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WHAT EXACTLY IS A TROLL? (An Insightful Analysis)
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Max Greene - 25 Apr 2007 09:00 GMT **The term "troll" is often used by some to describe a poster they don't agree with or don't seem to like (even thought they don't even know them). Many times it seems to be overused or misused to describe a person. Let's explore exactly what a "troll" really is. (Of course, in folklore they were creatures that lived under a bridge but the Usent version seems to have taken on another dimension.)
***A "troll" is basically a person who comes to a group, writes a post of substance that is intelligently and logically presented and that deals with a subject that might require effort and thought in order to properly process.
***This immediately triggers a very nervous condition within the elementary minds of many of the group's regulars as their brains are asked to actually respond to logic for the first time in ages. There is a whirlwind of neural activity as synapses snap and pop from one side of their cranial area to the other. A tumultuous period of disorientation follows and dizzy spells of varying degree envelop the hapless creatures as they try to deal with something now foreign to their neanderthal psyches.
***Thoughts like "OMG, I have to think," "Isn't there a rule that no one can post anything that requires the use of brain waves or personal effort?" "Why an I being asked to think?" "Do I have to arrive at a rational and intelligent decision on this idea?" race through their troubled minds.
***As this confusion reigns supreme and the unanswered questions heavily burden the simpleton minds of some of the old-timers in the group, the tortured creatures now band together, as their cave dwelling ancestors once did, and begin to utter the only words of response to these new ideas that they know. In true misguided behavioral fashion coupled with the fear of the unknown and their "deer in the headlights" mentality, they lift their gnarled fingers, point toward the post and, in a guttural, near-unintelligible and almost animalistic tone, scream "HE'S A TROLL!."
***This seems to the only way their near-empty minds can process something so far above their intelligence and inbreeding since advanced problem-solving techniques using logic and intelligence have yet to be introduced into their primitive culture.
***Now that they feel they have responded to this new thought or idea in the only manner their cretin minds can muster, they gather around the ancient campfire, drooling and belching, rubbing their bright red baboon butts together and munching on blackened bananas before heading back to their cave, single file, their knuckles leaving small furrows in the soil as their arms scrape the ground.
***Once back in the womb-like sanctity of their primitive, waterless RV park, inside a huge cave in the side of a mountain, they lick the day's fleas off of one another while employing a rudimentary form of congratulatory behavior in having met and "dealt with" yet another "threat" to their retarded and backward society.
******The intent of this new poster was never to incite, aggravate or disturb the "old-timers" and he did not do this. What disturbed and agitated them was not the messenger, but the message and the "disturbance" came in the eye and ear of the beholders, not the poster. In other words, their insecurities and their lack of embrace to new concepts and ideas created some if not all of the turmoil they felt. Their unrest, therefore, was basically their problem not the alleged "troll's" problem since they manufactured said unrest from within.
***It proves the old maxim that NO ONE can MAKE US feel or do anything if we are truly proactive and have control of ourselves. To express a negative reaction (i.e. anger and denigration) to a new poster and call said new poster a "troll" simply shows a lack of self-control and self-guidance in the reader, NOT THE TROLL. Simply putting blame where blame should lie.
-MRG
Alan Smithee - 25 Apr 2007 18:34 GMT > **The term "troll" is often used by some to describe a poster they > don't agree with or don't seem to like (even thought they don't even [quoted text clipped - 69 lines] > > -MRG You obviously are a troll!
Steve B - 25 Apr 2007 18:38 GMT A troll is anyone who takes 100 lines to describe themselves.
Steve
Alan Smithee - 25 Apr 2007 21:37 GMT >A troll is anyone who takes 100 lines to describe themselves. > > Steve Some trolls do benefit the group. They can get some good discussions going that otherwise would not have come about. I think people to try to limit discussion or force others to fit their world view are more detrimental than a troll.
Steve B - 25 Apr 2007 22:25 GMT >>A troll is anyone who takes 100 lines to describe themselves. >> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > discussion or force others to fit their world view are more detrimental > than a troll. That's all well and good. But, it doesn't take an Einstein to figure out that alt.politics or alt.kill.bush would be a better place to spew than alt.rv. What makes you think that those who come here for rv information are up to hearing the political and social rantings of misinformed or uninformed idiots who, for the most part don't know the difference between lose and loose?
Steve
miles - 26 Apr 2007 01:46 GMT > What makes you think that those who come here for rv information > are up to hearing the political There are some who come to usenet for a particular topic to discuss. However, there are scores of people who do enjoy talking about most anything among others with a common interest (rv'ing in this case).
In otherwords, say you went to a pre or post nascar race party. Everyone there is a nascar fan. Do you think everyone there will ONLY talk about nascar and nothing else? Should they have such restriction?
Steve B - 26 Apr 2007 03:11 GMT >> What makes you think that those who come here for rv information are up >> to hearing the political [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > there is a nascar fan. Do you think everyone there will ONLY talk about > nascar and nothing else? Should they have such restriction? Yes, there are those lost annoying lonely souls who must find an audience to vent their spleen on a regular basis. For those who choose to sit around the campfire and chew the fat, it's a whole movement. And it's a free world. Everyone is entitled to talk about whatever they want. Whenever they want. Wherever they want to. It's all a matter of timing as to whether or not you come across as a sensible person, raving lunatic or a boor.
Steve
miles - 26 Apr 2007 03:54 GMT > Yes, there are those lost annoying lonely souls who must find an audience to > vent their spleen on a regular basis. For those who choose to sit around [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > whether or not you come across as a sensible person, raving lunatic or a > boor. If multiple people are enjoying discussing a particular topic in a friendly manner then theres no problem IMHO. Why people get so bent out of shape on topic matter baffles me. People are enjoying the forum and the people in it. Thats a good thing!
miles - 26 Apr 2007 01:41 GMT > A troll is anyone who takes 100 lines to describe themselves. A better definition is someone who posts something you don't like or agree with. That seems to be the trend anyways on who calls who a troll.
Steve B - 26 Apr 2007 03:11 GMT >> A troll is anyone who takes 100 lines to describe themselves. > > A better definition is someone who posts something you don't like or agree > with. That seems to be the trend anyways on who calls who a troll. I like that. It lets the reader decide.
Steve
Max Greene - 26 Apr 2007 12:04 GMT I like that. It lets the reader decide.
Steve =============================
No, it lets the moron decide.
Max Greene - 26 Apr 2007 12:03 GMT A better definition is someone who posts something you don't like or agree with. That seems to be the trend anyways on who calls who a troll. ================================== Miles, do you realize how absolutely juvenile and immature that response sounds? So your Mommy and Daddy taught little Miles that if wittle Miles doesn't like something or someone says something he doesn't agree with, he should call that person a name. Does wittle Miles also stick out his wittle tongue, put his wittle thumbs in his ears and wiggle his wittle fingers at people who say things he doesn't agree with? Gad, what are you Miles? 11? 12? 13? What a child masquerading as a man! Geesh. -MRG
miles - 26 Apr 2007 14:13 GMT > Miles, do you realize how absolutely juvenile and immature that > response sounds? So your Mommy and Daddy taught little Miles that if [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > agree with? Gad, what are you Miles? 11? 12? 13? What a child > masquerading as a man! Geesh. I didn't say that was a proper response. I said that is what occurs on usenet. Your reply above shows my point exactly. You didn't like what I said and replied rather predictably.
Ted Bell / Shad O'Shay - 26 Apr 2007 17:58 GMT >> Miles, do you realize how absolutely juvenile and immature that >> response sounds? So your Mommy and Daddy taught little Miles that if [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > on usenet. Your reply above shows my point exactly. You didn't like > what I said and replied rather predictably. Yes, just like a crybaby imbecile! But, you will find that the RVers here are all like that. They are a bunch of ignorant, crybaby bullies. They are attracted to RVs because they get a sense of power from them. What they lack in brain and gonad size they try to make up for in the size of their vehicle. Then they use the vehicle to bully and make death threats. These RVers are really a sick sad bunch of losers.
Shad O'Shay
miles - 27 Apr 2007 01:09 GMT > They are attracted to RVs because they get a sense of power from them. I like my RV trailer because I love to travel, dislike hotels, like to cook my own gourmet meals and I travel to remote areas where hotels don't exist.
Jonathan King - 29 Apr 2007 03:38 GMT That Shay O'Shad is a mean troll. So is Max Greene. I am going to Netkkkop both of them!
Jonathan King
Tri-Pacer - 30 Apr 2007 00:34 GMT You guys just went ahead and let the trolls take over the news group.
Good Show !
Steve B - 30 Apr 2007 00:37 GMT > You guys just went ahead and let the trolls take over the news group. > > Good Show ! You're welcome!
Max Greene - 01 May 2007 08:21 GMT Shay O'Shad is a mean troll. So is Max Greene. I am going to Netkkkop both of them! Jonathan King ========================================
Oh my doodness, Jonathan thinks we're big, meany bad boys. I'm sowee Jonathan if we hurt your wittle sensitive feelings and you think we're all "mean" and everything. Pwease forgive us for upsetting wittle, skeered, sensitive, candy a.s Jonathan.
We promise to send you extry booble gum for your next birthday. What are you gonna be? I foget. Is it 8? 10? 11? 12? Wet us know.
And Jonathan, I pwomise you we're not big old "mean trolls" like you think. We just didn't realize there were people in this group with skins as thin as cheap toilet paper. Have a nice day Jonathan. Bye now. We wuv you.
--The "Nice" Troll
Max Greene - 27 Apr 2007 04:57 GMT > > Miles, do you realize how absolutely juvenile and immature that > > response sounds? So your Mommy and Daddy taught little Miles that if [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > usenet. Your reply above shows my point exactly. You didn't like what > I said and replied rather predictably. ===================================
POINT OF ORDER, MILES, I DID NOT, REPEAT, DID NOT CALL YOU A "TROLL." I WAS MUCH MORE ACCURATE IN MY DESCRIPTION THAN WITH THE INCREDIBLY NEBULOUS TERM "TROLL."
SO THEREFORE, THE RESPONSE WAS NOT "RATHER PREDICTABLY" AS YOU SATED. A CLOSE ASSUMPTION, MILES, BUT SLIGHTLY "OFFLINE." KEEP TRYING MY SON...SOMEDAY YOU MAY EVEN BE ABLE TO MATCH THER DEPTH OF SARCASTIC WIT AS EMITTED FORTH BY YOURS TRULY.
miles - 27 Apr 2007 05:08 GMT > SO THEREFORE, THE RESPONSE WAS NOT "RATHER PREDICTABLY" AS YOU SATED. Your response was exactly what I was referring to. As was your follow up. Exactly my point to the tee.
Max Greene - 27 Apr 2007 10:49 GMT > > SO THEREFORE, THE RESPONSE WAS NOT "RATHER PREDICTABLY" AS YOU SATED. > > Your response was exactly what I was referring to. As was your follow > up. Exactly my point to the tee. ================================== But Kilometers, how could my response fit your previous point to a tee when your previous point had a dull end and therefore was not a real point. Just a point of order here.
miles - 28 Apr 2007 01:19 GMT > But Kilometers, Originality is not your forte!
Ted Bell / Shad O'Shay - 26 Apr 2007 17:55 GMT >> A troll is anyone who takes 100 lines to describe themselves. > > A better definition is someone who posts something you don't like or > agree with. That seems to be the trend anyways on who calls who a > troll. Or any post that someone doesn't have the wit to respond intelligently to. . .
Shad O'Shay
Max Greene - 26 Apr 2007 07:57 GMT A troll is anyone who takes 100 lines to describe themselves. Steve =============================================== Ahhhh, Steve jumps right in there with empty, silly, illiterate response #2. So far I'm 2 for 2 is my description of those who call others a troll. Just think how illuminating a response like "A troll is anyone who takes 100 lines to describe themselves" really is. It says nothing of substance, makes no sense and leaves anyone with an IQ higher than roadkill wondering, "what the hell was that sentence he responded supposed to mean and how was it any type of illuminating commentary on the OP?" And to further prove Steve's "dumbness," the actual OP was not denigrating to trolls so therefore Steve basically agreed with the post with his little snippet of a rersponse.
Steve, Alan's waiting for you back at the cave for some "interpersonal" activity. LOL
Steve B - 26 Apr 2007 08:35 GMT > A troll is anyone who takes 100 lines to describe themselves. > Steve [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > Steve, Alan's waiting for you back at the cave for some > "interpersonal" activity. LOL Adios, motherf..ker.
Steve - 25 Apr 2007 21:22 GMT > You obviously are a troll! And yet you not only responded to him/she/it, but quoted the whole message for a one line response. Makes one wonder, or is that wander? :)
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Max Greene - 26 Apr 2007 07:51 GMT You obviously are a troll!. ================================== Thank you, Alan. I'm happy to be a troll as per the description above and your simplistic 5 word response proved my point exactly in regards to the description of those who call others trolls---dumb, uneducated, banal, non-creative and generally stupid. What are you? 12? 13? 14?
Alan Smithee - 26 Apr 2007 18:08 GMT > You obviously are a troll!. > ================================== > Thank you, Alan. I'm happy to be a troll as per the description above > and your simplistic 5 word response proved my point exactly in regards > to the description of those who call others trolls---dumb, uneducated, > banal, non-creative and generally stupid. What are you? 12? 13? 14? I am a blatant homosexual and madly in love with you. I want to have unprotected sex with you 24/7. Please respond again in any way to let me know you really want it.And yes, I'm under the age of 18.
Love and deep kisses,
Alan
Max Greene - 27 Apr 2007 04:59 GMT > > You obviously are a troll!. > > ================================== [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Alan ===================================== ALAN, I THINK YOU MAY BE IN THE WRONG GROUP HERE. TRY ALT.SEX.BACKDOOR BUDDIES. I HEAR THEY LOVE POSTS LIKE YOURS BUT I DOUBT IF THE MAINLINE TRAILER-HERDERS HERE REALLY CARE FOR THAT KIND OF TALK. PROBABLY A LOT OF HOMOPHOBIA IN THIS GROUP..
Ted Bell / Shad O'Shay - 26 Apr 2007 17:52 GMT > **The term "troll" is often used by some to describe a poster they > don't agree with or don't seem to like (even thought they don't even [quoted text clipped - 69 lines] > > -MRG Boy of boy! That's one of the funniest and truest posts I've ever read. Keep up the good work. I have one little suggestion, however, that would make your diatribe more complete and accurate: Right after this part---
> ***As this confusion reigns supreme and the unanswered questions > heavily burden the simpleton minds of some of the old-timers in the [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > point toward the post and, in a guttural, near-unintelligible and > almost animalistic tone, scream "HE'S A TROLL!." include the following:
*** Then, of course, comes the pea-brained chorus of, "kill file the troll!" After that comes the self-congratulatory back-patting for taking such an "original" course of action. Yes, sir, run back into the old cave and stick your head into the nearest small crack in the wall so you can remain blissfully deaf, dumb and blind. That's the way your inadequately developed brains like it best. No input. Nothing to process. Nothing to fear. No need ever to consider a new idea. Attaboy!
Shad O'Shay
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