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1980 GMC transit bus conversion...... Help my parking brake wont disengage!

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bloodonthefloor@gmail.com - 21 Jan 2007 02:24 GMT
I have a 1980 GMC 36' transit bus converted, my problem is
that when i disengage the parking brake it is stuck on.  I have managed
to disengage it a few times by turning it on/off a few times, but it
seems like it might need some adjusting?? any help would be
appreciated..
Tom  J - 21 Jan 2007 03:18 GMT
>            I have a 1980 GMC 36' transit bus converted, my problem
> is
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> but it seems like it might need some adjusting?? any help would be
> appreciated..

Seems to me like you rarely drive the bus and the rust sets up and
keeps the band from seperating from the drum. If this is the cause,
park where you don't have to leave the parking brake on except for
short stops.  This is worse if you are in an area where the roads are
treated to remove ice & snow.

Tom J
R.J.(Bob) Evans - 21 Jan 2007 04:32 GMT
>            I have a 1980 GMC 36' transit bus converted, my problem is
>that when i disengage the parking brake it is stuck on.  I have managed
>to disengage it a few times by turning it on/off a few times, but it
>seems like it might need some adjusting?? any help would be
>appreciated..

You should post that question here:
http://www.busconversions.com/bbs/index.php?board=1.0

And we'll need some more information - is this an air brake system?  

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Dave and Trudy - 21 Jan 2007 07:42 GMT
>            I have a 1980 GMC 36' transit bus converted, my problem is
> that when i disengage the parking brake it is stuck on.  I have managed
> to disengage it a few times by turning it on/off a few times, but it
> seems like it might need some adjusting?? any help would be
> appreciated..

Just some more info needed. Are the brakes (including the parking brake) air
operated or hydraulics?

DaveD
bloodonthefloor@gmail.com - 21 Jan 2007 08:58 GMT
> >            I have a 1980 GMC 36' transit bus converted, my problem is
> > that when i disengage the parking brake it is stuck on.  I have managed
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
> DaveD

The brakes are air operated.  Thanks for the quick replys I really
appreciate it!
As of now the parking brake is stuck and my bus is stuck, not in a bad
place and I can
still work on it, but still i would like to drive it around! :))

I tried to disengage the brake when the bus was off and the PSI was at
0... When I started the bus, the pressure builds and somewhere around
40 PSi the valve knob, (press to release the brake, pull to turn it on)
automatically popped up... meaning the brake was engaged.
I found this pretty annoying as if the brakes have no PSI i thought i
could turn it off, turn off the brake and start the bus using the
normal
air brakes so i could move the bus... :///

I will keep trying until this is resolved!  Also i found a small copper
tube with something next to the brake?  im not sure if this has
naything to do with
the brake....  seems to have a screw end on it..

any info is appreciated! thanks! :)
bloodonthefloor@gmail.com - 21 Jan 2007 10:27 GMT
> > >            I have a 1980 GMC 36' transit bus converted, my problem is
> > > that when i disengage the parking brake it is stuck on.  I have managed
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>
> any info is appreciated! thanks! :)

Update:

following info fixed my problem, also i know what kind of brakes i have
now, gotta give us newbs slack :))

here was the fix:

f they have three, then you've got DD3s, which release differently than
spring brakes.

1. Build the air pressure up to the governor cut-out (about 120 psi).

2. Release the parking brake by pushing the button in.

3. Apply a full service brake application, and hold for 5 seconds.

4. Release service brakes, and see if the brakes are free.

If so, problem solved.

If not, besides what the others mentioned, if you've got DD3s, then the
rollers may be "rusted" stuck inside the brake cans.  Translation: time
to pull the cans and rebuild them, or exchange for rebuilts.

thanks!
R.J.(Bob) Evans - 21 Jan 2007 15:37 GMT
>following info fixed my problem, also i know what kind of brakes i have
>now, gotta give us newbs slack :))

No - where brakes are concerned we don't have to give you any slack.
And there's a pun there that you are no doubt too bloody stupid to
understand.

Fortunately in my jurisdiction we need to demonstrate at least a
modicum of knowledge about air brake systems before being allowed to
operate a vehicle with them.  Apparently that is not the case wherever
you live.  For your own sake, for the sake of your family and for the
sake of everyone else who shares the road with you, get your stupid
a.s to a truck training centre and spend at a minimum a day learning
about air brakes.  If you don't you will kill someone.

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Tom  J - 21 Jan 2007 16:11 GMT
> Fortunately in my jurisdiction we need to demonstrate at least a
> modicum of knowledge about air brake systems before being allowed to
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> a.s to a truck training centre and spend at a minimum a day learning
> about air brakes.  If you don't you will kill someone.

In the US every state has a CDL driver's manual that covers air brake
operation. I suggest he get a CDL driver's license manual and learn
about air brakes.

Many states don't seem to worry about air brakes unless a CDL license
is required and motorhomes don't require a CDL.

Tom J
R.J.(Bob) Evans - 21 Jan 2007 18:22 GMT
>In the US every state has a CDL driver's manual that covers air brake
>operation. I suggest he get a CDL driver's license manual and learn
>about air brakes.
>
>Many states don't seem to worry about air brakes unless a CDL license
>is required and motorhomes don't require a CDL.

The rules up here in the frozen north are equally ambiguous in some
provinces.  That doesn't make them right nor does it make it safe for
idiots to operate air brake equippped vehicles weighing in excess of
14 tons without understanding how their brake system works.  

This is a pet peeve of mine - there are enough "experienced" truck
drivers who don't understand air brakes without adding RV drivers to
the total.

Your advice about the CDL manual is good advice - the OP should do
something to educate himself.  My guess is he won't.

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tkranz - 22 Jan 2007 01:40 GMT
Seems to me the OP was trying to educate himself here.  He's less likely to
continue to do so after belligerent posts like yours.

Sheeesh!!!
Plunk

> >In the US every state has a CDL driver's manual that covers air brake
> >operation. I suggest he get a CDL driver's license manual and learn
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> R.J.(Bob) Evans
> (return address needs alteration to work)
bloodonthefloor@gmail.com - 23 Jan 2007 00:15 GMT
First off, to clear things up, i had to get this bus on my land, and
out of the backyard where It was sitting so i drove it, and no one
died, oh yes we were driving in 6 lane PDX traffic and it was no
problem..

as for calling me a stupid a.s?  what is the point?  I said i was new
to brakes, and was asking for information which would lead
me to know MORE about them..  Learning something new needs to start
somewhere, im sorry if i asked a question in your
beloved forum where you feel so elite that you must haggle newcomers.
OBVIOUSLY a air system is different than
my minivans system, and it will take time to learn all the in's, out's,
goods and bads..   Unfortunatly I dont have the manual
to even read the most basic things, hence why i am here on the internet
to find out the BASICS.

A day after obtaining the bus I ordered the operating manual, the
engine manual, the transmission manual, and the maintenece manual,
which i have not recieved yet.  If you think your negative attitude
towards people who just want to learn is doing any good, i can
assure you it just passes bad vibes.  You have harsh mannerisms and
this seems to stem from your frustration..  Let me teach you
something old wise one.. YOu need to teach the youth, not scold them
into form.  The youth are your future, and the youth carry on
your legacy, and also take care of you..  From your attittude I feel
you have some problems with youth...

let me give you an example of how you could of told me, "no we dont
need to give you a break" incase you missed my point.
Telling me im a stupid a.s and im going to kill someone makes me forget
the point, making me think to myself, "god what
an a.shole"..  well you failed at your point across, unless the point
was to let me know how much of a jerk you protray yourself to be.

If you want to teach people in the future about something important,
dont call them stupid, tell them your concerns, and make
them know how important they are with less harsh mannerisms..

maybe you havent heard, but you catch more flies with honey than
vinegar?

loosen up, no one is going to want to talk with you, when you treat
people like you did...  pathetic.

To everyone else, thank you for the kind replies, also I do have CDL
classes scheduled for next month.  Aswell as
taking some diesel engine classes at a community college... Hopefully
my professor isnt as much as an a.s
as R.J...

Love and peace

> >following info fixed my problem, also i know what kind of brakes i have
> >now, gotta give us newbs slack :))
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> a.s to a truck training centre and spend at a minimum a day learning
> about air brakes.  If you don't you will kill someone.
R.J.(Bob) Evans - 23 Jan 2007 04:26 GMT
Snipped a major rant about how I hurted this nameless wonder's
feelings

>To everyone else, thank you for the kind replies, also I do have CDL
>classes scheduled for next month.  Aswell as
>taking some diesel engine classes at a community college... Hopefully
>my professor isnt as much as an a.s
>as R.J...

Sounds like - contrary to what you claimed - you actually did get my
point.  Just stay off the road until you know what you are doing.

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Rudy - 23 Jan 2007 16:20 GMT
>   First off, to clear things up, i had to get this bus on my land, and
> out of the backyard where It was sitting so i drove it, and no one
> died, oh yes we were driving in 6 lane PDX traffic and it was no
> problem..
>
> Love and peace

Bobs delightful commentary flushed down the toilet

Have some compassion for Bob and consider his upbringing, roaming in the
bitter cold with buffalo's in northern Saskatchewan has frozen his neurons
and not everything is functioning properly. You know it is not a picnic to
be the official tourist guide by day and junkyard dog by night. Besides Bob
wants to go fulltime and needs to make some friends so he can stay with
them, would you happen to have some space to accommodate him so we can
expedite his departure from Canada?   Rudy
Dave and Trudy - 22 Jan 2007 08:24 GMT
> Update:
>
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>
> thanks!
Here is my spin on this. The parking brake will applied automatically when
the air pressure drops below about 20psi. It varies a bit with each vehicle
but around 20psi. The air brakes work in reverse of what many people think.
The air pressure does not apply the brakes, rather the air pressure forces
the shoes away from the drums and holds them there. When the pedal is
depressed the pressure is lowered and the brakes are applied... A good thing
to do each time you get ready to drive the vehicle (first time in a day) is
to pump the air down to around 80psi (at this point the governor should
allow the air to start to build up), if it does continue pumping the air
down until your alarm light/buzzer comes on (should be at 55 psi). Then let
the pressure build up and the governor should cut off the air compressor at
130psi. You can hear the coach "sneeze" and the needle will quit moving. A
word of caution. When you stop and apply the parking brake by pulling the
pp2 valve up be sure your service brake pedal is only depressed just enough
to hold the coach. If you have the service brake pedal all the way down, you
may not be able to get the "S" cams to move to release the service brakes.
To ensure that your brakes have released, put the coach in gear before
releasing the brakes and it should creep forward when you release the
brakes. I agree the surest way to release the brakes is to push the service
brake pedal down as far as you can, then release it. Another caution. The
pp2 valve handle fits down over a metal shaft and the two are joined by a
transverse roll pin. The roll pins have the disquieting habit of coming out
of the assembly. Result - when you push the pp2 valve handle down, the
plastic handle (which is hollow) simply slides down over the metal shaft (no
roll pin remember) and the parking brake will not release because you have
not in fact pushed the valve open. Just some info to help, I hope. BTW you
can check the operation of the pp2 at low air pressure by releasing the
parking brake then pumping the pressure down until the pp2 handle pops up,
usually about 20 psi. Hope this helps.

DaveD
Frank Tabor - 22 Jan 2007 17:51 GMT
>> Update:
>>
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>
> DaveD

You'd better go back to school.  You are wrong.  

Spring brakes are held in the the release position by a minimum of 60
psi.  Any lower and the button pops out and the pressure is released and
the brakes apply.  BTW, this pressure is a standard set by the Federal DOT.

Service brakes operate off a separate diaphragm and are applied by putting
varying amounts of pressure on a different diaphragm than the parking
brake.

I'm a truck driver and I know of what I speak.  

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Dave and Trudy - 23 Jan 2007 07:55 GMT
> You'd better go back to school.  You are wrong.
>
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>
> I'm a truck driver and I know of what I speak.

Which box did you get your license out of?  Ceral or Cracker Jax. What you
say may be applicable for trucks but not for motor coaches. And we are
speaking of  motor coaches that is what a metro bus or coach is. But I
should have expected such horsecrap from you. I have observed your many
posts in which you have to attack everyone just to bolster your own
overinflated ego. BTW I am a bust driver and I know of what I speak.
DaveD
GBinNC - 23 Jan 2007 12:48 GMT
>> I'm a truck driver and I know of what I speak.
>>
>> Frank Tabor

>I am a bust driver and I know of what I speak.

LOL. (Make up your own joke here.)

GB in NC
Frank Tabor - 23 Jan 2007 14:24 GMT
>> You'd better go back to school.  You are wrong.
>>
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
> overinflated ego. BTW I am a bust driver and I know of what I speak.
> DaveD

What rinky dink outfit do you drive for?  I want to make sure to never be
where you are.  You don't know sh.t about air brakes and you're going to
kill somebody giving them erroneous advice.  Show me a reference that
tells how you think air brakes work, and I'll show you 100 that say you
are wrong.

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Frank Tabor - 23 Jan 2007 14:38 GMT
>> You'd better go back to school.  You are wrong.
>>
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
> overinflated ego. BTW I am a bust driver and I know of what I speak.
> DaveD

Here are four references that say you are wrong.  All say that air
pressure is applied to the service brakes to apply braking power.  All say
that the low pressure warning is 60 psi.  Some buses may be higher at 80
psi.  

None say the brakes apply at less than 20 psi.  None say that air pressure
is removed to apply service braking.  

I await your apology, though I won't hold my breath.  My money is that you
will slink off into the nether without relying because you know you are
wrong, and I have proved it.

http://www.e-z.net/~ts/ts/brakpg.htm
http://www.dot.state.ia.us/mvd/ods/cdl/section5.pdf
http://www.dmv.ca.gov/pubs/cdl_htm/sec5_a.htm
http://209.85.165.104/search?q=cache:iHDdCTW3upcJ:www.nydmv.state.ny.us/broch/cd
l/cdl10sec05.pdf+air+brakes&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=16


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Was lustful, but tactful withal.
    He'd say, just for luck,
    "Mam'selle, do you f.ck?"
But he'd bow till he almost would crawl.

Tom  J - 23 Jan 2007 15:05 GMT
> Here are four references that say you are wrong.  All say that air
> pressure is applied to the service brakes to apply braking power.
> All say that the low pressure warning is 60 psi.  Some buses may be
> higher at 80 psi.

But the original question was about locked up PARKING brakes, not
SERVICE brakes. Both apply brakes to the same shoes/drums/disk but in
2 different ways. Parking brakes on every air brake vehicle I ever
drove came on when the air was released, including trailers.

Tom J
Frank Tabor - 23 Jan 2007 15:40 GMT
>> Here are four references that say you are wrong.  All say that air
>> pressure is applied to the service brakes to apply braking power.
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>
> Tom J

That's exactly what I said.  The poster I was answering contends that the
parking brakes come on when the pressure drops below 20 psi, and that is
not correct.  60 psi is the set point that service brakes will come on
automatically.  60 psi is the minimum operating pressure for air service
brakes.

Also he said that service brakes operated by the amount of air removed
from the diaphragm and that isn't true either.  The Service brakes are
applied by applying air pressure.

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R.J.(Bob) Evans - 23 Jan 2007 21:31 GMT
>> Here are four references that say you are wrong.  All say that air
>> pressure is applied to the service brakes to apply braking power.
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>2 different ways. Parking brakes on every air brake vehicle I ever
>drove came on when the air was released, including trailers.

Read my reply to the BUST driver to see why this happens.  And if you
pull a pre-1983 trailer without maxis the brakes will come off when
the trailer loses air.  

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Dave and Trudy - 23 Jan 2007 19:40 GMT
>> Here are four references that say you are wrong.  All say that air
> pressure is applied to the service brakes to apply braking power.  All say
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
> http://www.dmv.ca.gov/pubs/cdl_htm/sec5_a.htm
> http://209.85.165.104/search?q=cache:iHDdCTW3upcJ:www.nydmv.state.ny.us/broch/cd
l/cdl10sec05.pdf+air+brakes&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=16

Frank,
I did not say that the service brakes were applied by removing air pressure.
We were dealing with the parking brakes which are applied by removing air
pressure. If my original post gave you the impression to the contrary, for
that I apologise. As regards the remainder of your rant, what I was
describing was a series of actions that we use before each trip to check the
braking system. In that, we release the parking brakes, pump the air
pressure down to around 85 psi, then check that pressure is building up,
then continue pumping down until 55 psi where the warning light and buzzer
comes on, then continue pumping down (at least on the MCI A models) until
the pp2 valve pops up (usually down around 20 psi). Once again, we were
dealing with parking brakes and how that system works plus a series of tests
that the op could do (before he got on the road) to check both the parking
brakes and the service brakes. I did NOT intend to give the impression that
the service brakes were applied by removing air pressure and I believe I
stated that the warning light and buzzer would come on at 55 psi. Of course,
I am not a truck driver, therefore I admit that I am not perfect and can
make mistakes and give explanations that are not letter perfect.

DaveD
R.J.(Bob) Evans - 23 Jan 2007 21:35 GMT
>I did not say that the service brakes were applied by removing air pressure.

Yes - you absolutely did say that.  You may have since figured out
that you were dead wrong when you posted that but that is exactly what
you posted.  

I'll refresh your memory - here's your quote verbatim: "The air brakes
work in reverse of what many people think.  The air pressure does not
apply the brakes, rather the air pressure forces the shoes away from
the drums and holds them there. When the pedal is depressed the
pressure is lowered and the brakes are applied.."

If you now figured out that you were wrong then that is a good thing
because you definitely were wrong.

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Steve Barker - 24 Jan 2007 16:53 GMT
Dave,  Yes, you did.  Here is a copy and paste from your reply a few days
ago:

:::::: When the pedal is
depressed the pressure is lowered and the brakes are applied... ::::::::

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>> Frank,
> I did not say that the service brakes were applied by removing air
> pressure.
>>
> DaveD
Dave and Trudy - 24 Jan 2007 22:17 GMT
> Dave,  Yes, you did.  Here is a copy and paste from your reply a few days
> ago:
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>>>
>> DaveD

Oops, that is just backwards to what I intended. My brain was ahead of my
fingers. I meant to say that as the brakes are applied the pressure is
lowered. That is how we pump down the air pressure to run the bake checks
before leaving the yard. This applies to the service brakes I might add.
DaveD
Steve Barker - 23 Jan 2007 15:14 GMT
Bust driver?   Count me in!

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BTW I am a bust driver and I know of what I speak.
> DaveD
Rudy - 23 Jan 2007 16:07 GMT
>> You'd better go back to school.  You are wrong.
>>
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
> overinflated ego. BTW I am a bust driver and I know of what I speak.
> DaveD

Frank is the one that gave the correct information, and no busses and motor
homes use exactly the same system, the only difference would be in the type
of shoes, or what was used in earlier systems of air over hydraulic. However
in both systems lack of air will activate the spring brake and the air will
be required to apply the service brake, and both systems require min 60 psi
before the springs are sufficiently compressed to release parking brake.
Rudy
R.J.(Bob) Evans - 23 Jan 2007 21:29 GMT
>Which box did you get your license out of?  Ceral or Cracker Jax. What you
>say may be applicable for trucks but not for motor coaches. And we are
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>overinflated ego. BTW I am a bust driver and I know of what I speak.
>DaveD

You definitely are a "bust" driver.  And the fallacy you believe about
air brakes is a common one but - just like liberal ideas - being
commonly held doesn't make it true.

Pay attention and learn something.  Or don't - see how much I care.

This is cut from the article I wrote for the Dec. issue of Bus
Conversions.  An article written, BTW, at the editor's request to
correct the fallacy dipshit Dave has just perpetuated.

Despite what many truckers believe, air brake systems operate in a
very similar manner to hydraulic brake systems.  If you strip away all
the complicated air circuits, relay valves, dual systems, etc. you are
left with a foot treadle that applies air pressure to the brake shoes.
When the brake shoes contact the drum heat is generated which
dissipates the energy of the moving vehicle and ultimately stops it.
Obviously it is more complicated than that, but the principle is the
same as stepping on the brake in your car which transfers pressure to
the brakes through hydraulic brake fluid.  

The reason confusion arises is because older brake systems - single
chamber systems - were exclusively air operated while newer systems -
dual chamber systems - also involve springs.  The important point to
remember is that the springs are for parking - nothing else.  When you
step on the service brake the only thing that happens is that air
pressure is applied to a piston which acts through a push rod, slack
adjuster and S-cam to apply your brakes.  

A single chamber air pot houses a diaphragm attached to a pushrod.
When air pressure is applied to the pot the pushrod extends.  To apply
parking brakes with this type of brake pot it is necessary for the
system to hold air pressure indefinitely.  Obviously that doesn't
happen and that is the reason that spring brakes or dual chamber air
pots were developed.  

On a dual chamber air pot there are - surprisingly enough - two
chambers.  One chamber houses a great big spring and a diaphragm.  The
other chamber houses a diaphragm.  Either the spring or the diaphragm
or both have the ability to extend the pushrod.  On a dual chamber or
spring system when you push the brake release button you apply air to
the rear chamber on the pot.  The diaphragm in that rear chamber
compresses the spring.  At that point the spring is not extending the
push rod so the brakes are released.  When you pull the knob to apply
the brakes the whoooossssh of air you hear is the air leaving the rear
chamber, releasing the spring which extends the pushrod and applies
the brakes.  

When you step on the brake treadle in a dual chamber system you apply
air to the front chamber which also extends the push rod and applies
the brakes.  The term "compounding the brakes" refers to the situation
where a newbie driver applies the service brakes at the same time as
the parking brakes are being applied by the brake spring.  Newer
systems have anti-compounding circuitry but it still is a good idea
not to use the service brakes while the spring brakes are applied.  

The only other item worth noting in this discussion is what happens if
you lose air pressure on a spring brake system.  At some point between
80 and 60 PSI the springs will start to overcome the air pressure that
is caging them in the rear chamber and your brakes will start to drag.
Eventually the application valve will pop which will fully apply the
spring brakes.  

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Dave and Trudy - 24 Jan 2007 07:11 GMT
>>Which box did you get your license out of?  Ceral or Cracker Jax. What you
>>say may be applicable for trucks but not for motor coaches. And we are
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> Eventually the application valve will pop which will fully apply the
> spring brakes.

I admit that I have learned something from that article about the working of
the service brakes. I thank you for that. I would point out that I was
refering to the parking brakes as per the op's original question. I probably
muddied the waters trying to explain the series of tests (checks) that I run
each time prior to taking a coach out on the road. In that I stated that the
air pressure is pumped down to check governor operation, warning buzzer and
light (at 55 psi), then on older models we continue to pump the air down
until the pp2 valve pops up. Being the coach is stationary, that is a sure
way to see if the parking brake has activated.  I will take one exception to
your post. There was no need to resort to name calling. That merely suggests
an inability to convey ones ideas in acceptable language. Once again, I
thank you for the information. It is probably more in depth than I need but
it is always good to gain knowledge regardless.

DaveD
R.J.(Bob) Evans - 24 Jan 2007 17:15 GMT
>your post. There was no need to resort to name calling. That merely suggests
>an inability to convey ones ideas in acceptable language. Once again, I
>thank you for the information. It is probably more in depth than I need but
>it is always good to gain knowledge regardless.

It takes a man to admit he was wrong.  If I called you an idjit or
moron then I was clearly wrong as well.

Brakes are serious stuff & I applaud you for taking the time to read
my voluminous prose.  The misconception that the service brakes are
somehow applied by a combination of spring and air pressure is a
commonly held one.  It sets me off every time I see it in print.

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Matt Colie - 24 Jan 2007 14:36 GMT
This has all been amusing and a trigger of a memory that years ago as a
very young man, I ended up teaching an entire drive pool about how truck
air brakes actually worked.

Very early in my driving career I was warned by a mentor that, if I was
to heave on the horn, I had better watch the air so as to have enough
for the brakes when I needed them.

The "common knowledge" aka preconceived misconception - in the group was
that air brakes on trucks worked like air brakes on trains.  This came
to light when a truck had brake problems and the driver diagnosed the
problem backwards.

Matt
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Steve Barker - 24 Jan 2007 16:56 GMT
It doesn't even work that way exactly on a train.  That's another whole new
box of worm there.

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> The "common knowledge" aka preconceived misconception - in the group was
> that air brakes on trucks worked like air brakes on trains.  This came to
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Tom  J - 24 Jan 2007 19:25 GMT
>            I have a 1980 GMC 36' transit bus converted, my problem
> is
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> but it seems like it might need some adjusting?? any help would be
> appreciated..

http://www.state.sd.us/dps/dl/Online_Manuals/2005%20CDL%20MANUAL%20.pdf

This is South Dakota's CDL Manual and SECTION 5 covers air brakes. It
covers all types of air brakes, so the part referring to trailers
would not apply to buses and motorhomes UNLESS you tow something that
also has air brakes as some of the service vendors use.

All states have the same format in their manuals, so if you get a copy
from your state it says the same thing this does. You need Adobe
Reader to view it.

Tom J
 
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