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Car Forum / Driving, Maintenance, Tuning / RVs / May 2007Attn : Shad o Shay
Hello Shad, Im relatively new here, Ive read a few of your posts lately in this NG, and am wondering how you came to be so irrate about RVers in general ? Did an RVer run you off the road or something serious like that ? Have you ever done RVing before ? If you dont like RVing, i can appreciate that, but, I find it a wonderful way to explore, meet others, enjoy nature, and camp without getting back pains from sleeping on the ground all night long. And, for those who wish to go Full Time, it is often a far cheaper way to live while seeing North America at the same time. Well, thats all . But, I hope you can curtail the vitrol for your own sake . Thanks. Dave, I have 2 requests: -Please don't feed the trolls. That's what they want. Ignore them- they hate it when you do that. -Please add OT to your posts if you must feed the trolls. Since most of us have the trolls blocked, if you respond to them, you are effectively "bouncing" their posts into existence for us. If you add OT to your posts, however, we will still not see the posts if we have OT posts blocked. Thanks :-) PS- Since I added "OT" to this post subject, I will not see it, nor any replies to it. 'Dave, I have 2 requests: -Please don't feed the trolls. That's what they want. Ignore them- they hate it when you do that. -Please add OT to your posts if you must feed the trolls. Since most of us have the trolls blocked, if you respond to them, you are effectively "bouncing" their posts into existence for us. If you add OT to your posts, however, we will still not see the posts if we have OT posts blocked. Thanks :-) PS- Since I added "OT" to this post subject, I will not see it, nor any replies to it.' REPLY: Ok, ill use 'OT' from now on. Im really wondering what is behind Shads irrate behavior concerning RVers though and would appreciate him clearing this up for me. Thanks. DaveInLakeVilla@webtv.net (Dave in Lake Villa) wrote in news:27065- 4632746D-795@storefull-3234.bay.webtv.net: > REPLY: Ok, ill use 'OT' from now on. Im really wondering what is > behind Shads irrate behavior concerning RVers though and would > appreciate him clearing this up for me. Thanks. The Troll is only Trolling. You're more than slightly familiar with the practice. <EG> You're more than slightly familiar with the practice. <EG> LOL 2 infinity (I just couldn't contain myself any longer) That statement could serve to wake Dave up to his own behavior, but it won't! Sue > REPLY: Ok, ill use 'OT' from now on. Im really wondering what is > behind Shads irrate behavior concerning RVers though and would > appreciate him clearing this up for me. Thanks. He wants attention. He rants about American RV'ers and he isn't even on this continent. >> REPLY: Ok, ill use 'OT' from now on. Im really wondering what is >> behind Shads irrate behavior concerning RVers though and would >> appreciate him clearing this up for me. Thanks. > > He wants attention. He rants about American RV'ers and he isn't even on > this continent. I don't believe I could live if I was Shad O Shay. He must have a plugged up prostate and male system from all the hundreds of miles of bouncing he does weekly on his bike. It is known that bike riding causes this condition. He's a social leper, so I doubt he could even talk his way into (or buy even in Amsterdam) a trip around the world, if ya know whut uh mean, Vern. He's skinny as a piece of bamboo, and has the personality of a lima bean. He's hostile, angry, and anti-social. I'm sure he's leading the life of a eunuch while living in countries of open governmental approved prostitution. If he would just shut up, he'd probably get laid. Are you getting an image yet of Mr. Shay? Steve > I don't believe I could live if I was Shad O Shay. He must have a > plugged up prostate and male system from all the hundreds of miles of > bouncing he does weekly on his bike. It is known that bike riding > causes this condition. You'd better google it. That's all been debunked. Will the ignorance of RVers never cease? > He's a social leper, so I doubt he could even talk his way into (or > buy even in Amsterdam) a trip around the world, if ya know whut uh > mean, Vern. A moral man doesn't indulge in prostitution. It's immoral and disgusting. You just sinned thinking about it. You lusted in your mind and you sinned. Are you related to that old retired President from the sixties, Jimmy Carter? > He's skinny as a piece of bamboo, and has the personality of a lima > bean. He's hostile, angry, and anti-social. I'm sure he's leading > the life of a eunuch while living in countries of open governmental > approved prostitution. If he would just shut up, he'd probably get > laid. Having "getting laid" on the top of your priorities list only proves you are a Neanderthal. But, your posts prove that already so why be redundant? People already have a clue how you are. As for skinny, how's about a little wager? I'll put my "skinny bamboo butt" up against your undoubtedly, rotund, stick-legged, lard a.s on a trainer with a watt meter connected. I bet I can sustain 400 watts for two hours and I bet you can't sustain a 100 watts for one hour. I bet I can crank a maximum of 3000 watts for fifteen seconds at the end of the two hours and you couldn't crank 300 watts for fifteen seconds after you rest after failing to do the 100 watts. In other words I bet I'm at least ten times more powerful than you are. Deal? Shad O'Shay >> I don't believe I could live if I was Shad O Shay. He must have a >> plugged up prostate and male system from all the hundreds of miles of [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > > Shad O'Shay If only I could harvest ther bullshit you spout for fertilizer for my garden. "David Moffitt" <moffitcl@peoplepc.com> wrote in news:k5RYh.9514$3P3.5411 @newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net: > If only I could harvest ther bullshit you spout for fertilizer for my > garden. You must have a H-U-G-E garden. 640,000 acres, at least! <EG> >> I don't believe I could live if I was Shad O Shay. He must have a >> plugged up prostate and male system from all the hundreds of miles of [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > > Shad O'Shay I go for angioplasty at 3PM Wednesday. There's no doubt that you're stronger than I. But I do have you outclassed. Steve "Steve B" <SurDO2Diver@Neptune.com> wrote in news:fxWYh.175719$g24.112449 @newsfe12.phx: > But I do have you outclassed. So does a Cockroach! >>> I don't believe I could live if I was Shad O Shay. He must have a >>> plugged up prostate and male system from all the hundreds of miles of [quoted text clipped - 40 lines] > > Steve Are you going to get a stent? > Are you going to get a stent? More than likely. I am almost five years now post CABG X5, AVR. (coronary artery bypass graft on five arteries, aortic valve replacement) This will be my fifth angiogram/angioplasty in all. I have two bypasses that are not flowing as well as they should, and areas of my heart receiving insufficient oxygen, so I will probably get at least two more stents. But after that, I'm ready for Shad! Steve >> Are you going to get a stent? > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Steve Have you looked into heart perfusion? A laser is used to perfuse the heart with microscopic channels and is supposed to work well with ischemia. Jonathan King http://www.edwards.com/products/cardiac/co2laser.htm > after that, I'm ready for Shad! Aw, would you please just give the troll the cold shoulder instead? I *FINALLY* put him in a kill filter, refiltered the group's new messages and it poofed EIGHT articles! I'm just trying to separate some of the recently prolific "chaff" that has infested our "wheat".  Signature<sigh> JR >> after that, I'm ready for Shad! > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > I'm just trying to separate some of the recently prolific "chaff" that has > infested our "wheat". I have filtered the Shadster three times now, and he keeps morphing. Gotta have a sad life to keep morphing and coming up with all these tall tales that take hours in the day he just doesn't mathematically have due to excessive postings. Not to mention his new practice of comparing himself and insinuating close personal contact with known biking celebrities. Just some sad f.ck with a keyboard and ISP. Steve > Just some sad f*ck with a keyboard and ISP. Agreed. Our little group may have been a test for his skills. If we're lucky, he will take his skills elsewhere. To my utter dismay, many in this group gave him MORE than sufficient feedback to turn a pass-time into a passion. There is much to pity on BOTH sides of "the fence" between a troll - and those that feed him and keep him coming back. It is such accommodation that drives too many good participants away - to a MODERATED forum where such trolls do not exist. SignatureJR >> Just some sad f*ck with a keyboard and ISP. > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >It is such accommodation that drives too many good participants away - to a >MODERATED forum where such trolls do not exist. Ya, you can go to RV.NET where any comment less than roaring approval of liberal causes will get the post 'poofed'! You can posit that President Bush eats babies and steals millions from the poor, but point out a fallacy in the global warming bullshit and it will get pulled. /.,m I see where Dean <roamer@firstinter.net> contributed: >Ya, you can go to RV.NET where any comment less than roaring approval >of liberal causes will get the post 'poofed'! You can posit that >President Bush eats babies and steals millions from the poor, but >point out a fallacy in the global warming bullshit and it will get >pulled. Right. There are a few email lists and moderated groups that are nannied, and pretty much by definition you will read what the moderator thinks is OK for you to read. It may be a very benevolent and even a non-political dictatorship, but it is nevertheless a dictatorship - which I wish to shun. O'Shea is arguably one of the most obnoxious twits to pollute this particular space in a long time, but the solution is fairly simple - plonk him/her/it and those who incessantly try to respond. In any event, he is toothless, impotent and merely annoying compared to dictators. Will Sill GILLETTE'S PRINCIPLE: "If you want to make people angry, lie. If you want to make them absolutely livid with rage, tell the truth." > O'Shea is arguably one of the most obnoxious twits to pollute this > particular space in a long time, but the solution is fairly simple - > plonk him/her/it and those who incessantly try to respond. In any > event, he is toothless, impotent and merely annoying compared to > dictators. You can't even spell it right. It's O'Shay not O'Shea, dude. And so you think I'm obnoxious. Oh, my poor shattered ego! (not) Why is that? Is it because my views differ from your views? Is it because you see a modicum of truth in my posts that makes you ashamed of yourself? So you stick your head in the sand rather than use your brain to refute my valid points or have to realize you're just ignorant and wrong most of the time. I guess I can see the why of it. It probably hurts real bad to use a brain that's remained dormant for so long. Ha ha ha! On top of it all, you're probably an obese parody of a man. Attaboy fatso. Shad O'Shay > In article <HSuZh.215052$ZA5.205...@newsfe15.phx>, > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > <sigh> > JR 222222222222222222222222222222222222222 \|||/ (o o) ,----ooO--(_)-------. | Please | | feed the | | TROLL | '------------------------ |__|__| || || ooO Ooo \|||/ (o o) ,----ooO--(_)-------. | Please | | feed the | | TROLL | '------------------------ |__|__| || || ooO Ooo \|||/ (o o) ,----ooO--(_)-------. | Please | | feed the | | TROLL | '------------------------ |__|__| || || ooO Ooo You've managed to slither out of the killfile again. Back you go. Steve Dave, Rather than feed a troll that is destroying the usefulness of a good usenet group, Go to Google and more>>groups - put in the key words from the subject or the name of the poster. Google will give you back a list and you can pick one without the troll even knowing that he has snagged another. While, I do admit that I had to write that last posting just to point up what a completely self-righteous jerk and hypocrite this troll really is. I bet it will cause him to spew more venom (that I will never read as he will be even more throughly plonked now than before.) Enjoy the group, there is a lot of good here, a great collection of contributors and most of it is "on topic". Matt Colie > 'Dave, I have 2 requests: > -Please don't feed the trolls. That's what they want. Ignore them- they [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > behind Shads irrate behavior concerning RVers though and would > appreciate him clearing this up for me. Thanks. > Dave, I have 2 requests: <trollage about trolls snipped> Now, if you would grace us with your knowledge on the care and feeding of netnannies ............ Steve >> Dave, I have 2 requests: > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Steve He IS a freaking net nanny, isn't he? Always going around trying to control what everybody else does. What a w.nker the dude is. . . It's a good think he won't see this post because if he did he might get his wittle feelings hurt. Ohhh poor little thing! Shad O'Shay And, for those who wish to go Full Time, > it is often a far cheaper way to live while seeing North America at the > same time. Only if you can find a cheap deal to stay wherever you desire. Paying $30-$60 a night for an RV spot isn't cheap on top of all other expenses. >And, for those who wish to go Full Time, >> it is often a far cheaper way to live while seeing North America at the >> same time. > >Only if you can find a cheap deal to stay wherever you desire. Paying >$30-$60 a night for an RV spot isn't cheap on top of all other expenses. You must stay in 5-Star places. In almost 500 nights of RVing, I have averaged less than $18/night including membership fees in C2C/RPI and Passport America. That has put us in 47 states and 2 Provinces soon to be 48 states and 5 Provences. > You must stay in 5-Star places. In almost 500 nights of RVing, I have > averaged less than $18/night including membership fees in C2C/RPI and > Passport America. That has put us in 47 states and 2 Provinces soon > to be 48 states and 5 Provences. Depends on where you go. Take California for instance. Where's a nice place to go in San Diego for $18? Sure theres a few state parks and campgrounds in the foothills in that range. But no full service RV park that I'm aware of. How about Temecula, Solvang, Paso Robles, Monterrey areas? It depends on what you like. To me if I am full timing I don't wish to stay in essentially campgrounds that are only a small step above dry camping. Point is that there are many many popular destinations that are expensive because of the high demand for the region. Larger touristy areas are expensive, remote areas in less populated states such as AZ, NM, CO etc. are less especially in off season. It depends on where you go. I have paid anywheres from $10 to $60 a night but have never found a full service well run RV park for $18 but my travels so far are limited to the western states. Rustic campgrounds are in that price range. >> You must stay in 5-Star places. In almost 500 nights of RVing, I have >> averaged less than $18/night including membership fees in C2C/RPI and [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > campgrounds in the foothills in that range. But no full service RV park > that I'm aware of. I don't know of anything that's cheap in the San Diego area. We had a Thousand Trails membership and that saved us bundles when we wintered in SoCal. We stayed at their Pio Pico park outside of Chula Vista. > How about Temecula, Solvang, Paso Robles, Monterrey areas? It depends on > what you like. To me if I am full timing I don't wish to stay in > essentially campgrounds that are only a small step above dry camping. If you are a member of Escapees, they have a lovely park in Aguanga almost across the road from the expensive motorhome only park. Very close to Temecula. We stayed in the NACO (Thousand Trails) park in Menifee and in the Thousand Trails park near Tres Pines (sp) not too far from Monterrey. There is also one outside of Santa Barbara that's close enough to Solvang for coffee and Danish pastry in the morning. If one plans on spending most of their time on the left coast, a membership program would certainly save a bundle. It's hard for vacationers to comprehend, but full-timers don't usually have to be someplace and back within a specific time-frame. They can spend longer in one place and can take advantage of extended stay rates and membership camping programs that might night be suitable for vacationers. IMO, the only time fulltimers have to make tracks is when cold weather is setting in. Then they go to warm weather. Now that I'm just a vacationer we've let out Thousand Trails membership go. We still have our Coast to Coast affiliated resort but the dues for it are less than half of the annual TT dues and there are significantly more campgrounds. Passport America is the one we use the most. It is just a small annual fee that always has been repaid with a few nights of camping. One can get out of it by simply not joining again. No life-time contracts. No ownerships, etc. There are a couple of other "half-price" camping clubs around that emulate Passport, but, IMHO, they all have the same listings. SignatureJanet Wilder Bad spelling. Bad punctuation Good Friends. Good Life > I don't know of anything that's cheap in the San Diego area. We had a > Thousand Trails membership and that saved us bundles when we wintered in > SoCal. We stayed at their Pio Pico park outside of Chula Vista. I can't see joining Thousand Trails or any other such RV park membership that restricts you to only their parks. That makes traveling around the country rather limited. > If one plans on spending most of their time on the left coast, a > membership program would certainly save a bundle. Only if it allowed me to stay at any number of places and not just the resorts owned and run by said membership. That would be to restrictive on where we could go. > It's hard for vacationers to comprehend, but full-timers don't usually > have to be someplace and back within a specific time-frame. They can > spend longer in one place and can take advantage of extended stay rates > and membership camping programs that might night be suitable for > vacationers. IMO, the only time fulltimers have to make tracks is when > cold weather is setting in. Then they go to warm weather. Some resorts have excellent rates by the month. I haven't seen any decent deals for under 2 weeks. >> I don't know of anything that's cheap in the San Diego area. We had a >> Thousand Trails membership and that saved us bundles when we wintered in [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] >Some resorts have excellent rates by the month. I haven't seen any >decent deals for under 2 weeks. Miles (or whatever your name is), You justify your bias by placing ridiculous restrictions and limitations on any member ship CG. If I can use Passport America in 20% of my stays and RPI and C2C for another 20% each, Good Sam for 10% discount and KOA for some % off, I will. I still average under $18/night and manage to stay in mostly decent, clean and safe, CG's. In 690 nights in CG's I have only been disappointed 3-4 times. To place an impossible limitation on camping is a copout and excuse to be dumb. Good luck. > You justify your bias by placing ridiculous restrictions and > limitations on any member ship CG. If I can use Passport America in > 20% of my stays and RPI and C2C for another 20% each, Good Sam for 10% > discount and KOA for some % off, I will. I still average under > $18/night and manage to stay in mostly decent, clean and safe, CG's. Much depends on your style of campground and what area of the country you wish to travel to. I am a bit picky when it comes to RV parks. I have many discount memberships myself but most of them were free or close to it. They get me 10-20% off a night. Cheapest I've paid in California so far is about $30 a night. While the parks were clean and safe they're not the type I'd see myself full timing it at. Don't get me wrong, I have had fun almost anywhere with a preference to boondocking in the wilderness...but not if full timing it except for short stays. Just a personal preference. > Much depends on your style of campground and what area of the country > you wish to travel to. I am a bit picky when it comes to RV parks. I [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > boondocking in the wilderness...but not if full timing it except for > short stays. Just a personal preference. What are your preferences for RV parks when fulltiming? From this post it sounds like you just want to park your RV somewhere and live in it. If that's the case, consider a mobile home in a nice, gated mobile home park with a clubhouse and nightly bingo. Personally, I don't think you have a concept of what fulltime RVing is. SignatureJanet Wilder Bad spelling. Bad punctuation Good Friends. Good Life > From this post it sounds like you just want to park your RV somewhere > and live in it. If that's the case, consider a mobile home in a nice, > gated mobile home park with a clubhouse and nightly bingo. Not even close. I'd prefer to stay a month or two in any one spot. Sometimes longer, sometimes shorter. Some of the 55+ RV parks have the same social culture of the mobile home parks. Not for me. One of my favorite RV parks is Pechenga in Temecula, CA. While they have some odd policies the park is first class and all ages. I've met some great people there every time I've stayed. Few other parks I've been to are as nice in the western states. >> You justify your bias by placing ridiculous restrictions and >> limitations on any member ship CG. If I can use Passport America in [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >boondocking in the wilderness...but not if full timing it except for >short stays. Just a personal preference. "Cheap" and "picky" don't fit in the same sentence. Again, you are placing ridiculous limitations. They you talk about travelling to an RV park and say some are not the kind you would want to "full-time" at them. Just what the hell do you want to do? Complain, as I see it. You are nothing but a troll. >> I don't know of anything that's cheap in the San Diego area. We had a >> Thousand Trails membership and that saved us bundles when we wintered [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > that restricts you to only their parks. That makes traveling around the > country rather limited. I never suggested it. You snipped that portion. BTW, a Thousand TRails/NACO membership will allow you to join RPI which does broaden the number of places by quite a lot. You need to do some research on your own before making decisions. >> If one plans on spending most of their time on the left coast, a >> membership program would certainly save a bundle. > > Only if it allowed me to stay at any number of places and not just the > resorts owned and run by said membership. That would be to restrictive > on where we could go. We spent 14 months between November 1997 and December 1998 in the system. Except for a couple of RV rallies and a handful of nights out because there were no parks on the travel route, we stayed, exclusively in TTNs. For the year 1998, our camping fees, excluding the rallies, but including our TTN, C2C and RPI dues ( and probably dues to the now defunct CCA) ran us less than $1,100. We traveled from the San Diego area to British Columbia then back down the coast again and over to Texas. Fulltiming is not about running all over the place non-stop. It's an opportunity to stop and explore America without a schedule. You'll probably learn that in year 2 or 3. >> It's hard for vacationers to comprehend, but full-timers don't usually >> have to be someplace and back within a specific time-frame. They can [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Some resorts have excellent rates by the month. I haven't seen any > decent deals for under 2 weeks. Many have specials for a week. Usually is pay for 6 nights and get the 7th free. You have to do some more research if you are really serious. SignatureJanet Wilder Bad spelling. Bad punctuation Good Friends. Good Life > Fulltiming is not about running all over the place non-stop. It's an > opportunity to stop and explore America without a schedule. You'll > probably learn that in year 2 or 3. That I completely agree with. Others here said for full timing boondock, use walmarts etc. Most forest service land limits stays to 14 days and not all states allow it. >> Fulltiming is not about running all over the place non-stop. It's an >> opportunity to stop and explore America without a schedule. You'll [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > use walmarts etc. Most forest service land limits stays to 14 days and > not all states allow it. If you've ever spent much time in US Forest Service areas, or BLM areas, you must know that you can go for very long periods of time, like months, and not see any of the personnel. As for the 14 day rule, they will usually tell you that you have to be gone in 14 days even if you've already been there for a month. I do believe that I could travel the western United States, stay on federal land all the time, and not spend a dime on camping fees for a whole summer. Of course, one would have to know all the side roads and back roads and little places, but I've boondocked in some absolutely spectacular places where you can't hear a car or see a manmade light at night. And unless you have built a lean to, or are running a meth lab, most of the government personnel will just ignore you. Steve > If you've ever spent much time in US Forest Service areas, or BLM areas, you > must know that you can go for very long periods of time, like months, and > not see any of the personnel. As for the 14 day rule, they will usually > tell you that you have to be gone in 14 days even if you've already been > there for a month That's true but I tend to agree with the law. It's there for a good reason. Otherwise some of the nicest areas become filthy run down homestead RV parks rather than wilderness. Saw it happen at a place called Sheeps Crossing in AZ. Once they enforced the law the area returned to a nice place to go. I have been to some of the most remote places in AZ, sometimes 4x4'ing with a lifted trailer in tow. One morning here comes the local sheriff in his 4x4 jeep just to check out the place! > I do believe that I could travel the western United States, stay on federal > land all the time, and not spend a dime on camping fees for a whole summer. > Of course, one would have to know all the side roads and back roads and > little places, but I've boondocked in some absolutely spectacular places > where you can't hear a car or see a manmade light at night. I have been told that boondocking isn't so easy in much of the eastern states and people have to stay in campgrounds etc. I dont know what states that may apply too. > And unless you have built a lean to, or are running a meth lab, most of the > government personnel will just ignore you. Not here in Arizona. They get after homesteaders. They've trashed too many of the best places to camp. If its 100 miles down a dirt road they might not bother you for awhile. Most anywhere else they will. The place I referred to above is down 20 miles of dirt road and well over 100 miles from a major city. Yet, they wont allow anyone past 14 days. The > place I referred to above is down 20 miles of dirt road and well over 100 > miles from a major city. Yet, they wont allow anyone past 14 days. Sounds like my kind of place, even if for only 14 days. You gotta admit, boondocking does have its up sides. Steve > Sounds like my kind of place, even if for only 14 days. You gotta admit, > boondocking does have its up sides. Oh I love it and Arizona is a great state for boondocking. So much open forest land with numerous lakes and streams. It is getting more difficult to find great places as the population keeps rising and they pave more of the roads. Some places that used to be free are now considered unimproved camping locations and are $8/night. These are preferred areas that are right on the water (lake, stream) but you can still just camp a 1/2 mile away for free. Some places that used to be free are now > considered unimproved camping locations and are $8/night. These are > preferred areas that are right on the water (lake, stream) but you can > still just camp a 1/2 mile away for free. And not have to listen to screaming kids and Buck Owens CDs. Steve > And not have to listen to screaming kids and Buck Owens CDs. Several times I have driven far away from any people and setup camp. Only to have someone else pull in and park 20 feet away when theres an entire forest to pull into. In those cases I make all the noise I want! >> And not have to listen to screaming kids and Buck Owens CDs. > > Several times I have driven far away from any people and setup camp. Only > to have someone else pull in and park 20 feet away when theres an entire > forest to pull into. In those cases I make all the noise I want! I usually just start target shooting .............. Steve >Depends on where you go. Take California for instance. Where's a nice >place to go in San Diego for $18? Sure theres a few state parks and [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] >full service well run RV park for $18 but my travels so far are limited >to the western states. Rustic campgrounds are in that price range. "Take California for instance." I wouldn't take it if you gave it to me. I can bear San Diego but the rest is a sewer. But 3 years ago we stayed in Isleton for $8/nite (Very nice ), Reddington (Bear Mtn RV) for $10/nite and Camper Village (near the beach) in Crescent City, for 12.50/nite. These were over 5 on a 1-10 scale anyway. Dean > "Take California for instance." I wouldn't take it if you gave it to > me. I can bear San Diego but the rest is a sewer. You don't know California then! I agree that much of it is a sewer but there are some fantastic remote places in the state especially in the east-central and far northern. >>And, for those who wish to go Full Time, >>> it is often a far cheaper way to live while seeing North America at the [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Passport America. That has put us in 47 states and 2 Provinces soon > to be 48 states and 5 Provences. Same experience here- been to many full-service campgrounds, average nightly price about $20 with Good Sam discount. We are a few more years from "full-timing" during the off-season (plan to open a seasonal campground in the Ozark mountains) but we have seen monthly full hookup rates from $200 to $450, plus monthly metered electricity. > Same experience here- been to many full-service campgrounds, average nightly > price about $20 with Good Sam discount. Very few full service rv parks here in AZ or California are only $20. The ones that are tend to be remote or in areas people really dont with to stay very long at. KOA at Lost Hills on I-5 is one such place. 1 night there is plenty!! >> Same experience here- been to many full-service campgrounds, average >> nightly price about $20 with Good Sam discount. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > to stay very long at. KOA at Lost Hills on I-5 is one such place. 1 > night there is plenty!! KOA stands for "keep on adding" We avoid them as much as possible as they give us the least for our money. I suppose if one has a bunch of little ones they are alright. SignatureJanet Wilder Bad spelling. Bad punctuation Good Friends. Good Life >>> Same experience here- been to many full-service campgrounds, average >>> nightly price about $20 with Good Sam discount. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > they give us the least for our money. I suppose if one has a bunch of > little ones they are alright. no rug ratz? r u a lezboid? todd > And, for those who wish to go Full Time, >> it is often a far cheaper way to live while seeing North America at the >> same time. > > Only if you can find a cheap deal to stay wherever you desire. Paying > $30-$60 a night for an RV spot isn't cheap on top of all other expenses. WalMart, Flying J, Petro, Cracker Barrel. >> Only if you can find a cheap deal to stay wherever you desire. Paying >> $30-$60 a night for an RV spot isn't cheap on top of all other expenses. Boondocking is an acquired taste, and only for those not afraid of the dark. Steve > Boondocking is an acquired taste, and only for those not afraid of the dark. I mostly boondock and love it. However, I wouldn't do that so much if I were full timing it. On most federal land you can't stay more than 14 days. >> Boondocking is an acquired taste, and only for those not afraid of the >> dark. > > I mostly boondock and love it. However, I wouldn't do that so much if I > were full timing it. On most federal land you can't stay more than 14 > days. Who wants to stay that long anywhere? And if you do hit the fourteen day limit, you just move over 100 feet. Steve > Who wants to stay that long anywhere? And if you do hit the fourteen day > limit, you just move over 100 feet. Most full timers I know do not move every few days. Always on the go gets old. As for moving only 100 feet thats not true at all. You must leave the particular area. >> Who wants to stay that long anywhere? And if you do hit the fourteen day >> limit, you just move over 100 feet. > > Most full timers I know do not move every few days. Always on the go gets > old. As for moving only 100 feet thats not true at all. You must leave > the particular area. Would you please share your experiences full timing with us? Steve >>> Who wants to stay that long anywhere? And if you do hit the fourteen day >>> limit, you just move over 100 feet. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Would you please share your experiences full timing with us? I'll share mine---9 years of it. After trying out winter places for the first couple of years, staying 2 weeks at a time and moving on, we found a place where we liked wintering. We would spend 3 months there. Other than the 3 month period and ONE 3 week period when I helped my daughter after the birth of our first grandchild, we never stayed longer than 2 weeks in any one place. Our summers were filled with travel. We would use the stationary winter months to plan our summer adventures. Many of those trips involved single night stops in an area we were just traveling through. Most of the time we tried to find something of interest in that place and did. We RVd to Alaska. We visited the Maritime Provinces in Canada twice, once traveling to Newfoundland and Labrador. We went to the Rocky Mountains, in Canada and in the US. We visited the mid-west around the Great Lakes. We treked through New England. We spent time in the Pacific Northwest. We spent an entire summer visiting the state of New York. There was so much to see and do there that we will certainly go back again. Our best trip of all was the summer of 2004 when we followed the Lewis and Clark Trail from the confluence of the Mississippi and Missouri Rivers to the Pacific Ocean in Seaside, Oregon. I'm a homebody. I hate leaving home. Fulltiming was a way for me to experience the beauty and wonders of our great country without leaving home. I just took it with me. <g> SignatureJanet Wilder Bad spelling. Bad punctuation Good Friends. Good Life Steve, The Desert Traveler wrote: >> Would you please share your experiences full timing with us? To which Janet replied: > I'll share mine---9 years of it. Everyone has their idea of the ideal campground/RV Park/whatever. We all like something different. I was just asking miles about his experience as he seems to have so much advice to impart, and such strong feelings about these things. I was just wondering what he based those on, and would he care to share them with us, like you did, to verify and demonstrate his credibility. I KNOW you're an old hand at this, Janet. I'm just not sure about miles, and have yet to hear his answer to my question. Steve > like you did, to verify and demonstrate his credibility. Huh? I'm not worried about my credibility!! This is a discussion. Not trying to prove nor win anything here so why the beef? Everyone has their own likes and dislikes. Deal with it!! I have spent the past 30 years RV'ing and stay out about 100 nights a year. Not full timing but far more than the average non-full timer. Like I said, I know what I like and don't like and thats what this is all about. Sharing ideas, and general conversation. It's not a contest so I'm not trying to win you nor anyone else over. Do what works best for you and be happy! > Who wants to stay that long anywhere? And if you do hit the fourteen day > limit, you just move over 100 feet. Lots of people want to stay in an area longer than that, you just haven't met any, Steve. SignatureJanet Wilder Bad spelling. Bad punctuation Good Friends. Good Life > WalMart, Flying J, Petro, Cracker Barrel. Sure dry camping is cheap. I do that while on the road at times but I can't see doing that when full timing. Remember, full timing means this is your home. A walmart parking lot isn't exactly a nice warm living experience. >> WalMart, Flying J, Petro, Cracker Barrel. > > Sure dry camping is cheap. I do that while on the road at times but I > can't see doing that when full timing. Remember, full timing means this > is your home. A walmart parking lot isn't exactly a nice warm living > experience. No, but for a place to pull in, get some groceries, catch some zz's, and save some bucks, they sure fill the bill. Lots of times, that's all you want to do, and not have to do it between four semis idling all night. Steve > No, but for a place to pull in, get some groceries, catch some zz's, and > save some bucks, they sure fill the bill. Lots of times, that's all you > want to do, and not have to do it between four semis idling all night. Yes for RV'ers on a trip. Not for full timers as a routine place to live. >> WalMart, Flying J, Petro, Cracker Barrel. > > Sure dry camping is cheap. I do that while on the road at times but I > can't see doing that when full timing. Remember, full timing means this > is your home. A walmart parking lot isn't exactly a nice warm living > experience. We fulltimed for 9 years and spent exactly one night at a WalMart. We purchased memberships while still working so we didn't have to use our retirement funds. They worked great for us. They will NOT work great for every fulltimer. SignatureJanet Wilder Bad spelling. Bad punctuation Good Friends. Good Life > And, for those who wish to go Full Time, >> it is often a far cheaper way to live while seeing North America at the >> same time. > > Only if you can find a cheap deal to stay wherever you desire. Paying > $30-$60 a night for an RV spot isn't cheap on top of all other expenses. You need to look into Passport America. SignatureJanet Wilder Bad spelling. Bad punctuation Good Friends. Good Life > You need to look into Passport America. Possibly but I've heard more bad things said about it than good. >> You need to look into Passport America. > >Possibly but I've heard more bad things said about it than good. I don't believe that for a minute. In 4 years on RV newsgroups, I have only seen 2-3 negative comments about PPA and hundreds of positives. I have seen PPA parks that appear undesireable but I won't stay in those. I have run across far more that are above average. I will say that the east coast parks are, on the average, one or two steps below average compared to west of the Mississippi. > I don't believe that for a minute. In 4 years on RV newsgroups, I > have only seen 2-3 negative comments about PPA and hundreds of > positives. I have seen PPA parks that appear undesireable but I won't > stay in those. I have run across far more that are above average. I > will say that the east coast parks are, on the average, one or two > steps below average compared to west of the Mississippi. The parks aren't the issue. It's the amount of savings and the availability thats the problem. I have heard numerous reports that the discounts are not valid at a given park during any part of the year that is considered peak and sometimes moderate. That makes sense why a park would only honor discounts in the off season. >> You need to look into Passport America. > > Possibly but I've heard more bad things said about it than good. I haven't. The few people who speak badly of it never looked into it before they purchased. If they didn't get use from it it cost them about $50. Here are a few things that you need to know: 1. you might find some high-end campgrounds listed but most are not. Most are places to park and hookup with relative security. Many are quite pleasant, just not "fancy". 2. the majority of participating parks have restrictions. They make sites available for half-price in order to fill empty ones. When it's a high-use period, one would not expect a business to forgo profit. 3. like most other campgrounds there can be extra charges for 50 amp service, etc. We've had Passport America for about 7 years. We haven't had any problems with the system. We didn't have untenable expectations and we read the fine-print. As briefly mentioned above, Passport America participating businesses are trying to fill unused spaces. The owners of the parks figure that half-price is better than empty. If a camper likes their place, chances they will come back or even stay longer at an extended-stay rate. It's a business decision. We've stayed at some really awesome parks with Passport affiliation for well under $20 per night. Before you make a decision, check out their web site. SignatureJanet Wilder Bad spelling. Bad punctuation Good Friends. Good Life > I haven't. The few people who speak badly of it never looked into it > before they purchased. If they didn't get use from it it cost them about > $50. Most of the parks I frequent do not give discounts for PA. They do for Good Sam or AAA but thats typically only 10-20%. Maybe its popularity varies by state or part of country? > Here are a few things that you need to know: > > 1. you might find some high-end campgrounds listed but most are not. > Most are places to park and hookup with relative security. Many are > quite pleasant, just not "fancy". Thats part of the issue for me. I either boondock in the wilderness or I want a top notch full service park. Anything less than top notch and I just assume boondock it for an even nicer experience. Trouble is, many states don't allow much in the way of boondocking. Here in AZ you can camp almost anywhere on federal forest service land for up to 14 days in one spot. > 2. the majority of participating parks have restrictions. They make > sites available for half-price in order to fill empty ones. When it's a > high-use period, one would not expect a business to forgo profit. Thats the other problem with PA. Generally good only in off season which is understandable for a park to do but doesn't help the full timer much. > We've had Passport America for about 7 years. We haven't had any > problems with the system. We didn't have untenable expectations and we > read the fine-print. I have several different discount cards and use them when and where I can. They all work fine but are insufficient to make full timing affordable. My Good Sam card is well worth the $20 I paid for it. >> I haven't. The few people who speak badly of it never looked into it >> before they purchased. If they didn't get use from it it cost them [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Good Sam or AAA but thats typically only 10-20%. Maybe its popularity > varies by state or part of country? When "camping" the ambiance is more important than when full timing. You'll learn that. >> Here are a few things that you need to know: >> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Thats part of the issue for me. I either boondock in the wilderness or > I want a top notch full service park. I don't think you will like full timing. Full timers have to be flexible and you aren't. Don't sell the house. >> 2. the majority of participating parks have restrictions. They make >> sites available for half-price in order to fill empty ones. When it's [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > which is understandable for a park to do but doesn't help the full timer > much. Certainly not true. We've traveled back and forth across the country using Passport America and have been able to use them extensively even in season. I personally know hundreds of full timers who wouldn't be without their Passport America memberships. Your knowledge is faulty. You need to do some research on your own and not listen to rumors. >> We've had Passport America for about 7 years. We haven't had any >> problems with the system. We didn't have untenable expectations and we [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > can. They all work fine but are insufficient to make full timing > affordable. My Good Sam card is well worth the $20 I paid for it. IMO, the Good Sam card is only second in uselessness to the KOA card. The KOA card is a major rip-off. For you, sir, full timing will not be affordable. You have already made up your mind about the kind of programs that will save you money. You have decided that staying in a snobby, posh resort is more important to you than saving money. I have met people like you in my travels and they don't last long on the road. They ultimately wind up hunkered down in one spot and getting a job to afford their expensive taste in RV parks. I've tried to help but you are a helpless whiner. Good luck. SignatureJanet Wilder Bad spelling. Bad punctuation Good Friends. Good Life > When "camping" the ambiance is more important than when full timing. > You'll learn that. Thats true. When camping I prefer remoteness. Thats why I prefer boondocking. Most people who 'camp' tend to go to campgrounds which I don't like for any reason. However, if full timing and staying in one spot more than just a week or two I'd rather have a full service park. > I don't think you will like full timing. Full timers have to be flexible > and you aren't. Don't sell the house. Most people don't like boondocking which I greatly prefer. I don't care for places such as the campground shown in the old Vacation movie. Too many campgrounds are like that. If flexibility means having to stay in packed, noisy crowded campgrounds then you're right. However, I believe there are better alternatives. > IMO, the Good Sam card is only second in uselessness to the KOA card. > The KOA card is a major rip-off. I only know of a few KOA's that are worth staying at. However, almost every RV park I have ever been to gives 10-20% off with Good Sam. It's worth the $20 for the card. >You have already made > up your mind about the kind of programs that will save you money. You > have decided that staying in a snobby, posh resort is more important to > you than saving money. Sounds like you got a bit of a bias against the nicer RV parks!! Thats just as bad as the snobbery you accuse them of having. > Sounds like you got a bit of a bias against the nicer RV parks!! Thats > just as bad as the snobbery you accuse them of having. I have no problems with what you call "the nicer RV parks" but I don't find any reason to spend more on an RV park than I would on a nice motel or resort where someone else changes and washes the sheets and makes the bed every day. You wanted to know how to save money as a fulltimer. You were offered advice and countered the advice with your prejudices. More advice: don't sell the house. SignatureJanet Wilder Bad spelling. Bad punctuation Good Friends. Good Life >> Sounds like you got a bit of a bias against the nicer RV parks!! Thats >> just as bad as the snobbery you accuse them of having. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > More advice: don't sell the house. Touche, Janet! (pronounced janNAY) >>> Sounds like you got a bit of a bias against the nicer RV parks!! Thats >>> just as bad as the snobbery you accuse them of having. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Touche, Janet! (pronounced janNAY) LOL! SignatureJanet Wilder Bad spelling. Bad punctuation Good Friends. Good Life > Touche, Janet! (pronounced janNAY) So it's all just a usenet game for you to win huh? Some peoples kids. >> Touche, Janet! (pronounced janNAY) > > So it's all just a usenet game for you to win huh? Some peoples kids. Good Grief, Charlie Brown! >> Touche, Janet! (pronounced janNAY) > > So it's all just a usenet game for you to win huh? Some peoples kids. Hardly! Janet's had a decade of full-timing and gave you the benefit of her hard- won knowledge. If you're too stupid to take advantage of it, it'd be best for you to forget RVs entirely. > Janet's had a decade of full-timing and gave you the benefit of her hard- > won knowledge. Why? Because her style of full-timing doesn't match mine? I know many who do full time but not per the walmart or "National Lampoons Vacation movie" style campground. I'll have to do some more digging and see how they do it but it can be done. What is it with you people? Can't have differing opinions and wants and needs? Theres only one way, Janets way or not at all? Good grief!! Such an attitude! > If you're too stupid to take advantage of it, it'd be best for you to > forget RVs entirely. Now you resort to the typical usenet trash name calling routine. Too funny!! > Now you resort to the typical usenet trash name calling routine. Too > funny!! I don't "weasle word" but simply "tell it like it is". When a poster suddenly appears, posts like a Troll, acts like a Troll, and does nothing but Troll, I consider that poster to be a Troll and respond to the poster as I would to any Troll. Drop dead, Troll, ASAP. > When a poster suddenly appears, posts like a Troll, acts like a Troll, and > does nothing but Troll, I consider that poster to be a Troll and respond to > the poster as I would to any Troll. > > Drop dead, Troll, ASAP. Your whining do it my way or else, name calling, ranting about a troll etc. rather than taking part in discussion is acceptable to you huh? Good grief!! > > Now you resort to the typical usenet trash name calling routine. Too > > funny!! [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Drop dead, Troll, ASAP. \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ \|||/ (o o) ,----ooO--(_)-------. | Please | | feed the | | TROLL! | '------------------------ |__|__| || || ooO Ooo \|||/ (o o) ,----ooO--(_)-------. | Please | | feed the | | TROLL! | '------------------------ |__|__| || || ooO Ooo \|||/ (o o) ,----ooO--(_)-------. | Please | | feed the | | TROLL! | '------------------------ |__|__| || || ooO Ooo >> Janet's had a decade of full-timing and gave you the benefit of her hard- >> won knowledge. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > needs? Theres only one way, Janets way or not at all? Good grief!! > Such an attitude! Good Grief, Man! Not only I but other people gave you suggestions. You were the one coming here and whining about how expensive your choice of snotty up-scale RV parks were. You were the one who asked *us* how you could save money full timing. Don't you even read your own posts. >> If you're too stupid to take advantage of it, it'd be best for you to >> forget RVs entirely. > > Now you resort to the typical usenet trash name calling routine. Too > funny!! He's right. There is something the matter with you. SignatureJanet Wilder Bad spelling. Bad punctuation Good Friends. Good Life > Good Grief, Man! Not only I but other people gave you suggestions. You > were the one coming here and whining about how expensive your choice of > snotty up-scale RV parks were. You mentioned snotty RV parks not me. I haven't been to any snotty rv parks so I wouldn't know what your reference is. What works for me can be done. I know people that do so I'll have to ask them. I asked you how and basically you don't know. Instead of simply saying that, you ranted along the lines that your way is the only way and if I don't like it tough doo doo. What is your problem? Why an argument? If you don't know how people stay in something other than walmart parking lots or scummy dump campgrounds without going broke then just say you don't know. >> Good Grief, Man! Not only I but other people gave you suggestions. You >> were the one coming here and whining about how expensive your choice >> of snotty up-scale RV parks were. > > You mentioned snotty RV parks not me. I haven't been to any snotty rv > parks so I wouldn't know what your reference is. When you discuss the types of people staying at cheaper RV parks and the fact that you don't want to associate with them, one gets the impression of snottiness. > What works for me can be done. I know people that do so I'll have to > ask them. I asked you how and basically you don't know. Then why did you bother us? Funny how not a single person here gave you the answer you expected, though many of us tried to help you. >Instead of > simply saying that, you ranted along the lines that your way is the only > way and if I don't like it tough doo doo. What is your problem? Why an > argument? I gave you several suggestions. None of them were good enough for you because no one can tell you how to save money if you only want to stay in $50 per night campgrounds. > If you don't know how people stay in something other than > walmart parking lots or scummy dump campgrounds without going broke then > just say you don't know. We fulltimed for 9 years and only once stayed in a "scummy dump" campground because it was the best we could get near a family member with a need for our assistance. We rarely paid over $20 per night during all that time. Your problem, fella, is that anything that is not a five-star, high-priced campground to you is a "scummy dump" You are not open to learning or advice. You have made up your mind about all other campgrounds before even seeing them, so no one can help you. I strongly suggest you go to the archives and re-read your own posts. SignatureJanet Wilder Bad spelling. Bad punctuation Good Friends. Good Life > When you discuss the types of people staying at cheaper RV parks and the > fact that you don't want to associate with them, one gets the > impression of snottiness. I have no idea where you got that from. I never said anything about people. I mentioned full service parks, never talked about people. Somebody else may have but it wasn't me. I'll await your apology. > Then why did you bother us? Funny how not a single person here gave you > the answer you expected, though many of us tried to help you. Thats usenet for ya! > I gave you several suggestions. None of them were good enough for you > because no one can tell you how to save money if you only want to stay > in $50 per night campgrounds. Not so. Only a couple people replied. Hardly representative of the RV community. I had better information from RV.NET forums on this matter. > We fulltimed for 9 years and only once stayed in a "scummy dump" > campground because it was the best we could get near a family member > with a need for our assistance. We rarely paid over $20 per night during > all that time. Great. Tell me of such a place in the San Diego, Temecula, Buellton, Paso Robles or Monterrey areas especially San Diego. > Your problem, fella, is that anything that is not a five-star, > high-priced campground to you is a "scummy dump" And most anything above a dump is an overpriced snotty park to you. Geez you love to argue!! > You are not open to > learning or advice. Not so. It is YOU who can't handle someone with differing views. It's Janets way or no way! Good grief. Learn a bit more and not be so narrow minded. You really have no clue what I like or don't like. You decided instantly that I only go to ultra fancy high $ parks. I never said that. You started bitching from the start. Kinda funny!! > You have made up your mind about all other > campgrounds before even seeing them, so no one can help you. You never gave any suggestions. Not a one so don't give me that crap. Suggestions to me were a Walmart parking lot, truck stops and a few other rather generic ideas. Those are what I have no interest in. Quit your frigg'n arguing!! > I strongly suggest you go to the archives and re-read your own posts. I suggest you do the exact same thing. Especially with regards to your insinuation that I talked about types of people at different parks. I'll await your apology but I'm sure you'll spin something to get out of it. > >> Good Grief, Man! Not only I but other people gave you suggestions. You > >> were the one coming here and whining about how expensive your choice [quoted text clipped - 42 lines] > Bad spelling. Bad punctuation > Good Friends. Good Life 2222266666666666888888888888888999999999999999 \|||/ (o o) ,----ooO--(_)-------. |Please feed Janet the Queen of the| | TROLLS | '------------------------ |__|__| || || ooO Ooo > What works for me can be done. I know people that do so I'll have to > ask them. I asked you how and basically you don't know. Instead of [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > than walmart parking lots or scummy dump campgrounds without going > broke then just say you don't know. Please don't mind Janet Wilder's rantings. She's probably having PMS again. At her best she's got a short fuse. Now that it's getting warmer obese people like her tend to get very testy because it's harder for them to sleep because they sweat so much. Just try to ignore her whining. Women can't really help it. Shad O'Shay >> What works for me can be done. I know people that do so I'll have to >> ask them. I asked you how and basically you don't know. Instead of [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Shad O'Shay give janet a brake. she said shes a lezboid and no kids. mad at the hole world. running from waysted life in little rv. todd > give janet a brake. she said shes a lezboid and no kids. mad at the hole > world. running from waysted life in little rv. > > todd www.hookedonphonics.com Give it a try. Steve |
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