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Car Forum / Driving, Maintenance, Tuning / RVs / May 2007The Ultimate RV
The ultimate RV would do the following: 1. Get very high gas mileage. 2. Be able to go over most of the surface of the earth. 3. Require no campground fees or hook ups. 4. Be totally self reliant. 5. Not pollute. 6. Capable of going into remote regions. 7. Hold lots of stuff. 8. Low maintenance. 9. Last a long time. 10. Can't be operated by idiots or the out of shape. There is only on type of RV that accomplishes all of the above. It is a sailboat. Sailboats are the ultimate RVs. You say they don't work on land? Well then my friends, carry along a bicycle and a good pair of boots and you can cover the entire surface of the earth! RC Collins There is a maker of "shanty boats" that promotes using the boat on its trailer as a RV when it is not in the water. > The ultimate RV would do the following: > [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > > RC Collins RC, Do You Even Actually Know Anybody that Owns a Sailboat? 1, 2 & 3 are close, but you can not get to 5 and have 3. 3 is still a problem as many eastcoast harbors will charge you if you put your own hook in their mud. 4 is interesting, because that ties to the others. = Where do you pumpout or get fresh water? = If you make fresh water - that is real expensive = If you don't need pump out, you can not go lots of places 7 I lived aboard a good portion of my life, and we never had enough room to store everything. 8 Don't even go here, I was laughing so hard that the tears were running onto the key board. = Sails don't last forever and require constant maintenance = Bottom paint is about 200$ a gallon and lasts a season - maybe = Hauling to do the bottom is not cheap (unless you careen) = All the running rigging has a limited life = The should be disassembled and inspected sometime = Nothing that breaks is cheap - everything is SS or Bronze 9 Plastic boat - sort of, but wood - forget it 10 Well, there is a limit there. As with almost any water craft, Darwin will take care of some of those. I will admit that a week's cruise on the sloop is probably less cash out of pocket than a week of traveling in the HM, but you have to remember that BOAT is an acronym for Break Out Another Thousand. Matt Colie A.Sloop "Bonne Ide'e" (say Bonny Day) Class A "Chaumiere" (say Show Me Air) > The ultimate RV would do the following: > [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > > RC Collins  Signaturetarget of diversity victim of affirmative action refugee from the war on poverty minimized by political correctness > 7 I lived aboard a good portion of my life, and we never > had enough room to store everything. Then you had a boat that was too small. You need to get a boat big enough for you, your things and a handful of friends (mostly lady friends, of course). > 8 Don't even go here, I was laughing so hard that the tears > were running onto the key board. > = Sails don't last forever and require constant maintenance That's not true. A good set of quality sails lasts years and years. Especially if they are rolled up inside the mast or rolled up on the front of the boat. > = Bottom paint is about 200$ a gallon and lasts a season - maybe Not true again. If you get good quality bottom paint it last two or three seasons. And, don't forget you can write most expenses off on your taxes if you incorporate. > = Hauling to do the bottom is not cheap (unless you careen) Write it off on taxes. Duh! > = All the running rigging has a limited life It'll last ten or twenty years. Hardly a big deal. >> I will admit that a week's cruise on the sloop is probably less cash >> out > of pocket than a week of traveling in the HM, but you have to remember > that BOAT is an acronym for Break Out Another Thousand. You're just plain wrong there, dude. Buy a new boat, insure it and have a full-time captain and crew and use it as a tax deduction. It's basically a free ride. But first you have to be making some serious coin. I guess that leaves you RVers who used to dabble in little day-sailing boats out in the cold. Shad O'Shay | The ultimate RV would do the following: | | 1. Get very high gas mileage. Wind is free but sales cost like fury. | 2. Be able to go over most of the surface of the earth. | 3. Require no campground fees or hook ups. Dock/moorage fees will kill you alive. | 4. Be totally self reliant. Only if your name is Columbus. | 5. Not pollute. | 6. Capable of going into remote regions. | | 7. Hold lots of stuff. Only if you don't mind that half of it gets soaked. | 8. Low maintenance. HA. A sailboat is a hole in the water lined with something suitably water proof that is one is required to constantly poor (sic) money into to kept afloat. | 9. Last a long time. a) See 8 above b) Katrina | 10. Can't be operated by idiots or the out of shape. USCG might take exception to that assumption. | There is only on type of RV that accomplishes all of the above. It is | a sailboat. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] | | RC Collins Former owner (aka indentured servant) 'The Wind Instrument' which is now a pile of debits on/in the Mississippi Gulf Coast. > | The ultimate RV would do the following: > | [quoted text clipped - 47 lines] > Former owner (aka indentured servant) 'The Wind Instrument' which is now a > pile of debits on/in the Mississippi Gulf Coast. How about a Conestoga Wagon except for the no pollution part. but fertilizer can be recycled. | ".. | > | The ultimate RV would do the following: [quoted text clipped - 48 lines] | > Former owner (aka indentured servant) 'The Wind Instrument' which is now a | > pile of debits on/in the Mississippi Gulf Coast. | How about a Conestoga Wagon except for the no pollution part. but | fertilizer can be recycled. Have you ever ridden behind a horse's behind for any length of time? No pollution? >| How about a Conestoga Wagon except for the no pollution part. but >| fertilizer can be recycled. >Have you ever ridden behind a horse's behind for any length of time? No >pollution? Horse poop is not an "air pollutant" in the same sense that petroleum fumes are. GB in NC Signature"GBinNC" | | >| How about a Conestoga Wagon except for the no pollution part. but [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] | | GB in NC Gas fumes either petroleum or methane are not pleasant. I know how to put a cap on the fuel tank but have yet to find an effective cork for a horses' a.s. >| >Have you ever ridden behind a horse's behind for any length of time? No >| >pollution? >| Horse poop is not an "air pollutant" in the same sense that petroleum >| fumes are. >| >| GB in NC >Gas fumes either petroleum or methane are not pleasant. I know how to put a >cap on the fuel tank but have yet to find an effective cork for a horses' >a.s. A cap on the fuel tank won't help cut emissions from the exhaust. My point is that the methane from a horse probably doesn't do as much lasting damage to the atmosphere as the exhaust from an engine. BTW, I read somewhere recently that the vastly greater amount of methane emitted by cows comes not from flatulence but from belching.... GB in NC > A cap on the fuel tank won't help cut emissions from the exhaust. If it is the cap on the fuel tank of a late model automobile, it does indeed reduce exhaust emissions. The degree to which it does this is certainly debatable. Modern fuel systems are a closed (pressurized?) system - an integral part of the emissions control system. > the methane from a horse probably doesn't do as much > lasting damage to the atmosphere as the exhaust from an engine. How about comparing the methane output from a NUMBER of horses equal to the horsepower rating for that single engine? > I read somewhere recently that the vastly greater amount of methane > emitted by cows comes not from flatulence but from belching.... That's debatable on at least TWO points: Farting vs belching, and... I was unaware that a belch (bovine or otherwise) contains methane gas. I suppose it could, though, since methane is a byproduct of decomposition, isn't it? Signature:) JR >> I read somewhere recently that the vastly greater amount of methane >> emitted by cows comes not from flatulence but from belching.... >That's debatable on at least TWO points: Farting vs belching, and... > >I was unaware that a belch (bovine or otherwise) contains methane gas. I >suppose it could, though, since methane is a byproduct of decomposition, isn't >it? I don't claim to be an expert on this topic. I'll leave that to others. I don't even remember where I heard or read it. GB in NC > I don't claim to be an expert on this topic. I'll leave that to others. You are gracious, indeed, considering I (hopefully modestly) challenged what you wrote. > I don't even remember where I heard or read it. I am always amused that we have come to the point where we (some of us) are concerned about the environmental impact of cow farts - and now belches. ...and in a forum where participating in the activity the forum supports usually leaves a HUGE "carbon footprint". Signature:) JR > That's debatable on at least TWO points: Farting vs belching, and... > > I was unaware that a belch (bovine or otherwise) contains methane gas. I > suppose it could, though, since methane is a byproduct of decomposition, isn't > it? Did you have high school biology? Ruminants (things that chew cud) have multiple stomaches so they a can let the vegetation eaten soak in the solution in the mid-process tanks before re-chewing. That does sound like a better idea than a rabbit. Matt >> I was unaware that a belch (bovine or otherwise) contains methane gas. >> I suppose it could, though, since methane is a byproduct of >> decomposition, isn't it? > Did you have high school biology? Yes. I even took a class or two. > Ruminants (things that chew cud) have multiple stomaches so they can > let the vegetation eaten soak in the solution in the mid-process tanks > before re-chewing. That does sound like a better idea than a rabbit. Agreed. Does the process release methane gas? SignatureJR > have yet to find an effective cork for a horses' a.s. It's called a killfile or filter. [pause] What? Oh! You're talking about an EQUINE a.s. [Emily Litella mode ON] Nevermind! Signature:) JR Sailboats make pretty good RVs if you are skilled. Access to land can be trying, medical help can be a long time away. If you are adventerous, in good health and don't mind a bit of suffering then a sailboat is a great RV though not for everyone. Great points made. > The ultimate RV would do the following: > [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > > RC Collins Well said, Mr. Collins! Compared to sailing yachts, over the road motor RVs are rude and crude and they cause more than their fair share of pollution and contribute more than their fair share towards global warming. I love my (Dad's - soon to be mine when he gets a bigger one, probably an 86-footer) Swan 68 because it's Earth and sea friendly. I guess I hate most RVs because they are just the opposite. They harm the Earth and pollute the environment. They really aren't self-reliant like a sailing yacht which can sail around the world without fuel. You sound like you have your RV tricked out pretty good what with your solar panels etc. One area where a yacht is superior to an RV is they have reverse-osmosis water makers that make fresh water out of salt water and can be run by solar panels and wind generators. There is always a ready supply of salt water to process into fresh, pure, drinkable water. Also, yachts can empty their holding tanks if they are far enough offshore and it's legal. RVs, unless they empty into sewers, are breaking the law and polluting the land. You can even catch fish from a yacht to supplement your diet. My Swan has hot and cold pressurized water, three showers plus cockpit shower to rinse off salt water after swims, ice-maker, water maker, a large freezer and two refrigerators. It has an espresso maker and microwave oven and dishwasher as well as a gas-burning range with oven. It has air conditioning and heat. It has three Electrosan sewage treatment plants so overboard discharge is often cleaner than intaken flush water. It has a washer and dryer and even a stationary trainer I can use to spin when on the water. It has three, flat-screen, LDC TV/DVD with TIVO and satellite dish and even an Inmarsat telephone connection. In other words, all the luxuries of home. Few if any RV's can claim all this. Most are totally dysfunctional unless they are plugged into a campsite. My Swan has a 16KW, Super Quiet, diesel, Onan genset to run it as if it were plugged in. Of course it does have the wires and plugs to connect to shore power at the dock. RV's are sort of a poor man's seagoing yacht. If only they knew the joys of a REAL RV! Shad O'Shay >> The ultimate RV would do the following: >> [quoted text clipped - 67 lines] > > Shad O'Shay a rich guy. must b nice, shadster. todd > > The ultimate RV would do the following: > > [quoted text clipped - 66 lines] > > Shad O'Shay The ultimate braggart it sounds to me! I am mostly a lurker but the more I read of your trash, you could be the very first in my kill file!! Burt What does your dad do for a living? Was he in management at Enron? > What does your dad do for a living? He occupies an urn in Omaha. > Was he in management at Enron? No. My father was a Medical Doctor who, for years, specialized in anesthesiology. [NetNanny Mode: ON] The article to which this reply (follow-up?) references is a CLASSIC example of why quoting - JUDICIOUS quoting - is so important in this text-based medium. His single-line of original words left open all manner of replies given it appears to be directed at ANY individual. [NetNanny Mode: OFF] As a topical aside, we recently towed our travel trailer ~720 miles (@ ~65 mph) to/from Scott County Park outside Davenport, Iowa - one of the "Quad Cities". <http://www.scottcountyiowa.com/conservation/scottco.php> Our fist visit was last fall when we occupied a water/electric site in an older campground. It was nice. For our second visit (last month), we chose their newest campground that sported large, paved sites with a spacious, concrete pad for the picnic table and enough space for a second vehicle. These were full-hookup campsites with 50-amp. If you plan to visit the Quad Cities, I am sure you would be hard-pressed to do better than a stay at this county park located north of the city. Upon our arrival at my daughter's home, I asked her father-in-law if he'd like to hear something that would, no doubt, make him like his Ford Crown Victoria even more. He said, "Yes". I replied, "I drove 204 miles and spent $75 to refill the gas tank." He smiled broadly - then later drove off to his motel room. About the same time, we drove 12 miles the other direction to our home on wheels. We slept well but, once or twice, were awakened by the neighbors: A hoot owl and coyote. I love it! Signature:) JR 2000 Skamper Ultra 249 TT 2002 Chevrolet Silverado 2500HD Vortec 8100 - Allison 1000 > In article <tdi9v.6r2.19.1@news.alt.net>, "Jonathan King" > <purple1@xlsdx.com> [quoted text clipped - 59 lines] > neighbors: A > hoot owl and coyote. I love it! I don't think he was asking you. Doh! Shad O'Shay Now I'm totally confused. It was on the last 3000 metres of the Rupal Face of Nanga Parbat where things started to go wrong. The pick end of my ice axe broke off. I lost feeling in my toes and the altitude began to take its toll. Still several hundred metres below the summit I prepared for a standing bivouac at the Silbersaddle. I hammered in a peg and tied off with the last few metres of rope I had left. I spent the night wiggling my toes, hullicinating and eating bits of mint cake. The night seemed to take forever. Tears streamed down my face as the sun rose, I new it was now or never. Within three hours I stood upon the summit and began a rapid descent down the north-northwest flank. Over two hours of standing glissades put me on top of the exposed ice of the icefall. I carefully picked my way through the ice blocks and arrived at the foot of the glacier in 9 hours since leaving the summit. I was badly sunburned, was beginning to suffer snow blindness and vomited from dehydration. A local goatherder found me further down the valley and gave me fresh tea.My senses began to return and after several days I was able to hike out under my own power. My feet blistered and bleed. > What does your dad do for a living? Was he in management at Enron? Enron? What a disgrace that was. Crooks at that place for sure. Nope not Enron, Halliburton. He's a majority stockholder at Halliburton. He's in upper management at Cervélo. He does some other things that make a good buck, too. Shad O'Shay |
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