 |
 | Home | Contact Us | FAQ | Search & Site Map | Link to Us |
 | Sign In | Join | Other 45 Sites in Network |
Car Forum / Driving, Maintenance, Tuning / RVs / April 2007RV Wholesalers mid-Ohio
Anyone purchased a unit recently from this organization? They advertise deep discounts online - looks good enough to grab my interest. I live 450 miles away, so would have to deal via phone. Any FB appreciated! I live in northern Ohio but would be interested in what they have. Do you have a link? Steve www.wolfswords.com under the motorhome link >I live in northern Ohio but would be interested in what they have. Do you >have a link? > > Steve This might be them. They're in Ohio anyway. http://www.rvwholesalers.com/index.php >Anyone purchased a unit recently from this organization? They >advertise deep discounts online - looks good enough to grab my >interest. I live 450 miles away, so would have to deal via phone. A rather transparent sock-puppet spamming effort on the part of an obviously unscrupulous retailer pretending to be a wholesaler!! This spam comes directly from the dealer! There is nothing unusual about the prices offerred by this con-artist compared to any other retail dealer. The entire effort is an unconscionable con-job! Stan Birch Newmarket, Ontario How did you determine that? Did you trace the message to the organization or what? >>Anyone purchased a unit recently from this organization? They >>advertise deep discounts online - looks good enough to grab my [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > Stan Birch > Newmarket, Ontario >How did you determine that? Did you trace the message to the organization >or what? Apart from the primary clue, that a retailer was claiming to be a wholesaler, which was transparently not true; I ran a google check to merely confirm, that the OP has never heretofore existed on the internet, other than for the purpose of of spamming his own RV business. >>How did you determine that? Did you trace the message to the organization >>or what? [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > internet, other than for the purpose of of spamming his own RV > business. So, the Ohio retailer uses a Rochester NY web provider? Seems odd. >>>How did you determine that? Did you trace the message to the organization >>>or what? [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > >So, the Ohio retailer uses a Rochester NY web provider? Seems odd. It was posted through Google. Doesn't Google allow reply address spoofing?  SignatureAl Balmer Sun City, AZ >>So, the Ohio retailer uses a Rochester NY web provider? Seems odd. >> > It was posted through Google. Doesn't Google allow reply address > spoofing? Yep. I wasn't paying attention. Looks like a Spam Troll... No way I'd ever give business to a spam troll...worse than a greasy backlot used car saleman. >>>> How did you determine that? Did you trace the message to the >>>> organization or what? [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > It was posted through Google. Doesn't Google allow reply address > spoofing? It was posted through Google but still shows a RoadRunner NNTP posting IP. Unless they spoofed that as well. SignatureKevin W. Miller http://www.bluemoongemworks.com/rv/index.asp >>>>> How did you determine that? Did you trace the message to the >>>>> organization or what? [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >It was posted through Google but still shows a RoadRunner NNTP posting IP. >Unless they spoofed that as well. Could have, but less likely. I didn't bother to look up the IP. I don't know how Steve came up with Rochester, though. RR is headquartered in VA, I think. I didn't think anything about it at first, because the only contact I've had with RoadRunner *was* in Rochester, NY. (I did a fair amount of work for Time Warner there, and they provided RR.) Anyhow, jerw seems to be legitimate. I don't know why Stan couldn't find other postings by him. I do agree that judging by the website http://www.rvwholesalers.com/index.php , I'd be very wary about doing business with this company. SignatureAl Balmer Sun City, AZ > > [quoted text clipped - 42 lines] > > The RV dealer here is one of the largest in the state. But he must order several of the same RV to obtain them from the factory. He can obtain them in a lesser number from another dealer, which would make that other dealer a wholesale dealer. Wouldn't it? SignatureBILL P. Just Me & DOG -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com >>>>How did you determine that? Did you trace the message to the organization >>>>or what? [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >It was posted through Google. Doesn't Google allow reply address >spoofing? Yes. you can put in any email address you want to. *HOWEVER*, you _cannot_ spoof the IP address that is in the google-supplied headers. In the case of the OP, that IP address is a residentail connection in the Rochester NY area. Anyone with basic technical skills can verify that. Look at the 'full headers' for the article. Note the "NNTP-Posting-Host" line, and the IP address listed (66.67.135.136). do a 'reverse DNS' look-up on that address. You get "cpe-66-67-135-136.rochester.res.rr.com". That is _residential_ service, in the Rochester, NY area. Stan _is_ entitled to his opinion -- he might even be right. The hard facts, however. don't provide much support for his assertation. >Yes. you can put in any email address you want to. > >*HOWEVER*, you _cannot_ spoof the IP address that is in the google-supplied >headers. Sure you can. Trivially easily. >In the case of the OP, that IP address is a residentail connection in the >Rochester NY area. Anyone with basic technical skills can verify that. >Look at the 'full headers' for the article. Note the "NNTP-Posting-Host" >line, and the IP address listed (66.67.135.136). do a 'reverse DNS' look-up >on that address. You get "cpe-66-67-135-136.rochester.res.rr.com". That is >_residential_ service, in the Rochester, NY area. That doesn't show you where the OP is. It simply shows you where the post hit the big Internet Cloud. The most trivial way is to use a national ISP like NetZero or PeoplePC, consult their POP list and make a long distance dial-up call to another city. A more sophisticated approach uses a circuitous route through multiple NAT gateways. I can, for example, VPN to a friend's cable modem system in another city and go out through his wireless gateway to a free hotspot that he maintains a connection with. My post would appear to originate at the hot spot. >Stan _is_ entitled to his opinion -- he might even be right. Stan has issues.... He occasionally goes off like that, seemingly in an irrational direction. >The hard facts, however. don't provide much support for his assertation. Neither do yours. I can't see anything in the OP's post to convince me either way on the spam issue. John --- John De Armond See my website for my current email address http://www.neon-john.com Cleveland, Occupied TN All great things are simple and many can be expressed in single words: Freedom, Justice, Honor, Duty, Mercy, Hope. -Churchill >>Yes. you can put in any email address you want to. >> >>*HOWEVER*, you _cannot_ spoof the IP address that is in the google-supplied >>headers. > >Sure you can. Trivially easily. You don't know what you're talking about, or you are using a "different" meaning of 'spoof', than what network professionals mean by the term. The address listed in the headers is *guaranteed* to be the address of the machine that connected to Google. Yes, it is possible that that machine was a 'relay', and not the 'point of origin'. But _HIGHLY_unlikely_, given the characteristics of the IP address involved >>In the case of the OP, that IP address is a residentail connection in the >>Rochester NY area. Anyone with basic technical skills can verify that. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >That doesn't show you where the OP is. It simply shows you where the >post hit the big Internet Cloud. I'll agree that it is not _absolutely_ certain, but i'll bet $1000 to your $1 that it _is_ the OP's actual location. There are two ways the OP could be 'somewhere else'. Both require a degree of technical sophistication with regard to Internet technology such that the perpetrator would _know_ the reception the 'fake recommendation' posting gets.` Of those two methods, one requires the active 'co-operation' (or 'collusion', if you prefer) of the party who operates the gear at the address Google saw, The other involves a Federal felony. Someone going that route would't do just a single posting. They would hit -every- 'somewhat releant' newsgroup. >The most trivial way is to use a national ISP like NetZero or >PeoplePC, consult their POP list and make a long distance dial-up call >to another city. So what? If they did that, the address would _not_ identify itself as eqipment installed _at_the_customer_location_ of a RESIDENTIAL service customer. >>Stan _is_ entitled to his opinion -- he might even be right. >> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >Neither do yours. I can't see anything in the OP's post to convince >me either way on the spam issue. Extensive experience with Roadrunner's naminng conventions helps. (And of their policies -- notably that of forbidding _any_ servers (of any sort -- including VPN destination) on their residetial acounts. Over a decade of _running_ newsservers helps. As does the knowledge from actually talking with a number of such bozos who _did_ 'referral spam' through my systems. >>>Yes. you can put in any email address you want to. >>> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >You don't know what you're talking about, or you are using a "different" >meaning of 'spoof', than what network professionals mean by the term. I don't know if I'm a professional or not but I did contribute to Karn Kode (the first IP stack available open source under DOS). And ported the BSD stack into various AT&T kernels. And set up cluster computing to compete with IBM's midline long before either TCP/IP, sockets or the internet entered the lexicon. And owned and operated one of the first commercial ISPs in the country (dixie.com). I kinda thought I did a pretty good job but I don't know if I was "professional" or not. >The address listed in the headers is *guaranteed* to be the address of the >machine that connected to Google. Actually it isn't. All the spoofer has to do is be in the same subnet so that his packets will be routed properly. >Yes, it is possible that that machine was a 'relay', and not the 'point of >origin'. But _HIGHLY_unlikely_, given the characteristics of the IP [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >>>on that address. You get "cpe-66-67-135-136.rochester.res.rr.com". That is >>>_residential_ service, in the Rochester, NY area. I don't care about this guy, as he wasn't a spammer. I'm picking nits with you. All that DNS and IP address show is that he hit the cloud through a roadrunner connection. That does NOT show where he was located. Trivial example. I ran a long range WiFi link to an employee's house across town for several years. Her packets showed up as hitting the cloud here in downtown cleveland but most assuredly was NOT where she was located. Another trivial example. I have a dialup account with NetZero (not the real company I have one with but that'll do) for traveling. I'm sitting here in Cleveland but I want to spam. I dial up a CA POP and connect over long distance. Your little reverse DNS shows me in CA. Wrong. Yet another trivial example. I put my laptop and my Wifi transceiver in my car and drive to Chattanooga. I find an open hotspot and transmit my spam. Reverse DNS tells you nothing about where I am or who I am. Slightly less trivial example. I have an open Wifi node and so does my friend and neighbor. We arrange to interconnect so that he can send traffic out my node and vice versa. He gets on the net via a hot spot in, say, CA and tunnels in to his machine from there. He goes out over the local WiFi to my machine and back onto the internet. His packets originate in CA but they look like they came from behind my NAT. >>That doesn't show you where the OP is. It simply shows you where the >>post hit the big Internet Cloud. > >I'll agree that it is not _absolutely_ certain, but i'll bet $1000 to your >$1 that it _is_ the OP's actual location. But we're not talking about the OP since he wasn't a spammer and had no reason to hide his origins. You made the statement that reverse-DNS could pin down the location of a spammer and I demonstrated that you were wrong. I'm a little bored right now or I'd not even bother to follow up like this. >There are two ways the OP could be 'somewhere else'. >Both require a degree of technical sophistication with regard to Internet [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >The other involves a Federal felony. Someone going that route would't do >just a single posting. They would hit -every- 'somewhat releant' newsgroup. Really? I gave four scenarios above where no felony is involved. Three require no collusion with anyone else. >Over a decade of _running_ newsservers helps. As does the knowledge from >actually talking with a number of such bozos who _did_ 'referral spam' >through my systems. Only a decade? Amateur piker. John --- John De Armond See my website for my current email address http://www.neon-john.com Cleveland, Occupied TN All great things are simple and many can be expressed in single words: Freedom, Justice, Honor, Duty, Mercy, Hope. -Churchill >How did you determine that? Did you trace the message to the organization >or what? For someone who has never before posted on alt.rv, it sounds like one of those: "Gee, I just found this really great website!" www.spam.com kind of postings. ? > Anyone purchased a unit recently from this organization? They > advertise deep discounts online - looks good enough to grab my > interest. I live 450 miles away, so would have to deal via phone. > > Any FB appreciated! Sigh... to actually answer your question, I haven't. But I know people that have and they are for real. They will even deliver. Be aware that you will have problems getting warranty service done though. Many dealers will only service units sold by them (most builders allow this policy) and you might have to contact the builder to arrange either factory or pay-as-you go warranty service Signature-------------------------------------------------------- Personal e-mail is the n7bsn but at amsat.org This posting address is a spam-trap and seldom read RV and Camping FAQ can be found at http://www.ralphandellen.us/rv > > Anyone purchased a unit recently from this organization? They > > advertise deep discounts online - looks good enough to grab my [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > RV and Camping FAQ can be found at > http://www.ralphandellen.us/rv > In article <1176735048.031514.274...@y5g2000hsa.googlegroups.com>, > [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > This posting address is a spam-trap and seldom read > RV and Camping FAQ can be found athttp://www.ralphandellen.us/rv Wow! I'm amazed at the excursion this thread took. This isn't a dealer spam. I'm simply looking for information, which I thought this group might provide. We are talking about the correct dealership. The fact is that they are offering a better price than I can get locally in Rochester NY for the same unit, and I'm interested in saving money (aren't we all??). The difference is enough to tempt me to work from a distance on the deal. The don't take trade-ins, though, so I'd have to sell my old unit locally, and that carries some timing issues as well as pricing uncertainty. The bit about not all dealers honoring warranties is new info to me. Thanks for the watch-out. The only thing you missed is appending a long string of crow recipes to give these pompous a.ses something to think about. I didn't think you were spamming and hated to see the weirder of the group chase you off. If you are new, and have not changed addresses, welcome. Steve > Wow! I'm amazed at the excursion this thread took. This isn't a dealer > spam. I'm simply looking for information, which I thought this group [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > The bit about not all dealers honoring warranties is new info to me. > Thanks for the watch-out. >The only thing you missed is appending a long string of crow recipes to give >these pompous a.ses something to think about. I didn't think you were >spamming and hated to see the weirder of the group chase you off. If you >are new, and have not changed addresses, welcome. **WHO** are you talking to?? R2D2 >>The only thing you missed is appending a long string of crow recipes to give >>these pompous a.ses something to think about. I didn't think you were [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > R2D2 He was responding to the originator of the thread jerw. He neglected to include the sender but the thread reveals the poster. Hugh > The bit about not all dealers honoring warranties is new info to me. > Thanks for the watch-out. I doubt you'd have a problem getting service. Dealers get paid for warranty work and most service departments don't care or ask where your RV came from. And how realistic is that anyway? Are we not supposed to move or break down in our RVs outside the local dealer's area? It's just something a salesman will tell you to scare you out of going somwhere else. I see where "CrazyDayz" <CrazyDayz@blah.blah> about not all dealers honoring warranties: >I doubt you'd have a problem getting service. Dealers get paid for warranty >work and most service departments don't care or ask where your RV came from. >And how realistic is that anyway? Are we not supposed to move or break down >in our RVs outside the local dealer's area? It's just something a salesman >will tell you to scare you out of going somwhere else. Not necessarily true. Sometimes it make no difference - sometimes the dealer's own customers get preferential treatment. Will Sill The Curmudgeon of Sill Hill > sometimes the dealer's own customers get preferential treatment. It's true and I have experienced it. It's not surprising, though. Giving warranty work preference to those customers that bought their rig there is good customer service. Warranty work is the bane of most repair places as they must jump through numerous "hoops" to satisfy the manufacturer before they are reimbursed. Signature:) JR >> sometimes the dealer's own customers get preferential treatment. > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >Warranty work is the bane of most repair places as they must jump through >numerous "hoops" to satisfy the manufacturer before they are reimbursed. I needed new wiper blades but could not find any in the regular stores. I went to La Mesa RV here in Yuma(a National RV dealer). They asked if I bought the rig from them. No I sez, I bought it in Oregon. Sorry they sez, company policy, if you didn't buy it from us...tough. I finally contacted the parts guy at National RV and he put pressure on them. They reluctantly sold be a pair. Jeez! Wonder where I won't go for the next RV. Jon Signature==================================================== Jon Griffin Yuma,AZ Olds, AB http://www.om-im.org ==================================================== > I needed new wiper blades but could not find any in the regular > stores. I went to La Mesa RV here in Yuma(a National RV dealer). > They asked if I bought the rig from them. No I sez, I bought it in > Oregon. Sorry they sez, company policy, if you didn't buy it from > us...tough. If you had asked them to INSTALL them, I wonder if the transaction would have ended differently. > I finally contacted the parts guy at National RV and he > put pressure on them. They reluctantly sold me a pair. Waddya bet National offered to expedite replacement stock without a shipping charge to make you happy? > Jeez! Wonder where I won't go for the next RV. Even if they make you a great offer on EXACTLY what you want? I can't see blacklisting a company because of a windshield wiper SNAFU if they are otherwise a good dealership. You did prevail after all. Signature:) JR > Anyone purchased a unit recently from this organization? They > advertise deep discounts online - looks good enough to grab my > interest. I live 450 miles away, so would have to deal via phone. > > Any FB appreciated! It appears to me that it is a national organization/company that is selling and listing RV's from numerous dealers around the nation that are trying to unload them. The following is the address of the website owner/lister. Durnell's Indian Hallow RV Sales 10601 SR 235 N Lakeview OH 43331 937 843 9000 Since I only live 1-1/2 hours away and have never heard of them, I doubt you'll save any money. I have camped up near there and have never heard of anybody saying anything about them. So, it seems to be another sales technique that RV and Car dealers are using to confuse the unknowing. Hank <~~~Private Investigator wannabe :-) |
Reply to this Message |
 Sign In
 Join
 My Latest Posts My Monitored Threads My Blog My Photo Gallery My Profile My Homepage Start New Thread Enable EMail Alerts Rate this Thread
|
©2008 Advenet LLC Privacy Policy - Terms of Use
This website includes both content owned or controlled by Advenet as well as content owned or controlled by third parties.