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Car Forum / Driving, Maintenance, Tuning / RVs / June 2007Fresh Water Hose
I've got a question about the white fresh water hose that's commonly used to connect a rig to city water. It's probably a good idea to have the white hose, which looks markedly different than the gray or black hoses, so it doesn't get mixed up with the others. But if one was to park their rig and stay in it for an extended period, say, several months while the house was being remodeled, do you think the white hose is absolutely necessary? Or could a regular garden hose work? I guess what I'm mainly wondering is if there's something bad in garden hoses that would make them not a good choice. And, I'm wondering if there's something special about the white hoses which would make them a better choice (other than their color). Thanks, -Rob over time they do not give you the plastic/rubber taste in the water. mikeyhsd@comcast.net I've got a question about the white fresh water hose that's commonly used to connect a rig to city water. It's probably a good idea to have the white hose, which looks markedly different than the gray or black hoses, so it doesn't get mixed up with the others. But if one was to park their rig and stay in it for an extended period, say, several months while the house was being remodeled, do you think the white hose is absolutely necessary? Or could a regular garden hose work? I guess what I'm mainly wondering is if there's something bad in garden hoses that would make them not a good choice. And, I'm wondering if there's something special about the white hoses which would make them a better choice (other than their color). Thanks, -Rob >But if one was to park their rig and stay in it for an extended period, >say, several months while the house was being remodeled, do you think [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >there's something special about the white hoses which would make them a >better choice (other than their color). The white hose is supposed to be manufactured differently to provide for clean water without harmful chemicals and bad taste. I personally wouldn't even remotely consider using a black hose for drinking water. GB in NC >I've got a question about the white fresh water hose that's commonly >used to connect a rig to city water. [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] >Thanks, >-Rob Go hook up your garden hose, run some water through it, then drink from the hose. Taste the rubber?  SignatureFrank Tabor > I've got a question about the white fresh water hose that's commonly > used to connect a rig to city water. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > different than the gray or black hoses, so it doesn't get mixed up > with the others. GB is correct. The white hose is made with food grade components. All the others are not, so don't even consider using them. If you are going to be parked in the same spot for months, white plastic piping may be the way to go. Tom J >GB is correct. The white hose is made with food grade components. All >the others are not, so don't even consider using them. If you are >going to be parked in the same spot for months, white plastic piping >may be the way to go. > >Tom J Problem is, I have been ingesting water passed by garden hose for 60+ years. In that time I must have drunk 200 gallons or more. I don't think I have suffered too many ill effects in that time. Dean > Problem is, I have been ingesting water passed by garden hose for 60+ > years. In that time I must have drunk 200 gallons or more. I don't > think I have suffered too many ill effects in that time. > > Dean So long as you flush standing water out of a regular garden hose, so that you're drinking fresh stuff, I doubt you'll suffer too many ill effects. I think it's the problem of standing water in a garden hose that causes the bad taste (rubber, chemicals) and possible contamination. <Good grief! Tiny frogs could grow in there.> You can see where an RV hookup with periods of non water usage could create this situation. SignatureBarbara -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com >So long as you flush standing water out of a regular garden hose, so >that you're drinking fresh stuff, I doubt you'll suffer too many ill [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] ><Good grief! Tiny frogs could grow in there.> You can see where an >RV hookup with periods of non water usage could create this situation. I don't recall ever flushing a hose through unless the water was too hot for comfort. Rarely happened. Dean I concur. But they're right on the taste thing. Especially if it lays in the sun for a while then gets used. It won't hurt you, but it may taste like garden hose. SignatureSteve Barker > Problem is, I have been ingesting water passed by garden hose for 60+ > years. In that time I must have drunk 200 gallons or more. I don't > think I have suffered too many ill effects in that time. > > Dean >> GB is correct. The white hose is made with food grade components. All >> the others are not, so don't even consider using them. If you are [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Dean Look at it like this. There are certain standards (posited by the FDA, now emaciated under the Bush administration) having to do with the "acceptable" levels of certain contaminants. Many of these contaminants are cumulative in the body (think Mercury). If that is true for the contaminants present in non-food-grade hoses, then using those hoses will at some point bring the body to a point where it will have absorbed all of the contaminants that it might reasonably be expected to be able to (absorb) without damage to the body. So my question is, "Why, given the fact that there are known contaminants in certain products, would a person continue to use those products in the face of this knowledge?" Of course, why would a person smoke in this day of knowledge about its dangers? Stubbornness? Stupidity? Arrogance? Laissez-faire? If my doctor tells me that something I am doing is basically contraindicated, why on earth would I continue to do it? Addiction? The price of a white, food-grade hose, is small when compared to the ultimate cost of chemicals in the body. A pack of cigarettes not smoked is $5 saved. What is the problem? kh Ah, yes, I just figured it out. God put those things on earth to tempt us. Alas, the failure rate is SO high! And of course the FDA, EPA, and the government in general never over-react and put out false information do they??? (think chlordane, ddt, asbestos, and I'm sure there are hundreds more products that worked that they 86'd for no good reason.) SignatureSteve Barker > Look at it like this. There are certain standards (posited by the FDA, > now emaciated under the Bush administration) having to do with the [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > Ah, yes, I just figured it out. God put those things on earth to tempt > us. Alas, the failure rate is SO high! Steve Barker wrote: And of course the FDA, EPA, and the government in general never over-react and put out false information do they??? (think chlordane, ddt, asbestos, and I'm sure there are hundreds more products that worked that they 86'd for no good reason.)<<<<<< The treehuggers had DDT banned in 1972. Since then, millions have died from Malaria.......all preventable deaths. From Google.................. Six years after the United States banned DDT, there were 800 million cases of malaria and 8.2 million deaths per year. Malaria - Malaria is both preventable and curable. - A child dies of malaria every 30 seconds. - More than one million people die of malaria every year, mostly infants, young children and pregnant women and most of them in Africa. SignatureJerryD(upstateNY) Correct . And they still use DDT in other parts of the world as I understand it. SignatureSteve Barker > Steve Barker wrote: And of course the FDA, EPA, and the government in > general never over-react and put out false information do they??? (think [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > mostly infants, young children and pregnant women and most of them in > Africa. On Wed, 13 Jun 2007 00:27:52 -0400, "JerryD\(upstateNY\)" <jerryd@wherever.com> wrote: ............... > Six years after the United States banned DDT, there were 800 million >cases of malaria and 8.2 million deaths per year. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > - More than one million people die of malaria every year, mostly >infants, young children and pregnant women and most of them in Africa. Our banning DDT allowed 800 million cases in the US? There are only 300M total population. Something reeks of sensationalism here. But I do agree, banning DDT was stupid. Dean "Dean" wrote in message ......Our banning DDT allowed 800 million cases in the US? Worldwide, not just in the US. Because it was the developed countries who made DDT, when it was banned the 3rd world countries couldn't get any to use. From............http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DDT In the 1970s and 1980s, agricultural use of DDT was banned in most developed countries, SignatureJerryD(upstateNY) >Look at it like this. There are certain standards (posited by the FDA, >now emaciated under the Bush administration) having to do with the [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] >Ah, yes, I just figured it out. God put those things on earth to tempt >us. Alas, the failure rate is SO high! Ya, Bush is the ultimate reason for all bad in the world. Especially to you liberal "no one should ever be in harm's way" reactionarys. I bet you wear gloves and a body condom when dumping. I bet you NEVER do anything that could be dangerous in any way. Ya, sure Waldo. Every action has a risk factor. A rational person evaluates Risk versus Reward information and acts. Sometimes it has bad consequences but that is called "sh.t happens". If you are on the east side of a busy freeway and opt to wander across, you are likely to suffer bad results. If you opt to get in a car and drive on proper lanes from one side to the other you are less likely to have a problem. BUT, you could still be hit by a semi and be killed. Risk<>Reward at work. No wonder this country is in a heap 'o sh.t with candy assed worrywart creeps like you. But you can live your life as you wish. I, for one, will continue in my mode. YMMV Though no one's really said what the problem is specifically with garden hoses, what Ken wrote below is kinda what I've been thinking. There probably is lots of chlorinated hydrocarbons and other fun stuff leaching into the water while it's sitting there not being used, though still under 45 psi pressure. I've got a three year old who'll be a user of it too, so I'm not gonna expose her to any of that chemist's voodoo stuff. Risk:reward ratio too high, in my estimation. I think I'll go ahead and get another white food grade hose since JerryD's point about them being cheap is spot on, and the winning argument. Thanks all, and I didn't mean for my question to bring out the best/worst in some folks. -Rob >>> GB is correct. The white hose is made with food grade components. All >>> the others are not, so don't even consider using them. If you are [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > Ah, yes, I just figured it out. God put those things on earth to tempt > us. Alas, the failure rate is SO high! "Rob J" ... > Though no one's really said what the problem is specifically with garden > hoses, what Ken wrote below is kinda what I've been thinking. There [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > -Rob You make the right choice Rob. Read on this for some information on non-potable hoses: http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/nwgardens/317867_lovejoy02.html?source=mypi Tomes Thanks for the link, Tomes. So it's lead that's the culprit. Nasty stuff. I may take the suggestion from the article and search around for a good quality potable hose that I can use later in the garden after we're done driveway camping. Currently in the garden I'm using a black Craftsman (Sears) brand rubber hose. Not sure if that contains lead or other nasties, but they sure seem to be durable. Cheers, -Rob > "Rob J" ... >> Though no one's really said what the problem is specifically with garden [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/nwgardens/317867_lovejoy02.html?source=mypi > Tomes I am a retired plastics engineer by the way. Lead has been used for years as a stabilizer for PVC, and it also helps soften it as well. I suspect that they use different stabilizers now with all the disclosure laws and all, but I do not know for sure. I also understand that much of the hose is made in other countries (other than in the USA) who do not have the laws we have here, so literally anything can go into them (hose is a low-purity commodity relatively speaking in the plastics realm where a lot of stuff can be blended in to get rid of it). It becomes a matter of what they have to do and say to get them past customs and into the USA to sell. The other side of this is lead is a really good stabilizer. The white hose has none of this, and uses other UV stabilizer choices (or none). As such I would suspect (without having run any tests) that the lifespan due to sunlight exposure would be greatly less with the white hoses. This would translate into putting them away out of the sunlight when not in use in order to avoid needlessly using up whatever stabilizer package they use and the onset of embrittlement. Tomes > Thanks for the link, Tomes. So it's lead that's the culprit. Nasty > stuff. [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] >> http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/nwgardens/317867_lovejoy02.html?source=mypi >> Tomes Rob, if you consider the sciences to be 'voodoo', you merely validate your ignorance. As such, you open yourself to 'flim-flam' BS, e.g. Algore's Blobull Warming. Dean >Though no one's really said what the problem is specifically with garden >hoses, what Ken wrote below is kinda what I've been thinking. There [quoted text clipped - 52 lines] >> Ah, yes, I just figured it out. God put those things on earth to tempt >> us. Alas, the failure rate is SO high! I guess what I'm mainly wondering is if there's something bad in garden hoses that would make them not a good choice.<<<<<<< Obviously you have never drank from a garden hose. And it isn't like the white hose cost an arm and a leg. SignatureJerryD(upstateNY) >I've got a question about the white fresh water hose that's commonly >used to connect a rig to city water. [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] >Thanks, >-Rob ` The White hoses are designed to be used under pressure 100% of the time, while other hoses are not and will swell up and burst. > On Sun, 10 Jun 2007 15:25:32 -0700, Rob J > ` > The White hoses are designed to be used under pressure 100% of > the time, while other hoses are not and will swell up and burst. White hoses can swell up and burst too. My 1970 white hose gave up on me last year<G>. Paul Johnson White hoses can swell up and burst too. My 1970 white hose gave up on me last year<G>. > Paul Johnson<<<<< Do you mean the damn thing only lasted 36 years ? I'd return it. Do you still have the recipe ? <g> SignatureJerryD(upstateNY) > I've got a question about the white fresh water hose that's commonly > used to connect a rig to city water. [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > Thanks, > -Rob (I honestly never though twice about drinking from a hose until my kids were small. I discovered then that most hoses carry a disclaimer on the label. They read: "This hose is NOT intended for drinking water use. WARNING: This product contains a chemical known to the State of California to cause cancer. WARNING: This product contains a chemical known to the State of California to cause birth defects or other reproductive harm.") According to the state of California the air causes cancer! I don't know about you all but I grew up drinking from the hose and as far as I can tell it did no harm. Your opinion on that may be different. ;-) SignatureMatt Delete nospam for email "Where did you say we are going again, Dear?" |
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