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Handicapped parking question - good in other states?

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judy - 12 Mar 2007 18:30 GMT
I have a handicapped placard issued by California, where I live.  Since
we're going on a trip through several states, I called the DMV and asked if
it would be honored in other states - the person told me it very positively
that it would not - or I could check with the various other states and find
out their rules...

So - it seems to me like it would be obvious that you can't get a placard
from every state you might visit, and that it should be honored everywhere
in the country.  Was the DMV person right or wrong in what he told me?
Would I be taking a chance on getting a ticket if I used it in a different
state?

Thanks,

Judy
stan.birch@hotmail.com - 12 Mar 2007 18:49 GMT
>I have a handicapped placard issued by California, where I live.  Since
>we're going on a trip through several states, I called the DMV and asked if
>it would be honored in other states - the person told me it very positively
>that it would not - or I could check with the various other states and find
>out their rules . . .

Not quite sure what kind of information you really expected to receive
by **calling** the DMV; but you can be reasonably assured that
anything you are told by **calling** them, doesn't extend beyond the
expertise of the kid who answers the phone; in a world where the only
thing the kid who answers the phone knows, is how to answer the phone.
NotMe - 13 Mar 2007 05:09 GMT
<stan.birch@hotmail.com>

| >I have a handicapped placard issued by California, where I live.  Since
| >we're going on a trip through several states, I called the DMV and asked if
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
| expertise of the kid who answers the phone; in a world where the only
| thing the kid who answers the phone knows, is how to answer the phone.

I've been all over and NEVER been challenged on the out of state issuance.
Even with rent cars having a locally issued license tag.

(I don't know for a fact but I expect the issue is addressed in the ADA
which is a Federal law)  I'm told that the only thing they can ask to verify
is that the tag was issued to the driver/passenger and not someone who was
not in/with the vehicle.  No one has the right to even ask what the
disability might be.

At one time (pre ADA) some areas had tags that were only honored locally.
SnoMan - 13 Mar 2007 11:38 GMT
>>I have a handicapped placard issued by California, where I live.  Since
>>we're going on a trip through several states, I called the DMV and asked if
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>expertise of the kid who answers the phone; in a world where the only
>thing the kid who answers the phone knows, is how to answer the phone.

When I had knee surgery 4 years ago in the spring, I had such a
placecard for a while durring a long recoup and we took a trip that
summer while I was still mending and there was no issues at all in
variuos states we traveled.
-----------------
TheSnoMan.com
Steve B - 12 Mar 2007 19:04 GMT
>I have a handicapped placard issued by California, where I live.  Since
>we're going on a trip through several states, I called the DMV and asked if
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
>
> Judy

I would say that if the placard has the expiration date visible on it, that
it should be good.  Operative word should.  I would think that states have
enough tourism and enough people use these placards interstate that if there
were a problem, we would have heard about it by now.  Especially in the RV
traveling community newsgroups.

Just my wild guess.

Steve
Will Sill - 12 Mar 2007 19:17 GMT
I see where "judy" <jdytart@sbcglobal.net> contributed:
>I have a handicapped placard issued by California, where I live.  Since
>we're going on a trip through several states, I called the DMV and asked if
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>Would I be taking a chance on getting a ticket if I used it in a different
>state?

I have no more authority than the dimwit you talked to on the phone -
but we have traveled in 49 States and most Canadian provinces, and
have yet to have our PA placard challenged.  My advice (worth every
penny) is Don't Sweat It.

Will Sill
The Curmudgeon of Sill Hill
Steve Barker - 12 Mar 2007 20:26 GMT
Do you have to license your car in every state you drive in?  Well, then,
there's your answer.

Signature

Steve Barker

>I have a handicapped placard issued by California, where I live.  Since
>we're going on a trip through several states, I called the DMV and asked if
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
>
> Judy
Steve B - 12 Mar 2007 22:53 GMT
> Do you have to license your car in every state you drive in?  Well, then,
> there's your answer.

Or get a different driver's license from each state?  Good point, Steve.

Steve
judy - 12 Mar 2007 23:26 GMT
Well, thanks for the thoughts and info, I will take my card with me and use
it anywhere.    As for the "dumb" reply I got from DMV, it's not unusual for
rules and regulations to be dumb...

Judy
Hustlin' Hank - 13 Mar 2007 10:35 GMT
> Well, thanks for the thoughts and info, I will take my card with me and use
> it anywhere.  As for the "dumb" reply I got from DMV, it's not unusual for
> rules and regulations to be dumb...
>
> Judy

If you have to ask if you're handicapped, the answer is NO. Obviously
you and the others on here only think you/they deserve a spot because
you're too lazy to walk a few extra steps. Disgusting!

I don't know any police/security that would question you if you were
"really" handicapped, with or without a placard.

Hank <~~~not politically correct
Steve B - 13 Mar 2007 17:17 GMT
On Mar 12, 5:26?pm, "judy" <jdyt...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> Well, thanks for the thoughts and info, I will take my card with me and
> use
> it anywhere.  As for the "dumb" reply I got from DMV, it's not unusual for
> rules and regulations to be dumb...
>
> Judy

If you have to ask if you're handicapped, the answer is NO. Obviously
you and the others on here only think you/they deserve a spot because
you're too lazy to walk a few extra steps. Disgusting!

I don't know any police/security that would question you if you were
"really" handicapped, with or without a placard.

Hank <~~~not politically correct

Hey, troll.  If I could return my plates and placard and get my health back,
I'd do it, plus kick in $50,000.

Moron.

Steve
Hustlin' Hank - 13 Mar 2007 19:29 GMT
> I don't know any police/security that would question you if you were
> "really" handicapped, with or without a placard.
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>
> Steve

If you were "really" handicapped, the statements I made wouldn't
offend you. I know this because my good friend who is in a wheelchair
agrees with me.  Hummmmmmmmm.........truth must hurt.

Hank <~~~~Thinks Steve must be one of the abusers
Steve B - 13 Mar 2007 17:19 GMT
On Mar 12, 5:26?pm, "judy" <jdyt...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> Well, thanks for the thoughts and info, I will take my card with me and
> use
> it anywhere.  As for the "dumb" reply I got from DMV, it's not unusual for
> rules and regulations to be dumb...
>
> Judy

If you have to ask if you're handicapped, the answer is NO. Obviously
you and the others on here only think you/they deserve a spot because
you're too lazy to walk a few extra steps. Disgusting!

I don't know any police/security that would question you if you were
"really" handicapped, with or without a placard.

Hank <~~~not politically correct

plonk

(self-explanatory)
NotMe - 13 Mar 2007 18:54 GMT
On Mar 12, 5:26?pm, "judy" <jdyt...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> Well, thanks for the thoughts and info, I will take my card with me and
> use
> it anywhere.  As for the "dumb" reply I got from DMV, it's not unusual for
> rules and regulations to be dumb...
>
> Judy

If you have to ask if you're handicapped, the answer is NO. Obviously
you and the others on here only think you/they deserve a spot because
you're too lazy to walk a few extra steps. Disgusting!

I don't know any police/security that would question you if you were
"really" handicapped, with or without a placard.

Hank <~~~not politically correct

Your post reminds me of my friend, an old Marine who, when confronted by
someone who claimed he 'didn't look handicapped responded with a typical
DI's voice 'and you don't look like an a**h*** either.'

I hate to admit it but it feels so good to watch the turkey melt under the
verbal assult.
Janet Wilder - 14 Mar 2007 17:58 GMT
> If you have to ask if you're handicapped, the answer is NO. Obviously
> you and the others on here only think you/they deserve a spot because
> you're too lazy to walk a few extra steps. Disgusting!

I don't think it's that easy to get a placard. In every state that I am
aware of, one must have a certificate signed by a medical doctor that
lists the applicant's condition. AFAIK, "lazy" is not a medical condition.

Signature

Janet Wilder
Bad spelling. Bad punctuation
Good Friends. Good Life

Steve B - 14 Mar 2007 18:59 GMT
>> If you have to ask if you're handicapped, the answer is NO. Obviously
>> you and the others on here only think you/they deserve a spot because
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> aware of, one must have a certificate signed by a medical doctor that
> lists the applicant's condition. AFAIK, "lazy" is not a medical condition.

Don't feed the troll.

Steve
Hustlin' Hank - 14 Mar 2007 20:16 GMT
> >> If you have to ask if you're handicapped, the answer is NO. Obviously
> >> you and the others on here only think you/they deserve a spot because
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
>
> Steve

Hi Steve,

    Why are you calling me names? Is it because you know you're
wrong? Do you always call people names when they don't agree with you?
Do you think you're going to lose your right to park in the handicap
spots?

    Usually when someone starts calling names, that is an admission
that the truth came out against them. I understand your frustration, I
use to call people names years ago before I became an adult and
learned how to debate issues.

Hank <~~~Master debater :-)
Steve - 14 Mar 2007 22:02 GMT

> Hank <~~~Master debater :-)

Or is that Master-baiter? :) Pun intended. . .  Sorry Hank I couldn't
pass that one up.
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Do infants have as much fun in infancy as adults do in adultery?

Hustlin' Hank - 14 Mar 2007 23:23 GMT
> > Hank <~~~Master debater :-)
>
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
> Do infants have as much fun in infancy as adults do in adultery?

No problem! I did that knowing someone would pick up on it and get the
joke.

You're quicker than most.

Hank <~~~likes witty people
John Kinney - 17 Mar 2007 14:51 GMT
> No problem! I did that knowing someone would pick up on it and get the
> joke.

Hmmm...  So you *are* a troll.  I've been trying to give you the benefit
of the doubt as a person who was overly opinionated and severely ignorant
about the realities of the disabled community.

Speaking from the perspective of 20 years or so dealing with the disabled
community and a like time watching Usenet trolls, I will comment that
there certainly are a few people who misuse the accessibility regulations,
just as there are word-gamers like yourself who post inflammatory messages
to get a bit of attention.  In many cases, I suspect the same
self-centered clue-deprived personality types do both.

In my professional experience with people having disabilities, most (like
Janet Wilder's post) don't *like* to take advantage of the regulations or
even bring attention to their problems unless necessary. Their own
impairment makes them sensitive to the impairments of others.  It's the
imbeciles trying to justify their own insensitivity or abusiveness who
think in the manner you posted.

My partner for example is mobility impaired in a manner similar to one of
the other posters in this thread. She has a parking placard from NC that
sits in her purse all the time. Her impairment is not symmetrical -- the
nerves in her left leg and those in her spine serving that leg are
seriously damaged.

Most of the time she can get into a store without using a curb cut, but
sometimes just stepping over a curb without a handrail requires my
assistance. On her good days, we look for a conventional parking space
near the entrance, but a 200 foot walk can involve her stopping and
resting about every 50 feet, leaving her vulnerable to someone in an
automobile not seeing her or losing control in the vehicular traffic way.
In an emergency, she might not be able to safely step out of the way.

When the near parking spaces are filled, I usually stop and help her out
of the car, then go park somewhere else.  I don't want her injured in an
accident an able-bodied person might have avoided.  She always gets a
shopping cart, even for brief stops, because she uses it as a walker to
avoid drawing attention to herself. She always asks me to hang the placard
no matter where we park, so people will know that the vehicle was being
used by a person with a disability.

She can usually get into and out of her van okay, but we had to buy a van
with electric seat adjustments, because sitting for a long time with her
hands on the wheel is very painful unless the seat is set exactly right.
When we're traveling with the big truck, I almost always have to help her
climb into the truck, even though her upper body is reasonably strong and
she can do much of the work pulling herself up with the grab handle and
lifting with her right leg. She can't climb stairs without handrails
because the damaged leg won't lift her safely without the rail for balance
as well as helping pull her up to the next step.

Of course, the biggest clue to your own bigotry is the presumption that
you can tell if somebody is "really" handicapped.  Trust me.  You can't.
Even if some of your friends are disabled.

Most of the time you can't detect even a serious disability unless you're
trained in what to look for and watch somebody for an extended period of
time, or unless someone actually is using an appliance like a walker or
crutches or wheelchair. People with disabilities are easy targets for
jerks like yourself because they usually want to appear as normal as
possible.

Unlike yourself.  

John Kinney
Hustlin' Hank - 17 Mar 2007 20:49 GMT
> > No problem! I did that knowing someone would pick up on it and get the
> > joke.
[quoted text clipped - 63 lines]
>
> John Kinney

First, I am sorry to hear about your partner.

Second, why the name calling? Can't you people hold a debate without
name calling?

Third, if you think I am a troll, why did you respond in a manner
which appears that you are trying to justify your partners handicap? I
am sure she is sadly aware of it.

Fourth, when a person jumps out of their car and RUNS into Walmart and
shops for 30 minutes plus, all the time carrying lots of items. I
don't classify them as qualified for a handicap parking spot, nor do I
think they should take the spot from someone who is. I guess YOU do.
Just a matter of opinion I guess.

I agree that many handicaps may not be visible. But ANYBODY can get a
placard. I think I proved that because I have one (never use it to
date).

I don't really need to hear from people who are trying to justify
their handicap. The handicap people I know don't have to justify it,
they know it.

As for your "professional" opinion, it really doesn't matter because
it is just an opinion. I am sure other "professionals" have a
different opinion. Most professionals are old enough not to call
people names.

However, unlike you, I am glad to hear everybodies opinion whether I
agree with them or not.

Hank <~~~opened minded
Frank Tabor - 17 Mar 2007 20:58 GMT
> Fourth, when a person jumps out of their car and RUNS into Walmart and
> shops for 30 minutes plus, all the time carrying lots of items. I don't
> classify them as qualified for a handicap parking spot, nor do I think
> they should take the spot from someone who is. I guess YOU do. Just a
> matter of opinion I guess.

Who can an cannot get a Handicap parking pass, fortunately, isn't up to
you, it's up to an MD.

> I agree that many handicaps may not be visible. But ANYBODY can get a
> placard. I think I proved that because I have one (never use it to
> date).

Then your Dr. is an idiot.  I'd take my business elsewhere.  Oh, excuse
me, he's your Proctologist.  I guess Anal Craneous Insertus *is* a
handicap in your case.
Signature

Frank Tabor
The first thing we do, let's kill all the lawyers.
        -- Wm. Shakespeare, "Henry VI", Part IV

Hustlin' Hank - 17 Mar 2007 23:38 GMT
> Who can an cannot get a Handicap parking pass, fortunately, isn't up to
> you, it's up to an MD.
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> The first thing we do, let's kill all the lawyers.
>         -- Wm. Shakespeare, "Henry VI", Part IV

You people are sooooooooo defensive it is unbelieveable. I am fighting
against the abuse of the placard and all you people want to do is call
me names.

Don't you people understand? I am fighting for the cause of the
handicap parking. I don't want people who are NOT handicapped to use
them so readily. If you or a loved one is truly handicapped, you would
understand my feelings. Since you don't, you must be guilty.

Again, name calling just reinforces the theory of guilt. So with that,
you and the other defensive people, must be the abusers.

Hank <~~~~ Not guilty, not childish
NotMe - 18 Mar 2007 02:55 GMT
"Hustlin' Hank"

> Who can an cannot get a Handicap parking pass, fortunately, isn't up to
> you, it's up to an MD.
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> The first thing we do, let's kill all the lawyers.
>         -- Wm. Shakespeare, "Henry VI", Part IV

>You people are sooooooooo defensive it is unbelievable. I am fighting
against the abuse of the placard and all you people want to do is call
me names.

If you think what's been posted here is a flame I'd love to introduce you to
my disabled Marine.  Just like the Wicked Witch of the West you'd be melting
from the VOICE alone.

I think I'd have a better than even chance on America's Funniest Videos if I
taped the encounter.

It is eminently clear you are NOT fighting the abuse but blaming the
disabled for your lack of understanding, knowledge and compassion.
Hustlin' Hank - 18 Mar 2007 11:41 GMT
> > > I agree that many handicaps may not be visible. But ANYBODY can get a
> > > placard. I think I proved that because I have one (never use it to
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
> It is eminently clear you are NOT fighting the abuse but blaming the
> disabled for your lack of understanding, knowledge and compassion.- Hide quoted text -

I don't have to inmagine an ex-marine DI yelling. I spent 4 years in
the military between 65-69. Been there, done that. As a medic in the
Navy, I trained, ate, slept, and worked closely with marines. For
those who don't know it, the marines didn't have medics, they used
only Navy medics.

Since you aren't name calling and only questioning my motives, I will
respond. If you believe anybody with a placard is handicapped, I think
you may be a little naive. If I didn't have compassion, why would I be
voicing my opinion on the abuse? As one poster stated, just because
you're old doesn't give you a free pass to park in the handicap spot.
Again, I know people close to 80 that can run circles around most of
us. Besides, most of the abuse isn't from those over 70.

You are right about me not understanding. I don't understand why
people would be upset with trying to tighten the laws which govern the
handicap placard/parking situation. It seems to me that most of the
responses are from people who are trying to justify their handicap.
Why would anybody need to justify their handicap in a topic of
handicap parking abuse? I'll tell you, they are guilty.

Since you claim I have a lack of knowledge, Explain to me, what is the
purpose of the placard? If you would take notice the next time you go
to a large store, you'll see the abuse. Do you believe there is abuse?
If so, what would you put the percentage at?

Hank <~~~amazed at the mob mentality
NotMe - 19 Mar 2007 02:38 GMT
"Hustlin' Hank"
<smip>

Since you aren't name calling and only questioning my motives, I will
respond. If you believe anybody with a placard is handicapped, I think
you may be a little naive. If I didn't have compassion, why would I be
voicing my opinion on the abuse? As one poster stated, just because
you're old doesn't give you a free pass to park in the handicap spot.
Again, I know people close to 80 that can run circles around most of
us. Besides, most of the abuse isn't from those over 70.

>And the exception proves the rule?  I can name 100 people I know personally
>that ARE handicapped.  Does that mean everyone I know is handicapped?

> My impression is that you assume that the majority of people with HC
> placards are riding the system and that you base the presumption on your
> astute observations.

You are right about me not understanding. I don't understand why
people would be upset with trying to tighten the laws which govern the
handicap placard/parking situation. It seems to me that most of the
responses are from people who are trying to justify their handicap.
Why would anybody need to justify their handicap in a topic of
handicap parking abuse? I'll tell you, they are guilty.

> Because you are not trying to tighten the law (which are sufficiently
> rigorous as they are written). Or if you are, you are going about the
> process in the worse possible way.

> The problem, if there is one, is that what is on the books now is not
> supported by some physicians.  Abuse in any program is like roaches, you
> can't kill them all.

Since you claim I have a lack of knowledge, Explain to me, what is the
purpose of the placard? If you would take notice the next time you go
to a large store, you'll see the abuse. Do you believe there is abuse?
If so, what would you put the percentage at?

> First, by definition under the law, having the placard is sufficient proof
> of qualification.  No one, short of an official hearing by the state
> office issuing the placard, has the authority to question the issuance.
> (the attending physician can revoke his certification of disability but
> that's another process).

>Recall ignorance of the law is no excuse.

> Law enforcement is only authorized to ticket in the event that there is a
> miss match between the assigned placard and the individual ID.  All they
> can ask is for ID to verify a match with the placard.  They cannot ask if
> the person is HC or what the HC might be or the extent of the disability
> or how it limits the persons activities.

> Private citizens such as yourself have NO STANDING to challenge the use of
> a properly issued placard.

>You might send a letter to the state DMV and the state might (but likely
won't) contact the physician's office.  Lacking a negative response from the
physician (unlikely under HIPPA) the matter would be dropped at that point.
If the physian felt the HC placard were not longer justified he could notify
the patent and the state of his new assessment.

> If for example I have HC tags/placard on my vehicle and my, wife who is
> also HC and has tags/placard on her vehicle, should use my vehicle and
> park in a HC space LEO could legitimately challenge her use.  At which
> point he would issue a ticket or not.  He might 'require', on his own
> initiative, that she move but would be subject to judicial review if it
> was proven that she was in fact HC.

>Now with the ticket my wife will either contact the clerk of the court
>(they usual process) and the ticket will be voided or in some areas that
>are a bit more anal require a visit with the judge.  At which point the
>necessary supporting documentation is present and the case dismissed.

>Should the judge rule against my wife the matter will go to appeal.  I have
>seen only one instance when the judge did not dismiss and that ruling was
>quickly remedied on summery on appeal (no trial).

>I have observed only one case where a LEO took it upon himself to
>repeatedly cite someone who had a legitimate disability.  That process
>lasted less then a month before the judge told him to stop or face jail
>time for contempt.

>FWIW this cop would cite if the vehicle was on the white line or the rear
>was a bit too far into the road way.  (Think 2-3 inches in a 20 foot wide
>drive).

>Now on the other side of the issue are those who feel privileged to park
>'just for a moment' with out the tag.

>If the driver was HC and did not have the tag with him he would be cited.

>In most places he would be REQUIRED to go before the judge.  If his tag was
>valid (not stolen or counterfeit or borrowed) he would get a lecture to be
>more careful and not waste the court's time.

>OTOH if he did not have substantiation of a HC: The fine is $200 max and
>judges typically assess the max plus stiff court cost.  Often as not
>including community service.

>I know a few judges that will require the offender to use simulation gear
>including a wheel chair for at least a day sometimes longer.

> Other judges require them to ride with people like me that drive HC vans
> as volunteers. In part to observe and in part to help.  I personally
> prefer this option as it give me and others time to get the message across
> by example.

> In the end these folk come away with a better understanding of what it
> really means to have the need for a HC parking place.

>As to the percentage of abuse I have no clue and what's more neither do
>you.
Janet Wilder - 19 Mar 2007 04:38 GMT
>It seems to me that most of the
> responses are from people who are trying to justify their handicap.
> Why would anybody need to justify their handicap in a topic of
> handicap parking abuse? I'll tell you, they are guilty.

There was a discussion that pointed out that because someone doesn't
appear to be handicapped, they are faking it for the permit. It was
stated that there are people with back problems, cardiac problems and
respiratory problems that dont' have appliances or wheel chairs but
because of their medical conditions can't walk even short distances. In
cases where the handicap isn't visible to the lay-person's eye, posters
have justified their handicaps. JMTCW

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Bad spelling. Bad punctuation
Good Friends. Good Life

Steve B - 19 Mar 2007 05:38 GMT
>>It seems to me that most of the
>> responses are from people who are trying to justify their handicap.
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> handicap isn't visible to the lay-person's eye, posters have justified
> their handicaps. JMTCW

And any time I have to justify my behavior to anyone other than a fully
commissioned police officer or court of law, let me know.  Other than that,
you can ................. (                            ).

Fill in the blank.

Steve
RAM³ - 19 Mar 2007 06:15 GMT
>>It seems to me that most of the
>> responses are from people who are trying to justify their handicap.
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> handicap isn't visible to the lay-person's eye, posters have justified
> their handicaps. JMTCW

All too often, the unhandicapped driver ISN'T the person to whom the permit
was issued but someone - friend, relative,etc. - who sometimes provides
transportation to the handicapped individual. Although the permit/placard
isn't supposed to be displayed when the handicapped individual isn't in the
vehicle, frequently the non-handicapped driver finds its convenience too
hard to ignore.

And yes, Janet, there are quite a number of individuals who DO have severe
physical problems that do not require canes, crutches, walkers, or
wheelchairs.

Most of them are not, however, 17-23 year-old "minority" males dressed in
gangsta'-styles that are just dropping into a stop-and-rob or liquor store
for another couple of 6-packs of beer and a package of cigarrettes. [No,
Grannie isn't in the car. <g>]
NotMe - 20 Mar 2007 03:14 GMT
Janet.

Those are not my words.

| >It seems to me that most of the
| > responses are from people who are trying to justify their handicap.
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
| cases where the handicap isn't visible to the lay-person's eye, posters
| have justified their handicaps. JMTCW
Steve B - 19 Mar 2007 05:37 GMT
<bullshit snipped>

Cut the bullshit, clown.

State your point in 25 words or less.

Steve
Hustlin' Hank - 19 Mar 2007 12:54 GMT
> "Hustlin' Hank"
> <smip>

> >And the exception proves the rule? I can name 100 people I know personally
> >that ARE handicapped. Does that mean everyone I know is handicapped?
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>
> - Show quoted text -

I agree with your legal definitions and interpretation. I am just a
little PO'd that people that may be handicapped by definition, but can
still walk/run fine. For example: A guy who lost a hand takes the last
open spot, therefore the returning GI Who got his leg blown off
doesn't have a place to park.

I just think there are way too many people that don't think about the
other person, selfishness.

You're right, I can't change the law. What I want to accomplish is to
have people think about what they are doing and the other people they
are affecting. This may not be the best way to accomplish it, but its
all I have at the moment.

As I stated earlier, I recently acquired a HC placard. By legal
definition, I am handicapped. But I can't see me ever using it until I
am in a wheelchair or other device. I have to much respect for those
who are worse off than I.

If I have one person stop to think the next time they pull into a
handiap spot, then I have accomplished my goal. Since I have had so
many responses, I think my goal has been accomplished.

Thanks for your response.

Hank
David The Hamster Malone - 19 Mar 2007 18:24 GMT
> For example: A guy who lost a hand takes the last
> open spot, therefore the returning GI Who got his leg blown off
> doesn't have a place to park.

You could take that to extremes... what about when the GI who got one
leg blown off takes the space... and the next guy who got BOTH legs
blown off doesn't have a place to park? They are both handicapped -
it's just a matter of degree. It has to be first come - first
served...

But I know what you're trying to say.

> By legal definition, I am handicapped.

I don't think you get a space if you are mentally handicapped... <g>

Shoot, Hank... my mother and my grandfather both had severe rheumatoid
athritis and so I know what it's like. Are you still able to play
pool?

David "The shocked Hamster" Malone
Hustlin' Hank - 19 Mar 2007 18:57 GMT
On Mar 19, 12:24?pm, "David The Hamster Malone" <mal...@ca.ibm.com>
wrote:

> You could take that to extremes... what about when the GI who got one
> leg blown off takes the space... and the next guy who got BOTH legs
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>
> But I know what you're trying to say.

I'm glad you do. I understand that it is first come first served. And
you are correct about it being a matter of degree. By bringing this to
the forefront of conversation, maybe others (less of a handicap) will
think about the less fortunate and forego using the spot only when it
is necessary.

> > By legal definition, I am handicapped.
>
> I don't think you get a space if you are mentally handicapped... <g>

Since you know me so well, I'll let that slip :-)

> Shoot, Hank... my mother and my grandfather both had severe rheumatoid
> athritis and so I know what it's like. Are you still able to play
> pool?

> David "The shocked Hamster" Malone

I don't have severe RA, I can't imagine what that would be like. I
would classify mine as mild.

I haven't shot much. I am still able to "act" like I know what I am
doing on a pool table and pick up a few pennies. Pool just got old for
me, nothing to do much with RA.

What about you? You been shootin'? Writing any new books? How about
one on RV's?

Good to hear from ya.

Hank <~~~Can't write for sh*t
David The Hamster Malone - 19 Mar 2007 20:32 GMT
> I'm glad you do. I understand that it is first come first served. And
> you are correct about it being a matter of degree. By bringing this to
> the forefront of conversation, maybe others (less of a handicap) will
> think about the less fortunate and forego using the spot only when it
> is necessary.

Most of the time they are empty - up here in Ontario anyway. So it's
probably not a huge problem most places.

> I don't have severe RA, I can't imagine what that would be like. I
> would classify mine as mild.

My grandfather's hands were so twisted and bent that he couldn't do
the simplest things. I used to travel to his house every Saturday to
shave him and do his shopping. God knows how he managed other things.

> What about you? You been shootin'? Writing any new books? How about
> one on RV's?

I'm still playing a bit, although I gave up the VNEA league pool... so
it's recreational stuff mostly but I may go back in the fall.

I haven't written anything about RV's. The muse is silent so far. In
fact, I discovered a wonderfully talented writer called Bob Giddings
over at RORT that can write me into a paper hat... and I'd love to
talk him into writing something instead. I know when I'm over-matched.

So far he's resisting... <g>

David "The Hamster" Malone
NotMe - 20 Mar 2007 04:23 GMT
"Hustlin' Hank"

I agree with your legal definitions and interpretation. I am just a
little PO'd that people that may be handicapped by definition, but can
still walk/run fine. For example: A guy who lost a hand takes the last
open spot, therefore the returning GI Who got his leg blown off
doesn't have a place to park.

|> Please explain how a lost hand qualifies as a mobility impairment? (I
have yet to see anyone crossing the parking lot walking on their hands).  I
would presume that there were other factors in the issuance of the HC tag
that are not obvious. (BTW *obvious* is not a requirement)

|> Again it is not in our province to make that determination.

|> If your augment is based on relative levels of disability there may be a
moral distinction but that is beyond the ability of the law to determine.

|> In my personal experience most HC individual are acutely aware or have
the opining that others deserve the spot more than they.  I would venture
that a survey of the HC would reflect my perceptions.

I just think there are way too many people that don't think about the
other person, selfishness.

|>That situation has been with mankind since Cain and Able.

You're right, I can't change the law. What I want to accomplish is to
have people think about what they are doing and the other people they
are affecting. This may not be the best way to accomplish it, but its
all I have at the moment.

|> And making unfounded accusations about who is *really* HC helps the
process how?

As I stated earlier, I recently acquired a HC placard. By legal
definition, I am handicapped. But I can't see me ever using it until I
am in a wheelchair or other device. I have to much respect for those
who are worse off than I.

|> Then you are, by your own words, in transition.  You are likewise HC. The
difference is only in your perception of the degree of disability. Your doc
has one view you have another.

|>  Perhaps you are more disabled than you concede.  Not an uncommon
condition in folk when they receive an initial HC designation.  Happens in
other cases.  I can recall the shock when I receive my first 'senior
discount'.  The hardest part to accept was that I was not asked if I were
'old'.  In my mind I was still 21, blow'ng and go'in

|> Perhaps I should forgo the discount as there are other who are more
senior than I?

|> Not unlike a person with terminal cancer.  If he has 12 months or less to
live he qualifies for Hospice. Longer and he does not.  While *legally* he
does not qualify is he any less terminal?  By the same measure I know
personally people with a medical DX of < 6 months.  They have been in
Hospice care for 18 months.  Again are they any less terminal just because
they have not died in the allocated time span?

If I have one person stop to think the next time they pull into a
handicap spot, then I have accomplished my goal. Since I have had so
many responses, I think my goal has been accomplished.

|> Your augments only embolden those whom you would dissuade from doing what
you profess to despise.  Further, you have stigmatized people who, by rights
and medical condition, do benefit from HC parking.

Recall some businesses have reserved parking for expectant mothers.  I
recall a cartoon about a beautiful but somewhat disheveled young woman, who
when challenged about how far along she was in her pregnancy glanced at her
watch replied coyly '15 min.'

She might be minimally along but she was pregnant none the less.
Hustlin' Hank - 20 Mar 2007 10:43 GMT
> |> Then you are, by your own words, in transition. You are likewise HC. The
> difference is only in your perception of the degree of disability. Your doc
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>
> She might be minimally along but she was pregnant none the less.

You are correct about perception.

The "senior discount" is not federally mandated. Therefore is moot.

Hospice is a great organization. I applaude them. There again, apples
and oranges.

Funny story about the pregnant lady! Do expectant mothers qualify for
HC?

I just wonder how many RV'ers park their MH in the HC spot at
Walmarts. I have never seen any, have you? Also, how many park their
MH in the back of the lot and go into WalMart, but when in a car, they
park in the HC. Are they only HC in a car and not the MH?  I doubt
many on here will admit to parking their MH in the outback at WalMarts
but using the HC when in their car. What do you think? Perception IS
the keyword.

Hank <~~~ in the minority and knows it
NotMe - 20 Mar 2007 15:48 GMT
"Hustlin' Hank"

> |> Then you are, by your own words, in transition. You are likewise HC.
> The
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>
> She might be minimally along but she was pregnant none the less.

You are correct about perception.

The "senior discount" is not federally mandated. Therefore is moot.

|> Not the point only an example of how folk perceive themselves.

Hospice is a great organization. I applauder them. There again, apples
and oranges.

|> Again not the point only an example of how the system tries to deal with
the reality of an indeterminate.

Funny story about the pregnant lady! Do expectant mothers qualify for
HC?

|> No it's a natural process and time limited (repeats are possible,
statistically probable)
|> there may be circumstances with individual pregnancies that would qualify
but that's something only a |>physician can determine.  If a woman is
qualified the qualification would be time limited regardless.

I just wonder how many RV'ers park their MH in the HC spot at
Walmarts. I have never seen any, have you? Also, how many park their
MH in the back of the lot and go into WalMart, but when in a car, they
park in the HC. Are they only HC in a car and not the MH?  I doubt
many on here will admit to parking their MH in the outback at WalMarts
but using the HC when in their car. What do you think? Perception IS
the keyword.

|> I know personally folk who park in the HC zone when there is a need yet
don't park in the HC zone when they perceive no need on their part.  This in
their personal car.  I expect the same holds true for when they are in an
RV.

|> When I haul a group to an event in the HC van or in the RV we are
afforded some privileges such as access to restricted unloading and often
preferential parking.  The later seems to be more for the convenience of the
event staff than an official accommodation. (they do much the same for tour
busses)

|>As to what RVer s do or don't do in this regard I have no direct
knowledge. My guess is they do whatever works best for their circumstances.

|>As for me and mine we will drop off at the 'white line passenger/loading
point' and one of us will drive to the out back park the RV so we can see
the door and use a two way radio or cell phones to call the 'bus for pick
up'.

|> A friend has a Class B that physically will fit a HC zone but she parks
in the out back and uses her golf cart to navigate the shopping centers
parking lot. (her HC tag is laminated to the dash).

|> An aside when we have a ton of stuff to get at Sam's club we order ahead
(we have a business card).  We then drive up to the loading dock and the
Sam's people cart out our 'stuff' and load it.

|> Never tried it at WM but have asked for assistance at some of the other
stores.  Usually as a function of the physical size of the order.
Hustlin' Hank - 20 Mar 2007 16:49 GMT
> |> No it's a natural process and time limited (repeats are possible,
> statistically probable)
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> |> Never tried it at WM but have asked for assistance at some of the other
> stores. Usually as a function of the physical size of the order.- Hide quoted text -

At least you're funny! (pregnant women)

I understand about tour buses and shuttles.

I guess it is just MY pet-peeve. I know there are much bigger problems
in this world. I just hate to see people take advantage of a good
thing.

Thanks for your mature response.

Hank <~~~in denial :-)
David The Hamster Malone - 20 Mar 2007 17:07 GMT
> Hank <~~~in denial

Keep your head above water and let us know when you get back from
Egypt...

David "The Hamster" Malone
Hustlin' Hank - 21 Mar 2007 11:09 GMT
> > Hank <~~~in denial
>
> Keep your head above water and let us know when you get back from
> Egypt...
>
> David "The Hamster" Malone

LOL.........you need professional help.

Hank
Steve B - 18 Mar 2007 15:26 GMT
> "Hustlin' Hank"
>>
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> It is eminently clear you are NOT fighting the abuse but blaming the
> disabled for your lack of understanding, knowledge and compassion.

And you are?

And you morphed from whom?

And just why?

Steve
Dean - 18 Mar 2007 22:35 GMT
>Hank <~~~~ Not guilty, not childish

Blooming idiot, proven.
Hustlin' Hank - 19 Mar 2007 00:04 GMT
> >Hank <~~~~ Not guilty, not childish
>
> Blooming idiot, proven.

Go ahead and call me childish names, just don't call me a lawyer.

Hank <~~~thinks you people need to grow up
Frank Tabor - 19 Mar 2007 00:13 GMT
>> >Hank <~~~~ Not guilty, not childish
>>
>> Blooming idiot, proven.
>
> Go ahead and call me childish names, just don't call me a lawyer.

I wouldn't do them the discourtesy or insult them like that.

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Dean - 18 Mar 2007 22:34 GMT
>Frank Tabor
>The first thing we do, let's kill all the lawyers.
>        -- Wm. Shakespeare, "Henry VI", Part IV

Frank, do a search on the above expression you anti-lawyers are so
fond of quoting.  You will find that, taken in context, it is really
in praise of attorneys.  Of course, maybe that is your intent.

Why is it that people dislike lawyers UNTIL they need one.

By the way, Hank. It is good to remember that when digging
yourselfinto a hole, the best course of action is to QUIT DIGGING!
Will Sill - 19 Mar 2007 00:08 GMT
I see where Dean <roamer@firstinter.net> contributed:

Frank Tabor
>>The first thing we do, let's kill all the lawyers.
>>        -- Wm. Shakespeare, "Henry VI", Part IV

Dean:
>Frank, do a search on the above expression you anti-lawyers are so
>fond of quoting.  You will find that, taken in context, it is really
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>By the way, Hank. It is good to remember that when digging
>yourselfinto a hole, the best course of action is to QUIT DIGGING!

Frank has dug himself into so many holes . . . .

I met a man today who described himself as a reformed and now
honorable man - he retired from lawyering!  I'm sure he meant it in
the same spirit as my decades-old sig:

Will Sill
The Curmudgeon of Sill Hill
Steve B - 19 Mar 2007 05:35 GMT
>I see where Dean <roamer@firstinter.net> contributed:
>
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> Will Sill
> The Curmudgeon of Sill Hill

Reformed prostitutes and smokers and are the worst.

Steve
Frank Tabor - 19 Mar 2007 00:12 GMT
>>Frank Tabor
>>The first thing we do, let's kill all the lawyers.
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> By the way, Hank. It is good to remember that when digging yourselfinto
> a hole, the best course of action is to QUIT DIGGING!

It's a Friggin cookie monster.  It pulls random quotes from a database.  
It's just a signature for craps sake.

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Q:    Why should you always serve a Southern Carolina football man
    soup in a plate?
A:    'Cause if you give him a bowl, he'll throw it away.

Eregon - 18 Mar 2007 02:24 GMT
"Hustlin' Hank" <ninebal310@aol.com> wrote in news:1174160972.408776.130900
@l75g2000hse.googlegroups.com:

> I agree that many handicaps may not be visible. But ANYBODY can get a
> placard. I think I proved that because I have one (never use it to
> date).

Not LEGALLY they can't.

Possession/use of a Handicap placard/hanger by a non-handicapped individual
is a violation of the Law which governs their issuance/use.

Now that you have admitted to being a crook, TROLL, you had best STFU.

Your statement convicts you and your behavior condemns you to the
netherworld.

Go back under your bridge lest you contract a fatal case of diahrea.
Hustlin' Hank - 14 Mar 2007 20:11 GMT
> > If you have to ask if you're handicapped, the answer is NO. Obviously
> > you and the others on here only think you/they deserve a spot because
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> Bad spelling. Bad punctuation
> Good Friends. Good Life

No disrespect, but I think you're wrong. I just came back from my
annual check-up less than 2 hours ago. All I did was ask him to write
me a prescription for a handicap placard. He did and also stated it
only costs $3.50 (which I didn't know what the cost was).

Altho I do have rheumatoid arthritis, I still feel I can walk the few
extra steps into the store to get what I need.

I MAY go get it just to have, but I doubt I use it anytime in the near
future. If and when I do use it, you can bet I will only be in the
store a couple minutes, not walking around for an hour like the rest
of you people do.

Hank <~~~~don't take advantage of the "real" handicapped
Will Sill - 14 Mar 2007 20:14 GMT
I see where "Hustlin' Hank" <ninebal310@aol.com> contributed:

>I MAY go get it just to have, but I doubt I use it anytime in the near
>future. If and when I do use it, you can bet I will only be in the
>store a couple minutes, not walking around for an hour like the rest
>of you people do.

Just curious - is there some particular reason you want eveyone to
know what an a.s you are?

Will Sill
The Curmudgeon of Sill Hill
Hustlin' Hank - 14 Mar 2007 23:29 GMT
> Just curious - is there some particular reason you want eveyone to
> know what an a.s you are?
>
> Will Sill
> The Curmudgeon of Sill Hill

Hummmmmmm..........seems that is a name (a.s, among others) I have
seen people call you too. You, like others, can't accept the truth, so
therefore resort to name calling. Just curious, why the name calling?

If you can't keep up without name calling, I suggest you not enter the
conversation/debate.

Hank <~~~~knows Will Sill wants to be like me. :-)
Jim Redelfs - 15 Mar 2007 01:57 GMT
> AFAIK, "lazy" is not a medical condition.

In time, the "fine" folks in D.C. will change that, too.

            <sigh>
JR
Steve Barker - 15 Mar 2007 02:38 GMT
No, but there's a lot of "my back hurts" whining that can't be proven one
way or the other.  And I'll bet most the back hurts are 100+ lbs overweight.

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>> If you have to ask if you're handicapped, the answer is NO. Obviously
>> you and the others on here only think you/they deserve a spot because
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> aware of, one must have a certificate signed by a medical doctor that
> lists the applicant's condition. AFAIK, "lazy" is not a medical condition.
Dean - 16 Mar 2007 00:31 GMT
I have had severe back pain for 30 years, increasing as time went by.
I am about 30 lbs overweight due to the inability to walk or otherwise
exercise in a meaningful way.  

This condition was insuffucient to get me a placard but I had a
massive MI and that was.  BTW, I am missing the 3 lowest lumbar disks
and underwent 'denervation' to kill the nerves affected.  The pain is
somewhat reduced but I still cannot walk very far (100-200') and I
can't stand more than about 4 minutes.

Losing weight may help my health but won't do a thing for the pain.

That said, just who in the hell are YOU to preach to anybody about
their condition.  f.ck YOU.

>No, but there's a lot of "my back hurts" whining that can't be proven one
>way or the other.  And I'll bet most the back hurts are 100+ lbs overweight.
Hustlin' Hank - 16 Mar 2007 02:50 GMT
> I have had severe back pain for 30 years, increasing as time went by.
> I am about 30 lbs overweight due to the inability to walk or otherwise
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> That said, just who in the hell are YOU to preach to anybody about
> their condition. f.ck YOU.

Hi Dean,

     I don't think Steve Barker was talking about people with your
handicap/disability. I thought we were debating the mis-use of the
handicap parking spots. Someone in your extreme condition obviously
can't park in them at a WalMart and walk around for 30 mins, as per
your description of your handicap.

     I think you will admit there are many people out there that
claim they have a back injury that really isn't present. By the same
token, there are many that can walk around upright for hours but can't
bend over for 10 seconds and a lot of people don't believe them. Only
you can decide where you fit in.

    Basically, I am complaining about the abusers of the parking
privilege, just as there are abusers the Welfare system, which is
another of my "pet peeves".

Hank <~~~~don't use profanity too much :-)
Steve Barker - 16 Mar 2007 03:15 GMT
I'd say your condition was a lot more provable than the type of people I was
referring to.  Sorry if I offended you.  And I didn't even have to cuss to
apologize.

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>I have had severe back pain for 30 years, increasing as time went by.
> I am about 30 lbs overweight due to the inability to walk or otherwise
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>>way or the other.  And I'll bet most the back hurts are 100+ lbs
>>overweight.
Dean - 13 Mar 2007 04:28 GMT
>I have a handicapped placard issued by California, where I live.  Since
>we're going on a trip through several states, I called the DMV and asked if
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
>
>Judy

My placard has apparently survived scrutiny in 47 of the lower 48.
That kid was full of BS.
John Kinney - 17 Mar 2007 15:11 GMT
> I have a handicapped placard issued by California, where I live.  Since
> we're going on a trip through several states, I called the DMV and asked
> if it would be honored in other states - the person told me it very
> positively that it would not - or I could check with the various other
> states and find out their rules...

Only a very clueless person would consider failing to honor a placard or
license plate issued by another state.  The principal authority for the
rights of disabled people in the US is the Americans with Disabilities Act
of 1990, which is a *federal* civil rights law that prohibits
discrimination against people with disabilities.  The burden would be on
the person who denied use of the parking space to prove that the holder of
any state-government-issued placard *wasn't* disabled, not the other way
around. The US Supreme Court has upheld the public accommodations portion
of this law many times, although they have been less receptive to
employment-related claims.

You could conceivably stumble across some state regulations that were
problematic -- for example, Texas used to have a two-tiered placard rule
for people with severe disabilities and those with lesser disabilities.  I
haven't done disability consulting in Texas in a long time, so I don't
know whether that rule is still in force and if so, whether it has been
tested in court.  My guess is that the ultimate burden of proof would
follow the federal law and not the state regulation, so only someone
having a serious bad-hair day would want to take a chance on denying use
of any accessible parking space to any holder of a state-issued placard.

Regards, John Kinney
Janet Wilder - 17 Mar 2007 16:24 GMT
>> I have a handicapped placard issued by California, where I live.  Since
>> we're going on a trip through several states, I called the DMV and asked
[quoted text clipped - 24 lines]
>
> Regards, John Kinney

John,
When my DH got his first Texas card, it was a short-term red card, good
for a few months. I believe the doctor checked the wrong box or the DPS
gal gave him the wrong card. After that his next card was blue and good
for a year. The third card is good for a few years.

We never used a handicapped space until recently. We were full-timers
and always went places together. He would get out and I would park the
car. Now that we are only part-timers, he often goes to stores, doctor
visits and other places without me so it became important for him to
have the card.

It also came in handy during my recent illness as I was incapable of
walking more than a few steps for several months. We were a pair to see.
He with his shortness of breath and bad back pains and me doubled over
from slow-healing incisions. <g> Now that I am feeling better, I'll park
the car rather than take a handicapped spot if we are together.

Hugs,
J

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Bad spelling. Bad punctuation
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Jim - 17 Mar 2007 19:16 GMT
OK, so the next question, hopefully without igniting more of an idiotic
flamefest...

I've got a temporary placard now that's likely to become permanent,
since the surgery apparently didn't work.  In my city (Asheville, NC), I
can park in _any_ normal metered space with the placard displayed
without feeding the meter.  

Here, I do this rather than take a handicapped spot because it's closer
to my destination, or easier to get into (19' RV), or the HC space is
taken.  

AFAIK, this is a city regulation.... but maybe it's state, or federal.
Anybody know?

Do other cities have similar policies?   I'd just as soon not get a
parking ticket in West Bumf**k, Indanaho.

Jim, "Entropy never sleeps; do y'all?"
Frank Tabor - 17 Mar 2007 20:22 GMT
> OK, so the next question, hopefully without igniting more of an idiotic
> flamefest...
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>
> Jim, "Entropy never sleeps; do y'all?"

None that I know of, but each municipality has it's own rules, so it may
be a good idea to ask around the first place you have to stop.

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Steve B - 18 Mar 2007 01:53 GMT
> OK, so the next question, hopefully without igniting more of an idiotic
> flamefest...
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
>
> Jim, "Entropy never sleeps; do y'all?"

You just better be sure of the jurisdiction.  In some cases, HC overrides
the meter, but in others, you pay to park no matter what your excuse is.
It's hard to give you any rules that apply everywhere, as every little
hamlet will have their own.  It should be posted.  BUT, if there's a meter
with no exception posted, I'd pay the meter and be sure.

Steve
Eregon - 18 Mar 2007 02:26 GMT
IronDuff@webtv.net (Jim) wrote in news:27954-45FC3083-148@storefull-
3334.bay.webtv.net:

> Do other cities have similar policies?   I'd just as soon not get a
> parking ticket in West Bumf**k, Indanaho.

I know that it's like that in Houston, TX, and I suspect that it's universal.
NotMe - 18 Mar 2007 02:44 GMT
| OK, so the next question, hopefully without igniting more of an idiotic
| flamefest...
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
| Do other cities have similar policies?   I'd just as soon not get a
| parking ticket in West Bumf**k, Indanaho.

Texas had such a regulation (and may still have I don't know because I avoid
areas where there is a need for parking meters for reasons unrelated to the
meters).

Sometime back a Dallas TV station did a expose on employees for one of the
city/state agencies using HC placards to avoid paying parking fees.  The
problem went all the way to the top of the department.  Lots of hot air,
some posturing but no one was fired much less disciplined.

An aside:  Texas will wave the sales tax on any vehicle that is legitimately
modified for HC use.  The modification has to be related to the disability
and the use of a vehicle. Steps, ramps, lifts, hand controls work.
Installation of an oxygen concentrator does not count.  BTW the credit can
be retroactive.

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