>Hell: if they can't get our money with excess profits they'll get it
>with taxes and give Big Oil more subsidies to develop alternatives,
>technology?? Give me a break. I was born in the dark but not yesterday.
I think a gas tax is long overdue. If they had put one of 50 cents to
75 cents or so 15 or 20 years ago we would not have been in pickle we
are in today. People have proven that they will not conserve unless
it hits them in pocket book. One reason the arab world is not to crazy
about the US is because with about 5% or the world population we use
30% or all the oil used in the world and wast a lot of it. If we paid
more for it we would use it wiser but some seem to think that it is
the right to have cheap fuel. Knock yourself out.
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Ron Recer - 14 May 2007 23:45 GMT
>>Hell: if they can't get our money with excess profits they'll get it
>>with taxes and give Big Oil more subsidies to develop alternatives,
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OPEC would be unhappy if we greatly reduced our oil usage or measurably
increase our domestic oil production. It would cause global demand/prices
to decrease. Besides little of our oil comes from the middle east.
Ron
Dan Listermann - 15 May 2007 01:45 GMT
Besides little of our oil comes from the middle east.
Oil is so fungible that where it comes from and where it goes does not
matter much.
Ron Recer - 15 May 2007 16:17 GMT
> Besides little of our oil comes from the middle east.
>
> Oil is so fungible that where it comes from and where it goes does not
> matter much.
I understand that, but was responding to a post that asserted how 'arabs'
supposedly felt about us using large amounts of their oil.
Ron
SnoMan - 16 May 2007 13:39 GMT
>I understand that, but was responding to a post that asserted how 'arabs'
>supposedly felt about us using large amounts of their oil.
I do not think that you do understand though. Arabs are not happy
because we waste it and sure they get money from it but they know the
well will run dry one day and their source of wealth will dry up. They
are angry with US wasting it and wanting to pump more and more of it
at faster rates out of ground and deplete their supply years sooner.
Unlike most US drivers they know that their oil supply in not
unlimited and are no in a hurry to pump it out too quickly. To put
into perspect how much oil we use ever day, it would take about
150,000 semi tanker trucks (which hold about 7000 gallons each) every
day to feed US crude oil hunger and this is growing. THe oil to fill
these trucks is not limitless. Of that amout, it would take 56,000
trucks a day to haul the gas produced and used currently as of April
2007 (it is up over last year by about 700 truck loads a day). BTW,
The US is the only major "power" that consumes far more oil than they
produce. Only china exceeds it production at this time but by a far
small amount and china has not devloped its own rpossible reserves.
The US which must import about 15 million barrels of crude a day
(about 60%) just to meet demand (or about 90,000 tanker truck loads a
day) The Alaskan refuge that they want to tap into has about a 6
month supply of oil when put into perspective with how much oil is
there and what we use daily. Far more would be gained with
conservation than trying to drill more wells.
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miles - 15 May 2007 01:40 GMT
> I think a gas tax is long overdue. If they had put one of 50 cents to
> 75 cents or so 15 or 20 years ago we would not have been in pickle we
> are in today.
Overdue? We've had a gas tax on all vehicles since 1919 in some states
and federal began in 1932. It's 18.4 cents a gallon. Add to that the
average state tax of 25 cents and we're close to your 40 cents.
California is 40 cents a gallon state. If you want it to cause dramatic
conservation taxes would have to be several $'s as it is in the UK where
gas is about $6.50 a gallon.
Jim Redelfs - 15 May 2007 03:53 GMT
> I think a gas tax is long overdue.
Where have YOU been since FOREVER? Every gallon of gas you have EVER
purchased has had a federal tax levied on it. Probably a state tax, too.
> If they had put one of 50 cents to 75 cents or so 15 or 20 years ago
> we would not have been in pickle we are in today.
It wouldn't make ANY difference, even if we WERE in "a pickle" today. (We
aren't.) Gas is over $3/gallon and more miles are being driven than ever.
> One reason the arab world is not to crazy about the US is because
> with about 5% or the world population we use 30% or all the oil
> used in the world and wast a lot of it.
You're serious, aren't you? [shaking head in disbelief]
The Arab world doesn't care ONE BIT where their oil is going or how it is
being used. Sheesh! :(
> If we paid more for it we would use it wiser
I doubt it.
Obviously, in your <ahem> "mind", $3.10/gallon is still cheap.
> but some seem to think that it is the right to have cheap fuel.
At what price would you believe it is no longer "cheap"?

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Dean - 15 May 2007 21:19 GMT
>>Hell: if they can't get our money with excess profits they'll get it
>>with taxes and give Big Oil more subsidies to develop alternatives,
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Your 'stupid' is showing. Yes, we use more oil than any other
country. But we produce the most GNP/barrel, the least pollution per
$ of GNP and, AND, have the best economy of any industrialized
country.
Dean
Jim Redelfs - 16 May 2007 00:45 GMT
> we produce the most GNP/barrel, the least pollution per $ of GNP
> and, AND, have the best economy of any industrialized country.
Horrors! SHAME on us.

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