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Car Forum / Driving, Maintenance, Tuning / RVs / April 2007Don't drive your RV like a car please.
Boy oh boy, another ignorant or bully RVer tried to run me down today while I was cycling. Boy oh boy - the RV problem is why we need to adopt the graduated licensing program that was proposed earlier.then the RV folks (and anyone else with poor driving skills) would be buzzing around on scooters. Plus, perhaps being forced to drive scooters would limit their chances of finding partners, reproducing, and creating another generation of bad drivers. On a more serious note, in my opinion the largest problem with the current crop of RVs is that they keep trying to make them drive more and more like cars. If you make something drive like a car, people start seeing it as a legitimate choice for daily transportation even when they have no practical use for it. This was not a problem 25 years ago - RVs drove like the pickup trucks they were based on, and nobody willingly drove one unless they had a darn good reason. Now all the automakers are trying to make them drive like the family sedan, and people are driving them that way.if not even worse, because of the sense of invincibility and extra height they provide. When reviewers drive RVs, they often complain because they don't drive enough like a 'normal' car.but personally I think it should be the other way around. RVs should not drive even remotely like cars.they should drive so poorly that they constantly pound the fact into your skull that you're NOT driving a car, and that you need to take extra precautions. If I ruled the world, all RVs would go back to solid front axles and crude interiors - make driving an RV a sacrifice, and suddenly you'd discover who really needed RVs and who didn't. I have a friend who's an engineer in the auto industry and he says I should realize that quite a bit can be done if you have enough technology and enough money.but eventually physics still rears its ugly head, and there's only so much you can do with a heavy vehicle with a high center of gravity. Stability control and all these other electronic nannies are just going to make the RV problem worse - not only do people think they're driving cars, now the electronic systems will mask their driving errors until they get so large that they're beyond help. A car should scare you before it kills you - meaning, if you make a driving mistake that pushes the limits the car should let you know, so that you can modify your driving habits and be aware of your vehicle's limits. If those initial incidents are masked by electronic systems, RV drivers might not become aware of their vehicle's limits until it's too late. Shad O'Shay > Boy oh boy, another ignorant or bully RVer tried to run me down today > while I was cycling. [quoted text clipped - 42 lines] > > Shad O'Shay Good post worth thinking about, Mr. O'Shay. I have another thing that bothers me and it's this: One of the fundamental problems with the government's approach to automotive crash safety is that it concentrates on protection afforded the people in the vehicle being tested. Instead, the government should be primarily concerned with the damaged caused to the other vehicle (or bicycle or pedestrian) in the crash. Everyone has a built-in incentive to protect themselves; the government should be concerned with protecting citizens from the actions of others. Since RVs are very large they certainly can (and do) cause more damage in accidents. A parallel observation can be made about car insurance: people might be safer drivers if they only had liability insurance. Admittedly I'm well-off on the income scale, but I've always felt that if you feel like you need full coverage, then you can't afford the vehicle. Just my 2 cents worth. Todd >> Boy oh boy, another ignorant or bully RVer tried to run me down today >> while I was cycling. [quoted text clipped - 63 lines] > > Todd Sounds logical to me. The very best drivers are very often bicycle and motorcycle cycle riders who have transferred to 4 wheels (or more). They are used to anticipating what other people are going to do before they do it, paying with life and limb for other peoples bad driving if they don't and have a well developed sense of their surroundings. They are usually fit and have superb reflexes. They look through a 180 degree arc and a long ways down the road, all the time. They have ridden for many years with little or no safety equipment. They are the best defensive drivers ever. Maybe everybody should learn to ride a bicycle first, then a motorcycle - then the law of survival of the fittest would certainly come into effect and leave us with roads populated by good, and not ignorant, drivers. Shad O'Shay >> On a more serious note, in my opinion the largest problem with the >> current crop of RVs is that they keep trying to make them drive more >> and more like cars. Most RV's are not driven, they're towed. > Boy oh boy, another ignorant or bully RVer tried to run me down today > while I was cycling. > > Boy oh boy - the RV problem is why we need to adopt the graduated > licensing program that was proposed earlier.then the RV folks (and anyone > else with poor driving skills) would be buzzing around on scooters. If you were buzzing around on a scooter you would be going fast enough to not obstruct traffic. Plus, perhaps being forced to drive scooters would limit their > chances of finding partners, reproducing, and creating another generation > of bad drivers. [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > > Shad O'Shay > Boy oh boy, another ignorant or bully RVer tried to run me down today > while I was cycling. Hopefully next time he won't miss. >> Boy oh boy, another ignorant or bully RVer tried to run me down today >> while I was cycling. > > Hopefully next time he won't miss. LOL! I finally plonked old Shad. He has hijacked a perfectly nice newsgroup and I find that intolerable. I actually feel sorry for him as he doesn't appear to have a single friend to discuss things with and has to come here to perfect strangers to report on the minutia of his daily life. I think he really needs to get a life, as they say. He should try another group like maybe alt.support.nut-case.  SignatureJanet Wilder Bad spelling. Bad punctuation Good Friends. Good Life >LOL! > >I finally plonked old Shad. You have far more patience than do I. GB in NC Janet Wilder <kelliepoodle@yahoo.com> wrote in news:46277482$0$22402 $c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com: >>> Boy oh boy, another ignorant or bully RVer tried to run me down today >>> while I was cycling. [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > He should try another group like maybe alt.support.nut-case. You have far more tolerance for fools, idiots, and trolls than I, Janet: he went into the "bit bucket" with his second post. BTW, How are you and Barry doing? [SWMBO wants to know. <G>] > BTW, How are you and Barry doing? [SWMBO wants to know. <G>] Tell the lovely lady that I am fine. Fill of piss and vinegar! Barry is having some difficulties. We postponed (actually it's looking more like canceled) the Spring trip up the Mississippi River. We might go out for two weeks to Lubbock and maybe NM. He doesn't have anything life-threatening, just a pesky virus that attacks his hand and now his pump broke so he's on shots until the new one comes overnight tomorrow. How's things in CA? Hugs, J SignatureJanet Wilder Bad spelling. Bad punctuation Good Friends. Good Life Janet Wilder <kelliepoodle@yahoo.com> wrote in news:4627f84c$0$11271 $c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com: > Tell the lovely lady that I am fine. Fill of piss and vinegar! Barry is > having some difficulties. We postponed (actually it's looking more like [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Hugs, > J She got "The Word". We're both sorry to hear about Barry's virus and hope that he's able to shake it off soon. Dunno if it works but the original marketing of Human Growth Hormone was to improve Diabetics' ability to recover from wounds/sores. Has he looked into it? Buellton has been experiencing sunny to cloudy weather ranging from the low 40s at night to the low 70's (for an hour or two) in the day. The Montana Owners' Club Spring Rally was a hit for the 30+ couples that attended. [There are still 3 couples here - including us - but most left Monday or Tuesday mornings.] Since SWMBO's Sister & BIL only live ~300 yards from our campsite, we'll be spending much of the next week with them. > We're both sorry to hear about Barry's virus and hope that he's able > to [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > into > it? Bet you a dollar the dude's a fat slob. Instead of losing weight to get rid of the diabetes he just looks for more medicine to take in between stuffing his fat cheeks with two dozen Crispy Creme donuts. Why is it people give themselves diseases because they eat like pigs then they expect a pill to make it all better? Maybe it will take an amputation for him to stop being a glutton? Shad O'Shay >> We're both sorry to hear about Barry's virus and hope that he's able >> to [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Shad O'Shay You lose. Send your $1 US to 180 Avenue of Flags, Space #338, Buellton, CA by overnight mail. Barry is a slender man - as slender as his wife is, in fact - and has taken excellent care of both himself and Janet. Until I receive your payment you are forbidden to have any contact with any electronic device for any reason under penalty of electrocution. > Send your $1 US to 180 Avenue of Flags, Space #338, Buellton, CA by > overnight mail. Can you stop by Ridueau Winery thats just down the road from you and pick up some wine for me and send it my way? They won't ship to AZ. I'll trade you some Nascar tacky lights my wife won't let me put up on my trailer. >> Send your $1 US to 180 Avenue of Flags, Space #338, Buellton, CA by >> overnight mail. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > I'll trade you some Nascar tacky lights my wife won't let me put up on > my trailer. Your money didn't arrive on time and, thus, your new name is Welsher. >> Send your $1 US to 180 Avenue of Flags, Space #338, Buellton, CA by >> overnight mail. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > I'll trade you some Nascar tacky lights my wife won't let me put up on > my trailer. Sorry, Miles, but we're no longer in the area. It was the bet-welsher who got renamed. > It was the bet-welsher who got renamed. Freaking moron! Don't even know the difference between Welsh and Irish? Doh! Shad O'Shay "Shad O'Shay" <beverlyhills@steakhouse.org> wrote in news:f10b3a$3bo$4 @aioe.org: >> It was the bet-welsher who got renamed. > > Freaking moron! Don't even know the difference between Welsh and Irish? > Doh! > > Shad O'Shay See the Troll. See the Stupid Troll. See the Stupid Troll who doesn't know the difference between a Welshman and a welsher. [Hint: a Welshman who sings Tenor may also father children while a welsher can't. <EG>] Too bad you didn't pay your debt, welsher, 'cause your usenet privileges have been permanently revoked. You have been relegated to that class of fools who fall between Lawyers and AIDS. It's amazing how you have all these close calls with American RV's while you are in Europe.... > It's amazing how you have all these close calls with American RV's while you > are in Europe.... You've never been on the cross Atlantic RV ferry cruise? It's very popular! > It's amazing how you have all these close calls with American RV's > while you are in Europe.... Lot's of American tourists for the Classics. They're the ones who rent the larger RVs. Most Europeans drive little "caravans" like Volkswagen busses. Seems it's mostly obese Americans who need more room for their fat a.ses . . . Shad O'Shay > Lot's of American tourists for the Classics. They're the ones who rent > the larger RVs. Most Europeans drive little "caravans" like Volkswagen > busses. Seems it's mostly obese Americans who need more room for their > fat a.ses . . . lol, nice attempt to get out of your trolling goof up! There are few RV's in most of Europe. American rental RV'ers in Europe is a major rarity!! Busted!!! Too funny. > Boy oh boy, another ignorant or bully RVer tried to run me down today > while I was cycling. You probably deserved it, wobbling back and forth, hogging the lane, travelling at a scorching 2mph with your head up your a.s. Just like all cyclists do. > Boy oh boy - the RV problem is why we need to adopt the graduated > licensing program that was proposed earlier.then the RV folks (and anyone > else with poor driving skills) would be buzzing around on scooters. Plus, > perhaps being forced to drive scooters would limit their chances of > finding partners, reproducing, and creating another generation of bad > drivers. Yeah. The first bunch we need to license is you cyclists. None of you know the traffic laws or if you do, you ignore them. Elitist trash! > On a more serious note, in my opinion the largest problem with the current > crop of RVs is that they keep trying to make them drive more and more like [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > way.if not even worse, because of the sense of invincibility and extra > height they provide. > When reviewers drive RVs, they often complain because they don't drive > enough like a 'normal' car.but personally I think it should be the other [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > interiors - make driving an RV a sacrifice, and suddenly you'd discover > who really needed RVs and who didn't. And all bicycles should have wooden wheels with one gigantic one in front and a very small one in the rear (penny farthing). BTW no damned springs either. > I have a friend who's an engineer in the auto industry and he says I > should realize that quite a bit can be done if you have enough technology [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > incidents are masked by electronic systems, RV drivers might not become > aware of their vehicle's limits until it's too late. And cyclists still arent aware of their vehicle's limits or their own. I try to avoid them at all costs, they are dangerous and rude. Worst damn abusers on the roads. > Shad O'Shay And you sir embody the worst of the worst. ///Ploink/// DaveD > And all bicycles should have wooden wheels with one gigantic one in > front and a very small one in the rear (penny farthing). BTW no damned > springs either. "Penny Farthings" were all-iron. If you TRULY want to make bicycling "interesting", ban seats but require seat posts to be installed so as to extend at least 6" above the frame... <EG> >> And all bicycles should have wooden wheels with one gigantic one in >> front and a very small one in the rear (penny farthing). BTW no damned >> springs either. > > "Penny Farthings" were all-iron. Not all. Some of the wheels were wooden with iron tires (large wheel only). You are correct that the rest of the penny-farthings were all iron. > If you TRULY want to make bicycling "interesting", ban seats but require > seat posts to be installed so as to extend at least 6" above the frame... > <EG> I don't know about that. Some of those "guys" might enjoy that set up. DaveD >>> And all bicycles should have wooden wheels with one gigantic one in >>> front and a very small one in the rear (penny farthing). BTW no [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > I don't know about that. Some of those "guys" might enjoy that set up. > DaveD ROFLMAO!!! >> I don't know about that. Some of those "guys" might enjoy that set >> up. >> DaveD > > ROFLMAO!!! Freaking homophobe! I bet you have dreams about homosexual sex. Shad O'Shay > I bet you have dreams about homosexual sex. With your wagering record on this NG you'd be well advised to avoid all Casinos for the rest of your life. With your record of ALWAYS taking the "wrong" side of a wager, you'd never survive a week in Vegas! <G> > Boy oh boy, another ignorant or bully RVer tried to run me down today > while I was cycling. That's what they're supposed to do if you're stupid enough to take your POS off the sidewalks. > Boy oh boy - the RV problem is why we need to adopt the graduated > licensing program that was proposed earlier.then the RV folks (and > anyone else with poor driving skills) would be buzzing around on > scooters. Plus, perhaps being forced to drive scooters would limit > their chances of finding partners, reproducing, and creating another > generation of bad drivers. Step one: neuter any idiot over the age of 13 who rides a bicycle. Step two: declare any idiot over the age of 13 who rides a bicycle to be "fair game" for any operator of a motorized vehicle. Step three: Assign "bonus points" for each cyclist hit plus a "points multiplier" for each meter that the cyclist is airborne. Step four: require each bicycle manufacturers to award each motor-vehicle operator $100 per awarded "point". > On a more serious note, in my opinion the largest problem with the > current crop of RVs is that they keep trying to make them drive more [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > and people are driving them that way.if not even worse, because of the > sense of invincibility and extra height they provide. Making RVs drive like cars is far better than having them drive like bicycles: Have you any idea how hard it would be to steer a 40' Diesel Pusher with a set of handlebars? 25 years ago Class A MHs were NOT based upon pickups as you - erroneously as usual - stated. FYI: given the amount of "downsizing" in automobiles, the "Family Sedan" has been out of production for over 25 years when it was replaced by "Intermediate Sedans" and, subsequently, by "Compact Sedans". If you can't comfortably carry 6 average-sized [6' 3", 275 pound] teenagers while pulling a 30' Airstream with it, it's NOT a "Family Sedan". > When reviewers drive RVs, they often complain because they don't drive > enough like a 'normal' car.but personally I think it should be the [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > front axles and crude interiors - make driving an RV a sacrifice, and > suddenly you'd discover who really needed RVs and who didn't. Given that you're idiotic enough to ride a bicycle in areas where motor vehicles are permitted, your opinions upon driveability are similarly idiotic and unrealistic. Fortunately, you'll never get the opportunity to rule the world! > I have a friend who's an engineer in the auto industry and he says I > should realize that quite a bit can be done if you have enough [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Shad O'Shay If you're afraid of a vehicle then you should avoid their proximity at all costs: avoid both paved and unpaved roads, mountain trails, deserts, etc., 'cause I'm likely to be driving through there at speeds that you'll never approach on a bicycle while maintaining contact between the tires and the ground. [You *might* be able to approach those speeds *if* you ride it out the back of a C-130 at 30,000 feet with a pair of 200# anvils strapped on in place of parachutes. Machines don't scare me - idiots at their controls do. You - operating any form of machinery - are a danger to all living things *including* yourself. <big snip> > Machines don't scare me - idiots at their controls do. > > You - operating any form of machinery - are a danger to all living things > *including* yourself. LMFAO. Well written. > That's what they're supposed to do if you're stupid enough to take > your > POS off the sidewalks. Bring it on, fatso! What you lack in manhood you obviously try to make up it lame threats. > Step one: neuter any idiot over the age of 13 who rides a bicycle. What? So you can have more eunichs to play with there fatso? Getting sick of having sex with your young son? Lack of variety getting to you? > Step two: declare any idiot over the age of 13 who rides a bicycle to > be > "fair game" for any operator of a motorized vehicle. Aren't you satisfied with the ones under 13 whom you're molesting? > Making RVs drive like cars is far better than having them drive like > bicycles: Have you any idea how hard it would be to steer a 40' Diesel > Pusher with a set of handlebars? It's pretty hard to steer something even with power steering when all you can do is those 12 oz curls to slurp all that Budweiser. Oh, I take that back. I understand you do you use your hands to pick your nose, too. > If you can't comfortably carry 6 average-sized [6' 3", 275 pound] > teenagers while pulling a 30' Airstream with it, it's NOT a "Family > Sedan". Just because your bastard teens are obese like their disgusting just like you and almost as obese doesn't mean they're average. Doh! Now, go f.ck yourself. Give your little boy and his cub scout troop some respite. Shad O'Shay >> That's what they're supposed to do if you're stupid enough to take >> your >> POS off the sidewalks. > > Bring it on, fatso! What you lack in manhood you obviously try to make > up it lame threats. I don't make *threats*. <g> >> Step one: neuter any idiot over the age of 13 who rides a bicycle. > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Aren't you satisfied with the ones under 13 whom you're molesting? Those under 13 are permitted pedal-powered toys. After that, they're no longer "children". Of course, that's Chronological Age not Mental or Emotional Age. You, for example, have a mental age of 3. >> Making RVs drive like cars is far better than having them drive like >> bicycles: Have you any idea how hard it would be to steer a 40' Diesel [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > that back. I understand you do you use your hands to pick your nose, > too. How would you know? After all, it'll be years before you will be legally permitted to consume Adult Beverages. <G> >> If you can't comfortably carry 6 average-sized [6' 3", 275 pound] >> teenagers while pulling a 30' Airstream with it, it's NOT a "Family >> Sedan". > > Just because your bastard teens are obese like their disgusting just > like you and almost as obese doesn't mean they're average. Doh! Sorry to disappoint you, Idjit, but I don't have your problem of physical sterility concurrent with a pregnant wife and a pregnant mistress. > Now, go f.ck yourself. Give your little boy and his cub scout troop some > respite. > > Shad O'Shay BTW, Potty-mouth, you lose again. I tow a 31 foot fiver with a Ram 2500, Cummins diesel and a six speed stick. Pulls just fine, but I can assure you, no one would EVER think it drives like a car! Ed MacNeil, Ancient Aviator North Hampton, New Hamster > Boy oh boy, another ignorant or bully RVer tried to run me down today > while I was cycling. 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