 |
 | Home | Contact Us | FAQ | Search & Site Map | Link to Us |
 | Sign In | Join | Other 45 Sites in Network |
Car Forum / Driving, Maintenance, Tuning / RVs / May 2007Camping in shopping center
Yesterday I saw a motorhome parked in shopping center with it's stabilizers down, it's slides out, it's awning out and a guy sitting under the awning in a lawn chair. This was about noon and it wasn't even at the far end of the parking lot. My only thought was........how cheap can you be.  SignatureJerryD(upstateNY) kind of person that screws it up for the rest of us that need short rest stops. mikeyhsd@comcast.net Yesterday I saw a motorhome parked in shopping center with it's stabilizers down, it's slides out, it's awning out and a guy sitting under the awning in a lawn chair. This was about noon and it wasn't even at the far end of the parking lot. My only thought was........how cheap can you be. -- JerryD(upstateNY) > Yesterday I saw a motorhome parked in shopping center with it's stabilizers > down, it's slides out, it's awning out and a guy sitting under the awning in [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > -- > JerryD(upstateNY) Did ya ever think to go over and ask why? Not trying to be a smartass, but I guess I'm kinda curious as to why someone would do that. I have done Walmart ro catch sleep but have nver setup camp nor have I seen anyone setup camp. Again, just curious. -paul >> Yesterday I saw a motorhome parked in shopping center with it's stabilizers >> down, it's slides out, it's awning out and a guy sitting under the awning in [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >> >> JerryD(upstateNY) >Did ya ever think to go over and ask why? Not trying to be a >smartass, but I guess I'm kinda curious as to why someone would do >that. I have done Walmart ro catch sleep but have nver setup camp nor >have I seen anyone setup camp. Again, just curious. Maybe his wife was on a marathon shopping trip and he wanted to be comfortable while he waited for her. (I wouldn't have done that myself. But then, I couldn't -- since I don't have slides or stabilizers on my Class B <g>.) GB in NC > Did ya ever think to go over and ask why? Not trying to be a > smartass, but I guess I'm kinda curious as to why someone would do > that. I have done Walmart ro catch sleep but have nver setup camp > nor > have I seen anyone setup camp. Again, just curious. You haven't been around much it seems. I see people camped out in parking lots all the time, just as described. I also see pull trailers and 5th wheels with the stabilizers down and slides out and no tow vehicle in site. There are plenty of RV trash (abusers) just as there are plenty of subdivision trash!! Tom J Did ya ever think to go over and ask why? Not trying to be a smartass, but I guess I'm kinda curious as to why someone would do that. I have done Wal-Mart ro catch sleep but have never setup camp nor have I seen anyone setup camp. Again, just curious.<<<<<<<<< I can get enough smart-a.s answers right here, I don't have to walk across a parking lot to hear one. <g> SignatureJerryD(upstateNY) > I can get enough smart-a.s answers right here, I don't have to walk across a > parking lot to hear one. <g> A sure sign the guy is married!!! Speaking from experience! L e e (in florida) I certainly wouldn't pass any judgment then. You don't have a clue as to why he was doing it. SignatureSteve Barker YOU should be the one controlling YOUR car. Check out: www.lightsout.org > Did ya ever think to go over and ask why? Not trying to be a smartass, > but I guess I'm kinda curious as to why someone would do that. I have done [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > I can get enough smart-a.s answers right here, I don't have to walk across > a parking lot to hear one. <g> > Yesterday I saw a motorhome parked in shopping center with it's stabilizers > down, it's slides out, it's awning out and a guy sitting under the awning in > a lawn chair. > This was about noon and it wasn't even at the far end of the parking lot. > My only thought was........how cheap can you be. Some yrs back we ran across a sim situation at a W-M. We had plans to parking over night but when we saw numerous RV's set-up and acting like this was a campground, we left after our shopping. These are the kinds of people that screw it up for the rest and helps insure the locals pass these "no overnight parking" regulations you find more and more often. Know of one town on the coast that will have the police knocking at your door if you are parked in any parking lot even during the day. Doing anything beyond parking and you're in trouble. I bypass that town even when in the car. Mickey Perhaps that action was ok with THAT Walmart. did you ask? Then you don't know. SignatureSteve Barker YOU should be the one controlling YOUR car. Check out: www.lightsout.org > Some yrs back we ran across a sim situation at a W-M. We had plans to > parking over night but when we saw numerous RV's set-up and acting like [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Mickey Steve Barker wrote: Perhaps that action was ok with THAT Walmart. did you ask? Then you don't know.<<<<<<<<<<<< There wasn't a Wal-Mart in the shopping plaza. SignatureJerryD(upstateNY) The other frustrating thing about it too is he probably was had one of those 200k dollar plus motor homes!!! JCB > Yesterday I saw a motorhome parked in shopping center with it's stabilizers > down, it's slides out, it's awning out and a guy sitting under the awning in [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > -- > JerryD(upstateNY) What does that have to do with it? SignatureSteve Barker YOU should be the one controlling YOUR car. Check out: www.lightsout.org > The other frustrating thing about it too is he probably was had one of > those 200k dollar plus motor homes!!! > > JCB > motorhome parked in shopping center with it's stabilizers > down, it's slides out, it's awning out and a guy sitting > under the awning in a lawn chair. Isn't that what it's all about? :) > This was about noon and it wasn't even at the > far end of the parking lot. He was probably waiting for the return of his S.O. that was, no doubt, spending PILES of money in that very store. > My only thought was........how cheap can you be. That's too bad. Signature:\ JR > Yesterday I saw a motorhome parked in shopping center with it's > stabilizers down, it's slides out, it's awning out and a guy sitting under > the awning in a lawn chair. > This was about noon and it wasn't even at the far end of the parking lot. > My only thought was........how cheap can you be. I've once saw a guy during daylight hours discharging his blackwater into a storm drain in one of those shopping center parking lots. Made me furious at least he could have waited until dark. Vaughn > I've once saw a guy during daylight hours discharging > his blackwater into a storm drain On <ahem> that OTHER RV newsgroup, I was soundly flamed for promoting the theory that "one bad apple" can spoil the whole barrel. Translation: This miscreant gives "all" RVers a bad name. I was "checked-out" by a local police officer while draining clear water from my travel trailer into the neighborhood storm drain inlet. I had been flushing-out and sanitizing the potable system while towing for the agitation effect. I foolishly stopped at the drain to empty the holding tank before taking it home. Someone called the police. I demonstrated to the officer that I wasn't "dumping" (draining bad stuff), he bade me a good day and was on his way. I vowed to only drain that type of water into my lawn or at least at the curb in front of my own house. > Made me furious I wonder how obvious it would be if witnessed by a non-RVer? > at least he could have waited until dark. Agreed. Or do what I do now: Dump at home if need be. I bought Camping World's portable macerator pump and life is good, although it's usually used only for RINSING the black tank since the tank was dumped before we last headed for home. Signature:) JR >I've once saw a guy during daylight hours discharging his blackwater into a >storm drain in one of those shopping center parking lots. Made me furious at >least he could have waited until dark. You can't be serious. How would the time of day made any difference in what he did? Good grief. No wonder some people hate RVers. GB in NC >>I've once saw a guy during daylight hours discharging his blackwater >>into a [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > GB in NC Correction, *most* people hate RVers. There are plenty of reasons why this is the case. 1) Too many RVers are bullies. They are so wide they barely fit on the roadway in the first place and they refuse to slow down or move over for pedestrians and cyclists. Instead they blow their horns and hug the white line as if they have exclusive right to the roadway. 2) They are chronic cheapskates. They drive through a town and leave their sewage and garbage at the McDonalds or tossed on the roadside in the form of "urine bombs." They haul their food and drinks and rarely eat out. They take up three or four parking spaces. They try to camp out along the side of the road. 3) Talk about carbon footprint. It isn't right for RVers to be driving around when they're lucky to get three or four miles to the gallon. 4) You can't see around the damned things if you drive a responsible small sedan. 5) Young people are rarely seen in RVs. It seems to be the exclusive domain of cranky old retirees who all have a chip on their shoulders. 6) RVs are eyesores. Face it. Shad O'Shay >>>I've once saw a guy during daylight hours discharging his blackwater >>>into a [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > > Shad O'Shay You're just jealous. You drive a cheapass sedan because that's all you can afford, and you're afraidsome one may be enjoying life instead of being whiny complainer. SignatureFrank Tabor Clothes make the man. Naked people have little or no influence on society. -- Mark Twain >>>I've once saw a guy during daylight hours discharging his blackwater >>>into a [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > >Shad O'Shay I would love to see you provide proof of any of your really silly accusations. Sounds like you may have some serious social issues! >>>>I've once saw a guy during daylight hours discharging his blackwater >>>>into a [quoted text clipped - 41 lines] > I would love to see you provide proof of any of your really silly > accusations. Sounds like you may have some serious social issues! Not so. I am a professional cyclist who logs over 15,000 miles a year training on the highways and byways. Nobody is more rude and dangerous than RVers. They are road hogs who don't even know cyclists have a legal right to operate on the highways. They'd as soon run you over as pass you legally. It's just something in their attitude that makes them think they own the road. So, there's proof of item number one. I speak from experience. Item number two is a little harder to prove but I've seen it with my own eyes. Bottles of a yellow substance casually tossed out a window. Paper trash done the same way - out the window. Face it, you can sleep in your RV. That's one reason you bought one. So why waste money on hotel rooms? Item number three self-evident. RVs get crappy mileage. They produce more than their fair share of pollutants and CO2. And there's no good reason for it other than big egos wishing to drive big vehicles. Item four is self-evident as well and needs no proof. RVs are large, very large some of them as large as buses. Some of them ARE busses. You can't see around them. You can't see through them. Item five it also true. Just open your eyes. Item six I'll concede as probably RVs are beautiful to an RVer but they're ugly to the rest of us. Shad O'Shay >Not so. I am a professional cyclist who logs over 15,000 miles a year >training on the highways and byways. Nobody is more rude and dangerous >than RVers. They are road hogs who don't even know cyclists have a legal >right to operate on the highways. They'd as soon run you over as pass >you legally. It's just something in their attitude that makes them think >they own the road. Spoken by one who clearly does not understand the appeal of traveling in an RV. Sad. Granted, not all RVers are careful, considerate drivers. Nor are drivers of automobiles, or tractor-trailer trucks, for that matter. And the same can be said for some cyclists, who act as if THEY own the road and seem to enjoy asserting their position to hold up vehicular traffic. And yet, some folks are both cyclists and RVers.... GB in NC >>Not so. I am a professional cyclist who logs over 15,000 miles a year >>training on the highways and byways. Nobody is more rude and dangerous >>than RVers. They are road hogs who don't even know cyclists have a legal >>right to operate on the highways. They'd as soon run you over as pass >>you legally. It's just something in their attitude that makes them think >>they own the road. If you believe cyclists have a legal right to operate on the highways by all means take your lawful place in the left lane on I-80. However this website: http://www.massbike.org/bikelaw/bikelaw.htm Reveals such gems as: 21202. (a) Any person operating a bicycle upon a roadway at a speed less than the normal speed of traffic moving in the same direction at that time shall ride as close as practicable to the right-hand curb or edge of the roadway Cycle training methods must have come a long way since my old USCF Cat 2 days. Back then no one could hold 55-75 mph on the flats. The only way an RV can run you over is if they are going faster than you. Train harder. >>Not so. I am a professional cyclist who logs over 15,000 miles a year >>training on the highways and byways. Nobody is more rude and dangerous [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > And yet, some folks are both cyclists and RVers.... Ownership of the road is not the issue. The right to use the road IS the issue. The fact remains that cyclists have just as much legal right to use the roadway as motorized vehicles. Cyclists, by law, are not doing anything wrong when they are operating upon the roadways. If a cyclist "holds up traffic" then motorists should just accept the fact that they do not OWN the road. They have no right to be able to operate at the speed limit at all times. The very nature of traffic means a motorists will often have to slow down for various circumstances. It's the I'm bigger, I pay more taxes, I drive an RV so I have more right to the roadway than somebody else attitude that gives RVers a bad name. Read Trotwood v. Selz http://www.cincinnaticycleclub.org/ and click on the "victory" link and get your attitude straight before you get slapped with a lawsuit you can't afford. Shad O'Shay Shad, In plain English, you are a nipple head!!. Get a life and stop your sniveling. You are a whiner and I for one think that you are ignorant to life, so get one!!! >>>Not so. I am a professional cyclist who logs over 15,000 miles a year >>>training on the highways and byways. Nobody is more rude and dangerous [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > > Shad O'Shay "Shad O'Shay" | >>Correction, *most* people hate RVers. There are plenty of reasons why | >>this is the case. [quoted text clipped - 54 lines] | | Shad O'Shay Sounds not unlike the story of the mouse crawling up an elephants leg with rape on his mind. Way back when I rode a major metro area as an express messenger. In self-defense we all wore international day glow orange jump suits. Got a flash for you sport. NO ONE SAW US and since we were both the smallest and softest thing on the road we had to drive for ourselves and for the rest of the traffic as well. This included transit busses, trolley cars, vans, box trucks, 18 wheelers, cop cars, motor cycles and a few light poles. At one time I flew a rag wing tail dragger with all of 65 HP. There were some really big aluminum birds in the air with me. To stay alive I had to fly for myself and for them. Again because I was the smallest and softest thing in the air. I've lost friends in both arenas because they presumed a protected right. Sad part is they were right ....and also dead right. I'm far from a professional cyclist but I did (notice the past tense) at one time ride cross for the fun of it. I guess I was wise not to claim right of way from all that big metal to the extent that I was also dead right. One might claim with some justification, that since a bike is both nimble and small they are carry more of the 'burden' it comes to avoiding confrontation. Might not be fair or just but it is wise. Shad O'Shay wrote:... Not so. I am a professional cyclist who logs over 15,000 miles a year training on the highways and byways.<<< This explains everything. You are probably one of those a.sholes going 10 MPH down the highway, out in the lane enough so nobody can pass them. Nobody is more rude and dangerous than RVers.<<<< That's you story. At least RV's are going near the speed limit and not 10 MPH. They are road hogs who don't even know cyclists have a legal right to operate on the highways.<<< Cyclists are as big a roadhog as anything on the road. They'd as soon run you over as pass you legally.<<< This may be the only true statement you have posted. You should be up on the sidewalk with the rest of the little kids. It's just something in their attitude that makes them think they own the road.<<< Talk about the pot calling the kettle black..................... SignatureJerryD(upstateNY) > Shad O'Shay wrote:... Not so. I am a professional cyclist who logs > over 15,000 miles a year training on the highways and byways.<<< > > This explains everything. > You are probably one of those a.sholes going 10 MPH down the highway, > out in the lane enough so nobody can pass them. And your fine post demonstrates better than I was able to the arrogant bully assertion listed in the original post. It is a cyclist's legal right to go 10 mph in the traffic lane in most states. In Ohio a cyclist was given a citation by a local cop for impeding traffic and he went to the local traffic court and lost. He appealed to a state court of appeals and won. Please read all about it here: http://www.ohiobike.org/Selz/Selz_Appeal_Explanation.htm Case law, Jerry. Appeals court state law is as good as gold. You'll probably always remain an ignorant bully but you could reduce your ignorance by learning the law. Is it so hard to accept the fact that a cyclist has as much right to the road as you do? You may not like it but you should abide by the law and stop being a bully. As for pot kettle black, I know the law. You don't you and your RV driving ilk don't have a clue as this thread aptly demonstrates. You substitute that big RV for your erectile dysfunction that all the girls sneer at. Your big RV won't ever make you a man. Shad O'Shay Shad O'Shay wrote: It is a cyclist's legal right to go 10 mph in the traffic lane in most states. And it is also your right to get your a.s run over. Only an idiot would ride out in a traffic lane at 10 MPH. And to top it all off, they have their BACK to traffic. JerryD(upstateNY) >> Shad O'Shay wrote:... Not so. I am a professional cyclist who logs over >> 15,000 miles a year training on the highways and byways.<<< [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > cyclist has as much right to the road as you do? You may not like it but > you should abide by the law and stop being a bully. Lying dead in the road is a good way to assert your "right" to the road. > As for pot kettle black, I know the law. You don't you and your RV driving > ilk don't have a clue as this thread aptly demonstrates. You substitute > that big RV for your erectile dysfunction that all the girls sneer at. > Your big RV won't ever make you a man. Sound like you have a severe case of penis phobia Shaddy. http://www.changethatsrightnow.com/problem_detail.asp?SDID=5742:1672 > Shad O'Shay SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com Shad O"Shay needs to get a life. > Shad O"Shay needs to get a life. He will if he keeps taking his skinny Spandex butt out into traffic. Steve >> Shad O"Shay needs to get a life. > > He will if he keeps taking his skinny Spandex butt out into traffic. > > Steve He would die a quick death if everyone stopped responding to his posts! Ron >>> Shad O"Shay needs to get a life. >> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Ron He's morphing, so like a fly that takes more than one swat ........ >>>> Shad O"Shay needs to get a life. >>> [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > He's morphing, so like a fly that takes more than one swat ........ So excuse me please for having a life. Excuse me for traveling around to different countries racing the circuit. It's pretty easy for you to sit on your fat a.s in one spot and criticize somebody who has to get Internet when and where they can in different places. I put Shad O'Shay in the from line just to make it easier for those who kill filed me. If you did it right you'd only have to do it once. Duh! What a bunch of mental midgets! Shad O'Shay On Sun, 8 Apr 2007 16:23:50 -0400, "Ted Bell / Shad O'Shay" >So excuse me please for having a life. Excuse me for traveling around to >different countries racing the circuit. It's pretty easy for you to sit [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >Shad O'Shay So you are now Ding-Dong Bell? Before youe were dimpled Shad. >>>>> Shad O"Shay needs to get a life. >>>> [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > Shad O'Shay There is no mention of a Ted Bell/Shad O'Shay in any bicycle racing publication. Can you say class envying "troll". GILLETTE'S PRINCIPLE: "If you want to make people angry, lie. If you want to make them absolutely livid with rage, tell the truth." SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com >>>>>> Shad O"Shay needs to get a life. >>>>> [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > There is no mention of a Ted Bell/Shad O'Shay in any bicycle racing > publication. Can you say class envying "troll". You don't really think any public figure is stupid enough to use his real name on Usenet, do you? Maybe for somebody like you or Dean who probably both work down at the local Burger King or Pep Boys store, we pros have sponsors and teams and responsibilities. We can't do anything to give bad press to ourselves or our teams. That would be dumb and irresponsible and would jeopardize our careers and those of our teammates. It's fun kicking you jerks around and demonstrating how you really ARE a bunch of ignorant bullies but it's never going to be worth ruining a career. Get real! Shad O'Shay >And your fine post demonstrates better than I was able to the arrogant >bully assertion listed in the original post. It is a cyclist's legal [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > >Shad O'Shay Well, first, this has NO authority outside of Ohio. It's a state appeals court. Second, the court recognizes he may have been in violation of another statute requireing him to ride in a certain lane of travel. However he was not charged with that. So, to state that ' a cyclist has as much right to the road' is rather speculative at best. >Well, first, this has NO authority outside of Ohio. It's a state >appeals court. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >was not charged with that. So, to state that ' a cyclist has as much >right to the road' is rather speculative at best. Shad seems to think that the right to drive anywhere on the road gives him license to swerve in front of a bigger, badder vehicle. It don't. It is called comparitive or contribututory negligence (look them up) in the law and if he thinks a jury will award his estate any money based on all, ALL of the circumstances he has described, he is sadly mistaken. E.g., should he swerve into a traffic lane far in advance of the vehicle that strikes him and the driver of said vehicle could have "REASONABLY avoided hitting him (matter of proof for the jury to decide) then he (his heirs) may have a case. The driver's negligence in failing to yield to the bike shows liability. If, in his negligence he swerves into the path of a vehicle legally within the lane boundaries, he has NO claim and it is, in the absence of evidence to indicate the prior scenario, not likey to withstand a motion to dismiss for failure to state a claim to which relief can be given. The award is in the proof of liability/negligence. E.g. skid marks by an auto much longer than would have been made by a car in control versus skidmarks 2' from the point of impact. (accident reconstruction is a very interesting field) The third situation I can envision is where he is on a one lane road with no separate bike lane, then the auto driver has to slow to allow his driving. The driver must wait until he can pass safely. However, if the bike guy allows more than the states limit for blocking traffic, he may be and should be cited. Again, if the auto passes and somehow injures the biker, the facts (jury) of the case will determine liability. In the law, questions of fact are determined by the jury and questions of law are determined by the judge. I have him blocked so I will watch for his response to be reprinted by someone that can still stand the little prick. Dean >>>>>I've once saw a guy during daylight hours discharging his blackwater >>>>>into a [quoted text clipped - 48 lines] > you legally. It's just something in their attitude that makes them think > they own the road. We do own the road. How much taxes do you pay on your bike annually? Road, gas/diesel, property, tags, insurance, etc. > So, there's proof of item number one. I speak from experience. No proof, just more whining. > Item number two is a little harder to prove but I've seen it with my own > eyes. Bottles of a yellow substance casually tossed out a window. Paper > trash done the same way - out the window. Face it, you can sleep in your > RV. That's one reason you bought one. So why waste money on hotel rooms? why would an RVer pee in a bottle, when they have a bathroom in the vehicle? I think you're exaggerating. > Item number three self-evident. RVs get crappy mileage. They produce > more than their fair share of pollutants and CO2. And there's no good > reason for it other than big egos wishing to drive big vehicles. Same for tractor trailers. I don't see you whining about them. > Item four is self-evident as well and needs no proof. RVs are large, > very large some of them as large as buses. Some of them ARE busses. You > can't see around them. You can't see through them. And your point is? They are all smaller than tractor trailers, and I don't see you complaining about commercial busses. More whining. > Item five it also true. Just open your eyes. > > Item six I'll concede as probably RVs are beautiful to an RVer but > they're ugly to the rest of us. Any you are the ugliest of all. Good thing your mother must like you, apparently no one else does. > Shad O'Shay Why are you here? This is a RV group, for RV advocates and help. Not a forum for whiney bicycle riders to cry because they pay no road taxes, but yet want the whole world to get out of your way while you endanger the lives of everyone around you on the road trying to dodge your dumb a.s. do you really think that a 25lb bike has a snowball chance in hell of standing up to car, much less anything larger. Tell you what, Scooter, stick to the designated bicycle routes and stay off the highways. SignatureFrank Tabor Q: "What is the burning question on the mind of every dyslexic existentialist?" A: "Is there a dog?" I just have to add my part here.... >>>>>> I've once saw a guy during daylight hours discharging his blackwater >>>>>> into a [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] >>>> for pedestrians and cyclists. Instead they blow their horns and hug the >>>> white line as if they have exclusive right to the roadway. RV drivers are not typically professional drivers and most I know do not fit Vaughn's description at all. (Most of his invalid points have been noted and I will not repeat.) If I sound a horn, it is not to scare you it is to warn you as you have not acknowledged that I have been waiting several miles for enough room to get around you safely and not step on the double line (the gendarme from the local constabulatory is just waiting for me to do that <BTDT>). >>>> 2) They are chronic cheapskates. They drive through a town and leave >>>> their sewage and garbage at the McDonalds or tossed on the roadside in >>>> the form of "urine bombs." They haul their food and drinks and rarely >>>> eat out. They take up three or four parking spaces. They try to camp >>>> out along the side of the road. I'll tell you about the cyclists that regularly stopped between the kid's bus shelter and the lilac bush to relieve themselves and throw the grainola wrapper and empty water bottle into the bushes. >>>> 3) Talk about carbon footprint. It isn't right for RVers to be driving >>>> around when they're lucky to get three or four miles to the gallon. If you don't like it, buy Carbon Credits from Al Gore. I also own 10 acres of woodlot that I am keeping in reserve. >>>> 4) You can't see around the damned things if you drive a responsible >>>> small sedan. So... Don't Tailgate and what makes a small sedan responsible? >>>> 5) Young people are rarely seen in RVs. It seems to be the exclusive >>>> domain of cranky old retirees who all have a chip on their shoulders. I started driving what is now classed as an RV over forty years ago as a means to get to bicycle races, with the bicycles, spares and tools required and then have some where to stay as most campgrounds them used to open Memorial Day (it was called Decoration Day then). McDonalds hadn't gone national yet. If I seem to have a bone to pick with a young person on a bicycle it is because said person is treating me as if I am doing something wrong and he has the only right way. >>>> 6) RVs are eyesores. Face it. And bicycles are beautiful - Right? I think my 34yo gmc is kind of cool even if it does only get 12mpg. >>>> Shad O'Shay >>> [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > why would an RVer pee in a bottle, when they have a bathroom in the > vehicle? I think you're exaggerating. The Bombs are from truckers - some of us know this for a fact... >> Item number three self-evident. RVs get crappy mileage. They produce >> more than their fair share of pollutants and CO2. And there's no good [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >> very large some of them as large as buses. Some of them ARE busses. You >> can't see around them. You can't see through them. Per above - Just Stop Tailgating (by the by) that shabby old round motorhome has Big Disk Brakes on all SIX Wheels and I can stop it Way Shorter than other drivers have other though possible. > And your point is? They are all smaller than tractor trailers, and I > don't see you complaining about commercial busses. More whining. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > >> Shad O'Shay Now for the real rant. A_holes are everywhere. If you are going to pick on someone, try having the facts straight before you start. When I was training and still racing (team Legnano) There was no such thing as a professional cyclist back then, even Allan Bell did not have enough sponsorship to cover all his expenses. I was twice badly hurt by the mirror of the passing pick up truck. I was also continuously assaulted by persons on little "ir-responisble" sedans with cigarette buts and anything else that could be thrown out the (roll down) window. Bicycle racing is Why I Had My First RV..... > Why are you here? This is a RV group, for RV advocates and help. Not a > forum for whiney bicycle riders to cry because they pay no road taxes, [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Tell you what, Scooter, stick to the designated bicycle routes and stay > off the highways. If you can't see you way to be courteous and share the road with us, is it now our fault that we down roll over and surrender any rights to you? You really make me wish that the Thermasan unit still worked. Matt Colie Signaturetarget of diversity victim of affirmative action refugee from the war on poverty minimized by political correctness >I just have to add my part here.... > [quoted text clipped - 138 lines] > > Matt Colie I remember you from another group. Do you sail an S2? > We do own the road. How much taxes do you pay on your bike annually? > Road, gas/diesel, property, tags, insurance, etc. Taxes have nothing to do with using the road, you ignorant twerp! The law says who uses the road and how the road is used. The law gives cyclists the same right to use the road as other vehicles. You may not like it but no matter how loudly you and your ilk whine and cry it won't change that fact. But thanks for your reply because it demonstrates my point quite nicely. You RVers are arrogant, ignorant bullies and you have just proven my point. There is one think I love about RV's though - one of them bullies me and I see it stopped someplace it gets a good long scrape the entire length of it from a rusty nail I carry. So watch who you bully. And the next time you get "keyed" try to remember it was a direct result of your being a rude bully. Shad O'Shay >And the next time you get "keyed" try to remember it was a direct result >of your being a rude bully. In other words, somebody does something -- right or wrong -- that you take offense at, so you act as judge and jury to convict them and then punish them with an act of vandalism to their personal property. I've always wondered what kind of people did that. Now I know. Thanks for the enlightenment. I guess I live in a sheltered world. I don't believe I've ever known anybody who would deliberately damage another's property, for any reason.... GB in NC >>And the next time you get "keyed" try to remember it was a direct >>result [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > GB in NC Let's see if I understand where you're coming from. Here you have several people threatening to kill cyclists outright and nearly doing it by virtue of their ignorant, arrogant, law breaking ways. Even if a cyclist manages to not get run over he HAS been threatened with a deadly weapon. And you think that's OK while you are horrified at the thought scratch in a paint job. In other words, in your RV mentality, an RV's cosmetic finish has more rights than a human being. Sick. Shad O'Shay >> We do own the road. How much taxes do you pay on your bike annually? >> Road, gas/diesel, property, tags, insurance, etc. [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Shad O'Shay All vehicles on the roads should be inspected and pay road use taxes. This includes your bicycle. http://www.changethatsrightnow.com/problem_detail.asp?SDID=5742:1672 SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com >> We do own the road. How much taxes do you pay on your bike annually? >> Road, gas/diesel, property, tags, insurance, etc. [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Shad O'Shay And you're a good candidate for road kill. SignatureFrank Tabor This night methinks is but the daylight sick. -- William Shakespeare, "The Merchant of Venice" >> We do own the road. How much taxes do you pay on your bike annually? >> Road, gas/diesel, property, tags, insurance, etc. [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > >Shad O'Shay God you are a smarmy, arrogant muthafukr. >>> We do own the road. How much taxes do you pay on your bike >>> annually? [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > God you are a smarmy, arrogant muthafukr. Not really. I just got to the point very quickly where I don't take kindly to road hog, road rage bullies. Especially the kind who like to try to bully and intimidate cyclists and think they can get clean away with it by virtue of their greater speed. Well, let me tell you something. My Cervelo R2.5 doesn't need to stop for fuel. Bully and endanger me and I'll take real good note of your RV and even memorize the license plate. If I catch up and see it parked someplace I just swing off the road, avail myself of my nice big sharp spike I keep tucked in one end of my handlebar and as I ride the length of your RV there will be a nice deep scrape down the length of it. And you will deserve every inch of it. And I will enjoy exacting my revenge on you. Think about it, you jerk. Your actions have consequences. You can avoid it all by being a responsible driver who drives with courtesy and who knows and follows traffic laws. Shad O'Shay > tucked in one end of my handlebar and as I ride the length of your RV > there will be a nice deep scrape down the length of it. Lets see; according to you RVs are road hogs and by your own admission you are a criminal! Works for me .. SignatureJim >> God you are a smarmy, arrogant muthafukr. > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > >Shad O'Shay Well, since you are not in this country I shant worry. But, if I thought you were on the road, I would dump a dozen or so 3/4" steel ball bearings out the passenger side window and totally f.ck up your day! >>> God you are a smarmy, arrogant muthafukr. >> [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > ball bearings out the passenger side window and totally f.ck up your > day! I doubt that. I've raced on the cobbles at the Paris-Roubaix and managed it just fine. Shad O'Shay > >>>>>I've once saw a guy during daylight hours discharging his blackwater > >>>>>into a [quoted text clipped - 96 lines] > Tell you what, Scooter, stick to the designated bicycle routes and stay > off the highways. Frank, What is it with arrogant pricks in spandex? I guess he has never heard of the law of gross tonnage. If we ever share a campfire I'll tell you a "prick in spandex" story that will have you snorting beer through your nose. SignatureMatt Delete nospam for email "Where did you say we are going again, Dear?" snipped > Not so. I am a professional cyclist who logs over 15,000 miles a year > training on the highways and byways. Nobody is more rude and dangerous [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > So, there's proof of item number one. I speak from experience. snipped > Shad O'Shay Sorry Bub. This points out where you are coming from and makes you the target for any motorist. I've seen your ilk roaming the countryside and hold you and your kind in disdain. There is nothing ruder than a cyclist with an ego and I'll be damned if I see why they are like that. Any a.shole who challenges a monster 8'+ wide and out weighing the cyclist by many tons is a nutcase in my book. I've seen your ilk running three abreast on a narrow country road hogging the whole damn road. You force motorized traffic to slow to "your" pace and refuse to yield to faster traffic. You refuse to ride the safe shoulders so plant yourself in the traffic lane. I don't give two sh.ts whether you have a right to be there, it's just plain stupid to do so. I've posed this question to your ilk on this newsgroup before and I'll pose it again to you. Given a hilly, curvy country road, with no safe shoulder, posted for 55 mph, why do you think a motorist could know you are just over that next rise? Why should that same motorist be charged with manslaughter if he hits and kills you, especially when what you are doing would be classified as suicide by any court if you were a pedestrian and jumped out in front of the moving vehicle. Courtesy works both ways and if you are going to act arrogant, why do you expect a courteous response from rv'rs? As to the rv'r "owning" the road, take your piss poor attitude into a truck stop and pick a fight with one of the truckers, make sure to wear your colorful garb as well, they'll get a kick out of the tights <g>. Don't like my response to you? Too damn bad, you started it. Hugh - a courteous rv'r > snipped >> Not so. I am a professional cyclist who logs over 15,000 miles a year [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > Don't like my response to you? Too damn bad, you started it. > Hugh - a courteous rv'r I love your response and I love the responses of Frank Tabor, JerryD, Vaughn, And GBinNC. Why do I love your responses? Because you have all proven my point about RVer being roadhogs who are totally ignorant of traffic law. For your information except for limited access highways like freeways and turnpikes cyclists have full legal rights to operate on the highways and byways. You may not like it. You may not thing it's true. But that only demonstrates that you are, indeed, bullies and ignorant lawbreakers. I cannot speak for all states but my state of Ohio had a case where some ignorant cop ticketed a cyclist for impeding traffic. Apparently some cops in Ohio are as ignorant of the law as many motorists and most all RVers. Here's the link: http://www.cincinnaticycleclub.org/ once there click on the "victory" link which takes you to http://www.ohiobike.org/accomplish.htm Read the Trotwood v. Selz case results. For those of you who never learned to read or comprehend what you read. I will summarize the case for you. A cyclist was pulled over for impeding traffic. He went to traffic court and lost the case. He appealed it to a court of appeals and won it. Basically the appeals case affirmed a cyclists right to operate on the roadway at speeds the cyclist is capable of operating. A cyclist does not have to operate at the speed limit. A cyclist can operate as cyclist speeds and be totally legal and has the same right to the road as any vehicle. Again, you may not like it but I say to you Tough sh.t Sherlock! A cyclist operating on the roadway does not have to get out of your way because as the appeals court stated it is NOT your way. The cyclist has the right to be operating right there on the roadway. If you wish to pass a cyclist you must pass him with care and you are NOT legally allowed to pass him in the same lane. According to the law in most states you must pass him like you would pass an automobile. You must leave the cyclist the entire lane. A cyclist is considered a vehicle in most if not all states when it is operating on the roadway. The cyclist must follow all traffic control devices and cannot be relegated to bike paths, shoulders and sidewalks. It is really pathetic that ignorant, arrogant bullies who operate RVs are too stupid to read a drivers handbook and learn the law. The response from you and those listed above more than proved my point that RVers are ignorant bullies. You actually thing driving a bigger vehicle gives you bigger rights. Boy are you ever a sorry lot of a.sholes. Shad O'Shay I see where "Shad O'Shay" <shadoshay@elsewhere.invallid> spewed: > A cyclist is considered a vehicle in >most if not all states when it is operating on the roadway. The cyclist >must follow all traffic control devices and cannot be relegated to bike >paths, shoulders and sidewalks. Shad, my child, I strongly recommend you continue to flaunt your "right" to pedal on the pavement. That way, the earth will soon be rid of you. Will Sill The Curmudgeon of Sill Hill Many good points, many bad assumptions. I know in Indiana it is against the law to impede more than three vehicles with a slow moving vehicle. It does not state what kinds of vehicles are impeded nor what is doing the impeding! In California, the last time I was there, it was legal for cycles to ride the line between lanes. As far as I know it is illegal to go faster than conditions allow. So if you cannot see far enough ahead to brake safely (like cannot see over a hill), you are going too fast (there might be a RV'er in trouble blocking the lane). In all three points above, someone can be in the right, but in a very risky situation. You can be 'dead right'! Share the road and don't be an a.shole, no matter how many wheels you have. Tim. Do you receive pay for being a professional cyclist? What are you training for? Why do you train on the highways and byways? Don't you know that's a stupid and dangerous practice? >> snipped >>> Not so. I am a professional cyclist who logs over 15,000 miles a year [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >>> you legally. It's just something in their attitude that makes them think >>> they own the road. > Do you receive pay for being a professional cyclist? What are you > training for? Why do you train on the highways and byways? Don't you > know that's a stupid and dangerous practice? To the first question, none of your freaking business but pro means pay. duh! Are RVers morons, too? To the second question I train to race and to win races. I train for strength and stamina. I train on the roads because I race on the roads. Did you know they actually close roads for cycle races? Stupid and dangerous is ignorant bully motorists who don't even realize cyclists have a legal right to operate on the roadway of most roads. I think it's stupid and dangerous for RVers to sleep in their RVs with the generator running and producing lots of carbon monoxide but it's legal. There is no law against stupid and dangerous. One person has no legal standing to deny legal rights of others on the basis of his thinking it's stupid and dangerous. The point is - stop being an ignorant bully. Learn the law. Realize that the cyclist you see on the roadway is operating there because he has as much right to operate there as you do. He does not have to operate at the speed limit. If you have to slow down for a while that's just tough. Live with it. You are not his better because you are bigger or because you have a motor. Obey the law. Be a responsible driver for once - if enough of you can do this then perhaps the reptutation of RVers being among the worst bullies and most ignorant drivers might subside. Shad O'Shay >Stupid and dangerous is ignorant bully motorists who don't even realize >cyclists have a legal right to operate on the roadway of most roads. And don't ever forget that!! I'm a dangerous stupid ignorant bully motorist. And if you ever forget that, it will be my pleasure to convert you into a roadkill pancake if you ever dare to get in my way!! > >On Wed, 4 Apr 2007 "Shad O'Shay" <shadoshay@elsewhere.invallid> > >wrote: [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > that, it will be my pleasure to convert you into a roadkill pancake if > you ever dare to get in my way!! Sounds like a threat to me. I hope you look forward to spending the rest of your sorry life in jail should you run somebody over. You have just established intent and that makes it murder. Here's your headers and proof of the origin of what you just wrote. Path: news.easynews.nl!article1.xlned.com!text.xlned.com!feeder2.xlned.com!xlned.com!feeder1.xlned.com!news.germany.com!aioe.org!not-for-mail From: stan.birch@hotmail.com Newsgroups: alt.rv Subject: Re: Camping in shopping center Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2007 17:23:02 -0400 Organization: Aioe.org NNTP Server Lines: 10 Message-ID: <ag5813p33rv0l3e5f4mq1a3c0ldku37ilt@4ax.com> References: <45ffdd8c$0$8934$4c368faf@roadrunner.com> <qo37u.e2m.17.1@news.alt.net> <4823131jhmiq3gmesn8eqbtq8e7voesoal@4ax.com> <4612bcbc$0$17996$6c4959f3@news.easynews.nl> <2au513lqp5t5f4leqft772gbmmu3dvoujl@4ax.com> <4612fddd$0$18015$6c4959f3@news.easynews.nl> <1317vbjrihsbc48@corp.supernews.com> <46140686$0$18076$6c4959f3@news.easynews.nl> <BeUQh.18308$PL.7497@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net> <46141431$0$18079$6c4959f3@news.easynews.nl> NNTP-Posting-Host: 3p6AxpkpJfLnesnXz+0kIA.user.aioe.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Complaints-To: abuse@aioe.org X-No-Archive: yes X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.93/32.576 English (American) Xref: news.easynews.nl alt.rv:2293 _____________________________________________________________ Your post is now public record. It will live in the Google archives for enough years to use as evidence against you in any wrongful death or personal injury trial. Your no archive gambit won't save you because I archive everything. Ha ha ha ha! Caught in a trap of your own making. There you go, group, still more proof that RVers are a bunch of sociopaths. I was being overly kind. Bully is too tame a word for you cretins. It's nice to have all you fine RVers so roundly prove my original point about your being ignorant bullies. Keep up the good work. Shad O'Shay >Sounds like a threat to me. Indeed!! Not only a threat, but a promise! You see; I'm a trained proctologist. And that training encompassed the preferred way to deal with a.sholes! Like . . . run'em over and convert them into road kill! No? > I hope you look forward to spending the rest >of your sorry life in jail should you run somebody over. You have just >established intent and that makes it murder. It would hardly be murder, so much as a societal mandate! "Murder" ?? Not any more than swatting an insigificant mosquito would be considered murder. It's just a reflex action triggered by pests. >Here's your headers and proof of the origin of what you just wrote. Are you totally nutz or what!!?? So-far, the Constitution doesn't discourage elimination of a.sholes! > Are you totally nutz or what!!?? So-far, the Constitution doesn't > discourage elimination of a.sholes! It's a good thing all a.sholes can't be eliminated. If they were then not one single solitary RV would be sold. Shad O'Shay >It's a good thing all a.sholes can't be eliminated. If they were then >not one single solitary RV would be sold. Not to mention: having to elect a gnu prezident! >>>Stupid and dangerous is ignorant bully motorists who don't even realize >>>cyclists have a legal right to operate on the roadway of most roads. [quoted text clipped - 52 lines] > > Shad O'Shay Oh, Gawd. He's a lawyer! That explains everything. Steve >Oh, Gawd. He's a lawyer! > >That explains everything. Oh, Gawd, NOooooooooooooo! Judging from hiz sintax, etal; he'z still just a gigantic, gaping a.shole!! >>Oh, Gawd. He's a lawyer! >> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Judging from hiz sintax, etal; he'z still just a gigantic, gaping > a.shole!! Scroll up to ............. He's a lawyer! Everything else just goes without saying. Steve > Oh, Gawd. He's a lawyer! > > That explains everything. It explains everything EXCEPT ONE!! Why don't all you people go ahead and kill him leagaly - kill file, block sender, or whatever your reader uses. Worked great for me and I can't be tried for any crime because I killed him!! Tom J Tom J wrote: >>Oh, Gawd. He's a lawyer! >> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Tom J I just did it. Good riddance to a frickin troll. Hugh "Steve B" | > It's nice to have all you fine RVers so roundly prove my original point | > about your being ignorant bullies. Keep up the good work. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] | | Steve He can't be a lawyer he's stated he's a professional cycle. >Oh, Gawd. He's a lawyer! > >That explains everything. > >Steve Based on his comment I can guarantee he is NOT A LAWYER. >> >On Wed, 4 Apr 2007 "Shad O'Shay" <shadoshay@elsewhere.invallid> >> >wrote: [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >of your sorry life in jail should you run somebody over. You have just >established intent and that makes it murder. You are as ignorant of the law as you are the rules of road right of way. If you are in HIS way and he hits and kills you, it will likely be considered an accident CAUSE BY YOUR NEGLIGENCE. Such can be argued otherwise but your estate better have damn good witnesses that Stan purposely hit you. His comments here are not dispositive in the matter and would not likely be admitted even in the unlikely event it came up. Would you use his comments to "prove" my murder charge? >> Do you receive pay for being a professional cyclist? What are you >> training for? Why do you train on the highways and byways? Don't you know [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > duh! Are RVers morons, too? To the second question I train to race and to > win races. You are not going to win a race training at 10 miles per hour. http://www.changethatsrightnow.com/problem_detail.asp?SDID=5742:1672 I train for strength and stamina. I train on the roads > because I race on the roads. Did you know they actually close roads for > cycle races? [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > Shad O'Shay SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com "Shad O'Shay" < | > Do you receive pay for being a professional cyclist? What are you | > training for? Why do you train on the highways and byways? Don't you [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] | because I race on the roads. Did you know they actually close roads for | cycle races? Pro in this context means 'wants to be paid' not many on the PGA make as much as expenses. Same goes for musicians, race drivers and similar occupations. Perhaps what you do is not a real occupation but an avocation. A paratrooper is a paid professional, skydiving (unless he works for Hollywood) is an avocation. Lance Armstrong is not paid to ride, he makes his living from endorsements. Tour de French (Louisiana) is not much of a prestige gig and unlikely to carry bragging rights much less cash endorsements. Recall the old joke: 'what's the difference between a pro cyclist and a medium pizza? Answer a medium pizza can feed a family of four. But you claim to be a pro and the reasonable question follows do you receive pay for what you do? They close roads for circuses and parades as well does that mean a parade/circus can meander down the highway any old time/way they chose? BTW special events road closures require a permit and often an official sanction in a formal meeting of the local governing body. | Stupid and dangerous is ignorant bully motorists who don't even realize | cyclists have a legal right to operate on the roadway of most roads. I [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] | standing to deny legal rights of others on the basis of his thinking | it's stupid and dangerous. | The point is - stop being an ignorant bully. Learn the law. Realize that | the cyclist you see on the roadway is operating there because he has as [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] | enough of you can do this then perhaps the reputation of RVers being | among the worst bullies and most ignorant drivers might subside. You are carefully ignoring many regulations in your quest to be 'right' in your world view. Recall since you are the smallest and softest thing on the road (road side post are harder and apparently smarter) it is incumbent on you, both intelligently and under the law, to proceed in a manner that assures your safety. Regardless if the other party is not acting in your best interest that lack does not excuses you from exercising due diligence to protect yourself. The lack is called 'contributing negligence' and very well could mean your estate is unable to collect. BTW even if they were able to collect the real income from your avocation might likewise be a significant limiting factor in how much they might get to put in their pocket. >> Do you receive pay for being a professional cyclist? What are you >> training for? Why do you train on the highways and byways? Don't you [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > >Shad O'Shay No one has denied your 'right' to occupy designated or authorized space on the public roads. What we (and not you) are commenting about is the selfish and downright stupid cyclist who wanders out of his designated 'right of way' or unnecessarily impedes other traffic, whether RVs, cars, or semis. You are taunting us with words, trying to get us to come down to your smarmy level. It takes me a lot of control to keep my RV "between the lines". When I see cyclists going uphill at such a low speed they cannot maintain control of the direction of the bike and therefore wander all over the highway, I have NO sorrow for the idiot that makes a thump on the front end of the gas powered vehicle by straying into my space. Remember, like it or not, my space is not your space any more than the contrary. >>> Do you receive pay for being a professional cyclist? What are you >>> training for? Why do you train on the highways and byways? Don't you [quoted text clipped - 48 lines] > Remember, like it or not, my space is not your space any more than the > contrary. Like it or not a cycle is entitled to the ENTIRE width of the lane. Yes, it's true. While a cyclist is expected to try to stay towards the right side of the roadway near the white line, he is legally entitled to use the ENTIRE lane if some hazard such as a pothole, dead animal, road debris such as shredded tire, gravel, broken glass, etc. should make it inadvisable to keep to the right side of the roadway. If you are passing illegally (not leaving the cyclist the ENTIRE lane) then you have committed an illegal pass. Should you cause an accident it will be 100% your fault. Yes, it's true and you'd better get educated before a lawsuit puts your sorry a.s in the poor house. You don't have to believe me. Just do a little research of your state bicycle laws and you will see how correct I am. You prove my point. So many totally ignorant, arrogant, abusive bullies out there. Shad O'Shay >Like it or not a cycle is entitled to the ENTIRE width of the lane. Yes, >it's true. While a cyclist is expected to try to stay towards the right [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >inadvisable to keep to the right side of the roadway. >Shad O'Shay You are dead wrong. Show me any state law that allocates the entire lane to your bicycle while being 'expected' to stay to the right. Those statements are counterdictory and account for the score being Motor Vehicles - thousands, Bike riders - ZERO! Show me the law. Oh BTW, you are losing. First law of internet discussions, when you have dug yourself into a hole, QUIT DIGGING. Dean >>Like it or not a cycle is entitled to the ENTIRE width of the lane. >>Yes, [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > Dean Sorry but I haven't dug a hole. You have. Here is a link to the state of Florida bicycle laws in the form or a law enforcement handbook. http://www.floridabicycle.org/images/LEG2006final.pdf Florida bicycle law is pretty typical of the bicycle laws in most other states. Read it and you will find where it states: ● A cyclist traveling more slowly than other traffic should ride to the right, except to pass, to make a left turn, when necessary to avoid hazards, or when a lane is too narrow to share. A cyclist should ride to the right to make it easier for faster vehicles to pass, but should follow a predictable line. Swerving left to avoid a parked car, broken pavement edge, a drain cover, pooled water, gutter debris, etc., may surprise an overtaking motorist. A cyclist who stays far right is less visible to drivers emerging from driveways and side streets and to oncoming drivers making left turns. A cyclist may leave the right-most side of the roadway when (1) moving as fast as other traffic, (2) passing another vehicle, (3) making a left turn, (4) avoiding roadside hazards, (5) where a lane is too narrow for a bicycle and another vehicle to travel safely side by side. (Moving left in such a lane helps cue an overtaking driver who might otherwise misjudge passing space.) ● when a lane is too narrow for a bicycle and another vehicle to travel safely side by side. A cyclist should maintain at least 2 feet of clearance from a curb or pavement edge. Since the recommended minimum clearance for passing a bicyclist (at moderate speed) is 3 feet (Florida Driver's Handbook) and the total width of larger motor vehicles (with extending mirrors) is commonly 8 feet or more, a lane with less than 14 feet of usable width is usually too narrow for motor traffic to pass. Consequently, where restricted conditions prevent inclusion of bicycle lanes or paved shoulders on laned urban roadways, the Florida Department of Transportation's Manual of Uniform Minimum Standards recommends an outside lane width of 14 feet as the "minimum width that will allow passenger cars to safely pass bicyclists within a single lane," i.e., without the need for passing motorists to use part of the next lane ("Curb Lanes,"see chapter 9 at http://www.dot.state.fl.us/rddesign/ Florida Greenbook/FGB.htm). ● In a lane "too narrow for a bicycle and another vehicle to travel safely side by side" (see "Position on roadway" above), passing cyclists "at a safe distance" requires use of the next lane (see 18 "Overtaking and passing a vehicle" above). In this case, cyclists riding two abreast cause no additional impediment to traffic. Go ahead. Click on the link and get educated. You and most others here sorely need to get your heads out of your a.s. And you need to apologize for calling me a liar. But, you won't because you're not a man. Shad O'Shay snipped > Go ahead. Click on the link and get educated. You and most others here > sorely need to get your heads out of your a.s. And you need to apologize > for calling me a liar. But, you won't because you're not a man. > > Shad O'Shay It isn't us with our heads up our a.s. Of course if you take my advice you'll pick a fight with truckers at a truck stop. I'm sure they'll just love your attitude and the skin tights <lol>. Hugh > snipped >> Go ahead. Click on the link and get educated. You and most others [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > just love your attitude and the skin tights <lol>. > Hugh It's been my experience that professional truckers know the law. They value the privilege of having that CDL and they don't do stupid things that can get it suspended. They pass a cyclist safely leaving the proper distance. They seem to understand a cyclist has just as much right to operate on the roadway as they do. They give the required toot of the horn when they first initiate a pass. This is the opposite of most RVers who, if they honk at all, give a long blast just as they get right beside a cyclist and try to frighten him into jumping with their close proximity. They rarely leave the required distance. They bully. RVers seem to be dangerously immature and negligent and I speak from experience having ridden over 80,000 miles on the road in the last seven or eight years. Shad O'Shay >It's been my experience that professional truckers know the law. They >value the privilege of having that CDL and they don't do stupid things >that can get it suspended. They pass a cyclist safely leaving the proper >distance. They seem to understand a cyclist has just as much right to >operate on the roadway as they do. "They give the required toot of the horn when they first initiate a pass." And where is this 'required toot' spelled out? >This is the opposite of most RVers >who, if they honk at all, give a long blast just as they get right [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >Shad O'Shay I would bet that during this continuing (and seemingly neverending) thread, you have regailed us with "I speak from experience" a f |
Enable EMail Alerts
Start New Thread
Reply to this Message