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Exceptional Class B. Motorhome for sale . Below market value.
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Dave in Lake Villa - 07 Jun 2007 03:32 GMT For Sale : 1998 CoachHouse Brand (upper end) Class B. Motorhome / Van Camper as follows.... ______________________________ 19' long, fully equipped RV , meticulously cared for inside and out , with many upgrades and optional factory equipment : White exterior with fancy attractive blue factory decals with highlights and pinstripping Fiberglass roof was recently painted with pure white high-reflective elastomeric paint .
Dodge 3500 chassis, 5.9 litre engine, overdrive automatic transmission, posi-traction rearend , 21 k. true miles on odometer, upgraded stero am/fm / cd / tape player , 4 captains chairs that swivel to make into 2 beds and to seat 4 people at a removable floor mounted table (included) , ps/pb/pw/pl's , cruise control, switch to start engine from the coach battery if required, upgraded aux. electric radiator fan in addition to belt driven engine fan / upgraded aux. trans. cooler with fan for heavy towing if need be. All synthetic fluids . Brand new Michelin tires, brand new H.D. set of shocks, rear air bags for leveling , upgraded aluminum wheels. Coach details : Identical layout to a Roadtrek 190 Versatile model . Has TV, DVD player, VHS player, cable ready , Batwing antennae with booster control, all cabinets and interior doors are made of real oak wood, plush blue carpetting, 4 burner propane stove, brand new larger 4.3 cu.ft. Haier 115 v. refrigerator with 800 w. Inverter , microwave, sink, custom cut rear double bed matress 50w.x72L."x8"h. , push in the floor table for the swivel captains chairs, marine toilet, shower with handheld wand and plastic curtain that pulls out (has a section of the floor that easily removes in the isle to reveal the floor basin), spacious clothes closet, many cupboards, roof mounted 11,000 btu A/C with spare brand new exact replacement compressor, blinds on all windows, dark tinted windows thruout except windshield, fantastic roof fan with thermostat, built in 115 v. coffee maker, propane /electric water heater, propane furnace, 2.8 Onan Generator with just a few hours of runtime on it (regularly excersised each month), 2 deep cell AGM Trojan J150 Batteries for 300 amp/hours of capacity total, coach 12 v. master shutoff switch, 115 v. surge protector for the master electric panel, 12' awning hardly used, upgraded backup lights in addition to the van backup lights, propane connection at rear of Coach for bar-b-quing behind the van, trailer hitch, fresh/grey/black water tanks, control panel inside with tank level readouts and remote generator starting. Added fiberglass insulation to the inside of the walls of the Coach whereever possible Outside and inside is like new . Everything works well, no disappointments, perfect for weekend fishermen/hunters or as a second vehicle. Gets 15 mpg at 60 mph , very comfortable to drive on long trips, and is very stable on the road.
Have complete folder of Manuals and all reciepts for mechanical service and upgrades. Have original Van sticker listing the specs and options from the manufacturer.
NADA 'average condition' price : $25,600 Asking price : $23,000 (firm) for a quick sale.
Again, no disappointments.
Selling the RV to acquire a larger Class C. Motorhome to live in for semi retirement . Located in Lake Villa, Illinois (50 miles north of Chicago). Can furnish a set of pictures upon request for very serious buyers. Dont have means on the internet, but, can send via the U.S. mail. Dave.
Bob V - 07 Jun 2007 04:20 GMT For Sale : 1998 CoachHouse Brand (upper end) Class B. Motorhome / Van Camper as follows.... ______________________________ 19' long, fully equipped RV , meticulously cared for inside and out , with many upgrades and optional factory equipment : White exterior with fancy attractive blue factory decals with highlights and pinstripping Fiberglass roof was recently painted with pure white high-reflective elastomeric paint .
Dodge 3500 chassis, 5.9 litre engine, overdrive automatic transmission, posi-traction rearend , 21 k. true miles on odometer, upgraded stero am/fm / cd / tape player , 4 captains chairs that swivel to make into 2 beds and to seat 4 people at a removable floor mounted table (included) , ps/pb/pw/pl's , cruise control, switch to start engine from the coach battery if required, upgraded aux. electric radiator fan in addition to belt driven engine fan / upgraded aux. trans. cooler with fan for heavy towing if need be. All synthetic fluids . Brand new Michelin tires, brand new H.D. set of shocks, rear air bags for leveling , upgraded aluminum wheels.
Coach details : Identical layout to a Roadtrek 190 Versatile model . Has TV, DVD player, VHS player, cable ready , Batwing antennae with booster control, all cabinets and interior doors are made of real oak wood, plush blue carpetting, 4 burner propane stove, brand new larger 4.3 cu.ft. Haier 115 v. refrigerator with 800 w. Inverter , microwave, sink, custom cut rear double bed matress 50w.x72L."x8"h. , push in the floor table for the swivel captains chairs, marine toilet, shower with handheld wand and plastic curtain that pulls out (has a section of the floor that easily removes in the isle to reveal the floor basin), spacious clothes closet, many cupboards, roof mounted 11,000 btu A/C with spare brand new exact replacement compressor, blinds on all windows, dark tinted windows thruout except windshield, fantastic roof fan with thermostat, built in 115 v. coffee maker, propane /electric water heater, propane furnace, 2.8 Onan Generator with just a few hours of runtime on it (regularly excersised each month), 2 deep cell AGM Trojan J150 Batteries for 300 amp/hours of capacity total, coach 12 v. master shutoff switch, 115 v. surge protector for the master electric panel, 12' awning hardly used, upgraded backup lights in addition to the van backup lights, propane connection at rear of Coach for bar-b-quing behind the van, trailer hitch, fresh/grey/black water tanks, control panel inside with tank level readouts and remote generator starting. Added fiberglass insulation to the inside of the walls of the Coach whereever possible Outside and inside is like new . Everything works well, no disappointments, perfect for weekend fishermen/hunters or as a second vehicle. Gets 15 mpg at 60 mph , very comfortable to drive on long trips, and is very stable on the road.
Have complete folder of Manuals and all reciepts for mechanical service and upgrades. Have original Van sticker listing the specs and options from the manufacturer.
NADA 'average condition' price : $25,600 Asking price : $23,000 (firm) for a quick sale.
Again, no disappointments.
Selling the RV to acquire a larger Class C. Motorhome to live in for semi retirement . Located in Lake Villa, Illinois (50 miles north of Chicago). Can furnish a set of pictures upon request for very serious buyers. Dont have means on the internet, but, can send via the U.S. mail. Dave.
Dave,
Here's a free photo hosting site http://photobucket.com/
Bob
Dave in Lake Villa - 07 Jun 2007 04:30 GMT Sue - 07 Jun 2007 04:58 GMT On Jun 6, 7:32 pm, DaveInLakeVi...@webtv.net (Dave in Lake Villa) wrote:
> For Sale : > 1998 CoachHouse Brand (upper end) Class B. Motorhome WOW! You should convert it into a mobil abortion clinic BTW-----Didn't you pay something like ONLY 15K for it? Sue
Hugh - 07 Jun 2007 16:13 GMT snipped
> NADA 'average condition' price : $25,600 Asking price : $23,000 (firm) > for a quick sale. snipped
Hi Dave. Just curious how you came up with these numbers. I ran it through nadaguides.com and can't even come close to them. Hugh
Dave in Lake Villa - 07 Jun 2007 23:53 GMT 'Hi Dave. Just curious how you came up with these numbers. I ran it through nadaguides.com and can't even come close to them. Hugh'
REPLY: Below, I came up with $24,223 for 'average condition' price which doesnt accurately represent my RV which is in true above average condition (inside and outside) nor some of the upgrades ive had done . If i closely added up things , it would exceed $26,000 .
NADA Price Guide Motor Homes 1998 COACH HOUSE COACH HOUSE M-192,193,194RL-DGE Model: M-192,193,194RL-DGE Length: 19' Coach Design: Van Motor Home Floor Plan: Rear Lounge Self-Contained: YES Slides: N/A Next Steps Free Finance Quote Free Insurance quote Extended Warranty FREE Credit Report and Score! Title and Registration Forms Cash for Your RV Donate Your RV Get your RV trip! June 7, 2007 print this page Low RetailAverage RetailBase Price $15,600 $18,800 Mileage Factor (Gasoline engine only) 20,001 - 25,000: Plus 16.00% $2,496 $3,008 Options AIR CONDITIONING AND HEATING Furnace (10,000-12,000 BTU): $45 $60 ENTERTAINMENT AM/FM/CD Stereo: $95 $115 DVD Player: $100 $125 T.V. 10" Color: $35 $45 MISCELLANEOUS OPTIONAL EQUIPMENT Aluminum RV Wheels (Set of 4): $500 $605 Auxiliary Battery (Each): $20 $30 Awning 10' - 12' (Each): $170 $205 Cruise Control: $35 $45 Inverter (1000 Watt): $270 $330 Power Roof Vent: $55 $70 Tilt Wheel: $35 $45 Trailer Hitch: $40 $50 ENGINE AND SUSPENSION SYSTEMS Air Assisted Suspension: $105 $130 GENERATORS 2 - 3 KW Gas: $470 $570 TOTAL PRICE $20,071 $24,233 Notes MICROWAVE, MONITOR PANEL, AM/FM CASSETTE STEREO, WATER HEATER AND AIR CONDITIONING ARE INCLUDED IN PRICE AS STANDARD EQUIPMENT. PLATINUM ALSO INCLUDE GENERATOR, POWER CORD REEL AND ENTRANCE ELECTRIC STEP.
Hugh - 08 Jun 2007 04:09 GMT > 'Hi Dave. Just curious how you came up with these numbers. I ran it > through nadaguides.com and can't even come close to them. Hugh' [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > condition (inside and outside) nor some of the upgrades ive had done . > If i closely added up things , it would exceed $26,000 . Okay, just curious how you ran the price up. A lot of what you include is part of the package already. I don't find add ons fetch the original cost but if you can get your price good on ya. Hugh
Jim - 09 Jun 2007 16:19 GMT I suspect that you've come up with an inflated price by adding a bunch of 'standard' stuff as if it were 'optional'. Don't be disappointed if buyers make offers much below your asking price.
Example? I've never heard of a class B (except SMB) where the furnace is optional. It's part of the base package, and should not be added in figuring either the new or used price. Same goes for many of the items on your list.
Dunno how you'd find out what was truly optional, tho', unless you've got the original sale paperwork. DIY 'upgrades' will return little of their cost, unless they're universally desirable, and the workmanship is impeccable.
Jim, "Science has discovered the missing link between apes and intelligent life. It's human beings."
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Dave in Lake Villa - 09 Jun 2007 20:49 GMT 'I suspect that you've come up with an inflated price by adding a bunch of 'standard' stuff as if it were 'optional'. Don't be disappointed if buyers make offers much below your asking price. Example? I've never heard of a class B (except SMB) where the furnace is optional. It's part of the base package, and should not be added in figuring either the new or used price. Same goes for many of the items on your list. Dunno how you'd find out what was truly optional, tho', unless you've got the original sale paperwork.'
REPLY: It says right on the NADA site for my Brand what is considered standard and should not be added in.. And that was : Water Heater, Roof A/C, and Stove. So, i added in everything else but those. If this is incorrect to do, then, I think NADA needs to be more accurate.
'DIY 'upgrades' will return little of their cost, unless they're universally desirable, and the workmanship is impeccable.'
REPLY: An Aux. Trans . Cooler and Aux. Electric Radiator Fan offer definite advantages especially when towing or loading up the RV to the max. All the upgrades I made were done tastefully and with good workmanship.
'"Science has discovered the missing link between apes and intelligent life. It's human beings."'
REPLY: There are no 'missing links' in the macro-evolutionary chain because the entire Chain is missing ! ; before you can have macro evolution taking place, you have to have life coming from dead chemicals . which real science says is utterly impossible due to the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics and the Law of Biogenesis which has never been controverted. Life can only come from life itself , and even atheist Dr. Francis Crick who is the cofounder of the DNA structure said that DNA could NOT have arose spontaneously out of the envirnoment. In fact, one day ... the entire myth of Human Beings coming from Hydrogen gas left over from the 'big bang' in addition to macro evolution...will be regarded as the biggest hoax in all of human history for the sole purpose of denying the obvious personal Theistic Creator/Designer which is due to ones personal ulterior motives (that almost always involves some degree of immoral lifestyle choices with the biggest one being : sexual freedom). Heres what some popular Evolutionists are saying about their own Field of Study : ___________________________ " It is therefore a MATTER OF FAITH on the part of the biologist that biogenesis (evolution) did occur and he can choose whatever method of biogenesis happens to suit him personally ; the evidence for what did happen is not available" --- Evolutionist Prof. G.A. Kerkut of the University of Southampton. Source : Implications of Evolution. London. Pergamon Press, 1960, page 150. This Evolutionist is a strong supporter of Evolution theory : " The more one studies paleontology, the more certain one becomes that evolution is based on FAITH ALONE" -- Evolutionist Prof. T.L. Moor . Origins ? The Banner of Truth Trust, 1988 page 22. Another confession from an evolutionist - " We Palenontologists have said that the history of life supports (the story of gradual adaptive change) , all the while really knowing that it does not" -- Dr. Niles Eldredge. Darwin on Trial. Regnery Gateway, 1991, page 59.
This person comes clean finally. A confession of extraordinary honesty
" The record of reckless speculation of human origins is so astonishing that it is legitimate to ask whether much science is yet to be found in this field at all" -- Evolutionist Dr. Solly Zuckerman. Darwin on Trial. 1991. page 82.
From an article in Science Digest Special--- " Scientists who utterly reject Evolution may be one of our fastest growing controversial minorities ... Many of the scientists supporting this posiiton hold impressive credentials in science" . -- Educators Against Darwin. winter 1979, page 94
A huge number of Scientists know Darwinian Evolution is an utter fraud
" I believe that one day the Darwinnian myth will be ranked the greatest deciet in the history of science "--- Prof. Soren Lovtrup, Embriologist. Darwinism : The Refutation of a Myth. 1987. page 422.
" The more i examine the Universe and the details of its architecture, the more evidence i find that the Universe in some sense must have known we were coming"--- Prof. Freeman Dyson, Physicist from Princeton Univ. 'Disturbing the Universe' . 1979. page 250.
Here is a much revered scientist : " The more man is imbued with the ordered regularity of all events, the firmer becomes his conviction that there is no room left by the side of this ordered regularity for causes of a different nature than a Creator" -- Albert Einstein. His LIfe and Times. page 286.
And finally, the bottom line from an "agnostic" Astronomer : " For the scientist who has lived by his faith in the power of reason, the story ends like a bad dream. He has scaled the mountains of ignorance, he is about to conquer the highest peak and as he pulls himself over the final rock, he is greeted by a band of Theologians who have been sitting there for centuries reading Genesis 1:1 : In the Beginning God created the Heavens and the Earth" --- Prof. Robert Jastrow founder of Nasa's Goddard Institute. His book, 'God and the Astronomers. page 116.
To keep on having 'faith' in the impossible of ever having occured by natural causes because you dont want a personal Creator to exist.. is the epitomie of being disengenuous to oneself. Its not a matter of needing evidence to believe (because people already DO) ; rather, its a matter of excersising ones WILL to embrace the Creator whos been trying to get your attention over the many years of your life. Rejection of the Creator now, results in your earthly choice being granted for all of eternity .... which will never ever end. Please dont make that unfortunate decision due to pride and personal rebellion of God. Regards, Dave
Hugh - 10 Jun 2007 01:16 GMT snipped
> REPLY: It says right on the NADA site for my Brand what is considered > standard and should not be added in.. And that was : Water Heater, Roof > A/C, and Stove. So, i added in everything else but those. If this is > incorrect to do, then, I think NADA needs to be more accurate. snipped
> Regards, Dave The nadaguides site reads; "MICROWAVE, MONITOR PANEL, AM/FM CASSETTE STEREO, WATER HEATER AND AIR CONDITIONING ARE INCLUDED IN PRICE AS STANDARD EQUIPMENT. PLATINUM ALSO INCLUDE GENERATOR, POWER CORD REEL AND ENTRANCE ELECTRIC STEP."
I don't know what constitutes "platinum" but presume yours has it. Not trying to tick you off, just trying to clear up some information. Hugh
Tomes - 10 Jun 2007 01:37 GMT "Hugh" ...
> Dave in Lake Villa: > snipped [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > I don't know what constitutes "platinum" but presume yours has it. Not > trying to tick you off, just trying to clear up some information. Perhaps to end the confusion, Dave could just scan the original bill of sale and post it at a site like this: http://www.shutterfly.com/ It is easy and it is free. Tomes
Ken - 10 Jun 2007 02:51 GMT > Perhaps to end the confusion, Dave could just scan the original bill of > sale and post it at a site like this:http://www.shutterfly.com/ > It is easy and it is free. > Tomes (easy and free)?
FYI One word saz it all................WEBTV no scanner capability, and relative few other abilities either
Dave in Lake Villa - 10 Jun 2007 13:16 GMT 'The nadaguides site reads; "MICROWAVE, MONITOR PANEL, AM/FM CASSETTE STEREO, WATER HEATER AND AIR CONDITIONING ARE INCLUDED IN PRICE AS STANDARD EQUIPMENT. PLATINUM ALSO INCLUDE GENERATOR, POWER CORD REEL AND ENTRANCE ELECTRIC STEP." I don't know what constitutes "platinum" but presume yours has it. Not trying to tick you off, just trying to clear up some information. Hugh '
REPLY: You cant go according to the Platinum description because the Platinum is a high end Class C. made by Coach House. Mine is a 1998 Class B.
Hugh - 10 Jun 2007 16:47 GMT > 'The nadaguides site reads; > "MICROWAVE, MONITOR PANEL, AM/FM CASSETTE STEREO, WATER HEATER AND AIR [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Platinum is a high end Class C. made by Coach House. Mine is a 1998 > Class B. Okay, the nada site was confusing then. The Platinum Series didn't come along till the 2001 model year. Still though, the microwave, monitor panel, am/fm cassette, water heater and air conditioning are standard equipment. I'd be surprised if cruise control and some of the rest of the equipment wasn't part of the standard package.
Like I said, if you get your price, good on ya. Judging by the prices quoted on rvtraderonline.com for other pre 2000 Coach House Class B's, yours seems to be "fairly" priced. The Roadtreks I found of that vintage are similarly priced.
I don't think you mentioned how many miles are on your Class B. Also don't think you mentioned whether you are the original owner. Hugh
Dave in Lake Villa - 10 Jun 2007 17:28 GMT 'the nada site was confusing then. The Platinum Series didn't come along till the 2001 model year. Still though, the microwave, monitor panel, am/fm cassette, water heater and air conditioning are standard equipment. I'd be surprised if cruise control and some of the rest of the equipment wasn't part of the standard package. Like I said, if you get your price, good on ya. Judging by the prices quoted on rvtraderonline.com for other pre 2000 Coach House Class B's, yours seems to be "fairly" priced. The Roadtreks I found of that vintage are similarly priced.'
REPLY: Honestly speaking, the CoachHouse is a bit more deluxe inside than the same year Roadtrek as it doesnt use cheaper materials for the walls and interior doors. Real oak wood is used thruout. Plus it is more plush inside . Conversely, the RT's have more exterior storage than the CoachHouse does. My CH is fairly priced considering it has only 21,000 original miles on it. I am the second Private Owner and have had it for 3 years now. Im willing to part with a flat $1,000 commission in case someone sends a Buyer my way that results in the sale. Also, im negoitiable on the price a couple of thousand (max).
Sue - 12 Jun 2007 05:28 GMT On Jun 10, 9:28 am, DaveInLakeVi...@webtv.net (Dave in Lake Villa) wrote: Im willing to part with a flat $1,000
> commission in case someone sends a Buyer my way that results in the > sale. Also, im negoitiable on the price a couple of thousand (max). Sounds to me like you're getting NO RESPONSES and getting a tad worried you can't unload it, eh? Sure hope my revealing that you paid only around 15K for it hasn't hurt your sales pitch, you fuckwit! Or maybe it was even less? Let me see if I can search out those old posts where you bragged how cheap it was
Sue
Hustlin' Hank - 10 Jun 2007 20:18 GMT On Jun 9, 2:49�pm, DaveInLakeVi...@webtv.net (Dave in Lake Villa) wrote:
> REPLY: An Aux. Trans . Cooler and Aux. Electric Radiator Fan offer > definite advantages especially when towing or loading up the RV to the > max. All the upgrades I made were done tastefully and with good > workmanship. Not to be negative, ok I am, but if I were a Buyer, I would think an add-on Trans cooler and add-on radiator fan were installed because the vehicle has an over-heating problem. Or, at least was used to tow more than the factory limit. Otherwise, why install them? Sometime, things left unsaid are better.
Also, in MY opinion (which is usually wrong), the more the seller lists as options, tells me he is trying to justify his high price. I have bought many, many things in my life that has "options". I never allow any extras to affect the purchase price of a used vehicle of any kind. I think you'll find dealers do this also when taking in a trade. A dealer MAY get AVERAGE retail out of a vehicle iif the vehicle is in EXTREMELY good cond., but usually not. For a private owner to get a few hundred above AVERAGE trade-in is about par.
When buying a RV, a dealer may give you a little more than wholesale for your trade-in, but they don't come off the MSRP as much as if you bought the RV outright. The end result is the same, you gonna get screwed.
Hank <~~~~Worst salesman on earth
Dave in Lake Villa - 10 Jun 2007 22:34 GMT 'Not to be negative, ok I am, but if I were a Buyer, I would think an add-on Trans cooler and add-on radiator fan were installed because the vehicle has an over-heating problem. Or, at least was used to tow more than the factory limit. Otherwise, why install them? Sometime, things left unsaid are better.'
REPLY: You make a valid point. Ive never towed with it but the potential buyer wouldnt know for sure.
'Also, in MY opinion (which is usually wrong), the more the seller lists as options, tells me he is trying to justify his high price. '
REPLY: Valid again. I dont care to use options to justify a higher price ; I think the low mileage of 21 k. and the way it looks justifys it. However, the price im asking is very much inline.
'When buying a RV, a dealer may give you a little more than wholesale for your trade-in, but they don't come off the MSRP as much as if you bought the RV outright. The end result is the same, you gonna get screwed.'
REPLY: Thats why its always best to sell a running car/RV by yourself .. unless its limping along and on its last legs .
Hustlin' Hank - 12 Jun 2007 00:52 GMT On Jun 10, 4:34�pm, DaveInLakeVi...@webtv.net (Dave in Lake Villa) wrote:
> REPLY: Valid again. I dont care to use options to justify a higher > price ; I think the low mileage of 21 k. and the way it looks justifys [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > REPLY: Thats why its always best to sell a running car/RV by yourself > .. unless its limping along and on its last legs . Personally, I think low milage can be as bad, if not worse than high mileage. Again, I have bought many, many vehicles in my life, both new and used. I once bought a 10 year old Maverick from a friend of my mothers who had it serviced regularly. It only had 11,000 miles on it. The lifters were sticking, the seals leaked, the brake lines were rusted, tires were cracked and other things. I think you get my point. So, low mileage doesn't mean it is in good shape.
Hank <~~~Thinks Dave is glad I am not buying it
Dave in Lake Villa - 12 Jun 2007 03:03 GMT 'Personally, I think low milage can be as bad, if not worse than high mileage. Again, I have bought many, many vehicles in my life, both new and used.'
REPLY: If the vehicle has low mileage on it yet has been driven enough to get it up to temperature fairly often, that is not a bad thing. Its if it has sat there for quite some time. You have to look for things such as dryrotted tires, brake calipers that may stick, warped brake rotors, varmin that have eated away at wires/hoses, etc...
'Hank <~~~Thinks Dave is glad I am not buying it'
REPLY: If Hank was in the market for a Class B, he would think highly of this one im selling . Its been very cared for by the first owner as well as me the second owner.
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