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http://www.bendweekly.com/Statewide-News/3793.html An excerpt: "The out-of-state vehicle owners took advantage of Oregon's relatively low registration fees by fraudulently registering their vehicles in Oregon by falsely listing the address of a residence in Oregon as the person's address, commonly known as a "mail drop," on the application form. Also, because Oregon has no sales tax, if a person or business uses a "mail drop" address that is located in Oregon when purchasing a motor vehicle, then that person or business may, depending on a particular state's tax law, avoid paying any sales tax that the person or business would otherwise be required to pay in the state where the person or business is actually located." You RVers don't believe in paying your taxes and registration fees? Just another indication of the RV bully attitude. Bully cyclists who are operating legally on the roadway while driving RVs on which they cheated on paying taxes and registrations. You people are something else. Shad O'Shay > http://www.bendweekly.com/Statewide-News/3793.html > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > Shad O'Shay is there anyone you dont have total contempt for? I love how in your post you always you "you Insert name " in the post putting a blanket statment on everything. >> http://www.bendweekly.com/Statewide-News/3793.html >> [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > post you always you "you Insert name " in the post putting a blanket > statment on everything. Hey, please don't shoot the messenger . . . At least I didn't say "You nappy-headed ho RVers." Shad O'Shay "Shad O'Shay" <shadoshay@elsewhere.invalid> wrote in news:461feaf6$0$18009 $6c4959f3@news.easynews.nl: > please don't shoot the messenger . Why not? Since you are neither Human nor intelligent, have no redeeming qualities, and serve no useful purpose other than as an Al Queda recruit, you should be eliminated as an unnecessary source of Carbon Dioxide by anyone who comes into contact with you. > "Shad O'Shay" <shadoshay@elsewhere.invalid> wrote in > news:461feaf6$0$18009 [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > be eliminated as an unnecessary source of Carbon Dioxide by anyone who > comes into contact with you. Do you think you're man enough for the job? Shad O'Shay (shaking with fright) I am not an RVer (yet) I have gone on a few trips and love it! I love the fact that you state cyclist operating legally on the roadway! Fiscally, how can you not! You don't pay taxes, you don't get a license! So you have to operate legally! (At least on the fiscal side!) But, you still put wear and tear on the roads, you SHOULD pay SOMETHING! Oh, that's right, you DON'T operate legally! Look at all the trouble cyclist cause by BULLYING people! Look at CRITICAL MASS in SF! It has become nothing more than a terrorist group! You should not list all people in a group as bad by the example of just a few people! All of the RVers I have meet seem to be very earnest and honest people, as well as most of the cyclist I know. Fedup by hypocrites and bigots, Mc > http://www.bendweekly.com/Statewide-News/3793.html > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > Shad O'Shay >I am not an RVer (yet) I have gone on a few trips and love it! I love >the fact that you state cyclist operating legally on the roadway! >Fiscally, how can you not! You don't pay taxes, you don't get a >license! So you have to operate legally! (At least on the fiscal side!) >But, you still put wear and tear on the roads, you SHOULD pay >SOMETHING! Now, that's funny! Putting wear on the roads. Ha ha ha ha ha ha! I weigh 135lbs and my Cervelo R2.5 weighs 17lbs. So that's a grand total of 152lbs. And I'm wearing out the roads. You're too funny! As for my not paying taxes, that's bullshit. I own a car and I pay fuel taxes, registration fees, insurance. So don't tell me I don't pay taxes. > Oh, that's right, you DON'T operate legally! Look at all the trouble > cyclist cause by BULLYING people! Look at CRITICAL MASS in SF! It has > become nothing more than a terrorist group! Critical Mass rides are legitmate use of the roadways by cyclists. They are just partaking of their RIGHT to the roadways. They demonstrate that cycles are traffic. Motorists are fond of saying cyclists block traffic but they are too stupid to realize traffic can't block traffic. Duh! > You should not list all people in a group as bad by the example of > just a few people! You say this while making the statement above that cyclists don't operate legally - meaning all cyclists. Can you say "hypocrite?" > All of the RVers I have meet seem to be very earnest and honest > people, as well as most of the cyclist I know. I can't say that I've "met" (from a social standpoint) any RVers. The ones I see are always in too big a hurry to slow down and drive safely and courteously, let alone stop for a chat. My usual interaction with an RV consists of some fat, rude, cigarette smoking, road-hogging loser trying to crowd me off the road, honking his horn loud and long, yelling at me to get off the road, throwing things like beer bottles or cans out the window at me and just, in general, acting like an ignorant a.s. If they are earnest and honest their actions certainly give no hint of it. > Fedup by hypocrites and bigots, Yah, isn't it a drag being fed up by your own self? You can't run and you can't hide. But, you CAN mend your errant ways . . . Shad O'Shay > You RVers don't believe in paying your taxes and registration fees? Just > another indication of the RV bully attitude. Bully cyclists who are > operating legally on the roadway while driving RVs on which they cheated > on paying taxes and registrations. You people are something else. A rather large number of RV's I see on the road have bicycles on a rack. They are not only RV'ers but also cyclists. >> You RVers don't believe in paying your taxes and registration fees? Just >> another indication of the RV bully attitude. Bully cyclists who are [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > A rather large number of RV's I see on the road have bicycles on a rack. > They are not only RV'ers but also cyclists. There is a difference. You never will catch an RV'r wearing pink spandex and a turtle shell on their head like Shad. ":o) >>> You RVers don't believe in paying your taxes and registration fees? >>> Just another indication of the RV bully attitude. Bully cyclists who [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > There is a difference. You never will catch an RV'r wearing pink > spandex and a turtle shell on their head like Shad. ":o) When did Shad start wearing a turtle shell? The last time I saw him, he was wearing a tutu on his head. A Pink Tutu. >>> You RVers don't believe in paying your taxes and registration fees? >>> Just another indication of the RV bully attitude. Bully cyclists who [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > There is a difference. You never will catch an RV'r wearing pink > spandex and a turtle shell on their head like Shad. ":o) But, you will catch many an RVer wearing Depends. Bwaaaaaahahahahahahaah! Doddering, incontinent, has beens! Shad O'Shay Shad O'Shay >> You RVers don't believe in paying your taxes and registration fees? >> Just another indication of the RV bully attitude. Bully cyclists who [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > A rather large number of RV's I see on the road have bicycles on a > rack. They are not only RV'ers but also cyclists. I wouldn't call old, fat people who, slowly and with great effort, pedal their obesity around the RV campground on fat-tired Wal Mart bargain bikes trying to find other RVers who might happen to have extra hot dogs, burgers or chicken on the grill in the hopes of being invited to feed their fat faces, cyclists. Shad O'Shay > I wouldn't call old, fat people who, slowly and with great effort, pedal > their obesity around the RV campground on fat-tired Wal Mart bargain > bikes trying to find other RVers who might happen to have extra hot > dogs, burgers or chicken on the grill in the hopes of being invited to > feed their fat faces, cyclists. Those type don't ride bikes!! They ride mopeds, vespas etc. RV'ers are now all old fat people? >> I wouldn't call old, fat people who, slowly and with great effort, >> pedal their obesity around the RV campground on fat-tired Wal Mart [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Those type don't ride bikes!! They ride mopeds, vespas etc. RV'ers > are now all old fat people? Not all, but most. I have a tendency to make black/white statements because I just figure folks might have enough smarts to realize I'm making a generalization and, as such, one can validly assume there will be some exceptions. But, I just hate always qualifying my thoughts and statements with prefaces such as "as a rule, "mostly," "in general" etc., so I don't. If it will make you happier, "in general" most RVers are retired or close to being retired baby boomers. I think you will find that assumption valid if you check the demographics. And if you open your eyes and take note of most people of that age you will find very few who are not overweight, if not obese. Americans are gluttons. They eat like pigs and they consume like pigs. RVs embody the pig mentality. More, bigger, more comfy, more space for "conveniences," more luxuries, etc. all of which translate to LESS exercise and more stuffing fat faces. The result? Obese people. Admit it, very few people who are in good physical shape could possibly enjoy being cooped up inside a large vehicle driving down the road 8-12 hours a day. They would go stir-crazy. It takes a lazy body to not protest a lack of exercise. Lazy bodies are usually quite rotund to put it kindly. People who are lean and in shape are that way because they are active. They run, cycle, hike, walk and play hard. They don't sit around and drive. They use the energy their bodies produce not energy they pump into a fuel tank. Check out that photo I posted poking fun at some of the subscribers here. http://www.carnadas.org/blog/wp-content/photos/obese.jpg You would think morbidly obese women like those would be too ashamed to put on a bikini and pose for a picture like that but Nooooooooo! They stand there with huge rolls of fat hanging down almost to their knees with smiles on their faces like they aren't the least bit ashamed. They didn't get that disgustingly fat because they exercise or eat sparingly. No they got that way sitting around stuffing their pie holes with whole pies, whole hams, whole fried chickens, whole giant bags of potato chips, whole cakes, whole 2-liter bottles of pop and on and on. What else can people like that do for enjoyment but eat and sit in a large RV and watch the world go by? They can't even fit in an airplane seat. They can't fit in a bus seat. They can't even fit in the average-sized automobile. So, what's the alternative? You guessed it, an RV and a very large one at that... Shad O'Shay > If it will make you happier, "in general" most RVers are retired or > close to being retired baby boomers. I think you will find that > assumption valid if you check the demographics. Then you have no clue to the scope of RV'ing or you have narrowed what an RV is to the huge motorhomes and massive 5th wheels. That would be a rather narrow scope. >> If it will make you happier, "in general" most RVers are retired or >> close to being retired baby boomers. I think you will find that [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > an RV is to the huge motorhomes and massive 5th wheels. That would be > a rather narrow scope. "The average RV owner is 49 years old, is married, owns his own home, has a household income of $56,000, and is overwhelmingly pleased with the purchase, according to University of Michigan research." From: http://www.rvserverdata.com/Content/NavigationMenu/RV_Learning_Ctr_Site/Rental/D emographics.htm "The overall U.S. population is getting older, and people are entering the RV market at a younger age. In this decade, an average of 12,000 Baby Boomers per day will turn 50. What's more, ownership of RVs among 45- to 54-year-olds, the core of the Baby Boom generation, has risen 25% since 1993. That's more of an increase than in any other age group. Meanwhile, life expectancy is also increasing, lengthening an individual's years of active RVing. The bottom line? The total population in the RV segment is growing at a rate never seen before." From: http://www.affinitygroup.com/demographics.cfm I hope this helps. Shad O'Shay > "The average RV owner is 49 years old, is married, owns his own home, > has a household income of $56,000, and is overwhelmingly pleased with > the purchase, according to University of Michigan research." lol, thats a bit different than your statement that most are old, retired and fat. >> "The average RV owner is 49 years old, is married, owns his own home, >> has a household income of $56,000, and is overwhelmingly pleased with >> the purchase, according to University of Michigan research." > > lol, thats a bit different than your statement that most are old, > retired and fat. 49 may as well be 50. That's old. Retired maybe not yet but fat definitely. Look around and make an honest assessment of all the fifty-year-olds you see. You won't see but one in a hundred who's not fat. The women seem to be worse than the men, btw. Shad O'Shay > 49 may as well be 50. That's old. Retired maybe not yet but fat > definitely. Look around and make an honest assessment of all the > fifty-year-olds you see. You won't see but one in a hundred who's not > fat. The women seem to be worse than the men, btw. > > Shad O'Shay Shad, you are not helping YOUR cause (cyclists) by pissing people off who drive bigger things than bicycles. Hank <~~~gonna run a bicyclists off the road first thing tomorrow > Shad, you are not helping YOUR cause (cyclists) by pissing people off > who drive bigger things than bicycles. > > Hank <~~~gonna run a bicyclists off the road first thing tomorrow Why do you all keep feeding this TROLL? Just ignore him and he will die a slow death and go away.  SignatureSteve - Support our troops, bring them home now. Sex is one of the nine reasons for reincarnation. The other eight are unimportant. -- George Burns > > Shad, you are not helping YOUR cause (cyclists) by pissing people off > > who drive bigger things than bicycles. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Steve - Since I am kinda new to this NG, I didn't realize how far off center he was. Now I do. I kinda feel sorry for him, poor thing. Like all of us, he seems to have his own agenda (cycling). With all this pressure (hate) built up inside him, if we don't talk to him, he'll explode and I don't want to see my screen covered in blood and guts. It would be much better spread across the asphalt. Hank <~~~used to respect cyclists, not now. >> > Shad, you are not helping YOUR cause (cyclists) by pissing people >> > off who drive bigger things than bicycles. [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > Hank <~~~used to respect cyclists, not now. OK, if that's the way you feel, but don't forget to clean off all the nooks and crannies under your RV from all the mess. :) SignatureSteve - Support our troops, bring them home now. When all other rights are taken away, the right of rebellion is made perfect. -- Thomas Paine > "The overall U.S. population is getting older, and people are entering > the RV market at a younger age." > I hope this helps. > > Shad O'Shay Yep. Younger! It helps prove your assumption that RV'ers are mostly retired old and fat people is very wrong! Thanks for proving yourself wrong! Too funny. >> "The overall U.S. population is getting older, and people are >> entering the RV market at a younger age." [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > retired old and fat people is very wrong! Thanks for proving yourself > wrong! Too funny. Duh! It means the demographic is getting younger. You have to ask yourself, "younger than what?" Younger than the large group of fat retired RVers now in evidence. You don't know how to read. Too funny. Shad O'Shay > Duh! It means the demographic is getting younger. You have to ask > yourself, "younger than what?" Younger than the large group of fat > retired RVers now in evidence. You don't know how to read. Too funny. It said people are entering the RV market at a younger age than before. Younger people are now buying RV's more so that in prior times. Look at the latest offering of RV's. Many now have multiple bunk beds. Bunk beds for old fat retired folks? >>> "The overall U.S. population is getting older, and people are entering >>> the RV market at a younger age." [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Shad O'Shay I need to tell my 26 year old daughter that her and her husband are too young to own a TOY HAULER 5th wheel for them and their children to enjoy. Where are you going to be next week Shaddy so I'll be sure to not avoid you dodging out in traffic? On Apr 14, 12:46 pm, "Shad O'Shay" <shados...@elsewhere.invalid> wrote: > >> I wouldn't call old, fat people who, slowly and with great effort, > >> pedal their obesity around the RV campground on fat-tired Wal Mart [quoted text clipped - 46 lines] > > Shad O'Shay Just What do you have against fat girls in bikinis? Dont we have the right to wear one the same as our thinner counterparts? Just because we are larger does that mean we should cover ourselves with blankets simply to satisfiy narrow minded individuals like you who think beauty comes in a neat little one size fits all package. BTW, Most of the fat girls I know don't go RVing and prefer to travel by any other means at their disposal. I for one would much rather fly or drive and stay at a comfortable hotel. Regards BR. > BTW, Most of the fat girls I know don't go RVing and prefer to travel > by any other means at their disposal. I for one would much rather fly > or drive and stay at a comfortable hotel. What other means? Cattle cars? Flatbed trucks? Heavy lift military transport aircraft? Shad O'Shay > > BTW, Most of the fat girls I know don't go RVing and prefer to travel > > by any other means at their disposal. I for one would much rather fly > > or drive and stay at a comfortable hotel. > > What other means? Cattle cars? Flatbed trucks? Heavy lift military > transport aircraft? Well aren't you clever. I guess this is my punishment for trying to educate and idiot. BTW what mode of travel are you partial to? My guess would be the short bus. Regards BR. >> > BTW, Most of the fat girls I know don't go RVing and prefer to >> > travel [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > Regards > BR. Ha ha ha! Good one. Sorry, but you left me such a good opening that I just couldn't resist with my jab. ;-) I prefer sailing yachts for recreation. I sail a Swan 68 in the off season which beats any roadgoing RV for luxury accommodation. And it's a sailing yacht so it doesn't use a bunch of fossil fuels to pollute the air. It's out in the freshest air in the world - ocean air. That's something RVers don't like to think about. They are breathing polluted road air the whole time. It's a wonder more of them don't come down with cancer because of it. Shad O'Shay On Apr 16, 10:47 am, "Shad O'Shay" <shados...@elsewhere.invalid> wrote: > >> "Renee" <ssbbwre...@hotmail.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > Sorry, but you left me such a good opening that I just couldn't resist > with my jab. ;-) That's ok, I'm a big girl, I can take it, as well as hand it out. > I prefer sailing yachts for recreation. I sail a Swan 68 in the off > season which beats any roadgoing RV for luxury accommodation. Very nice, sailing's cool. But it doesn't explain your rabid dislike for RVers and fat people. >And it's a > sailing yacht so it doesn't use a bunch of fossil fuels to pollute the > air. So it has no back-up propulsion system at all? I thought luxury sailing yachts that size usually do. >It's out in the freshest air in the world - ocean air. That's > something RVers don't like to think about. They are breathing polluted > road air the whole time. It's a wonder more of them don't come down with > cancer because of it. I'm not going to dispute that with you but over time most RV travelers probably inhale less tailpipe emissions on average than most people do on their daily commute. Lets face it, most RVers ride the open road for vacation and don't sit in bumper-to-bumper commuter traffic in urban areas. So to use your logic, we should all be surprised that people who work for a living don't come down with more cases of lung cancer. Regards BR. > On Apr 16, 10:47 am, "Shad O'Shay" <shados...@elsewhere.invalid> > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] >> > That's ok, I'm a big girl, I can take it, as well as hand it out. I thought you said you weren't fat? Oh, I guess you mean you're not some youngster. . . You sound very young. I would guess you're a teenager who is forced to tag along in your parent's RV hating every minute of it because you can't be with your friends. >> I prefer sailing yachts for recreation. I sail a Swan 68 in the off >> season which beats any roadgoing RV for luxury accommodation. > > Very nice, sailing's cool. But it doesn't explain your rabid dislike > for RVers and fat people. I guess you never read some of my earlier posts. I mainly hate RVs because they try to run over cyclists. They hate cyclists because they can bully them and think they don't belong on the roads. RVers seem to think they own the roads and they don't like the fact that the law says then have to share the road with other traffic. As for fat people, to see them is to hate them, or rather, to hate what they respresent which is gluttony, lack of will power, disregard for living a healthy life, diseases like heart disease, diabetes, stroke, etc., ugliness of their mishappen body, abuse of the human body in general and so forth. I just can't see past that obscene exterior to what inner beauty they might well possess. If they don't have any pride in themselves to such an extent that they shorten their lives by abusing their bodies how can I? >>And it's a >> sailing yacht so it doesn't use a bunch of fossil fuels to pollute [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > So it has no back-up propulsion system at all? I thought luxury > sailing yachts that size usually do. It has an auxiliary engine for powering into and out of port or when the wind doesn't blow but the engine is used sparingly. It does have a small diesel generator for making electricity but that's not run all the time either. It's much kinder on the environment than any road-going RV for sure. And, it can accommodate a dozen people - more than most road RVs. >>It's out in the freshest air in the world - ocean air. That's >> something RVers don't like to think about. They are breathing [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > people who work for a living don't come down with more cases of lung > cancer. True, but ya gotta admit breathing clean ocean air is safer than breathing even the air on an Interstate highway. And you've heard about the danger of carbon monoxide fumes getting into houses so imagine how much more gets into RVs that run generators for example when people are inside. And lot's of RVs get stuck in city traffic when they drive through them. Cities, in general, have poor air quality compared to any ocean environment or even countryside environment. I just don't think people realize how they shorten their lives living and breathing foul air. I sometimes wonder how much asthma, allergies, emphysema, and other lung problems are caused mostly by polluted air. And, nobody who lives in clean air ever gets lung cancer. I don't think there is one documented case of a Sherpa who didn't smoke ever getting lung cancer. (Sherpas live on Mt. Everest where the air is very clean). Maybe you should think about giving up RVing so you can have a healthier and happier life? I'll give you the formula for free: 1) Don't drive anywhere you can go in a timely manner walking, running or cycling. 2) Live out in the country in a part of the country where the air is clean. 3) Get plenty of sunshine on your whole body but use sunscreen so you don't burn. Sunshine is vital for the body to produce vitamin D. 4) Exercise your body so you balance the calories you eat with the calories you spend exercising to maintain the correct weight. 5) Your correct weight will be at least 20-30 pounds below that given on weight charts. Weight chart ideal weights are fat weights. 6) Stay out of motor vehicles as much as possible. Motor vehicles kill and the pollution they make is unhealthy. 7) Read your Bible and try to live by at least a few of the things you read there. 8) Have heterosexual sex regularly because sex is good for you but make sure you have a faithful partner so you don't get diseases. 9) If you have a job in a dangerous, unhealthy or stressful setting get a different job that's healthy and safe and works your body and mind. 10) Drink tap water. Bottled water is an expensive rig-off often lacking in vital minerals and often containing bacteria and other bad stuff. 11) Drink a couple glasses of red wine a day but don't overindulge any alcohol beverage. 12) Don't smoke and avoid people who smoke (secondary smoke). 13) Go to the Tour de France and watch the professional cyclists. Note how these professional male athletes are what human beings should look like and should be able to do with their bodies. Shad O'Shay > > On Apr 16, 10:47 am, "Shad O'Shay" <shados...@elsewhere.invalid> > > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > > I thought you said you weren't fat? Never said that. >Oh, I guess you mean you're not some > youngster. . . You sound very young. I would guess you're a teenager who > is forced to tag along in your parent's RV hating every minute of it > because you can't be with your friends. Age 34. I've only been on one RV trip in my life with friends. Didn't like it, too cramped and too restricting. I told you I like to be comfortable while traveling. > >> I prefer sailing yachts for recreation. I sail a Swan 68 in the off > >> season which beats any roadgoing RV for luxury accommodation. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > think they own the roads and they don't like the fact that the law says > then have to share the road with other traffic. I don't know about RVs trying to run over cyclists but what is with bike riders that ride two and three abreast on secondary roads? Are they deliberately trying to get an a.s full of automobile fender or do they just lack any form of common sense or are they just arrogant elitist a.sholes in cheesy spandex with a me first kind of attitude (my theory)? > As for fat people, to > see them is to hate them, or rather, to hate what they respresent which [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > well possess. If they don't have any pride in themselves to such an > extent that they shorten their lives by abusing their bodies how can I? Don't preach. Even though some of your points may have some validity to them, it is not for you to judge other people's life choices or the personal mistakes they make. Many obese people would choose not to be the way they are but find it very difficult to change. Acting like a self-righteous, judgmental cretin solves nothing. If you cannot see past the exterior of a person or see past their habits to even glimpse what kind of person they are, then that's your loss. Not everyone is going to fit into your neat little mold of what ones priorities in life should be. How can you even presume to understand what other people want out of life? I find your kind of attitude incredibly arrogant and naive. > >>And it's a > >> sailing yacht so it doesn't use a bunch of fossil fuels to pollute [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > air. I sometimes wonder how much asthma, allergies, emphysema, and other > lung problems are caused mostly by polluted air. Many, studies on the subject are numerous. >And, nobody who lives > in clean air ever gets lung cancer. Really? Are you sure about that? >I don't think there is one > documented case of a Sherpa who didn't smoke ever getting lung cancer. > (Sherpas live on Mt. Everest where the air is very clean). Thank you for the geography lesson Mr. Wizard. I don't know about the rate of lung cancer among Sherpa guides but I do believe they are sometimes attacked by Yeti. At least that's what I've seen on TV. > Maybe you should think about giving up RVing so you can have a healthier > and happier life? I'll give you the formula for free: I don't go Rving. Is reading comprehension that hard for you? > 1) Don't drive anywhere you can go in a timely manner walking, running > or cycling. In a perfect world. I don't have that kind of time in my life. If I did I might consider it. > 2) Live out in the country in a part of the country where the air is > clean. I do. That's why I'm so god damn far away from everything so I can't walk or ride a bike. > 3) Get plenty of sunshine on your whole body but use sunscreen so you > don't burn. Sunshine is vital for the body to produce vitamin D. Does that include fat girls? I thought you were against fat chick baring their bodies? So just how do you propose we get some sun? Uhmmm. > 4) Exercise your body so you balance the calories you eat with the > calories you spend exercising to maintain the correct weight. I agree but exercise is for people who don't have 3 kids a husband and a job. For me exercise is a luxury. I would love to take 20 or so minutes out of each day to spend only on me but that would be very selfish on my part. So I have to be satisfied with what I can get. > 5) Your correct weight will be at least 20-30 pounds below that given > on weight charts. Weight chart ideal weights are fat weights. 20-30? I'll give you maybe 5 or even 10! Only hard-core fanatical runners or victims of anorexia are 20 or 30 pounds below their charted ideal weights. > 6) Stay out of motor vehicles as much as possible. Motor vehicles kill > and the pollution they make is unhealthy. Nice sentiment but this is the real America, not some magical land where food appears miraculously in your home without benefit of transperation or employment. > 7) Read your Bible and try to live by at least a few of the things you > read there. Sorry I'm a heretic. I don't need the so-called revealed word of god to teach me right from wrong. My parents did that. > 8) Have heterosexual sex regularly because sex is good for you but make > sure you have a faithful partner so you don't get diseases. At last something we agree upon! > 9) If you have a job in a dangerous, unhealthy or stressful setting get > a different job that's healthy and safe and works your body and mind. You do know some people don't really have a choice on that one? > 10) Drink tap water. Bottled water is an expensive rig-off often lacking > in vital minerals and often containing bacteria and other bad stuff. Tap water???? Ok, if you say so. I agree that bottled water is not always the best but tap water really isn't any better. Most water from a tap is treated with chemicals just as heavily as most bottled waters. > 11) Drink a couple glasses of red wine a day but don't overindulge any > alcohol beverage. I prefer a good beer. > 12) Don't smoke and avoid people who smoke (secondary smoke). Quit smoking 11 years ago. Second hand smoke is sometimes unavoidable. > 13) Go to the Tour de France and watch the professional cyclists. Note > how these professional male athletes are what human beings should look > like and should be able to do with their bodies. In a perfect world. But you don't have to be Lance Armstrong to be fit. In fact isn't he afflicted with several forms of cancer? How healthy is that? Regards BR. > On Apr 16, 2:50 pm, "Shad O'Shay" <shados...@elsewhere.invalid> wrote: >> "Renee" <ssbbwre...@hotmail.com> wrote >> [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > > Never said that. So you ARE fat? >> Oh, I guess you mean you're not some >> youngster. . . You sound very young. I would guess you're a teenager [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > like it, too cramped and too restricting. I told you I like to be > comfortable while traveling. How can you be comfortable doing anything if you're fat? Fat people even have a difficult time sleeping because their fat clogs the throat and gives them sleep apnea. >> >> I prefer sailing yachts for recreation. I sail a Swan 68 in the >> >> off [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > elitist a.sholes in cheesy spandex with a me first kind of attitude > (my theory)? No, they are probably operating their cycles legally according to the statutes on the books. Perhaps you should get ahold of the bicycle laws in your state and read them. I've posted statute after statute here and links to even more. Go back and read them why don't you. Stop sounding ignorant like most of the other people in this group. >> As for fat people, to >> see them is to hate them, or rather, to hate what they respresent [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > the way they are but find it very difficult to change. Acting like a > self-righteous, judgmental cretin solves nothing. Don't tell me what to do. I'll preach if I so desire. I'm not judging. Fat means gluttony. Gluttony is a mortal sin. That's Christian belief. It's not judging for a Christian to state Christian beliefs. And obesity IS a matter of choice. One chooses to eat too much and get fat or one chooses to eat just enough and stay thin. So, I have to disagree with you; fat people are fat because they don't have the will power to stop eating more than they need to eat or exercise as much as they need to exercise. It's a simple equation. Physical law. You can't deny it and claim to be a thinking human being. > If you cannot see past the exterior of a person or see past their > habits to even glimpse what kind of person they are, then that's your > loss. Not everyone is going to fit into your neat little mold of what > ones priorities in life should be. How can you even presume to > understand what other people want out of life? I find your kind of > attitude incredibly arrogant and naive. Their body tells me what kind of person they are. If they are fit and healthy, it tells me they care about keeping their temple holy. They appreciate their gift from God. They don't go about destroying it by gluttonous behavior. If they are obese and diseased, it tells me they don't give a hoot about keeping their temple holy. Fat people are sinners against God. There's no other way a rational Godly person can view it. >>And, nobody who lives >> in clean air ever gets lung cancer. > > Really? Are you sure about that? Positive! Lung cancer is caused by airborne irritants. > Thank you for the geography lesson Mr. Wizard. I don't know about the > rate of lung cancer among Sherpa guides but I do believe they are > sometimes attacked by Yeti. At least that's what I've seen on TV. Now, whose being arrogant and judgmental? ;-) And, you must be an Art Bell fan if you believe that bigfoot and yeti garbage . . . >> Maybe you should think about giving up RVing so you can have a >> healthier >> and happier life? I'll give you the formula for free: >> > I don't go Rving. Is reading comprehension that hard for you? No, but why are you here if you don't RV from time to time? >> 1) Don't drive anywhere you can go in a timely manner walking, >> running >> or cycling. > > In a perfect world. I don't have that kind of time in my life. If I > did I might consider it. You have as much time as anybody else has. You have 24 hours each and every day. It's your choice as to how you use them. So don't try to sell me that lame old excuse about not having enough time. I ain't gonna buy it. >> 2) Live out in the country in a part of the country where the air is >> clean. > > I do. That's why I'm so god damn far away from everything so I can't > walk or ride a bike. It's easy enough to ride a bicycle twenty or thirty miles a day to commute to and from work. How far from work do you live? If over fifty miles than stay out in the country but get closer to your job or get a job closer to where you live. It's a matter of choice yet again. >> 3) Get plenty of sunshine on your whole body but use sunscreen so >> you [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > baring their bodies? So just how do you propose we get some sun? > Uhmmm. That's another good thing about living out in the country. You can get out in the back yard with your bikini or even nekid and nobody is gonna have to look at you if you're fat. And if you're thin, sexy and fit people who see you will thank God for His creation abilities in making such beauty and putting a brain into that head that also appreciates the God-given beauty and consequently does not abuse it into obesity. >> 4) Exercise your body so you balance the calories you eat with the >> calories you spend exercising to maintain the correct weight. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > minutes out of each day to spend only on me but that would be very > selfish on my part. So I have to be satisfied with what I can get. Well, then DO IT. You deserve at least an hour a day JUST FOR YOURSELF. Make the old man take care of the kids for an hour and give yourself an hour a day all for yourself to exercise or read or do whatever else floats your boat as long as it's a healthy pursuit that will improve mind or body. >> 5) Your correct weight will be at least 20-30 pounds below that >> given [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > runners or victims of anorexia are 20 or 30 pounds below their charted > ideal weights. Well, I guess I'm talking world class cyclists here. You've seen Lance Armstrong, I'm sure. He's 5' 9" and weighs 150 in competitive trim. He'll sometimes loose up to fifteen pounds during the Tour. A 5'6" competitive cyclist comes in between 125 and 135 pounds. The charts say that height should weigh 150 or so and Lance 170 or so. Too much weight. It hurts performance. For running, cycling and other extreme aerobic exercise one needs to have a very low percentage of body fat. 5% max for men. Maybe 10% for women or else they have menstrual problems because of a hormone imbalance. Have you seen the bodies on those models the Italians want to ban from the runways? They call them skinny, anorexic. Bah! To me they look perfect. That's how any young woman SHOULD look. It's only the fatties trying to make themselves look better in their own eye when they call normal weight people skinny or anorexic. Look at it this way. I, as a pro cyclist I can go faster and last longer than any terrestrial animal on earth. I can go faster than a Cheetah, I can put a greyhound to shame for speed and endurance. I can wear out and leave miles behind any Iditarod sled dog which is one of the toughest animals on earth. Thoroughbred horses are a joke either for sprinting or long distance. God made humans to be the best. You can't be the best when you're fat. >> 6) Stay out of motor vehicles as much as possible. Motor vehicles >> kill [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > where food appears miraculously in your home without benefit of > transperation or employment. You live out in the country. What about a garden? Honestly, you women seem to be clueless. >> 7) Read your Bible and try to live by at least a few of the things >> you >> read there. > > Sorry I'm a heretic. I don't need the so-called revealed word of god > to teach me right from wrong. My parents did that. I'll pray for you. You may not need the word of God to know right and wrong but you DO need it to have eternal life. If you like to read please get ahold of a Bible and read the New Testament at least. Please do and try to get a King James version as it's the most accurate. >> 8) Have heterosexual sex regularly because sex is good for you but >> make >> sure you have a faithful partner so you don't get diseases. > > At last something we agree upon! Well, at least you aren't completely hopeless . . . >> 9) If you have a job in a dangerous, unhealthy or stressful setting >> get >> a different job that's healthy and safe and works your body and mind. > > You do know some people don't really have a choice on that one? You always have a choice as long as you draw breath. Don't you ever forget it. >> 10) Drink tap water. Bottled water is an expensive rig-off often >> lacking [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > a tap is treated with chemicals just as heavily as most bottled > waters. Tap water has to meet or exceed strict standards for purity. Bottled water does not. >> 11) Drink a couple glasses of red wine a day but don't overindulge >> any >> alcohol beverage. > > I prefer a good beer. Beer is good for you but you tend to drink too much and beer has lot's of calories. >> 12) Don't smoke and avoid people who smoke (secondary smoke). > > Quit smoking 11 years ago. Second hand smoke is sometimes unavoidable. Second hand smoke is never unavoidable. The minute you smell it, hold your breath and get out. Congrats for quitting but bad on you for starting in the first place. Smoking is like overeating. Strictly a matter of choice. >> 13) Go to the Tour de France and watch the professional cyclists. >> Note [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > fit. In fact isn't he afflicted with several forms of cancer? How > healthy is that? Agreed. One can carry more weight than Lance and be healthy. But, one can not be obese and be healthy. Lance had testicular cancer. It metasticized and spread to his lungs and brain. By all rights he should be dead. He let it go way too long before attending to it. But he's one tough little mofo. He had brain operations and they took the tumors out. He had searing chemicals to burn it out of his lungs that would have killed any two normal people. He went this route because he didn't want to give up professional cycling which he would have had to do if he had parts of his lungs surgically removed. He had the cancerous testicle removed. He's been cancer free now for five or six years. He's blessed. God put him here for a reason - to be the best. To be an example to others about staying power and what the human body can do even when ravaged by disease. An example how it's a sin to take any gift from God for granted. Shad O'Shay >You RVers don't believe in paying your taxes and registration fees? Just >another indication of the RV bully attitude. Bully cyclists who are >operating legally on the roadway while driving RVs on which they cheated >on paying taxes and registrations. You people are something else. This is not unique to RVers. There sevearal bussiness that are incorprated in Wyoming that do not even have a office there because of low state corprate tax. In my area alone there is a lmoservice that does this and they are far from Wyoming and have no limos there either. ----------------- TheSnoMan.com "SnoMan" <admin@snoman.com> | >You RVers don't believe in paying your taxes and registration fees? Just | >another indication of the RV bully attitude. Bully cyclists who are [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] | does this and they are far from Wyoming and have no limos there | either. How many corporations are 'based' in Delaware? At one time (before the EXXON Valdese) all of Exxon's tankers were registered in Liberia. >"SnoMan" <admin@snoman.com> > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >How many corporations are 'based' in Delaware? At one time (before the >EXXON Valdese) all of Exxon's tankers were registered in Liberia. I think the point is that do not blame the people that exploit these loop holes but rather the politicians that create them in the first place. ----------------- TheSnoMan.com > http://www.bendweekly.com/Statewide-News/3793.html > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > Shad O'Shay Sorry to burst your bubble. More than one states does and allows this. I happen to live in one of them. Montana. >> http://www.bendweekly.com/Statewide-News/3793.html >> [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > Sorry to burst your bubble. More than one states does and allows this. > I happen to live in one of them. Montana. You fail to see the point. The point is you hypocrite RVers go around saying cyclists don't pay their "fair share" of road taxes, etc. all the while you guys ACTIVELY cheat on your obligation to pay your fair share. Don't you see the hypocrisy of it? Shad O'Shay > You fail to see the point. The point is you hypocrite RVers go around > saying cyclists don't pay their "fair share" of road taxes, etc. all the > while you guys ACTIVELY cheat on your obligation to pay your fair share. > Don't you see the hypocrisy of it? > > Shad O'Shay Hey I never said that. No. I don't see your point. I pay fuel taxes, lots of them since I travel a lot. I also pay income taxes in two states. Michelle >> You fail to see the point. The point is you hypocrite RVers go around >> saying cyclists don't pay their "fair share" of road taxes, etc. all [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Michelle One exception does not a rule make. Shad O'Shay > 49 may as well be 50. That's old. Retired maybe not yet but fat > definitely. Look around and make an honest assessment of all the > fifty-year-olds you see. You won't see but one in a hundred who's not > fat. The women seem to be worse than the men, btw. > > Shad O'Shay Well, if you had ever spread your legs and popped out babies, then let them suckle your breasts until they ran dry, you'd be fat and your breasts would sag too. I've seen both young and old obese men (carrying quadruplets perhaps) who make pregnant women look like a small cantelope...! BTW, I'm not old, fat or retired, but I'm a full time female RVer and happily so. I'm not rude, I don't throw beer cans out the window nor do I demonstrate any of the tendencies or fit the derogatory descriptions mentioned on this thread. You people and your stereotypes...your ignorance speaks VOLUMES for itself! B. >> 49 may as well be 50. That's old. Retired maybe not yet but fat >> definitely. Look around and make an honest assessment of all the [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > B. Turnabout is fair play. It's been apparent from the very start when I first posted here that RVers in general stereotyped cyclists as operating illegally on the roadways so I proceeded to post laws that proved their biased ignorance. It's also been apparent from the start how most RVers have a bully attitude toward cyclists and several even threatened murder which really proved my point. It's also been aptly demonstrated how RVers look at cyclists as Spandex wearing weasels and faggots. Their comments have proven their arrogance, ignorance and bully tendencies. Not to mention their homophobia. Not a very good slice of humanity if you ask me. So, if I make a generalization that RVers are old and obese, is that so terrible compared to what you RVers say about cyclists? Hardly. I am sure there are two or three very attractive female RVers out there. Maybe you are one of them. But if you've "popped out kids" you probably have unsightly stretch marks that would turn a man off? And what about that apeaseotomy thing? But you are right about obese men. There is NO excuse for it. Obese men are disgusting pigs. Women, at least, have a partial excuse since pregnancy tends to gain them extra weight that's difficult to remove. But, some moms I've seen look pretty darned sexy. You look at them and have to conclude "Everything works." And, you see they have pride in being a woman. You get this urge to jump their bones. They can be a mom and a desirable sex partner to even the younger studs such as myself but any real married mom would never jump in bed with a younger stud athlete and violate her marriage vows. But, still, what a compliment for a mom to know she's still so hot that young studs lust after her. Maybe you are one of those? If so, you're one in a million. If so, post a picture or a link to one. Shad O'Shay > Maybe you are one of those? If so, you're one in a million. If so, post > a picture or a link to one. > > Shad O'Shay Sorry to dissapoint, but no link no pic...that's not why I subsribe to this list. BTW, I too am a cyclist and a motorcyclist...and I'm in pretty good shape too! Have a great day! B. >> Maybe you are one of those? If so, you're one in a million. If so, >> post [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Have a great day! What kind of motorcycle do you ride? I hope you're cool and ride rice. w.nkers ride Harleys! Heavy, loud, ugly poor handling and performance. Gross! What kind of cycle do you ride? Mountain bike or road bike? Brand? You sound HOT! Please give a homesick, Ohio country boy a break. One little picture. It doesn't have to be a nekid picture - just something revealing. I love to see young women who are in shape. It's a rarity these days. Shad O'Shay |
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