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Small bubbles on the side of an RV ;  can they be popped ???

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Dave in Lake Villa - 18 Jun 2007 16:50 GMT
The RV has fiberglass sides and there are about 4 small bubbles close
together half way up from the ground . The RV Dealer says 'no
prob'...they can be simply popped to let the air out.   Is this of
little concern, or,  is it a major concern ?  THANKS, Dave.
Janet Wilder - 18 Jun 2007 18:24 GMT
> The RV has fiberglass sides and there are about 4 small bubbles close
> together half way up from the ground . The RV Dealer says 'no
> prob'...they can be simply popped to let the air out.   Is this of
> little concern, or,  is it a major concern ?  THANKS, Dave.

Sounds  like delamination.

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Matt Colie - 18 Jun 2007 19:47 GMT
Dave,

Just what do you mean by small??

Most boats are fiberglass these days, and many have situations like this.

It is Never "no prob".

I need to know more to give a better answer, but a real common boat
problem (even refereed to as Boat Pox) is a failure of the laminate to
bond to the gelcoat.  If you "let the air out", you have done nothing
better than try to push peeling paint back on.

Matt Colie

> The RV has fiberglass sides and there are about 4 small bubbles close
> together half way up from the ground . The RV Dealer says 'no
> prob'...they can be simply popped to let the air out.   Is this of
> little concern, or,  is it a major concern ?  THANKS, Dave.
Bruce - 18 Jun 2007 20:38 GMT
Is this under a sticker, decal or banner? If this is the case, then popping
and pressing the decal back is fine. If this is under the gel coat, then
that is a different story.

Bruce

> The RV has fiberglass sides and there are about 4 small bubbles close
> together half way up from the ground . The RV Dealer says 'no
> prob'...they can be simply popped to let the air out.   Is this of
> little concern, or,  is it a major concern ?  THANKS, Dave.
Dave in Lake Villa - 18 Jun 2007 21:55 GMT
Thanks everyone .  Further...the small bubbles  are a little less than
the diameter of a Dime, they are not under or over a decal, etc.. but on
the wall of the RV not near anything close ;  the RV Dealer said he
would take a razor blade and make a small short slice into each bubble
so it lays flat. I assumed there was air in each bubble...but perhaps it
is delamination.   Question : How expensive is it to fix it correctly if
it did not adhere ?  Can someone venture an educated guess ?  Other than
these bubbles, the RV looks in great shape with no other blemishes,
damage, etc.  Thanks, Dave.
Matt Colie - 19 Jun 2007 01:47 GMT
Well Dave,

You know that my day job is working on boats - Right?

It isn't air in there.  It might be outgassing from the resin, but here
is more than you probably wanted to know.

Bubbles like that are typically where the laminate (chop) did not adhere
to the gelcoat.  Do you know how this is done?  They spray the gelcoat
in the mold first then put the composite inside the color coat.  The
composite (laminate/fiberglass) is actually sprayed also by a nifty
thing called a chop gun.  It mixes the resin and catalyst (hardener)
right in the gun and draws in a yarn of glass fiber that gets cut into
small pieces as it is coated with mix at fired at the mold.  Gelcoat is
also often sprayed with a mixing gun but with that gun doesn't add yarn.

Now the problem.  All this stuff works great when it works, but it
doesn't take much to make it not work.

A couple of drops of water falling on the color coat prior to laying on
the glass will cause just such a problem, and cutting them and pushing
the bubble down will do little good.  Failure of either mixing gun would
cause that problem over a much larger area.

Now the answer you were really waiting for.  To repair this correctly,
the blistered gelcoat has to be removed the exposed surfaces cleaned and
new gelcoat filled in.  Around here, if that is all that need doing, I
would expect to pay 60~100$ (depending on the actual area) for this job.

If you are in the Lake Villa by Waukegan, that should be about right.
If you find the right glass guy, you will never be able to locate the
repair again.

Good Luck

Matt Colie

> Thanks everyone .  Further...the small bubbles  are a little less than
> the diameter of a Dime, they are not under or over a decal, etc.. but on
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> these bubbles, the RV looks in great shape with no other blemishes,
> damage, etc.  Thanks, Dave.  
Dave in Lake Villa - 19 Jun 2007 02:05 GMT
'You know that my day job is working on boats - Right?'

REPLY:  No. Actually i had no idea. But youre obviously the man with the
info on this subject.

'Bubbles like that are typically where the laminate (chop) did not
adhere to the gelcoat. Do you know how this is done? They spray the
gelcoat in the mold first then put the composite inside the color coat.
The composite (laminate/fiberglass) is actually sprayed also by a nifty
thing called a chop gun. It mixes the resin and catalyst (hardener)
right in the gun and draws in a yarn of glass fiber that gets cut into
small pieces as it is coated with mix at fired at the mold. Gelcoat is
also often sprayed with a mixing gun but with that gun doesn't add yarn.
Now the problem. All this stuff works great when it works, but it
doesn't take much to make it not work.
A couple of drops of water falling on the color coat prior to laying on
the glass will cause just such a problem, and cutting them and pushing
the bubble down will do little good. Failure of either mixing gun would
cause that problem over a much larger area.'

REPLY:  I appreciate you sharing this with me. I have a deeper
appreciation for how its done now.

'Now the answer you were really waiting for. To repair this correctly,
the blistered gelcoat has to be removed the exposed surfaces cleaned and
new gelcoat filled in. Around here, if that is all that need doing, I
would expect to pay 60~100$ (depending on the actual area) for this job.
If you are in the Lake Villa by Waukegan, that should be about right. '

REPLY:  Well, based on me getting this RV for well under the NADA RV
Price Guide,  $100 is a welcomed expenditure to have it repaired right.
Yes, im in Lake Villa near Waukegan, Illinois .... does that mean you
are in my area also ?  If so,  when i pick up this RV , would you be
interested in repairing it correctly for me ? If not, then i might go to
the Auto Body Shop at the bottom of my street since i know he works on
Corvettes which are fiberglass also.  But, my first choice is yourself.

Dave
Matt Colie - 19 Jun 2007 13:08 GMT
Dave,
I appreciate the offer, but I am in south east Michigan about half way
between Ann Arbor and Detroit.  I just happen to have worked in
Milwaukee and in Chicago at different times.

While I do a pretty good amount of structural glass work, I have two
people that I leave the gelcoat work to because they both do better at
it than I do.

The Corvette shop sounds like a very good plan.  Go talk to him and if
you can get in his book, I'm sure he can get it right.

If you can't get into someone's schedule, don't fret, just wait until
fall.  The blisters won't change and about then the boat shops are
starting to get hungry and looking for anything to keep them going until
they can go into winter mode.

Good Luck Guy

Matt Colie

> 'You know that my day job is working on boats - Right?'
>
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>
> Dave
stan.birch@hotmail.com - 20 Jun 2007 01:12 GMT
>On Mon, 18 Jun 2007 (Dave in Lake Villa) wrote:
>The RV has fiberglass sides and there are about 4 small bubbles close
>together half way up from the ground . The RV Dealer says 'no
>prob'...they can be simply popped to let the air out.   Is this of
>little concern, or,  is it a major concern ?  THANKS, Dave.

If the rig has fiberglass sides, then it must be a Chinook; one of the
best constructed motorhomes ever made; and the only Class C I know of
that was ever built with fiberglass sides. For sure, as already
stated, a few bubbles on a fiberglass side (or boat) is no big deal;
and easily repaired.

If the unnamed rig is not a Chinook, then it doesn't have fiberglass
sides. It just has styrofoam sides with a 1/16" inch fiberglass skin
glued to the styrofoam or intermediary luan plywood which become
unglued in the presence of moisture. Doesn't take much for badly
constructed sidewalls to start becoming unglued, evidenced by bubbles
in the skin. It just gets worse and worse, until the sidewalls totally
disintegrate. The only repair option is to replace the sidewalls at a
cost of $10,000 to $15,000 per side.
Dave in Lake Villa - 20 Jun 2007 02:08 GMT
'If the unnamed rig is not a Chinook, then it doesn't have fiberglass
sides. It just has styrofoam sides with a 1/16" inch fiberglass skin
glued to the styrofoam or intermediary luan plywood which become unglued
in the presence of moisture. Doesn't take much for badly constructed
sidewalls to start becoming unglued, evidenced by bubbles in the skin.
It just gets worse and worse, until the sidewalls totally disintegrate.'

REPLY: Its a Trail-Lite brand Class C.  ANd its that shiny fiberglass
appearance on the outside.  Same as a Coachmen Class C.  from what ive
seen.  The RV Dealer is going to 'burst' the bubbles tomorrow then im
going back to see how it looks.  Will advise.
 
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