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Car Forum / Driving, Maintenance, Tuning / RVs / July 2007Somebody asked for proof... Propane danger.
Somebody asked for proof that propane is dangerous and can explode your RV. Naysaysers abound and that's for sure. I think it was that Dean fellow, you know the one. He's the homophobic one. He wrote: "You insist on this reiterating totally stupid comment. Would you PLEASE provide ONE documented instance of this menace? End of discussion. Back under your rock, troll!" See, he knew he'd be proven wrong so he ran and hid under his rock. Here's why he's wrong. Go to this site: http://www.lightweight-rv-news.com/top_five_rv_insurance_claims.htm It lists the top five RV insurance claims. Number one on the list??? You guessed it, "1. Refrigerator fires and propane tanks. GMAC Insurance receives at least 400 claims per year due to refrigerator fires caused by leaking propane tanks. A rig can burn up in as fast as six minutes as a result of leaks in the propane tank system. Another problem: Tailgating sports fans wanting to show their support have even painted their tanks the teams' colors. Dark colors more readily absorb the sun's rays and can cause the tank to overheat and explode." This is serious business. Propane is very dangerous and the insurance industry certainly knows what it's talking about.. Happy to be of help. I guess I'm owed an apology by Dean. The whole group is owed one. Dean is not concerned about your welfare like I am. Harry Harris  SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com Nothing of interest. You are a f.cking loony. > Harry Harris SignatureFrank Tabor In San Francisco, Halloween is redundant. -- Will Durst > Nothing of interest. You are a f.cking loony. You must not have read the link. Citing insurance company statistics that say the leading cause of RV insurance claims is propane fired refrigerators and propane tanks and systems is looney? In my mind that's citing facts. Since when is citing facts looney? Wake up, people! You can lead a horse to water but . . . Harry Harris SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com >> Nothing of interest. You are a f.cking loony. > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Harry Harris You're still a looney. There are probably 10 million RVs out there with propane on them. Not to mention millions and millions of homes and businesses that use propane and natural gas. I know what it is. The boogie man that scared your mama must have been the gas man. SignatureFrank Tabor Q: What do you get when you cross a mobster with an international standard? A: You get someone who makes you an offer that you can't understand! >You're still a looney. There are probably 10 million RVs out there with >propane on them. Not to mention millions and millions of homes and >businesses that use propane and natural gas. Okay. I'm gonna tear out all the propane piping in my house, replace my water heaters, cooktops, and brand new clothes dryer with electric ones, replace my big genset with a diesel-powered one, and have my 1000-gallon LP tank hauled away. Not. (Now will you guys quit arguing with this loon so the rest of us don't have to see his crap any more?) GB in NC >You must not have read the link. Citing insurance company statistics >that say the leading cause of RV insurance claims is propane fired >refrigerators and propane tanks and systems is looney? In my mind >that's citing facts. Since when is citing facts looney? Wake up, >people! The aforementioned website containes absolutely no statistical data. Second, they don't have the remotest clue as to what they are talking about! i.e. "GMAC Insurance receives at least 400 claims per year due to refrigerator fires caused by leaking propane tanks." Can anyone envision refrigerator fires being caused by a leaking propane tanks?!?!? <giggle> This website is run by an advertising agency who doesn't even realize how stooopid the stuff they are posting is. Sounds like the kind or organization which would appreciate the benefit of having a fag like Hairy Hair a.s working for them. On Jul 3, 12:55 pm, stan.bi...@hotmail.com wrote: > >You must not have read the link. Citing insurance company statistics > >that say the leading cause of RV insurance claims is propane fired [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > Sounds like the kind or organization which would appreciate the > benefit of having a fag like Hairy Hair a.s working for them. Perhaps there were enough fires caused by Domenic refrigerators that they initiated a recall. Mine is one of them. The recall can be said that it only states that "a fire is possible". I personally never heard of one but I doubt that the company would go to that big expense unless it has actually happened. Norcold had a similar problem a couple years ago. I see some posting about their RV burning due to it. One a 7 million dollar award to the wife of someone who died due to it. Another I read smelled the leak and turned the gas off before it caught fire. Bottom line is that just like having natural gas in you house you need to exercise reasonable care. The authors of the articles are not experts. Nit picking their choice of words proves nothing. >The authors of the articles are not experts. Nit picking their choice >of words proves nothing. Neither does *using* such authors as proof, prove anything; which was the initial intent. The only thing that can be proven from the news item written by these authors, is that they don't have the foggiest clue what they are talking about! >>The authors of the articles are not experts. Nit picking their choice >>of words proves nothing. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > authors, is that they don't have the foggiest clue what they are > talking about! If the danger wasn't so great, I'd have a good laugh at all you people who ignore the evidence and continue to live in ignorant bliss in your propane time bombs. But, as it stands, you people who disregard how dangerous propane actually is stand a very good chance of being burned, blown-up or worse by your propane systems. And of all the ignorant uses of propane refrigeration is at the very top of the list. Imagine the stupidity of using a propane fire to cool an ice box. It just doesn't get much more inefficient that fire to produce cold. Get safe and get real - use one of the many fine, safe and efficient 12volt refrigerators that are about 1/5 the cost of a dangerous Dometic gas bomb/fire fridge. Harry Harris SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com On Jul 5, 12:14?pm, "Harry Harris" <har...@thehilltopcafe.notagoodaddy> wrote: Get safe and get real - use one of the many fine, safe and > efficient 12volt refrigerators that are about 1/5 the cost of a > dangerous Dometic gas bomb/fire fridge. > > Harry Harris I could be wrong, but any form electricity can and does cause heat, which can turn into a fire under ceratin circumstances, just like propane or any energy source. The sun alone can start a fire. I believe it is the energy produced by heat that makes the refrigerant move by expanding the liquid and forcing it thru the expansion valve which turns it into a gas state, even in 12 volt non-compressor systems. Of course I am probably wrong. I tried to "dumb down" the above in hopes you'll understand it better. Hank <~~~~Mr. Kewl >If the danger wasn't so great, I'd have a good laugh at all you people >who ignore the evidence and continue to live in ignorant bliss in your [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > >Harry Harris You have just written the most scientifically incorrect, ignorant collection of words I have ever seen in print. 1) Using available data, what is the probability of injury from a propane caused, RV fire? 2) Using available data, what is the probability of injury from a blown tire causing an RV injury? 3) Using available data, what is the probability of injury from a driver falling asleep at the wheel causing an RV injury? 4) Can you point us to an ad showing a 12V refrigerator of the same size as a Dometic 2-door, which costs 1/5 as much, and which will run on said 12V source for a minimum of 2 weeks without power source replenishment? You are still a troll, but a self-proven stupid troll. >>If the danger wasn't so great, I'd have a good laugh at all you people >>who ignore the evidence and continue to live in ignorant bliss in your [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > > You are still a troll, but a self-proven stupid troll. Your logic is totally lacking. Your first three items are nothing but a lame attempt to obfuscate. But, it won't work. You aren't sending me on a wild goose chase that easily. Already, I've published a link where a reputable insurance company says propane refrigerators and associated tanks and plumbing cause far and away the greatest majority of major RV insurance claims. Not blown tires and not falling asleep at the wheel. Again you're trying to say. "There are some things as dangerous or more dangerous than propane fires and propane explosions, therefore the dangers of propane can be ignored. That's just plain dumb. You think like a woman who has no life experience with systems. As for number four, do your own research. A 12vdc/120vac combo unit can provide all the refrigeration you need when combined with a decent sized battery bank supplemented with a couple of solar panels. When you're at a campsite you can run it off the supplied land line power. Show me a Dometic that will run after your propane tank runs dry. At least with a battery powered unit you can use it indefinitely. Batteries can be charged when you drive your RV, when you're plugged into the campsite power of even when you're off the grid provided you have a couple solar panels on top of your RV. Check it out here: http://www.pplmotorhomes.com/parts/rv-refrigerators/marine-truck-refrigerators.htm? You don't need dangerous propane. It's plain and simple. There are plenty enough dangers that will shorten your life or kill you without living with a big one you don't need in the first place. Harry Harris SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com On Jul 5, 6:35?pm, "Harry Harris" <har...@thehilltopcafe.notagoodaddy> wrote: > You don't need dangerous propane. It's plain and simple. There are > plenty enough dangers that will shorten your life or kill you without > living with a big one you don't need in the first place. > > Harry Harris Poor Harry, you are so pitiful. If you do your research, you'll find that many house fires use to be related to refrigerators. Why you ask? I'll tell you........stupidity! Years ago, many people pushed their refrigerators tight against the wall which may squeeze the electrical cord between the wall and the refrigerator. Over time, the wire would fray and short out, therefore causing the fire. This don't happen much today because of the circuit breakers and flame retardant insulation, but it was a common cause many year ago. It is possible it could happen today tho. If you're scared, I suggest you get a cooler and just use ice. Hank <~~~Old school > On Jul 5, 6:35?pm, "Harry Harris" <har...@thehilltopcafe.notagoodaddy> > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > Hank <~~~Old school It appears that the problem Norcold and Dominic had/have is leaking refrigerant near the boiler. The refrigeratant contains Hydrogen gas. If the refrigerator is operating on Propane a fire usually results. So, do you blame the refrigerator or propane? All the authors of those articles know is that they were told that there were quite a few fires resulting from propane operated refrigerators. >From what I hear the Dominic fix doesn't prevent the leak. It just deflects a possible leak away from the flame. I see where Rich256 <hrlilien@yahoo.com> contributed: >Norcold had a similar problem a couple years ago. More than a couple of years -- but it was an electrical problem - NOT even distantly related to a propane fire. Will Sill The Curmudgeon of Sill Hill > I see where Rich256 <hrlilien@yahoo.com> contributed: > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Will Sill Damn, wrong yet again. <http://www.rvrefrigeration.com/rv-industry.asp> Hugh > > I see where Rich256 <hrlil...@yahoo.com> contributed: > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > <http://www.rvrefrigeration.com/rv-industry.asp> > Hugh The Norcold was similar: It was a coolant leak that could catch fire by the propane flame. http://www.thetford.com/HOME/CUSTOMERSUPPORT/RecallInfo/tabid/264/Default.aspx I see where Rich256 <hrlilien@yahoo.com> contributed: >> >>Norcold had a similar problem a couple years ago. >> >> > More than a couple of years -- but it was an electrical problem - NOT >> > even distantly related to a propane fire. Rich: >The Norcold was similar: It was a coolant leak that could catch fire >by the propane flame. > >http://www.thetford.com/HOME/CUSTOMERSUPPORT/RecallInfo/tabid/264/Default.aspx Sorry - I sit corrected. I was not aware of that one. Our Norcold was the subject of an unrelated electrical recall. See http://www.rvmobile.com/Tech/Trouble/838tronics.htm Will Sill The Curmudgeon of Sill Hill >>>I see where Rich256 <hrlil...@yahoo.com> contributed: >> [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > http://www.thetford.com/HOME/CUSTOMERSUPPORT/RecallInfo/tabid/264/Default.aspx My link referenced both the Dometic and Norcold recalls. I still like the old Dometics that didn't need any electric hookup. Our Sunline 5th wheel had the old style with the knob you turned to select either 120v electric or gas. They had a pilot light and you could check if it was on by the Lucite? tab that was on the control panel. The electronic controls have been a PIA since the manufacturers started using them. We've had electronic failures on our Award Dometic fridge, our Award Suburban water heater and our Alumascape Norcold fridge. The Award Dometic had both the main electronic module and the eyebrow module fail. I replaced the main module with a Dinosaur brand which cut out the 12 volt setting. Never missed it. Hugh > Nothing of interest. You are a f.cking loony. You must not have read the link. Citing insurance company statistics that say the leading cause of RV insurance claims is propane fired refrigerators and propane tanks and systems is looney? In my mind that's citing facts. Since when is citing facts looney? Wake up, people! You can lead a horse to water but . . . Harry Harris SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com >> Nothing of interest. You are a f.cking loony. > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Harry Harris Somebody ought to stick a propane bottle up your a.s and light it. Then you would have something to be scared of. SignatureFrank Tabor Many pages make a thick book, except for pocket Bibles which are on very very thin paper. On Jul 1, 3:57?pm, "Harry Harris" <har...@thehilltopcafe.notagoodaddy> wrote: > Somebody asked for proof that propane is dangerous and can explode your > RV. Naysaysers abound and that's for sure. I think it was that Dean [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > -- > Posted via a free Usenet account fromhttp://www.teranews.com Your source of information is flawed. According to the report you linked us to it doesn't say which is the #1. Is it refrigerators, or propane tanks? It appears to me that the propane tank leaks they speak of aren't leaks at all, but the pressure relief valve operating as it should. When tanks are painted a dark color and left out in the sun, they can build up excess pressure. This excess pressure is released via the relief valve into the atmosphere and away from any flame source. I would bet that most RVs have both a refrigerator and propane tank, but in different locations. So, it has to be one or the other, not both. My refrigerator is 15 feet from the propane tank and a foot or 2 higher (propane is heavier than air), it would be a rare instance that any spark from a refrigerator could ignite the propane coming from the relief valve which is located in the on/off valve body of the tank. However, a loose connection next to the refrigerator could. The BBQ grills that I have seen have rubber lines from the tank to the burner valving. The fires I have seen in these units are due to lack of cleaning and maintenance. Flaming grease from the food falls down on the rubber lines and burns through the line causing a pretty good fire, but not uncontrollable if handled quickly. Hank <~~~consumer product tester wannabe > Your source of information is flawed. According to the report you > linked us to it doesn't say which is the #1. Is it refrigerators, or > propane tanks? Read it again, Hank. It's pretty clear that propane refrigerators and the related propane systems for them, including the lines and tanks, are the number one cause of RV fire and explosion insurance claims. It doesn't get much clearer than that, Hank. I said propane is dangerous and those insurance claim stats prove it. But, deny it all you want. Your mind is obviously made up and you're not only willing to live with the dangers but you're also an industry shill for attempting to dispute the facts. Harry Harris SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com On Jul 2, 9:48?am, "Harry Harris" <har...@thehilltopcafe.notagoodaddy> wrote: > > Your source of information is flawed. According to the report you > > linked us to it doesn't say which is the #1. Is it refrigerators, or [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Harry Harris I read it again. It said "refrigerator fires and propane tanks". Not "refrigerator fires WITH propane tanks". Two different things. Besides, which is the leading cause of fires in MH's? Is it refrigerators or propane tanks, they both can't be number one. Or, is it loose fittings or electrical connects? Face it, the report is flawed and incomplete. That is not to say that refrigerators are NOT the number one cause, it just doesn't state why they think this. Hank <~~~puts little faith is incomplete reports > Your source of information is flawed. According to the report you > linked us to it doesn't say which is the #1. Is it refrigerators, or > propane tanks? Read it again, Hank. It's pretty clear that propane refrigerators and the related propane systems for them, including the lines and tanks, are the number one cause of RV fire and explosion insurance claims. It doesn't get much clearer than that, Hank. I said propane is dangerous and those insurance claim stats prove it. But, deny it all you want. Your mind is obviously made up and you're not only willing to live with the dangers but you're also an industry shill for attempting to dispute the facts. Harry Harris SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com >Your source of information is flawed. According to the report you >linked us to it doesn't say which is the #1. Is it refrigerators, or [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > >Hank <~~~consumer product tester wannabe Another point. The article claims 400 incidents (including both causes (alleged)) but doesn't give details on how many were actual and due to what specific cause. In any event, 400 alleged cases is hardly significant. Oh, no one has ever claimed propane is not potentially harmful. EVER. Everything is harmful. Water kills more people every year than propane. But it is insignificant compared to RVers dying after falling asleep at the wheel. Or any of thousands of other causes of RVer death. If you want to talk about dangers, how about idiots riding bikes on the streets and trying to compete for space with motor vehicles. >Somebody asked for proof that propane is dangerous and can explode your >RV. Naysaysers abound and that's for sure. I think it was that Dean >fellow, you know the one. He's the homophobic one. He wrote: "You insist >on this reiterating totally stupid comment. Would you PLEASE provide >ONE documented instance of this menace? End of discussion. Back under >your rock, troll!" Nice dodge, troll. Start a new thread instead of replying to my comment. Cute but transparent. >See, he knew he'd be proven wrong so he ran and hid under his rock. >Here's why he's wrong. Go to this site: [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >their tanks the teams' colors. Dark colors more readily absorb the sun's >rays and can cause the tank to overheat and explode." Yes, some idiots alter their rigs and CAUSE the problem by making dangerous alterations. Invalid analysis. Or failing to check fittings for leaks which is a normal preventive measure is asking for the problem. Another invalid analysis. I was a Quality Assurance Engineer (ASQC) and did failure analysis. I never blamed a design for blowing a component when the component was under valued. E.G., a 1/2 watt resistor in a 1 watt dissipation circuit. Or, failing to lube wheel bearings and when the wheel seizes, saying that wheels are unsafew. Invalid analysis. Often used by people who are too stupid to follow the facts. Will you start another thread to make some smarmy comment about me or can you follow a current thread? And you are still a troll. >This is serious business. Propane is very dangerous and the insurance >industry certainly knows what it's talking about.. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >Harry Harris You are a f.cking busybody. |
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