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Car Forum / Driving, Maintenance, Tuning / RVs / August 2007Question : Can i do 'this' with my two 12 v. Batteries in Parallel ?
I have 2 Deep Cell AGM type (Trojan J150) Batteries, 12 v., in parallel without any switch. Im told i need a switch otherwise the batteries will discharge one to the other. So, can i use a simple manual knife-blade on/off switch on the negative wire of each battery while leaving the positive wires of each as is ? Will this work ok or will one battery still discharge the other (even if breaking the negative wire on one ) ? If this will NOT work, then what type of switch do i need to get ? Thank y ou much, Dave. >I have 2 Deep Cell AGM type (Trojan J150) Batteries, 12 v., in >parallel [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > ? If this will NOT work, then what type of switch do i need to get ? > Thank y ou much, Dave. It will work but it's rather too much like a nigger rig. If you want to do it right get a switch like this one: http://www.hookedoncatfish.com/Perko.html Makes it easier and safer to isolate each battery or connect them in parallel. Harry Harris  SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com 'It will work but it's rather too much like a nigger rig.' REPLY: Harry, If a black person were to save your wife, mother, or sister from a death...would you think any differently of him ... or, is the racial hatred so deep within you that youd refuse to ? >'It will work but it's rather too much like a nigger rig.' > >REPLY: Harry, If a black person were to save your wife, mother, or >sister from a death...would you think any differently of him ... or, is >the racial hatred so deep within you that youd refuse to ? I agree, that commet was pretty cold and uncalled for. As far as the need for a switch, it is kinda a waste of money. You will not find one on a vehicle that ships with dual batteries. I would just parallel them with heavy cable and use postive from one battery and negative from other as feeds because this would balnce the power drw for both battiers because the cable restance between each battery and load would be the same rather than load being attached to on battery then the second battery strapped to it. ----------------- TheSnoMan.com > 'It will work but it's rather too much like a nigger rig.' > > REPLY: Harry, If a black person were to save your wife, mother, or > sister from a death...would you think any differently of him ... or, > is > the racial hatred so deep within you that youd refuse to ? Oh please stop it already with the overblown political correctness. If I would have written "jury rigged" would you then have chastised me for hating juries? It is your own prejudice showing when you accuse me of racial bigotry just for using an accepted term for jury rig. Get over yourself! Harry Harris SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com >> 'It will work but it's rather too much like a nigger rig.' >> [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Harry Harris The term is sometimes, "Jerry" rigged which refers to Germans. Being of German decent, I think it is racist and insensitive some people even call us of German decent "Krauts" and stuff. What if somebody of German decent saved your wife, mother or sister from a death....would you think differently of German Americans, or would you still think Hitler was an insane, psychopath capable of mass murderer? Would you still think of Dr. Goebbels as cruel and mean spirited? What about Heinrich Himmler, was he such a bad guy....or is your hatred so deep that you would still use the words "Jerry" rigged? We prefer to be called "Teutonic gods." >>> 'It will work but it's rather too much like a nigger rig.' >>> [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > that you would still use the words "Jerry" rigged? We prefer to be > called "Teutonic gods." "Jerry rigged" won't work. Everybody knows you master-racers are superb engineers and you make some of the best technology on the planet. Jury rigged means something funky and hastily cobbled together that works but only marginally and could be easily improved upon provided better resources were available. That's why "nigger rigged" works. In the old days Negroes had to do the best they could with very limited resources so they became adept at cobbling together things that worked. To call something "nigger rigged" to any unbiased and unbigoted individual is actually a compliment. It's only those ashamed of their own inclination towards bigotry who assign negative connotations to certain race-based terms. Harry Harris SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com 'That's why "nigger rigged" works. In the old days Negroes had to do the best they could with very limited resources so they became adept at cobbling together things that worked. To call something "nigger rigged" to any unbiased and unbigoted individual is actually a compliment. It's only those ashamed of their own inclination towards bigotry who assign negative connotations to certain race-based terms. Harry Harris -- ' REPLY: Then how about if you go up to a 6'4" black man tomorrow and engage him in a conversation whereby you can bring up your 'N.rigged' phrase , and see if hes ok with your twisted and willfully suppressed moral conscience to which you make excuses for ??? Let us know which part of your face he chooses to redesign. > 'That's why "nigger rigged" works. In the old days Negroes had to do > the [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > moral conscience to which you make excuses for ??? Let us know which > part of your face he chooses to redesign. Oops, your racial bigotry is showing again, Dave. You immediately stereotyped all Negro men as big, ignorant and prone to violence. Shame on you! You wear your feelings on your sleeve. Harry Harris SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com Let me see if I get this right. According to Harris, we shouldn't say 'black tank', but 'nigger rig' is ok?? Or did I miss the sarcasm. daveleejd@cox.net wrote: Let me see if I get this right. According to Harris, we shouldn't say 'black tank', but 'nigger rig' is ok?? Or did I miss the sarcasm. Most people here have Harry blocked so we don't see his posts. And I don't remember anyone here ever using the term "nigger rig". SignatureJerryD(upstateNY) > daveleejd@cox.net wrote: Let me see if I get this right. According to > Harris, we shouldn't say 'black tank', but 'nigger rig' is ok?? Or did I > miss the sarcasm. > > Most people here have Harry blocked so we don't see his posts. > And I don't remember anyone here ever using the term "nigger rig". That must be because you have him blocked. > We prefer to be called "Teutonic gods." Or goddess, like Lili Von Shtupp. Hedley Lamarr's insult, "Teutonic TW*T" was religiously edited from MANY subsequent releases of the film. Ethnic slurs and stereotypes are as old as mankind. It's how we deal with them that counts. Getting all preachy, having simply seen the dreaded "N word", is pretty far "out there", though. SignatureJR >Oh please stop it already with the overblown political correctness. If I >would have written "jury rigged" would you then have chastised me for >hating juries? It is your own prejudice showing when you accuse me of >racial bigotry just for using an accepted term for jury rig. Get over >yourself! Nothing to get over for us but for you, you have issues whether you own them or not. ----------------- TheSnoMan.com >>Oh please stop it already with the overblown political correctness. If >>I [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > ----------------- > TheSnoMan.com Grow up, mister! http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%22nigger+rigged%22&btnG=Google+Search It's not something you can change so stop your silly bitching already. Who died and appointed you chief of language police? Harry Harris SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com >> Oh please stop it already with the overblown political correctness. If I >> would have written "jury rigged" would you then have chastised me for [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > ----------------- > TheSnoMan.com A white guy calling himself SnoMan is racist, and is very Freudian. If you are other than White and call yourself SnoMan it is because you are a drug dealer. What if a poster called himself "Tar Baby?" You are not very sensitive or politically correct. >A white guy calling himself SnoMan is racist, and is very Freudian. If >you are other than White and call yourself SnoMan it is because you are >a drug dealer. What if a poster called himself "Tar Baby?" You are not >very sensitive or politically correct. I see you have issues too.... Inorder to put a "bad" spin on the the name "snoman" you have to take it out of context. In it original state it is harmless. BTW, I did not even pick the name, my clients gave it to me many years ago. I have been plowing snow for well over 20 years now and the name is a result of that but you can put what ever spin you want on it to make yourself happy because it will not change anything for me. ----------------- TheSnoMan.com >> A white guy calling himself SnoMan is racist, and is very Freudian. If >> you are other than White and call yourself SnoMan it is because you are [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > ----------------- > TheSnoMan.com Well, see, there you go. >>> A white guy calling himself SnoMan is racist, and is very Freudian. If >>> you are other than White and call yourself SnoMan it is because you are >>> a drug dealer. What if a poster called himself "Tar Baby?" You are not >>> very sensitive or politically correct. Freudian? Is that you, SnoShoo? Canoli 'It will work but it's rather too much like a nigger rig.' REPLY: Harry, If a black person were to save your wife, mother, or sister from a death...would you think any differently of him ... or, is the racial hatred so deep within you that youd refuse to ? Oh please stop it already with the overblown political correctness. If I would have written "jury rigged" would you then have chastised me for hating juries? It is your own prejudice showing when you accuse me of racial bigotry just for using an accepted term for jury rig. Get over yourself! Harry Harris REPLY: No Harry....it is wrong OF YOU to use the 'N' word in ANY form of expression . Next time, perhaps you will be wiser in your choice of wording. If you cant express yourself without resorting to racially-derogatory comments, then dont respond ; and dont put it back on someone who brings it to your attention by bringing up the political correctness excuse. Just accept the honest chastizement you got from me so you dont do it next time... because it is wrong and you dont want your life to consist of doing wrong . And if you were taught to use the 'N' word fluently in speech, then, realize whoever taught you it was very misled in doing so. > 'It will work but it's rather too much like a nigger rig.' > REPLY: Harry, If a black person were to save your wife, mother, or [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > 'N' word fluently in speech, then, realize whoever taught you it was > very misled in doing so. Who appointed you custodian of free speech? It is YOUR conclusion that the term "nigger rigged" is derogatory. Just look the term up in the Urban Dictionary where you will read a somewhat different slant that shows the problem with the word lies with you and your guilt and not in the word itself. Here's one example: "A term used to describe a temporary fix or quick fix for an object using any tools at hand. Derived from the ingenuity of early African-Americans who did not have the means to fix every day objects and had to come up with these temporary fixes." So, is attributing ingenuity or Negroes hate speech or derogatory? Harry Harris SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com If a negro uses the "n" word is it racially derogatory? http://www.amazon.com/Die-Nigger-Political-Autobiography/dp/1556524528 It is ironic that you chastise Harry for using the "nigger" word. This Saturday night, in taverns and on corners all over Chicago's South Side, Cleveland, Houston, Philly, Atlanta and other cities, something similar is going on. Negro men are bitch slapping their homeys for using words like "Whitey", "Red Neck", "White Trash", "Heeb","Hymie", "Honkey", and other such names when discussing Caucasians and Jews. It upsets their religious leaders like Rev. Sharpton and Rev. Jackson is they even think the brothers are using that kind of politically incorrect terminology. Negro men would never use racial slurs to describe any white people because it might upset their Caucasian friends, or be a bad example to their illegitimate children. That is why, when a Negro robs an old lady of her purse, he says,"Gimme dat purse, Mo’Fo’ bitch!” He wouldn't call her "White bitch," because children could overhear. When a Negro sticks up a gas station, he says, "Gimme da fuckin' cash, Mo Fo!" so as not to offend any other customers or the attendant who might be White or of other ethnic origin. For example he would never say, "Hand over that cash the White fellah gave you, you….darned ol’ Dot Head!" Someone of Indian decent could easily feel demeaned if he did. 'It is ironic that you chastise Harry for using the "nigger" word. This Saturday night, in taverns and on corners all over Chicago's South Side, Cleveland, Houston, Philly, Atlanta and other cities, something similar is going on. Negro men are bitch slapping their homeys for using words like "Whitey", "Red Neck", "White Trash", "Heeb","Hymie", "Honkey", and other such names when discussing Caucasians and Jews. It upsets their religious leaders like Rev. Sharpton and Rev. Jackson is they even think the brothers are using that kind of politically incorrect terminology. Negro men would never use racial slurs to describe any white people because it might upset their Caucasian friends, or be a bad example to their illegitimate children. That is why, when a Negro robs an old lady of her purse, he says,"Gimme dat purse, Mo'Fo' bitch!" He wouldn't call her "White bitch," because children could overhear. When a Negro sticks up a gas station, he says, "Gimme da fuckin' cash, Mo Fo!" so as not to offend any other customers or the attendant who might be White or of other ethnic origin. For example he would never say, "Hand over that cash the White fellah gave you, you .darned ol' Dot Head!" Someone of Indian decent could easily feel demeaned if he did. ' REPLY: It is not ironic. All of this racial garbage, derogatory name calling, degrading inuendo , sexist put downs...in society regardless of who says it, is WRONG and it only makes a civilized society more uncivilized so evil can spread. >REPLY: It is not ironic. All of this racial garbage, derogatory name >calling, degrading inuendo , sexist put downs...in society regardless of >who says it, is WRONG and it only makes a civilized society more >uncivilized so evil can spread. A great and important point not so much about the racist stuff but about what leads to the collapse of a country or society. Without civility there is no society and brute force, rather than reason will reign. So, are restricting speech, taking away guns and prohibiting behaviors going to create civility or is the presence of civility going to reduce crime, violence and other forms of evil? Civility is learned and when the benefits are understood it needs very little, if any, enforcement. Does more enforcement bring on more civility or does it simply widen the chasm? If a country starts building a wall to keep people out, how long before that wall is used to keep people in? Civility and freedom, we need more of it! Thanks Dave! 'A great and important point not so much about the racist stuff but about what leads to the collapse of a country or society. ' REPLY: The key ingredients to that are : Turning from God and his principles as this country was founded on, people wanting to be autonomous/hedonistic as they desire, people being tolerant to any form of degradation (in other words...simply not caring) , and embracing a nihlistic culture bent on self destruction. 'So, are restricting speech, taking away guns and prohibiting behaviors going to create civility or is the presence of civility going to reduce crime, violence and other forms of evil?' REPLY: This countrys freedoms have been clearly taken advantage of, twisted to suit ones own moral lawlessness , and has departed from any sense of absolute morality...that it has become an out of control society wrought with evil. Same applies to Great Britain. Its what occurs when a country turns its back on its roots : God . Geo . Washington said in his inagural address :" If this country ever turns its back on The Divine God, it will come to ruin" . ANd its being fulfilled in our lifetime. 'Civility is learned and when the benefits are understood it needs very little, if any, enforcement. Does more enforcement bring on more civility or does it simply widen the chasm? ' REPLY: Many people simply dont care about acting civil themselves , nor do they care about it for the country at large ; it is a case of putting oneself at the center of the universe .... the 'me, me, me generation' ad nauseum. There has been a massive delusion sweeping american society now for the last 45 years and its central theme is suppression of the moral conscience. The best bet to bring this back in line , is not to continue on as we have been by allowing people to pretend they dont know right from wrong...but to excersise some form of totalitarian enforcement ; a little Singaporian justice needs to flood the shores of America. Otherwise , the willful wrongdoers will get worse and raise up even greater reprobate minds for offspring. And that is going to be more devastating for the future of this country . Its beyond asking these hopeless examples of human beings to please change their reprobate ways and thinking ; they simply dont care and want to live according to the dictates of thier own perverted will. 'If a country starts building a wall to keep people out, how long before that wall is used to keep people in? ' REPLY: If youre speaking of immigration here, then I say dont put up any wall ; most immigrants are only too pleased and grateful to come to America to live compared to their own homeland ; its mostly the Nationals of this country that think they deserve some right to defame and degrade and spread immorality , as 'a constitutional right' . 'Civility and freedom, we need more of it! Thanks Dave!' REPLY: Yes...and to truly respect and honor both ; and not twist it to suit their own wrongful personal agenda. > 'A great and important point not so much about the racist stuff but > about what leads to the collapse of a country or society. ' [quoted text clipped - 51 lines] > REPLY: Yes...and to truly respect and honor both ; and not twist it to > suit their own wrongful personal agenda. I like what you have said. I don't necessarily agree 100%. I do believe in absolute morality and that morality will allow people to live with maximum freedom while not violating the fundamental rights of others. It's interesting you say the last 45 years. That coincides with the explosive growth of the federal government. Do you think the growth of government and societal decay go hand in hand? 'I like what you have said. I don't necessarily agree 100%. I do believe in absolute morality and that morality will allow people to live with maximum freedom while not violating the fundamental rights of others.' REPLY: Absolute morality can only come from an Absolute Moral Law Provider : The Creator. But, in this Post Modern Era, one of its greatest tenets is relative morality, or, put another way :'situational ethics' where one gets to pick and choose whatever morals (if any) he wishes to follow. With a virtually non existent Moral Foundation, you have a very substantial part of the populus doing what is 'right' in their own eyes (as if they have any idea whats truly right from wrong .. which they dont. ). This agenda is ripe for the violation of fundamental rights of others -- even THE MOST innocent and defenseless of all human beings : Those that are brutally terminated in their own mothers womb to the tune of 4000 daily, in the name of Sexual 'freedom'. 'It's interesting you say the last 45 years. That coincides with the explosive growth of the federal government. Do you think the growth of government and societal decay go hand in hand?' REPLY: Not necessarily ; although our Government is directly responsible for allowing societal ills to take place , and, to continue unchallenged by not instituting appropriate measures and laws. I chose 45 years because that was about the time that Kingpin Immoralists like Hugh Heffner, Alfred Kinsey, coupled with the constant propoganda to rebel via pop music culture of the 1960's , et al...gave license to the Sexual Revolution for which we are paying dearly today. This is what springboarded the country into a moral sewer to which there shall be no return ; but alas...to the Sexual Hedonist and other notable Liberals, there is no better time to be alive in history than right now. Head!" Someone of > Indian decent could easily feel demeaned if he did. ' > > REPLY: It is not ironic. All of this racial garbage, derogatory name > calling, degrading inuendo , sexist put downs...in society regardless of > who says it, is WRONG and it only makes a civilized society more > uncivilized so evil can spread. You mean like when you've called resident Muslims in Illinois: "towelheads"? Or have you conveniently forgotten those gun group posts by now? Sue > Head!" Someone of >> Indian decent could easily feel demeaned if he did. ' [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Sue Dave in Lake Villa is going to be Dave in the Lava Lakes when he passes away. The fellow's got some serious hypocrisy issues. He acts all hooty-tooty, good guy, Mr. moral American but the facade is pretty easy to see through. His comments about a 6'4" Negro man, upon hearing somebody use the words "nigger rigged," immediately flying off the handle and beating the guy who used it to a pulp sure shows everybody how prejudiced he really is. Why would anybody make such a bigoted statement unless, in their warped mind, they really think all Negroes are big, ignorant, bad-tempered, violent and abusive bogymen? His post was a window right into his soul. . . Harry Harris SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com > Dave in Lake Villa is going to be Dave in the Lava Lakes when he passes > away. The fellow's got some serious hypocrisy issues. He acts all > hooty-tooty, good guy, Mr. moral American but the facade is pretty easy > to see through.................. a window right into his soul. . . I've used that term for years, when people slip up and let the sun light shine on what's really inside but in Dave's case it's more of a "double garage door" to his soul. And jury/jerry rigging isn't even related to the Germans---------> Jury rigging (or jerry rigging) refers to makeshift repairs or substitutes, made with only the tools and materials that happen to be on hand. Nautical use On sailing ships, the jury rig is a replacement mast and yards improvised in case of loss of the original mast. Etymology There are these theories about the origin of the term "jury" in this sense: A Latin and Old French root meaning "aid" or "succour". "jury-mast" derived from "injury-mast". >From French du jour = "of the day", thus `temporary'. Some believe that "jerry-rig" comes from "Jerry", slang for "German", but this is an inaccurate folk etymology. Sue >> Dave in Lake Villa is going to be Dave in the Lava Lakes when he >> passes [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > > Sue You are very wise. I'm impressed with your intelligence, logic and clear thinking. Alas, it seems to be glaringly out of place in this group of uneducated misfits. Shad O'Shay >Dave in Lake Villa is going to be Dave in the Lava Lakes when he passes >away. The fellow's got some serious hypocrisy issues. He acts all [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > >Harry Harris Harry, wake up and smell the stinkbugs: In my woodworking days, I did a number of jobs for professional athletes who had homes in the Florida Keys. One of them was Gene 'Mercury' Morris, a short man - sort of like a black tree stump with muscles. He once threw a topping off party for all the people who had worked on his house A mental midget dropped in later, after we all had been into the beer and booze fairly heavy. This gentleman shouted up he stairs "Where's the head nigger". When he got up stairs Merc dropped him with a right hand that would have demolished Lennox Lewis, picked up the jerk and threw him down the stairs. Black people, like members of most races, have their own language which is closed to outsiders. Canoli >>Dave in Lake Villa is going to be Dave in the Lava Lakes when he >>passes [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > > Canoli Sorry but nobody owns language. It's there for anybody who wants to use it. Here have a look at how often the word "nigger" comes up. Only a few of the phrases can be considered racist. Be sure to look at the list of hyphenated words on the left. http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=nigger-rigged It's one thing to call a man a nigger. People shouldn't do that. That's an insult and a racial slur but to describe something using the word nigger is totally without racial bigotry unless the person hearing or seeing it has racial bigotry tendencies. And it's too bad Morris acted like an animal. It certainly doesn't help the stereotype of his race one iota. Shad O'Shay >>>Dave in Lake Villa is going to be Dave in the Lava Lakes when he >>>passes [quoted text clipped - 50 lines] > > Shad O'Shay The stereotype exists because of their behavior. The behavior exists because of the stereotype so it's a vicious circle. Quibbling about words is pretty counterproductive. It's actions that speak louder than words. If you act like an animal you'll be thought of as an animal and rightly so. It's got little to do with race. It's really a shame the African American leaders don't quite realize this. They don't seem to think there's anything wrong with the hip-hop culture that promotes people acting like animals. They have this double standard where THEY can say nigger this and nigger that and ho this and ho that and that's OK. Sorry, leaders, but you're wrong and doing your race a disservice and helping to keep your race down by promoting stereotypical behavior that says "animal." My 2 cents worth... Harry Harris SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com 'It's got little to do with race. It's really a shame the African American leaders don't quite realize this. They don't seem to think there's anything wrong with the hip-hop culture that promotes people acting like animals. They have this double standard where THEY can say nigger this and nigger that and ho this and ho that and that's OK. Sorry, leaders, but you're wrong and doing your race a disservice and helping to keep your race down by promoting stereotypical behavior that says "animal." My 2 cents worth... Harry Harris' REPLY: Ill kick in 25 cents cause you hit it on the head . >And it's too bad Morris acted like an animal. It certainly doesn't help >the stereotype of his race one iota. > >Shad O'Shay In my family, there are very broadly two groups of black people. The first, "blacks" are those people who live to the same standards the majority of people do; work and earn their successes, do the right thing as often as possible, obey the laws, assume responsibility for their actions. You rarely see members of this class hanging out on street corners, or urinating in public, or members of gangs. We consider those blacks who don't fit into the first group as "niggers", Technicolor trailer trash, gangbanging, garbage mouths who glory in Rap jingles, brag of the number of children they have fathered by different women, while not paying the first dollar in child support for any of them, who try to intimidate white people, all around unpleasant individuals who often are the majority in prisons and penitentiaries. No matter the group, nor how well I know a black person, I would not call them nigger to their face, since ipso facto, that is a deadly insult coming from a white person. Mercury Morris became a pretty good buddy after a while, but it still took many months before I could comfortably say to him about some mistake in the work we were doing: "Damn, what nigger did that when I wasn't looking". to which Merc would reply with something like: "One of your honky crew must have inhaled the spray when he was painting himself black, so that he could look like he knew what he was doing". Neither of us took that sort of thing seriously, and in fact would toss the "N" and "H" words at each other, even when we were arguing about money. Canoli <big snip> > Neither of us took that sort of > thing seriously, and in fact would toss the "N" and "H" words at each > other, even when we were arguing about money. > > Canoli You should always agree on the price PRIOR to having sex. Shad O'Shay >REPLY: No Harry....it is wrong OF YOU to use the 'N' word in ANY form >of expression. . . . The only one's that are being misled by the horrendous "N' word, are the uneducated trailer-trash contingent, suffering from some sort of guilt-complex originating from their history; and who never got far enough in their education to understand the elementary latin and greek constructs of their own language. Hysteria over the dreaded 'N' word tends to be a bit of a joke within educated society. The word "nigger" (gaspth!) carries with it no other meaning beyond "black"; a latin derivative of nigra, nigri, nigro, nigricans, nigrites, etal. > And if you were taught to use the 'N' word fluently in speech, then, >realize whoever taught you it was very misled in doing so. The primary group of "misled" people who teach the "N' word, tend to be members of the medical and botanical science community. It's only uneducated racist dumsticks that clamour to import pejorative negative meaning to a term that is employed and used on a daily basis by the scientific community. >The primary group of "misled" people who teach the "N' word, tend to >be members of the medical and botanical science community. It's only >uneducated racist dumsticks that clamour to import pejorative negative >meaning to a term that is employed and used on a daily basis by the >scientific community. Stan, you are lost in a bigoted world. That's the worst defense of using a word black people find offensive when coming from a white mouth, I've ever heard, and that includes those who claim language is free to be used as one desires. I'll have to ask my doctor if he calls his black patients 'nigger'. I believe it is mostly uneducated racist maroons who use and defend he use of such words. That means here on RORT, only a few, such as you and Will Sill, believe it is proper to use such derogatory and demeaning words. Mercury Morris responded properly, and as to be expected from anyone on the receiving end of such a direct and challenging insult. Canoli >>The primary group of "misled" people who teach the "N' word, tend to >>be members of the medical and botanical science community. Stan, I didn't see that when you first posted it, so I'll have to respond here: Can you offer even one citation of what you stated above? I've never heard of such a thing and would like to know where you got that idea. I know people in both fields and cannot imagine what you say to be true. GB in NC >Stan, I didn't see that when you first posted it, so I'll have to >respond here: > >Can you offer even one citation of what you stated above? I've never >heard of such a thing and would like to know where you got that idea. I >know people in both fields and cannot imagine what you say to be true. Not sure what I said; that was a while ago; but I assume it may have had to do with "nigger" merely meaning black, being derived from the latin: niger, nigra, nigrum, etal; and equivalent to the greek melan-. No big deal, and hardly a soapbox issue. I just mentioned it in passing for the purpose of correcting an uninformed error. Over the years, it's been apparent, that no matter what politically correct words are employed to designate niggers; the very next day, that becomes a dirty word also. And I'm getting a tad weary of the politically correct nonsense! It wasn't all that long ago, that a very close friend, (and still a very close friend), a doctor no less, threw up her holy hands in horror when I uttered the word "negro" in favourable context! She almost went into respiratory arrest, upon my utterance of the word "negro"! Well . . . P-A-R-D-O-N M-E !!! As an old fart, I didn't realize that "negro" had now fallen into disrepute; and I no longer give a damn!! And GBinNC, I'm not about to waste my otherwise useless time in validating anything equally useless; when a simple web search would provide you with 40,000 more confirmations than you would ever want to know. . . Try "nigger +etymology". >>Can you offer even one citation of what you stated above? I've never >>heard of such a thing and would like to know where you got that idea. I >>know people in both fields and cannot imagine what you say to be true. >Not sure what I said; that was a while ago; What I asked about was your statement that I'm quoting again here, so there won't be any doubt about what I'm referring to. You said: >The primary group of "misled" people who teach the "N' word, tend to >be members of the medical and botanical science community. Again, I ask you where you got that information. GB in NC >>The primary group of "misled" people who teach the "N' word, tend to >>be members of the medical and botanical science community. > >Again, I ask you where you got that information. There's really nothing to explain. That's merely routine day-to-day common knowledge within the social/academic community where I hang out. >>>The primary group of "misled" people who teach the "N' word, tend to >>>be members of the medical and botanical science community. >> >>Again, I ask you where you got that information. >There's really nothing to explain. That's merely routine day-to-day >common knowledge within the social/academic community where I hang >out. Oh. I see. GB in NC >>>The primary group of "misled" people who teach the "N' word, tend to >>>be members of the medical and botanical science community. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >common knowledge within the social/academic community where I hang >out. Apparently you must hang out with a bunch of ignorant bigots. The educated folks I know in business and academia don't talk like that. SignatureFrank Tabor >>>>The primary group of "misled" people who teach the "N' word, tend to >>>>be members of the medical and botanical science community. >>>Again, I ask you where you got that information. >>There's really nothing to explain. That's merely routine day-to-day >>common knowledge within the social/academic community where I hang >>out. >Apparently you must hang out with a bunch of ignorant bigots. The >educated folks I know in business and academia don't talk like that. I'm with you, Frank. I'd like to see this bunch of folks. I can only imagine.... GB in NC >>>>>The primary group of "misled" people who teach the "N' word, tend to >>>>>be members of the medical and botanical science community. [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > >GB in NC Actually, Stan is in his peer group. SignatureFrank Tabor >Apparently you must hang out with a bunch of ignorant bigots. The >educated folks I know in business and academia don't talk like that. Quite the opposite. If you hang out with a bunch of bigots who find nigers so offensive, then that's your problem. And if they expunge terms like niger, nigra, nigrum, etal from their vocabulary, then one would suspect that they are not all that bright. Then again, many Americans are still treading water a sea of ignorance, grappling with guilt over their national shame. Canadians don't share that kind of heritage. My family operated the St. Mary's, Ontario end of the Underground Railroad. And we see their offspring each and every night on the local news, being loaded into police cars in handcuffs. >>Apparently you must hang out with a bunch of ignorant bigots. The >>educated folks I know in business and academia don't talk like that. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >each and every night on the local news, being loaded into police cars >in handcuffs. I repeat, you and your friends are ignorant bigots. The "n" word is never a proper word to use in any situation. SignatureFrank Tabor >>>Apparently you must hang out with a bunch of ignorant bigots. The >>>educated folks I know in business and academia don't talk like that. [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > I repeat, you and your friends are ignorant bigots. The "n" word is > never a proper word to use in any situation. Calling it "the n word" is a simpleton thing to do. Just what do you think pops into people's heads when they read or hear "the n word?" Yes, that's right, they think "nigger." So what have you accomplished with your silly politically correct speech? Nothing but bringing more attention to it than if you simply ignored it. You, sir, are just as big a part of the problem or perhaps even bigger than the person who just comes out and uses the word nigger. When they bleep out a word on the TV or the radio what do you do? You fill in the "bad" word in your mind. You think about it more than if they just used the word. It's how the human brain works. Filling in the blanks is one thing that makes us so intelligent. Have people taken leave of their senses in the last forty or so years? There's no thought behind what people do anymore. They act more like parrots than people. They regurgitate without shame and fool themselves into thinking others will think them wise. It's so much balderdash! Am I the only one left who understands what's going on? Harry Harris SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com I see where "Harry Harris" <harris@thehilltopcafe.notagoodaddy> contributed: > Am I the only one left who understands what's going on? No. You're not even the only lunatic posting here. 'Bye. Will Sill The Curmudgeon of Sill Hill >I have 2 Deep Cell AGM type (Trojan J150) Batteries, 12 v., in parallel >without any switch. Im told i need a switch otherwise the batteries will >discharge one to the other. Total horse dooey! > >On Fri, 18 May 2007 DaveInLakeVilla@webtv.net (Dave in Lake Villa) > >wrote: [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Total horse dooey! You're misinformed, mister. If one battery goes bad, has a bad cell for example, it WILL draw down the good battery if they are connected in parallel. Better to have an isolation switch. Harry Harris SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com >On Fri, 18 May 2007 "Harry Harris" wrote: >You're misinformed, mister. If one battery goes bad, has a bad cell for >example, it WILL draw down the good battery if they are connected in >parallel. Not exactly sure how this expostulation relates to the initial query! Pleaze explain. . > >On Fri, 18 May 2007 "Harry Harris" wrote: >>You're misinformed, mister. If one battery goes bad, has a bad cell [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Pleaze explain. . It's simple. No two batteries are ever identical. Even if bought together their resting voltage can be slightly different. When connected in parallel the one with the lower resting voltage will draw the one with the higher resting voltage down, or more accurately, the two will equalize one the other. You can never assume batteries will last forever. Often one battery will just give up the ghost while another of the same vintage may last a year or two longer. I believe the original poster just simplified his post and left out the reasons a weaker battery can weaken a stronger battery if connected in parallel. I understand your point that two new, good batteries connected together in parallel won't discharge each other. But, you know how things work in real life. Two good batteries don't stay good for long. . . Why take a chance on ruining a good battery if one goes bad? Harry Harris SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com Right you are there Harris. If the batteries are not identical a current will flow between them. A bad battery will kill all others connected to it. No two batteries are the same. They should be isolated. Hook two batteries together and put an ammeter between them and see. Think of the clown who tries to hook two gas generator outputs in parallel. http://www.boatsafe.com/nauticalknowhow/marine_battery.htm "When connecting batteries in parallel be sure to use the same type of battery, for example; two deep cycle batteries. The age of the batteries should be the same. A new battery connected in parallel to an older one will not get fully charged, and the older battery may get overcharged. " http://dodgeram.org/tech/mods/electric/2nd_battery.htm "Connecting 12 volt lead acid batteries in parallel can be done, but you must be careful to minimize the danger of fire or battery explosion. Yes, manufacturers of diesel pickups connect batteries in parallel to provide the high starting currents required by diesels in cold weather, but the manufacturers take the lowest cost solution to the problem, and figure that the batteries will outlive the warranty period. Batteries can be connected in parallel only if they are of identical age, capacity, and manufacturing lot, and only if they will always remain connected in parallel. If the batteries are ever cycled indepedantly, they should be replaced with another matched pair. If a mismatched pair of batteries is connected in parallel and then allowed to sit, they will pass current back and forth in an effort to ballance charge. If one battery is weaker than the other, it will attempt to drain the stronger battery. Eventually, one battery will short and the other will then dump all remaing charge into the shorted cell - resulting in two dead batteries or worse, a fire or battery explosion. To prevent charge swapping/discharging/fires/etc, some kind of isolator is recommended for batteries in parallel. There are two types of isolators: a.. Contactor or relay b.. solid state diode " I see where "Harry Harris" <harris@thehilltopcafe.notagoodaddy> contributed: >I understand your point that two new, good batteries connected together >in parallel won't discharge each other. But, you know how things work in >real life. Two good batteries don't stay good for long. . . Why take a >chance on ruining a good battery if one goes bad? This from the same moron who thinks propane is a danger to society. Will Sill The Curmudgeon of Sill Hill > I see where "Harry Harris" <harris@thehilltopcafe.notagoodaddy> > contributed: [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Will Sill > The Curmudgeon of Sill Hill It is if it is wired in either series or parallel with two 12v deep cycle batteries and a blasting cap. >> I understand your point that two new, good batteries connected together >> in parallel won't discharge each other. But, you know how things work in >> real life. Two good batteries don't stay good for long. . . Why take a >> chance on ruining a good battery if one goes bad? > This from the same moron who thinks propane is a danger to society. I see my filters are working nominally: You are replying to articles I never saw originally. You suckers take troll bait WAAAAAY too easily, then RUN with it. Did you finally sell your Class B (handmade?) motorhome? Signature:) JR >You're misinformed, mister. If one battery goes bad, has a bad cell for >example, it WILL draw down the good battery if they are connected in >parallel. Better to have an isolation switch. Again not a probel amd a waste on money. if one battery has a cell short out, the other is likely no far behind and it should be replaced as well and this shorted cell would not cause a big problem or hazard. plus if you want maximum power transfer to load the less contacts in circuit (ie switches) the better. ----------------- TheSnoMan.com Dave, Now that you have a collection of answers, let me tell you the facts as I learned them from WWII submariners (these guys knew batteries or died). Two good batteries in parallel will not loose charge because they are connected. Batteries in parallel won't necessarily charge equally. Hence, if you have two batteries in parallel, you will not always have two batteries of capacity available. This can be true even if the two were manufactured next to each other as there can be other factors here. The boat store switch suggested by another is a good and reliable answer. (Shop the web a lot, there vary widely in cost and rating.) It is what I would do for the suggested installation. It will also (as would your knife switches) allow to isolate each battery for an occasional charge to bring both to full capacity. I would wire the switch in on the positive side. That way, if one battery is removed for service, there will not be a hot lead with nowhere to go. Matt Colie > I have 2 Deep Cell AGM type (Trojan J150) Batteries, 12 v., in parallel > without any switch. Im told i need a switch otherwise the batteries will [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > ? If this will NOT work, then what type of switch do i need to get ? > Thank y ou much, Dave. >Now that you have a collection of answers, let me tell you the facts as >I learned them from WWII submariners (these guys knew batteries or died). The same applied to pilots who didn't know how to fly; but that didn't keep them grounded. :-( Matt's version of "the facts" is all wrong, and comes from someone who obviously doesn't know squat about batteries or charging systems. :-( >Batteries in parallel won't necessarily charge equally. And as long as they charge, who really cares? >Hence, if you have two batteries in parallel, you will not always have two batteries >of capacity available. This string of words contains no meaning. >The boat store switch suggested by another is a good and reliable >answer. No it's a bad answer. No benefit can be derived from installing a totally useless switch that serves no useful purpose. >(Shop the web a lot, there vary widely in cost and rating.) It >is what I would do for the suggested installation. It will also (as >would your knife switches) allow to isolate each battery for an >occasional charge to bring both to full capacity. Total Balderdash!! RV batteries are always charged with a "constant voltage" system: Basically, the charging system supplies a constant voltage to the battery or batteries in the system; and each battery in the system merely accepts or rejects the current needed to bring itself up to full charge. The battery itself is the only regulator of the charging rate within such a system. So, if for instance, that charging system is set for 13.8 volts output, then each and every battery in the system is going to see the very same 13.8volt potential. Battery #1 is going to see the very same 13.8V charging potential as battery #2. And if battery #2 is disconnected, does battery #1 know that?? 'Course not!! All battery #1 will ever care about, is whether the charging voltage is 13.8 volts. As to whether there is another battery in the system, or even 1000 batteries for that matter; as long as battery #1 is receiving it's 13.8 volts, it really doesn't care how many other batteries might be paralleled to the same system. >I would wire the switch in on the positive side . . . Have you not already employed your daft recommendations on your own rig??! <snipped a bunch of opinionated drivel based on ignorance> > All battery #1 will ever care about, is whether the charging voltage > is 13.8 volts. As to whether there is another battery in the system, > or even 1000 batteries for that matter; as long as battery #1 is > receiving it's 13.8 volts, it really doesn't care how many other > batteries might be paralleled to the same system. You are so stupid, mister! There are two states when it comes to batteries. Charging and discharging. If they aren't being charged then they are discharging. Any time you put two or more batteries in parallel they will ALL discharge down to the level of the weakest battery. If the weakest battery happens to be short-circuited internally than ALL the batteries will end up dead. In your ignorance you only see one side of the coin. That's pathetic. Stop trying to act like an authority concerning a subject you obviously are too stupid to understand. Harry Harris SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com >On Sun, 20 May 2007 "Harry Harris" wrote: > Any time you put two or more batteries in parallel >they will ALL discharge down to the level of the weakest battery. I think the concept you were desparately searching for, but unable to express, was an engineering-concept educated people would refer to as "equilibrium" > If the weakest battery happens to be short-circuited internally than ALL the >batteries will end up dead. In your ignorance you only see one side of the coin. That's pathetic One of the most desperate attempts I've ever witnessed in this forum by someone who's singular motivation, is to make a lot of noise without providing content. As for short-circuited batteries . . . Give us a break!! That has nothing whatsover to do with the topic. >Stop trying to act like an authority concerning a subject you obviously >are too stupid to understand. Coming from a dumbnut like you, I consider that a compliment! > Dave, > [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Welllllll You didn't quite hear them correctly. Yup, we used series and parallel batteries on submarines. But (a big but here) the batteries were built up from single, 2,000 lb. cells. So when one went bad, it was jumpered around. Battery voltage went down a bit but the larger battery still worked OK. Submarine electricians took the gravity of the battery cells very frequently and the batteries were taken care of like or maybe better than babies. No battery, no boat. One cannot do what submariners do with batteries except with those extremely high capacity batteries that are sold cell by cell and placed in a big plastic box. I'd buy a set but they don't fit. >One cannot do what submariners do with batteries except with those >extremely high capacity batteries that are sold cell by cell and >placed in a big plastic box. I'd buy a set but they don't fit. And at $1000 - 2000 for a 12 volt collection, you can buy these from Rolls/Surette with a ten year guarantee. |
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