. issue of Bus Conversions. An article written, BTW, at the editor's request to correct the fallacy dipshit Dave has just perpetuated.
Despite what many truckers believe, air brake systems operate in a very similar manner to hydraulic brake systems. If you strip away all the complicated air circuits, relay valves, dual systems, etc. you are left with a foot treadle that applies air pressure to the brake shoes. When the brake shoes contact the drum heat is generated which dissipates the energy of the moving vehicle and ultimately stops it. Obviously it is more complicated than that, but the principle is the same as stepping on the brake in your car which transfers pressure to the brakes through hydraulic brake fluid.
The reason confusion arises is because older brake systems - single chamber systems - were exclusively air operated while newer systems - dual chamber systems - also involve springs. The important point to remember is that the springs are for parking - nothing else. When you step on the service brake the only thing that happens is that air pressure is applied to a piston which acts through a push rod, slack adjuster and S-cam to apply your brakes.
A single chamber air pot houses a diaphragm attached to a pushrod. When air pressure is applied to the pot the pushrod extends. To apply parking brakes with this type of brake pot it is necessary for the system to hold air pressure indefinitely. Obviously that doesn't happen and that is the reason that spring brakes or dual chamber air pots were developed.
On a dual chamber air pot there are - surprisingly enough - two chambers. One chamber houses a great big spring and a diaphragm. The other chamber houses a diaphragm. Either the spring or the diaphragm or both have the ability to extend the pushrod. On a dual chamber or spring system when you push the brake release button you apply air to the rear chamber on the pot. The diaphragm in that rear chamber compresses the spring. At that point the spring is not extending the push rod so the brakes are released. When you pull the knob to apply the brakes the whoooossssh of air you hear is the air leaving the rear chamber, releasing the spring which extends the pushrod and applies the brakes.
When you step on the brake treadle in a dual chamber system you apply air to the front chamber which also extends the push rod and applies the brakes. The term "compounding the brakes" refers to the situation where a newbie driver applies the service brakes at the same time as the parking brakes are being applied by the brake spring. Newer systems have anti-compounding circuitry but it still is a good idea not to use the service brakes while the spring brakes are applied.
The only other item worth noting in this discussion is what happens if you lose air pressure on a spring brake system. At some point between 80 and 60 PSI the springs will start to overcome the air pressure that is caging them in the rear chamber and your brakes will start to drag. Eventually the application valve will pop which will fully apply the spring brakes.
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Dave and Trudy - 24 Jan 2007 07:11 GMT >>Which box did you get your license out of? Ceral or Cracker Jax. What you >>say may be applicable for trucks but not for motor coaches. And we are [quoted text clipped - 65 lines] > Eventually the application valve will pop which will fully apply the > spring brakes. I admit that I have learned something from that article about the working of the service brakes. I thank you for that. I would point out that I was refering to the parking brakes as per the op's original question. I probably muddied the waters trying to explain the series of tests (checks) that I run each time prior to taking a coach out on the road. In that I stated that the air pressure is pumped down to check governor operation, warning buzzer and light (at 55 psi), then on older models we continue to pump the air down until the pp2 valve pops up. Being the coach is stationary, that is a sure way to see if the parking brake has activated. I will take one exception to your post. There was no need to resort to name calling. That merely suggests an inability to convey ones ideas in acceptable language. Once again, I thank you for the information. It is probably more in depth than I need but it is always good to gain knowledge regardless.
DaveD
R.J.(Bob) Evans - 24 Jan 2007 17:15 GMT >your post. There was no need to resort to name calling. That merely suggests >an inability to convey ones ideas in acceptable language. Once again, I >thank you for the information. It is probably more in depth than I need but >it is always good to gain knowledge regardless. It takes a man to admit he was wrong. If I called you an idjit or moron then I was clearly wrong as well.
Brakes are serious stuff & I applaud you for taking the time to read my voluminous prose. The misconception that the service brakes are somehow applied by a combination of spring and air pressure is a commonly held one. It sets me off every time I see it in print.
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Matt Colie - 24 Jan 2007 14:36 GMT This has all been amusing and a trigger of a memory that years ago as a very young man, I ended up teaching an entire drive pool about how truck air brakes actually worked.
Very early in my driving career I was warned by a mentor that, if I was to heave on the horn, I had better watch the air so as to have enough for the brakes when I needed them.
The "common knowledge" aka preconceived misconception - in the group was that air brakes on trucks worked like air brakes on trains. This came to light when a truck had brake problems and the driver diagnosed the problem backwards.
Matt
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Steve Barker - 24 Jan 2007 16:56 GMT It doesn't even work that way exactly on a train. That's another whole new box of worm there.
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> The "common knowledge" aka preconceived misconception - in the group was > that air brakes on trucks worked like air brakes on trains. This came to [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Matt > -- Tom J - 24 Jan 2007 19:25 GMT > I have a 1980 GMC 36' transit bus converted, my problem > is [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > but it seems like it might need some adjusting?? any help would be > appreciated.. http://www.state.sd.us/dps/dl/Online_Manuals/2005%20CDL%20MANUAL%20.pdf
This is South Dakota's CDL Manual and SECTION 5 covers air brakes. It covers all types of air brakes, so the part referring to trailers would not apply to buses and motorhomes UNLESS you tow something that also has air brakes as some of the service vendors use.
All states have the same format in their manuals, so if you get a copy from your state it says the same thing this does. You need Adobe Reader to view it.
Tom J
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