> THINKING ABOUT A 2005 2500 HD W/ 6.6 AND 34-36 FOOT FIFTH WHEEL
> TRAILER. WHAT ARE THEY TALKING ABOUT ON THE SHORT WHEELBASE AND FIFTH
> WHEEL HOOKUPS. ARE THERE IN SUGGESTIONS ON A BUNK HOUSE SETUP FOR A
> FAMILY OF FOUR (8 AND 2 YEAR OLD GIRLS)
Consider turning off your caps lock.
allmuxedup@gmail.com - 03 Feb 2007 14:49 GMT
> > THINKING ABOUT A 2005 2500 HD W/ 6.6 AND 34-36 FOOT FIFTH WHEEL
> > TRAILER. WHAT ARE THEY TALKING ABOUT ON THE SHORT WHEELBASE AND FIFTH
> > WHEEL HOOKUPS. ARE THERE IN SUGGESTIONS ON A BUNK HOUSE SETUP FOR A
> > FAMILY OF FOUR (8 AND 2 YEAR OLD GIRLS)
>
> Consider turning off your caps lock.
I agree! I don't even read messages that are in all caps. It's just
too hard to read... all kinda runs together.
evelyn
> THINKING ABOUT A 2005 2500 HD W/ 6.6 AND 34-36 FOOT FIFTH WHEEL
> TRAILER. WHAT ARE THEY TALKING ABOUT ON THE SHORT WHEELBASE AND FIFTH
> WHEEL HOOKUPS. ARE THERE IN SUGGESTIONS ON A BUNK HOUSE SETUP FOR A
> FAMILY OF FOUR (8 AND 2 YEAR OLD GIRLS)
1. Please don't "shout" - use all capital letters - it's considered to be
quite rude.
2. The "talk" is about Short-Bed - not Short Wheelbase - vs. Long-Bed trucks
A. Many 5ers lack the extended pin box.
B. Without an extended pin box, the nose of a 5er can bash in the back
of the cab
of a short-bed [6' or less] truck that has a fixed-location hitch.
C. Air-suspension hitches are all fixed-location hitches.
D. Sliding hitches *are* available [PullRite makes the best one] that
permit 5er
towing without the risk of cab/5er contact.
E. Sliding hitches are heavy and cumbersome to remove.
3. Some 5er "Bunk House" floorplans exist, mainly in entry-level units.
4. Most 5er "Bunk House" trailers are in the 30'-34' range rather than the
34'-36' range.
5. The Short Wheelbase v. Long Wheelbase issue is predominately one of ride
quality vs. maneuverability.
>THINKING ABOUT A 2005 2500 HD W/ 6.6 AND 34-36 FOOT FIFTH WHEEL
>TRAILER. WHAT ARE THEY TALKING ABOUT ON THE SHORT WHEELBASE AND FIFTH
>WHEEL HOOKUPS. ARE THERE IN SUGGESTIONS ON A BUNK HOUSE SETUP FOR A
>FAMILY OF FOUR (8 AND 2 YEAR OLD GIRLS)
Hi,
First thing you want to do is get the weights of the RV's you are
looking at. The hitch weight, empty weight and GVWR are all important
to know. A 34-36 foot 5th wheel may have a hitch weight that is over
the carrying capacity of your truck. Towing capacity is only one thing
you have to consider. The hitch weight is going to be around 20% of the
loaded weight of your truck. So if the 5th wheels weighs 15,000 lbs
FULLY loaded, then it's going to have a hitch weight of around 3000 lbs.
Can your truck fully loaded with your family, full load of fuel, 5th
wheel hitch and anything else you put in the truck carry that additional
3000 lbs. and not go over the GVWR of the truck or its carrying
capacity? Heavy 5th wheels are better suited to 3500 series trucks with
dual rear wheels since they have more carrying capacity then 2500.
Once you figure out how much weight your truck can handle then go
looking for trailers to pull. There are bunk house set ups in 5th
wheels. Only you can decide if you like them or not. We had one in a
TT and the kids loved it since they had their own private bunks. Look
at the web sites for the manufacturers you are thinking about to get an
idea of the floor plans and EMPTY weights and hitch weights of the
different 5th wheels. Then find a dealer and go look at them, or check
around and see if there is an RV show and check them out there.
Short wheel base on a full size truck? Maybe you mean short box vs.
long box. With a short box on a truck towing a 5th wheel you have to be
careful when making sharp turns that the 5th wheel doesn't hit the
pickup body because the 5th wheel hitch is going to be closer to the
back of the pickup trucks passenger compartment. You can get around
that by being really careful when backing or turning or by installing a
sliding 5th wheel hitch. With a long box pickup you don't have to worry
about that because the hitch is further away from the trucks passenger
compartment.
One other thing. Typing in all caps is considered shouting on the
internet. You don't have to shout :)
Hope this helps some. Take care and Happy Campin...

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lappy - 31 Jan 2007 16:16 GMT
> >THINKING ABOUT A 2005 2500 HD W/ 6.6 AND 34-36 FOOT FIFTH WHEEL
> >TRAILER. WHAT ARE THEY TALKING ABOUT ON THE SHORT WHEELBASE AND FIFTH
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> RichA
> "We Get Too Soon Olde and Too Late Smart"
Thanks for your response and sorry for the shouting.
> THINKING ABOUT A 2005 2500 HD W/ 6.6 AND 34-36 FOOT FIFTH WHEEL
> TRAILER. WHAT ARE THEY TALKING ABOUT ON THE SHORT WHEELBASE AND FIFTH
> WHEEL HOOKUPS. ARE THERE IN SUGGESTIONS ON A BUNK HOUSE SETUP FOR A
> FAMILY OF FOUR (8 AND 2 YEAR OLD GIRLS)
Reconsider the length of the 5th wheel. 29 - 30 feet is a good length
for towing an parking. A 30 foot with a single slide is pretty roomy.
Figure you have about 4-6 feet over the rear of your truck and you're
only really pulling maybe 24 feet of trailer. Longer than that is a pain
all around. A fifth wheel is easier to tow, and has better weight
distribution etc. It is considered safer because some states allow
passengers in a 5th wheel trailer ( I wouldn't do it). Less sway in
wind, etc.
A short bed truck is easier to park and maneuver ( I have a quad cab).
With a short bed truck you need a a slider hitch to be sure you don't
maneuver and get the corner of your 5th wheel into your back window.
With a travel trailer it won't make any difference.
A 2500 HD diesel will pull anything a 3500 will, but you will be a
couple springs less in the rear suspension. You can beef that up for a
couple hundred bucks.
BTW, I used to have a 16 foot Komfort Lite with a bunkhouse setup.
RAM³ - 29 Jan 2007 17:54 GMT
> A 2500 HD diesel will pull anything a 3500 will
Oh, really??
My trailer's pin weight would cause a 2500's GVWR to be exceeded but my 3500
handles it with plenty of room to spare. <g>
Or were you making reference to the "garden tractor" posts??? <G>
BTW, Doolies are fun to drive! <VBG>
On Jan 28, 6:55 pm, jvining...@bellsouth.net wrote:
> THINKING ABOUT A 2005 2500 HD W/ 6.6 AND 34-36 FOOT FIFTH WHEEL
> TRAILER. WHAT ARE THEY TALKING ABOUT ON THE SHORT WHEELBASE AND FIFTH
> WHEEL HOOKUPS. ARE THERE IN SUGGESTIONS ON A BUNK HOUSE SETUP FOR A
> FAMILY OF FOUR (8 AND 2 YEAR OLD GIRLS)
don't sweat the small stuff, people make more of caps than really need
to and it's not rude....... it's in the mind of the beholder...
As for 5th wheels the short bed truck does limit you for a small 5th
wheel....long bed truck more room for the longer 5th wheel which
usually has a larger bed room in the nose which is over the truck
bed .....bunk houses are usually on the left size with the bath room
on the right, parents sleeping in living room....now here is the best
r.v. advice I can give you, is the one we got when went looking, buy
used when ever possible, so you don't take the hit.....plus if you
don't like it,you aren't stuck with a big bill you hate, versus a
small one...easier to get rid of.....look, really look ,we found used
rv. lots for up 150 miles from the house packed a lunch made a day of
it and looked all day long...we found all three of our rigs by
accident at place we had passed up before....make friends with certain
sales people to keep an eye out for trade ins coming in......they know
your want list and they will call......certain lots will carry older
units, others toy boxes ,etc. check them all out .....they will work
with you.....and when you get your rig keep looking never know when
you'll run into that great deal to more up in goodies! finally we had
this little 5th wheel that we used to go everywhere with....every
other week end...one butt kitchen...traded in on a 34ft with all the
goodies went went out less....so even though you need room for the
kids don't push yourself out of having fun by buying to big where you
hate to drive......it's supposed to be fun for you!
GBinNC - 02 Feb 2007 08:21 GMT
>people make more of caps than really need
>to and it's not rude....... it's in the mind of the beholder...
Rudeness completely aside, it's a whole lot harder to read. Which is why
virtually nothing you see published -- books, magazines, newspapers,
manuals, etc. -- is printed in all caps, except for an occasional
"Caution" statement or whatever. (Even then, bold would be better.)
I almost never bother to read anything I see here in all caps -- and
I'll bet I'm not the only one. Anybody who's too lazy to use a shift key
can't have much to say that I care to read.
GB in NC
JerryD(upstateNY) - 02 Feb 2007 14:04 GMT
GB in NC wrote........
> I almost never bother to read anything I see here in all caps -- and I'll
> bet I'm not the only one. Anybody who's too lazy to use a shift key can't
> have much to say that I care to read.<<<<<<<<<
I feel the same way.
Something written in all caps is too hard to read and I will skip over it.

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Jon Griffin - 02 Feb 2007 14:27 GMT
>I almost never bother to read anything I see here in all caps -- and
>I'll bet I'm not the only one. Anybody who's too lazy to use a shift key
>can't have much to say that I care to read.
>
>GB in NC
And that goes for all lower case also. There is a reason we've
developed punctuation over the years. This medium is hard enough
since we don't hear the voice inflections or see the mannerisms. But
to also leave out some attempt at proper grammar and punctuation makes
the message too hard to read.
note: I am a terrible speller and my punctuation leaves a lot to be
desired but at least I try.
Jon

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Dean - 02 Feb 2007 22:47 GMT
>>I almost never bother to read anything I see here in all caps -- and
>>I'll bet I'm not the only one. Anybody who's too lazy to use a shift key
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>
>Jon
I frequent an RV forum and have mentioned grammar, spelling and caps,
etc a few times, only to get shouted down by illiterates who seem
proud of their lack of achievement. The group also boasts a couple of
retards that never cap the first word and don't use punctuation. Try
reading those! Then they wonder why people question the post.
unk
Jim Redelfs - 03 Feb 2007 00:16 GMT
> I frequent an RV forum and have mentioned grammar, spelling and caps,
> etc a few times, only to get shouted down by illiterates who seem
> proud of their lack of achievement.
Like I said in my earlier article, I try to keep quiet about grammar, usage
and style. Heck, I darn near didn't graduate high school because of a
personality clash between my English teacher and myself.
The OP (original poster/other person) posted in ALL CAPS due to unfamiliarity
with basic conventions. I kept my "mouth" shut (a feat in itself<g>) and the
couple others that mentioned it did just that: They mentioned it out of
courtesy and caring for the "offending" person. Then, that "offending" person
posted a nicely worded apology (hardly warranted) and life goes on. Then
comes the dweeb with NO upper-case letters at all telling us that it's OK to
"do as you please". Grrrrrrr...
This is Use(less)net<tm>, so there isn't much one can do about something
bothersome except "change the channel". It is for this very reason (anarchy)
that I PREFER usenet. Anyone that has tried to participate in a MODERATED
forum whose Moderator is an @$$hole will understand.
> The group also boasts a couple of
> retards that never cap the first word and don't use punctuation. Try
> reading those! Then they wonder why people question the post.
It HAS to be easy to spot those articles that took time to compose and those
than were banged-out and posted in a minimal amount of time (and caring).
I post because I want my words read. Why else do it? I am no Clarence Darrow
or Will Rogers but, obviously, I hope that what I say is worth reading. To
that end, I (try to) carefully read and spell check what I've written prior to
clicking the "post" button in my newsreader.
I hope the OP (all CAPS person) doesn't get too freaked-out by the flames and
fallout begat by their innocent article. We're a great bunch with a LOT of
RVing experience.
Anyway, this is a GREAT way to relax and warm-up after a spending a day
outdoors in the sub-zero temps fixing phone lines.
Thenk-kew!

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Climb poles and dig holes
Have staplegun, will travel
Will Sill - 03 Feb 2007 13:20 GMT
I see where Jim Redelfs <jim.redelfs@NOSPAMredelfs.com> commented in
part:
>Like I said in my earlier article, I try to keep quiet about grammar, usage
>and style.
Good post. One aspect you neglected to mention: it's more or less
inevitable that SOME self-appointed pedant/nanny will pounce on any
real or imagined affront to Proper Style. Those of us looking for
content generally agree with you.
Will Sill
The Curmudgeon of Sill Hill
Steve Barker - 02 Feb 2007 15:16 GMT
I skip the all cap messages also. I don't really consider it rude, just
ignorant.

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>>people make more of caps than really need
>>to and it's not rude....... it's in the mind of the beholder...
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>
> GB in NC
Owen McKenzie - 03 Feb 2007 02:34 GMT
> I skip the all cap messages also. I don't really consider it rude,
> just ignorant.
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>>
>> GB in NC
I have a friend who sends emails in all caps. I told them it was like
shouting and please not to do it.
They responded "I LIKE TO SHOUT". I don't get their emails anymore.

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Dean - 02 Feb 2007 22:41 GMT
>>people make more of caps than really need
>>to and it's not rude....... it's in the mind of the beholder...
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>
>GB in NC
Agree, It is considereed by the vast majority of internet users to be
rude. I also pass over the post unless I spot something I feel
worthy.
Unk
Jim Redelfs - 02 Feb 2007 13:12 GMT
I try hard to resist the urge to comment on one's writing style, I really do.
I am usually successful. This time, I wasn't. <sigh>
>> THINKING ABOUT A 2005 2500 HD W/ 6.6 AND 34-36 FOOT FIFTH WHEEL
> people make more of caps than really need to
Of course you would say that: Your keyboard apparently doesn't have a [shift]
key AT ALL given there wasn't a SINGLE uppercase letter in what you wrote.
Your contribution, while informative and almost worthwhile, doesn't have a
real, official sentence in the entire article.
> and it's not rude....... it's in the mind of the beholder...
Have you ever heard the old saying, "When in Rome, do what the Romans do."?
Posting in all caps IS rude and not only in the mind of the beholder. It is
an established convention that's almost as old as the internet. First-timers
(newbies) are, as in this case, easily forgiven. The offender even apologized
in a prompt follow-up - with their CAPS LOCK key released.
All one has to do prior to posting their first article in a particular
newsgroup is READ a few articles BEFORE posting theirs. Reading a FAQ or two
on usenet "netiquette" might be useful as well. Posting in all uppercase
characters, CONSIDERED SHOUTING IN MOST PLACES, is probably in the "top three"
of things to avoid.
Your absolution in this case is invalid simply because you are not qualified
to give it, based simply on YOUR writing/posting style.

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Dean Van Praotl - 02 Feb 2007 19:31 GMT
lol (quietly snickering)
As opposed to LOL, which I'm not.....
Jim Redelfs <jim.redelfs@NOSPAMredelfs.com> apparently said:
>Your absolution in this case is invalid simply because you are not qualified
>to give it, based simply on YOUR writing/posting style.
Ken - 05 Feb 2007 21:36 GMT
>On Jan 28, 6:55 pm, jvining...@bellsouth.net wrote:
>> THINKING ABOUT A 2005 2500 HD W/ 6.6 AND 34-36 FOOT FIFTH WHEEL
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>As for 5th wheels the short bed truck does limit you for a small 5th
>wheel....long bed truck more room for the longer 5th wheel
My truck is 2005 Silverado 2500HD (sound familiar?) with a short bed
and it is perfectly happy pulling a 39 foot fiver, not exactly short.
The length of the bed has nothing whatever to do with how much trailer
is following the pin; it has everything to do with how tight you can
turn regardless of the length.
Some fivers are shaped in the front to permit tighter turns with a
short bed truck. Using a slider hitch makes that irrelevant. I have a
Reese slider which enables me to turn sharper than 90 degrees. The
advantage of a long bed is that you can turn past 90 degrees without a
slider, which means you can't forget to slide the hitch. There are
automatic sliders.
There are plenty of fivers that have the master bedroom forward and a
bunk room aft. There are even some that have two bunk rooms aft. Each
side has a small room with upper and lower bunks and storage, in
between is a room with toilet and sink.
You would see plenty of units to your liking at an RV show. My first
visit to an RV show was a real education. If you don't live near any
show, you can easily search the internet and look at floor plans in
abundance.
If you follow the advice below about looking for used equipment, it is
far easier to look once you have an idea what you are looking for.
Posting to a news group in all caps is a bad idea. There is absolutely
no excuse to do it. Many people consider the practice rude and
offensive. When you are asking for help it is a bad idea to offend the
people you are asking. That makes sense, doesn't it?
Language rules make it easier for people to understand what you are
saying. Capitalization, punctuation, sentence structure and such are
not arbitrary rules commanded by fuddy-duddies; they have evolved to
aid communication. You will find that you will get more valuable
responses when you make your inquiry as easy to read as you can.
Down below you will see a bundle of words without the suggestion of a
complete sentence in it anywhere. If it contains any coherent
thoughts, they are well obscured.
Here's a thought for you. The chap who can't manage to organize his
thoughts into complete, coherent sentences also said that the short
bed of a truck limits the length of the trailer it can pull. Could
there be a connection?
Happy camping.
Ken
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>... which
>usually has a larger bed room in the nose which is over the truck
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
>kids don't push yourself out of having fun by buying to big where you
>hate to drive......it's supposed to be fun for you!