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Car Forum / Driving, Maintenance, Tuning / RVs / April 2007Parking RV's under powerlines
It could be seriously dangerous: http://www.hanford.gov/rl/?page=664&parent=609 Especially when stepping from the RV to the ground. How many of you have discharge straps on your RV? > It could be seriously dangerous: > > http://www.hanford.gov/rl/?page=664&parent=609 > > Especially when stepping from the RV to the ground. How many of you > have discharge straps on your RV? Another morphed spam!! PLONK > It could be seriously dangerous: > > http://www.hanford.gov/rl/?page=664&parent=609 > > Especially when stepping from the RV to the ground. How many of you have > discharge straps on your RV? Next time we park under a 230,000 volt high-tension powerline in an RV that is over 14 feet tall, and we decide to climb up on the roof, we'll let you know. Steven Vaughan wrote:.....Next time we park under a 230,000 volt high-tension powerline in an RV that is over 14 feet tall, and we decide to climb up on the roof, we'll let you know.<<<< hehehehehe  SignatureJerryD(upstateNY) >> It could be seriously dangerous: >> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >is over 14 feet tall, and we decide to climb up on the roof, we'll let you >know. A friend of mine has the misfortune of living under a 230KV line. We are both hams and he has a 55' tower about 75 feet from the drop point of the lines. While doing some work on his antenna, we took one element off. While swinging it to position it for lowering to the ground, he took a jolt than nearly knocked him out. You erstwhile EE's don't seem to understand that a conductor cutting electromagnetic lines of force creates a voltage. It is called a transformer. I see where Dean <roamer@firstinter.net> contributed: >A friend of mine has the misfortune of living under a 230KV line. We >are both hams and he has a 55' tower about 75 feet from the drop point [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >electromagnetic lines of force creates a voltage. It is called a >transformer. Right, but poor folk with a paranoid mindset can't distinguish between that reality and the idea that power lines are somehow "carcinogenic"! Curiously, I found that the link provided in support of that daffy argument strongly suggested the opposite! Will Sill KD3XR GILLETTE'S PRINCIPLE: "If you want to make people angry, lie. If you want to make them absolutely livid with rage, tell the truth." >I see where Dean <roamer@firstinter.net> contributed: > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >>electromagnetic lines of force creates a voltage. It is called a >>transformer. Was he wearing his foil lined Stetson to protect him from the government mind reading rays at the time? That may have had something to do with it, too. Steve >You erstwhile EE's don't seem to understand that a conductor cutting >electromagnetic lines of force creates a voltage. It is called a >transformer. Actually is is more "induction". There has been a lot of debate over the years of the dangers of the EM field around power lines. Not sure if there is a good valid answer out there in that if it was hazardous to your health (and I am not just talking shock from discharge) then power companies would spend a lot to surpress it because they could be liable for billions in lawsuits. Kinda the same way with cell phones. I have seen studies where the older phone that operated at up to 1.6 watts caused minute heating of brain tissue near phone. The celllaur industry responded but reducing power limit to 600 milliwatts max. A revalation of danger here would put cell providers out of bussiness. When truth about safety battles need for profit, profit usually wins. BTW, I would not park a RV upder a power grid line running 100KV or more simply because the true effects of the EMI from it are not fully understood. ----------------- TheSnoMan.com > It could be seriously dangerous: > > http://www.hanford.gov/rl/?page=664&parent=609 > > Especially when stepping from the RV to the ground. How many of you have > discharge straps on your RV? Everyone is going to die from something. What's your point? Other than the one on top of your head, that is? Steve > It could be seriously dangerous: > > http://www.hanford.gov/rl/?page=664&parent=609 > > Especially when stepping from the RV to the ground. How many of you have > discharge straps on your RV? Thanks so much for your concern for my safety - not that you have any way to know if I need it. It may come as a surprise to you that not all of us "RVers" are totally brain-dead. But, the point of my post is a spelling lesson for you, Clara. To make RV plural, just add an s. To make it possessive, add an apostrophe-s. I'll leave it to your obviously-superior intellect to choose which one would make the title of your post correct. You're welcome. >> It could be seriously dangerous: >> [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > apostrophe-s. I'll leave it to your obviously-superior intellect to > choose which one would make the title of your post correct. And, to make the RV a rudely-driven, ignorant-of-traffic-laws bullymobile, add a driver who post to alt.rv . . . Shad O'Shay > And, to make the RV a rudely-driven, ignorant-of-traffic-laws > bullymobile, add a driver who post to alt.rv . . . Once again based on your earlier statements you mean Motorhome rather than the all inclusive term RV. Dang trolls! Too funny. Carcinogens are emitted from very high voltage power lines also. Its a proven fact. On Apr 11, 9:13 am, DaveInLakeVi...@webtv.net (Dave in Lake Villa) wrote: > Carcinogens are emitted from very high voltage power lines also. Its a > proven fact. Hey Dimwit, why not, for once, state your "source' for that "provable fact?. I say YOU'RE COMPLETELY FULL OF sh.t, but then, we all know that as a proven fact I see where DaveInLakeVilla@webtv.net (Dave in Lake Villa) contributed: >Carcinogens are emitted from very high voltage power lines also. Its a >proven fact. Is this a reincarnation of the often-plonked O'Shea? Hard to believe there are two people on the planet equally ignorant! High voltage power lines do NOT "emit" anything other than magnetic lines of force. These are detectable with appropriate instruments, but not by any stretch "carcinogens". Will Sill GILLETTE'S PRINCIPLE: "If you want to make people angry, lie. If you want to make them absolutely livid with rage, tell the truth." > I see where DaveInLakeVilla@webtv.net (Dave in Lake Villa) > contributed: [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Will Sill Thanks, I can rest easy now!! ;-) I have these hi power lines running down the street in front of my house where I've lived for the past 50 years, raising 3 kids, and I thought for sure we were all goners!! ;-( :-) Tom J ' Is this a reincarnation of the often-plonked O'Shea? Hard to believe there are two people on the planet equally ignorant! High voltage power lines do NOT "emit" anything other than magnetic lines of force. These are detectable with appropriate instruments, but not by any stretch "carcinogens".' REPLY: Allow me to reiterate : Very high voltage power lines emit magnetic lines of force which can be carinogenic by nature ; Ill follow this up with some textual evidence shortly. And please...as a NG regular, try to get along with Mr. O'Shea and all who visit . IT will serve y ou well. I see where DaveInLakeVilla@webtv.net (Dave in Lake Villa) contributed: >REPLY: Allow me to reiterate : Very high voltage power lines emit >magnetic lines of force which can be carinogenic by nature ; Ill follow >this up with some textual evidence shortly. And please...as a NG >regular, try to get along with Mr. O'Shea and all who visit . IT will >serve y ou well. I have finally learned that I lack the skills necessary to communicate effectively with morons. No doubt that is viewed by some as a character flaw, but I can live with that better than I can tolerate the idea of spending time trying to help the wilfully helpless. "Carinogenic" (sic) voltage? File that under nut fringe myths, kook division. Will Sill GILLETTE'S PRINCIPLE: "If you want to make people angry, lie. If you want to make them absolutely livid with rage, tell the truth." 'I have finally learned that I lack the skills necessary to communicate effectively with morons. No doubt that is viewed by some as a character flaw, but I can live with that better than I can tolerate the idea of spending time trying to help the wilfully helpless.' REPLY: Thats a cute saying , for sure. But, read the following for personal education : Power lines causing Carcinogens - Google Search Address:http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=Power+lines+causing+C > 'I have finally learned that I lack the skills necessary to > communicate effectively with morons. No doubt that is viewed by some [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Power lines causing Carcinogens - Google Search > Address:http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=Power+lines+causing+C I followed your link and none of the items there I checked showed a confirmed relationship between power lines & cancer. If fact some, such as http://www.calpoly.edu/~dhafemei/background2.html showed there was no relationship. If you have sources, post the link, not a google search that returns 52,700,000 hits. That's useless. SignatureOwen McKenzie "I just hate it when people quote me and don't give me credit." - Anonymous On Apr 11, 1:56 pm, DaveInLakeVi...@webtv.net (Dave in Lake Villa) wrote: ' > REPLY: Allow me to reiterate : Very high voltage power lines emit > magnetic lines of force which can be carinogenic by nature ; Ill follow > this up with some textual evidence shortly. And please...as a NG > regular, try to get along with Mr. O'Shea and all who visit . IT will > serve y ou well. NOTICE OF DISCLAIMER-------------Any statement by Dave should be taken as proof the opposite is actually true!! Dave offers up no proof, instead wants others to waste their time chasing his "references" > NOTICE OF DISCLAIMER-------------Any statement by Dave should be taken > as proof the opposite is > actually true!! > Dave offers up no proof, instead wants others to waste their time > chasing his "references" Any post from a web tv should be considered a chalk message scrawled on a sidewalk. Steve 'Any post from a web tv should be considered a chalk message scrawled on a sidewalk. Steve' REPLY: And why would that be so Steve ? Based on your personal bigotry ? If i enjoy sitting back in my recliner some 8' away from a big screen with my favorite libation next to me , what is it to you ? You have a bad case of pride and bigotry. And thats a far greater problem than someone being happy with their means of internet access . > 'Any post from a web tv should be considered a chalk message scrawled > on [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > You have a bad case of pride and bigotry. And thats a far greater > problem than someone being happy with their means of internet access . Depends upon the efficacy of your favorite libation. What is your choice of poisons? Do you also, from time to time, smoke a fine cigar? Does your dame serve at your command? If so, you, sir, are a gentleman and a scholar. Shad O'Shay On Apr 12, 5:12 am, DaveInLakeVi...@webtv.net (Dave in Lake Villa) wrote: > 'Any post from a web tv should be considered a chalk message scrawled on > a sidewalk. > Steve' LOL@Dave > REPLY: And why would that be so Steve ? Based on your personal > bigotry ? If i enjoy sitting back in my recliner some 8' away from a > big screen with my favorite libation next to me , what is it to you ? > You have a bad case of pride and bigotry. And thats a far greater > problem than someone being happy with their means of internet access . Apparently Dimwit Dave's reputation as a trolling webtv halfwit has procceded him 'High voltage power lines do NOT "emit" anything other than magnetic lines of force. These are detectable with appropriate instruments, but not by any stretch "carcinogens". Will Sill' REPLY: Followup -- Here, knock yourself out : Power lines causing Carcinogens - Google Search Address:http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=Power+lines+causing+C 'High voltage power lines do NOT "emit" anything other than magnetic lines of force. These are detectable with appropriate instruments, but not by any stretch "carcinogens". Will Sill' Sorry, Silly Will, but you're wrong yet again. Stand under high voltage power lines and you will hear buzzing and crackling; especially audible on a humid or wet day. This is some of the high voltage arcing in and around the insulators and atmospheric molecules that surround the conductor. This arching creates ozone and ozone is a known carcinogen in lower quantities. It is a deadly poison in high doses. Shad O'Shay > Sorry, Silly Will, but you're wrong yet again. Stand under high voltage > power lines and you will hear buzzing and crackling; especially audible > on a humid or wet day. This is some of the high voltage arcing in and > around the insulators and atmospheric molecules that surround the > conductor. This arching creates ozone and ozone is a known carcinogen in > lower quantities. It is a deadly poison in high doses. In recent tests Rats were shown to be effected by ozone resulting from corona discharge of very high voltage lines. However, they were placed 5 centimeters from the lines. Any further away and no effects were found and no evidence of ozone existed. The power used was in excess of 22kV which is higher than most lines. How many people are within 5 centimeters of the lines themselves? Keep trying!! >I see where DaveInLakeVilla@webtv.net (Dave in Lake Villa) > contributed: [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > lines of force. These are detectable with appropriate instruments, > but not by any stretch "carcinogens". You might be wrong. Seems to me high voltage lines can produce ozone. Ozone is a carcinogen. http://carcin.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/content/abstract/10/8/1549 Don't you guys ever get tired of being proven totally ignorant? Shad O'Shay > You might be wrong. Seems to me high voltage lines can produce ozone. > Ozone is a carcinogen. > http://carcin.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/content/abstract/10/8/1549 > > Don't you guys ever get tired of being proven totally ignorant? Ozone causes many health problems. However, ozone is created from high voltage through corona discharge events. Something that doesn't happen with high voltage power lines. Nice try though. >> You might be wrong. Seems to me high voltage lines can produce ozone. >> Ozone is a carcinogen. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >voltage through corona discharge events. Something that doesn't happen >with high voltage power lines. Nice try though. Sorry Miles, but I don't agree. I have 230KV lines 3 blocks from my house. The discharge events make listening to short waves (ham radio) damn near impossible. One I recall was when the SRP (Salt River Project) people came around and found the arcing (corona) and took pictures of it. >>> You might be wrong. Seems to me high voltage lines can produce ozone. >>> Ozone is a carcinogen. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > Project) people came around and found the arcing (corona) and took > pictures of it. I believe Miles meant it doesn't happen with properly maintained high voltage lines. We have a high voltage cross country line about 1200' from us. Although I am no longer active on HF, when I was I never had any interference from the high voltage line. In our prior house I had frequent HF interference from a nearby power line that fed residential lines in our area. I believe power line HF interference is caused by poor design, construction, materials or maintenance and doesn't have to be that way. I sympathize with your problem and hope you can get the electric company to fix their problem. Ron > High voltage power lines do NOT "emit" anything other than magnetic > lines of force. This is absolutely false. Power lines are surrounded by several fields. They are: 1. Non propagating magnetic field. 2. Near field of the propagating magnetic field. 3. Non propagating electric field composed of two elements: a. The coulombic electric field due to static charge. b. The electric field due to the non accelerated motion of charge. 4. The near field of the propagating electric field. There are additional fields due to arcing, discontinuities in the transmission line, changes in the ground conductivity, electrical connections, waveform morphology and tower structures. Fields from the lines actually increase with increasing wind speed over the line. Clara Bingham |
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