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Car Forum / Driving, Maintenance, Tuning / RVs / April 2007

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Quite frankly, I'm appalled. . .

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Ted Bell / Shad O'Shay - 27 Apr 2007 01:49 GMT
I learned something new here today. I learned there's such a thing as a
full time RVer. This shocks and appalls me greatly. It's bad enough that
people buy RVs and use them for vacationing but I guess I can see some
little appeal to that mode of travel for vacations. If only they'd just
they'd learn traffic laws and learn how to be polite and informed. (But
I've about worn out my welcome on that topic so onwards and upwards.)

What with hotels and motels having a rash (no pun intended) of bed bugs
and other vermin such as fleas from dogs people sneak into their rooms,
who wants to stay in a motel room anyway? So carrying your own 'room'
along with you might be justifiable in some cases. And who really wants
to spend half their lives in airports clearing this security check and
that strip search? Or on buses with sweaty Mexicans, hostile Black
gang-bangers and senile, talk-to-themselves, bag ladies? So, though most
of the people here who are RVers seem to be misguided bullies, I think
there probably are intelligent, polite and sensible folks out there on
the roadways driving RVs who have a legitimate use for them. I think the
RV people who hang out here are has-beens or wannabes. Why associate
with the low-life that constitutes the majority of posters here? I guess
I got off track and what I want to stress is that RVs can have a
legitimate purpose but wishing to use or actually using one as a full
time habitation is gross -- a modern-day Gypsy wagon?

So, what's with this "full time" stuff? What and who are they? I picture
a group of itinerant trailer park trash, vagrants and ne'er-do-wells
roaming the country in junky old RVs probably stealing things in one
town and then moving on to the next before they get caught to steal
something else. Unshaven, unkempt and dirty with ragged old clothes they
probably sleep in. I take it they have no home anywhere to return to so
they just roam, cause trouble and greatly contribute to the bad
reputation of RVers as a class. What kind of a thing to do is that? What
kind of person wants to be a homeless Gypsy unwelcome and asked to "move
along" most everywhere they go? What kind of a person would give
responsible folks who legitimately use RVs part time like they are
supposed to be used a bad name?

You people here who are legitimate RVers need to discourage this "full
timer" crowd. They will cause your legitimate use of RVs for vacations
to be more and more restricted. RVs already are unwelcome in a lot of
tourist areas because businesses know they don't spend much money on
hotel rooms and food and drink because they carry all that with them. So
who needs them clogging up the roads? Better to have less congested
roads with tourists who actually contribute something to the local
economy.

Don't think I'm exaggerating here. It's already happened in the sailing
yacht world. My Dad's 68-foot Swan is not some full-time liveaboard bum
boat. It's legitimately used for corporate get togethers and sometimes
as a meeting headquarters. It doesn't go around with some dirty,
hippy-looking vagrants at the helm. When one owns a real yacht like the
Swan one sees way too many "full time live aboard" itinerant people who
give yachts a bad name. They dump sewage into the water, they toss their
garbage overboard, they run loud and smelly generators, etc. They get
drunk, obnoxious and naked. In other words the same type of behavior
that vagrant RVers engage in. It gives yachting, in general, a bad name
and results in ALL yachts being unwelcome in some places. This WILL
happen to RVs if you let this "full time" low life get a foothold.
Please, for you own benefit you MUST discourage this aberrant behavior.

On second thought, forget about it.  I'd rather see "full timers" be the
cause of an outright ban on all RV's. So never mind. Welcome them into
the fold.

Shad O'Shay
Todd - 27 Apr 2007 15:52 GMT
That's the best post I've read in a long time, Shad. You should try
writing for a living after your done with your professional cycling
career.

todd

>I learned something new here today. I learned there's such a thing as a
> full time RVer. This shocks and appalls me greatly. It's bad enough
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> Shad O'Shay
Matt Colie - 28 Apr 2007 19:35 GMT
Well Treb O'Shay,

I've had you in the plonk box for a while now and I am glad you have
finally shown your true colors.

As a man that spent his young life as a live-aboard a 13 ton Ketch,
raced all the east coast circuit for a good long time (that was where I
first used a motorhome) and still ride casually and race - not casually
- in the local PHRF fleet with the 2 ton sloop that I drag there behind
the current motorhome, I must admit that I find little that you post is
honest or even amusing.

I do believe that you can give the good riders of the world a bad name,
your father is already giving big boat cruisers a bad name with his
tax-cheat boat (the company owns it so he doesn't pay taxes on it).

I for one will keep using the MH to drag the the boat to the races, and
take my Trek with me and when I am tempted to give the riders on the the
road a wide berth, I will think of you and how I used to be confident
that the community of sailors and cyclists had a relatively low AH ratio
(as compared to the general population).  I know better now.

Can I set a filter that will kill the entire thread based on contributors?

Matt Colie A.Sloop "Bonne Ide'e", GMC Glacier "Chaumie're"
Lifelong Waterman, Licensed Mariner, Perpetular Sailor, Ex-Bicycle Racer
Who will always enjoy traveling

> That's the best post I've read in a long time, Shad. You should try
> writing for a living after your done with your professional cycling career.
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>> Shad O'Shay
Todd - 27 Apr 2007 20:59 GMT
That's the best post I've read in a long time, Shad. You should try
writing for a living after your done with your professional cycling
career.

todd

>I learned something new here today. I learned there's such a thing as a
> full time RVer. This shocks and appalls me greatly. It's bad enough
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>
> Shad O'Shay
Jonathan King - 29 Apr 2007 03:49 GMT
"Gypsy wagon" - now that made me laugh!

Actually, the gypsies do use motorhomes to travel the country. They are not
welcome wherever they go. They came to my area once and promised my next
door neighbor ( a wonderful ederly woman) that they would install siding and
remove a dead tree. They made off with a $3,000 deposit. She nearly died
from it, the neighborhood chipped in and got her straight. Retired RVers are
not gypsies by any stretch.

Jonathan King
Shad O'Shay - 30 Apr 2007 19:10 GMT
> "Gypsy wagon" - now that made me laugh!
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> Jonathan King

Retired RVers who have a home to go home to are not Gypsies for sure but
what about these so-called "full-timers?"  They brag they're full time
because they don't have a home to go back to (or a pot to piss in for
that matter). They are little more than vagrants on wheels. No visible
means of support, you know. It used to be against the law but nowadays
any old bum can get ahold of an old, fixer-upper RV for a pittance and
tow it or drive the eyesore around being a pain in the butt where ever
they stop. Do you want one of them parked in your front yard or vacant
lot? I don't think so. Yet where else can they go? They certainly can't
afford to pay for a campsite in a KOA every night. So they freeload
mostly on public land. In other words they mooch off responsible
taxpayers. I don't think that's acting responsibly.

Shad O'Shay

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