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Hoping to build travel trailer (was: Trying to find small...)

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dh@. - 14 Feb 2007 17:30 GMT
Hi again,

I was trying to find a small travel trailer, but they are more
than I want to spend for one thing among others. Now
it seems like a better idea to build one instead. I already
have a flatbed carhauling trailer I haven't even looked
at in years, so that would be the thing to start with. I'd
like to make the roof able to be walked on and support
two or three people also, and was thinking of using
2x4s for the ceiling and maybe half inch plywood covered
with aluminum from a continuous roll. Maybe the aluminum
would not hold up to any amount of walking though? If
I ever want to put furniture or something like that on it, I
would expect to lay some plywood on it first so the feet
can't poke through the aluminum. This is the type of
idea I have in mind:

http://tinyurl.com/2ato7x

to build on a trailer with a design about like this:

http://tinyurl.com/2ykbw6

Do you people have any advice? Can anyone suggest
places that show ideas, and exposed framework etc?
Also any input about lights (interior and exterior), windows
and doors, siding, suppliers...would be much appreciated.
I'm thinking of a side door, and double doors on the back.

Thank you for any suggestions!
David
Disabled In BC - 14 Feb 2007 18:29 GMT
> Hi again,
>
> I was trying to find a small travel trailer, but they are more
> than I want to spend for one thing among others.

Personally, I'd recommend you shop around and ask around first. I ran
across my 27' (project) travel trailer by taking a drive in the area
of the small town where I live and there it was only about a mile from
town. The outside looked ok but it was obvious from being sunk down to
its axles that it hadn't been anywhere in awhile. As it turned out,
the owner of the property had told the renter with the trialer that it
had to go, or the renter did. I got it for the price of towing it
away.

> Now
> it seems like a better idea to build one instead. I already
> have a flatbed carhauling trailer I haven't even looked
> at in years, so that would be the thing to start with.

Don't forget to repack the wheel bearings before trying to tow it
anywhere. Any old vehicle or trailer thats been sitting for years is a
candidate for a spun or siezed bearing. Watching your wheel pass you
on the highway is amusing, but not that fun.

> I'd
> like to make the roof able to be walked on and support
> two or three people also, and was thinking of using
> 2x4s for the ceiling and maybe half inch plywood covered
> with aluminum from a continuous roll. Maybe the aluminum
> would not hold up to any amount of walking though?

Likely right there. Wood wrought might be a concern. If you make a
roof with aluminum roll roofing and add an elevated plywood roof,
supported by brackets on the side of the trailer, I think you would be
better off. Or, instead of plywood, (depending on your budget), you
could use aluminum checker plate like this stuff:
www.eagleindustriesltd.com/custom/box_liners.html
Then you could skip the rolled roofing and extras.

> If
> I ever want to put furniture or something like that on it, I
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> and doors, siding, suppliers...would be much appreciated.
> I'm thinking of a side door, and double doors on the back.

If you want to keep moisture out then roof vents are a consideration.
Likewise if you want to have a fridge and stove which might vent
through the roof. I expect everything could be vented through side
vents near the roof line though. As for suppliers, depends on where
you are. If theres a used RV parts dealer nearby, or company willing
to custom make siding, or provide "generic" siding, etc. Doors are
easy, but the best are fiberglass covered insulated doors, as older
RV's & TT's had doors wrapped in aluminum which is not a great idea.

D.BC
mikeyhsd - 14 Feb 2007 19:10 GMT
check a library. ones I have used usually have older books on building rv's.

also the truck bed  spray on liner might be a good roof material.
some have posted using it to repair leaky roofs.

mikeyhsd@sport.rr.commikeyhsd@sport.rr.com

 Hi again,

 I was trying to find a small travel trailer, but they are more
 than I want to spend for one thing among others. Now
 it seems like a better idea to build one instead. I already
 have a flatbed carhauling trailer I haven't even looked
 at in years, so that would be the thing to start with. I'd
 like to make the roof able to be walked on and support
 two or three people also, and was thinking of using
 2x4s for the ceiling and maybe half inch plywood covered
 with aluminum from a continuous roll. Maybe the aluminum
 would not hold up to any amount of walking though? If
 I ever want to put furniture or something like that on it, I
 would expect to lay some plywood on it first so the feet
 can't poke through the aluminum. This is the type of
 idea I have in mind:

 http://tinyurl.com/2ato7x

 to build on a trailer with a design about like this:

 http://tinyurl.com/2ykbw6

 Do you people have any advice? Can anyone suggest
 places that show ideas, and exposed framework etc?
 Also any input about lights (interior and exterior), windows
 and doors, siding, suppliers...would be much appreciated.
 I'm thinking of a side door, and double doors on the back.

 Thank you for any suggestions!
 David
Tom  J - 14 Feb 2007 19:21 GMT
> can't poke through the aluminum. This is the type of
> idea I have in mind:
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>
> Do you people have any advice?

I've built a couple of conversion vans from bare work vans, so I have
a little experience. If you plan on having  gas & electric like an RV,
a stove, sink, hot & cold running water, refrigerator, bed & some
place to sit, the $1,000 or under you are looking to spend is a drop
in the bucket, let alone the box you've got to make to hold it all,
which will need windows & a door.  Keep looking for used.

Tom J
dh@. - 14 Feb 2007 20:26 GMT
>> can't poke through the aluminum. This is the type of
>> idea I have in mind:
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>in the bucket, let alone the box you've got to make to hold it all,
>which will need windows & a door.  Keep looking for used.

   I'm not going for running water and an RV fridge and all that.
If I need an oven I'll take a toaster oven...propane stove...
microwave. For a sink I'll probably use a real sink with a 7 gallon
water bottle opening into it, and maybe another under the sink
to catch it unless I'm in a position to just pipe it out into the woods
or something. No plans for a shower or toilet yet, but if I get such
it will probably be mobile camping type. I'm really just looking to
build a shell and a couple of cabinets, and sleep on the floor or
a fold out bunk or something.
Andrew - 14 Feb 2007 20:46 GMT
Have I got the solution for you!

Around here our insurance company auctions off all written off or stolen
/recovered vehicles. I've seen many travel trailers sell for under $500.
 Sometimes they need a bit of work (much better than building from
scratch) and other times a bit of hail damage was enough to write them off.

The best deal I've seen to date was a brand new 5th wheel, stolen from a
dealer's lot, sell for 60% of the new value. The unit still had plastic
on the upholstry and cardboard on the floor.

>     I'm not going for running water and an RV fridge and all that.
> If I need an oven I'll take a toaster oven...propane stove...
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> build a shell and a couple of cabinets, and sleep on the floor or
> a fold out bunk or something.
Lance Orner - 14 Feb 2007 23:45 GMT
> If I need an oven I'll take a toaster oven...propane stove...
> microwave. For a sink I'll probably use a real sink with a 7 gallon
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> build a shell and a couple of cabinets, and sleep on the floor or
> a fold out bunk or something.

Although it's not of the design you've mentioned, there are several web
sites out there devoted to DIY building small trailers with a galleys on
the back, all built on a 4x8 Harbor Freight trailer.  If you search for
"tiny trailer" or "teardrop trailer", you'll find lots of designs that
people have built themselves.

I'm working on one for me and my wife right now.  It's like a teardrop
trailer with a galley on the back, along with an enclosed interior area
wide enough for a queen bed and reading lights, but not tall enough to
stand up in.  People have built model stand-up models.

The biggest forum with ideas and pictures is "Teardrops & Tiny Trailers
Forum" (http://www.mikenchell.com/forums/index.php).  I get a lot of my
ideas there.

--
 Lance Orner (lance@orner.net)
PJ - 15 Feb 2007 00:06 GMT
I wish that it was practical to build something like this.  Unfortunately,
once one assembles all of the parts, you're into what an older used trailer
would sell for.  I sold a 73 motor home with genny with only 45000 miles on
it for $1500, and I was glad to get it.

If you decide to go ahead with it -- and some camp grounds won't really
welcome you -- take a look at the stuff that this outfit has:

http://www.colawrvsalvage.com/

Phil

> Hi again,
>
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> Thank you for any suggestions!
> David
asadi - 15 Feb 2007 00:27 GMT
be sure to post the pictures....

john

> Hi again,
>
[quoted text clipped - 27 lines]
> Thank you for any suggestions!
> David
R.J.(Bob) Evans - 15 Feb 2007 03:31 GMT
>I was trying to find a small travel trailer, but they are more
>than I want to spend for one thing among others. Now
>it seems like a better idea to build one instead. I already

People often think they can build something for less than they can buy
it for.  Rarely is this true, particularly so for RVs.  By the time
you assemble even a basic complement of components you will have more
money into your project than if you had simply looked for a used unit.
Plus the money you spend will be truly spent because your homemade
trailer will be virtually worthless if you ever try to sell it.  

Save your money & keep looking.

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dh@. - 15 Feb 2007 16:57 GMT
>>I was trying to find a small travel trailer, but they are more
>>than I want to spend for one thing among others. Now
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>you assemble even a basic complement of components you will have more
>money into your project than if you had simply looked for a used unit.

   That all depends on a lot of details. If I had to pay $1K for the trailer
to begin with, that would be a huge factor. So is the fact that I don't.
I might have to replace the tires, but chances are good I'd have to do
that if I bought a used trailer too. If I was going to install an rv type
refrigerator, stove, oven etc, that would make a huge difference too,
but I'm not so it makes a huge difference the other way. If I was going
to install benches and tables etc, that would be more expence that
I'm not going to have. A couple of folding chairs is what I've got in
mind. I don't intend to install a water system with a pump etc, and if
I ever do it will be an addition later, not part of the initial cost. Stuff
like that.

>Plus the money you spend will be truly spent because your homemade
>trailer will be virtually worthless if you ever try to sell it.  

   Again that depends on details. I want to make this so it's easy to get
everything out or stored away in a way that makes it a good trailer
to haul things in too. I also want to make the roof strong enough
to walk on, and work from. I also want to make double doors in the
back to help with the cargo idea, and also to open up if I ever take
this thing to a nice place to stay. I'm hoping it will be sort of a work
trailer, and if I decide to sell it some day there might be somebody
else who wants something like it.

>Save your money & keep looking.

   I'm not really liking what I'm finding, which is another reason to
make what I want instead. It's surprising to me that more people
aren't interested in doing the same thing.
R.J.(Bob) Evans - 15 Feb 2007 17:46 GMT
>>Save your money & keep looking.
>
>    I'm not really liking what I'm finding, which is another reason to
>make what I want instead. It's surprising to me that more people
>aren't interested in doing the same thing.

BTDT

Maybe instead of it being "surprising" to you it should be
"informative" or "thought provoking" or "educational".

Don't come back in a couple of years and say we didn't warn you.

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dh@. - 15 Feb 2007 18:06 GMT
>>>Save your money & keep looking.
>>
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>Maybe instead of it being "surprising" to you it should be
>"informative" or "thought provoking" or "educational".

   I understand what people are saying. I also understand
why I might still want to make my own, meaning I can also
understand why other people might too.

>Don't come back in a couple of years and say we didn't warn you.

   ???
RichA - 15 Feb 2007 19:18 GMT
>>>I was trying to find a small travel trailer, but they are more
>>>than I want to spend for one thing among others. Now
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>make what I want instead. It's surprising to me that more people
>aren't interested in doing the same thing.
Hi,
Hi,
Sounds like you want a party trailer for NASCAR events not an RV travel
trailer.  Any enclosed trailer would work for that idea or you can
cobble something together from what you have.  Just make sure to have
enough supports both side and top to hold you and however many people
you plan on having walking around up there.

Most people here aren't interested in doing stuff like that because
this is an RV news group.   Sleeping in a sleeping bag on the floor of a
trailer isn't what most folks consider RV'ing.  But to each their own as
the saying goes.

Take care and Happy trailer building...
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"We Get Too Soon Olde and Too Late Smart"

David Moffitt - 15 Feb 2007 04:12 GMT
There are plans on ebay for about $25.00.

> Hi again,
>
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> Thank you for any suggestions!
> David
William Boyd-II - 15 Feb 2007 17:28 GMT
> Thank you for any suggestions!
> David

Your mistake was thinking when you mentioned a
travel trailer, we would know you were talking
about a toy hauler. Suggest you look in to the
concept of toy haulers. They have beds that are
drawn up to the ceiling when not in use and
having a ramp that folds down in the back for
loading things. I think this would be a better
review of technology for you to convert your
utility trailer. But I would suggest you look
for some salvaged aluminum frame work for your
topside construction, to prevent top heavy
condition.

http://www.rvwholesalers.com/design/RWagon/RWagon.php

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 Me
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dh@. - 15 Feb 2007 18:02 GMT
>> Thank you for any suggestions!
>> David
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>about a toy hauler. Suggest you look in to the
>concept of toy haulers.

   Thank you.

>They have beds that are
>drawn up to the ceiling when not in use and
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>
>http://www.rvwholesalers.com/design/RWagon/RWagon.php
 
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