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Brand new Onan 4,000 w. Microquiet Gen. fails after literally 2 hrs .
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Dave in Lake Villa - 06 Jul 2007 01:39 GMT I ran the Generator for a total of 2 hours powering the BriskAir 13.5 k. btu roof a/c unit , then it all of a sudden cuts out. I go to open the access door outside to the Gen, and its real hot. Oil is at full level. I go to restart it and it doesnt crank, then starts to smoke . Im going to have a Cummins Service Center look at it, but, could the Stator have burned up after just 2 hours of runtime on it ? Doesnt seem feasible.
Eregon - 06 Jul 2007 04:43 GMT DaveInLakeVilla@webtv.net (Dave in Lake Villa) wrote in news:14171- 468D8F53-349@storefull-3236.bay.webtv.net:
> I ran the Generator for a total of 2 hours powering the BriskAir 13.5 k. > btu roof a/c unit , then it all of a sudden cuts out. I go to open the [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > have burned up after just 2 hours of runtime on it ? Doesnt seem > feasible. Cute troll, TROLL!
By running the genset in an enclosed area, you may have cooked it. <G>
User abuse isn't covered by the warranty. <EG>
Dave in Lake Villa - 06 Jul 2007 17:24 GMT 'By running the genset in an enclosed area, you may have cooked it. <G>'
REPLY: Can u please show me where i even said i 'ran it in an enclosed area' ? I ran it on my RV which was parked in my front yard and the closest object was a tree located some 20' away.
Tri-Pacer - 06 Jul 2007 18:36 GMT > 'By running the genset in an enclosed area, you may have cooked it. <G>' > > REPLY: Can u please show me where i even said i 'ran it in an enclosed > area' ? He even announced that he was a troll---called himself "cute"
RAM³ - 07 Jul 2007 04:58 GMT DaveInLakeVilla@webtv.net (Dave in Lake Villa) wrote in news:10591- 468E6CA3-713@storefull-3232.bay.webtv.net:
> 'By running the genset in an enclosed area, you may have cooked it. <G>' > > REPLY: Can u please show me where i even said i 'ran it in an enclosed > area' ? > I ran it on my RV which was parked in my front yard and the closest > object was a tree located some 20' away. You said "I ran the Generator for a total of 2 hours powering the BriskAir 13.5 k. btu roof a/c unit , then it all of a sudden cuts out. I go to open the access door outside to the Gen, and its real hot."
By definition, your genset is in an enclosed area - otherwise there would not be any need for an "access door outside to the Gen".
Like I said, TROLL, yours was a cute one.
Now go back to watching the Simpsons: after all, you're almost as bright as Homer... <EG>
Dave in Lake Villa - 07 Jul 2007 16:34 GMT 'By definition, your genset is in an enclosed area - otherwise there would not be any need for an "access door outside to the Gen".'
REPLY: I suppose its in an enclosed area from the standpoint that its tucked away, but, so are multitudes of Generators on RV's. They dont burn up because they are behind an access door. Thats silly.
'Like I said, TROLL, yours was a cute one. '
REPLY: Im not 'a Troll' ; I frequent this RV NG because its on my menu of NG's for which i pay monthly for, plus, I am an RV owner of a Class C (now) and a Class B which im trying to sell. You should refrain from using the word 'Troll' so fluently and incorrectly.
'Now go back to watching the Simpsons: after all, you're almost as bright as Homer... <EG>'
REPLY: I dont watch the Simpsons or other sitcoms. Im afraid youve been very presumptuous of me. God bless .
JerryD(upstateNY) - 07 Jul 2007 17:38 GMT Dave in Lake Villa wrote:REPLY: I suppose its in an enclosed area from the standpoint that its tucked away, but, so are multitudes of Generators on RV's.<<<<
A regular generator is made to run while sitting on the ground with the wind blowing on it. If the generator is not MADE to run behind an access door, it will burn up when run. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
They dont burn up because they are behind an access door. Thats silly.<<<<<<
You will find out how silly it is when you have to buy another generator because you burned up this one by running it behind an access door.
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Will Sill - 07 Jul 2007 18:27 GMT I see where "JerryD\(upstateNY\)" <jerryd@wherever.com> contributed:
>You will find out how silly it is when you have to buy another generator >because you burned up this one by running it behind an access door. Ummm . .. "s'cuse me, but as dumb as Dave is, I saw no indication he was running a portable in an enclosure. I _think_ the model he is complaining about is an rv genset designed specically to run in a (ventilated) compartment. See http://www.pplmotorhomes.com/parts/onan-generators/onan-generator-microquiet.htm
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JerryD(upstateNY) - 07 Jul 2007 22:33 GMT Will Sill wrote:Ummm . .. "s'cuse me, but as dumb as Dave is, I saw no indication he
> was running a portable in an enclosure. I _think_ the model he is > complaining about is an rv genset designed specically to run in a > (ventilated) compartment. See > http://www.pplmotorhomes.com/parts/onan-generators/onan-generator-microquiet.htm Sorry . I didn't bother to look up what generator he had, (my first mistake) before I answered his post. (my second mistake) -- JerryD(upstateNY)
Frank Tabor - 07 Jul 2007 20:11 GMT On Sat, 07 Jul 2007 12:38:17 -0400, JerryD\(upstateNY\) wrote:
> Dave in Lake Villa wrote:REPLY: I suppose its in an enclosed area from > the standpoint that its [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > If the generator is not MADE to run behind an access door, it will burn > up when run. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> They dont burn up because they are behind an access door. Thats > silly.<<<<<< > > You will find out how silly it is when you have to buy another generator > because you burned up this one by running it behind an access door. Not withstanding the moron you are posting to, motorhomes with installed generators are designed to run with the doors shut. It's kind of hard to drive down the road with an access door flapping in the breeze.
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Dave in Lake Villa - 08 Jul 2007 03:31 GMT 'You will find out how silly it is when you have to buy another generator because you burned up this one by running it behind an access door.
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REPLY: Its an Onan 4.0 MicroQuiet thats in my Class C, and, you dont take the thing out . Its made to be run exactly where it is. Dont be silly Jerry .
Alan Robinson - 08 Jul 2007 03:36 GMT Dave,
Since this is a new generator, DON'T try to do anything to it yourself. You've already checked that the oil is full - anything else is a warranty issue. Since the Onan warranty covers -everything- except normal maintenance items for the first two years, let -them- figure out and fix or replace whatever failed.
Alan
Dean - 07 Jul 2007 20:51 GMT >DaveInLakeVilla@webtv.net (Dave in Lake Villa) wrote in news:10591- >468E6CA3-713@storefull-3232.bay.webtv.net: [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] >Now go back to watching the Simpsons: after all, you're almost as bright as >Homer... <EG> You are nutz. The generator (5.5KW Onan) in my 35' RV is designed to be behind an access door. Works fine and doesn't heat. It has about 420 Hours on it.
Ken - 07 Jul 2007 20:58 GMT On Jul 6, 8:58 pm, "RAM?" <s31924.nos...@netscape.net> wrote:
> Now go back to watching the Simpsons: after all, you're almost as bright as > Homer... <EG> PLEASE, don't insult Homer's mental capacity by insinuating that Dimwit Dave even comes close to Homer's IQ
Hustlin' Hank - 08 Jul 2007 00:15 GMT On Jul 5, 7:39?pm, DaveInLakeVi...@webtv.net (Dave in Lake Villa) wrote:
> I ran the Generator for a total of 2 hours powering the BriskAir 13.5 k. > btu roof a/c unit , then it all of a sudden cuts out. I go to open the [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > have burned up after just 2 hours of runtime on it ? Doesnt seem > feasible. In an effort to try to help: If "doesn't crank" you mean the Generator doesn't turn over and starts to smoke, then something appears to be locked up and the smoke is probably coming from the starter motor. If by "doesn't crank", you mean it turns over but won't start, then disregard the above and give us more info.
Hank <~~~thinks Dave needs more than mechanical help
Dave in Lake Villa - 08 Jul 2007 03:36 GMT 'If "doesn't crank" you mean the Generator doesn't turn over and starts to smoke, then something appears to be locked up and the smoke is probably coming from the starter motor. If by "doesn't crank", you mean it turns over but won't start, then disregard the above and give us more info.'
REPLY: You hear a click , then it starts to smoke. It does not turn over. It appears to be locked up. It doesnt crank.
'Hank <~~~thinks Dave needs more than mechanical help'
REPLY: Are you being beligerant again ? Youre supposed to be a comrade to a fellow RVer Hank.
Hustlin' Hank - 08 Jul 2007 11:25 GMT On Jul 7, 9:36?pm, DaveInLakeVi...@webtv.net (Dave in Lake Villa) wrote:
> 'If "doesn't crank" you mean the Generator doesn't turn over and starts > to smoke, then something appears to be locked up and the smoke is [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > REPLY: You hear a click , then it starts to smoke. It does not turn > over. It appears to be locked up. It doesnt crank. Is this brand new and under warranty? If so, do what the other poster said and take it in. If not, it could just a starter at best. Or many other things that could get expensive. I doubt it is the stator. The stator won't keep it from turning over unless it completely fell apart.
> 'Hank <~~~thinks Dave needs more than mechanical help' > > REPLY: Are you being beligerant again ? Youre supposed to be a comrade > to a fellow RVer Hank. Yes I am! You have to admit, some of the things you say are questionable.
Hank <~~~not good at using tact
Dave in Lake Villa - 08 Jul 2007 12:08 GMT 'Is this brand new and under warranty? If so, do what the other poster said and take it in. If not, it could just a starter at best. Or many other things that could get expensive. I doubt it is the stator. The stator won't keep it from turning over unless it completely fell apart.'
REPLY: Sadly, its NOT under warranty as im the second owner of the RV even though its a 2008. Onan doesnt transfer the warranty to someone other than the original owner im told by Camping World. Yes, i will take it in to be properly diagnosed, but, i suspect its something more than just the Starter Motor as it was running for awhile then just stopped all together. Now it doesnt crank. If its a Stator, one Generator Repair facility told me its best to just replace the entire generator. I hope that will not be necessary but ill find out this coming week when i take it in.
'Are you being beligerant again ? Youre supposed to be a comrade to a fellow RVer Hank. ' Yes I am! You have to admit, some of the things you say are questionable.
REPLY: Regardless of what you subjectively think is questionable in a person, is there any need to use beligerance ?
'Hank <~~~not good at using tact '
REPLY: If this is an apology, then I extend my forgiveness.
Janet Wilder - 08 Jul 2007 16:57 GMT > REPLY: Sadly, its NOT under warranty as im the second owner of the RV > even though its a 2008. Onan doesnt transfer the warranty to someone > other than the original owner im told by Camping World. If you are the second owner, the generator isn't "brand new".
Janet, scratching her head wondering how a 2008 model RV can already be on its "second owner"
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Frank Tabor - 08 Jul 2007 17:39 GMT >> REPLY: Sadly, its NOT under warranty as im the second owner of the RV >> even though its a 2008. Onan doesnt transfer the warranty to someone [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Janet, scratching her head wondering how a 2008 model RV can already be > on its "second owner" He's a troll, Janet. He doesn't even own an RV.
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Dave in Lake Villa - 08 Jul 2007 17:51 GMT 'He's a troll, Janet. He doesn't even own an RV.
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REPLY: Frank, youre right ! I own Two at present. Email me for pics of the Class B im trying to sell. Im willing to pay a healthy commision if you secure a Buyer for me.
Dave in Lake Villa - 08 Jul 2007 17:49 GMT 'If you are the second owner, the generator isn't "brand new".
REPLY: Well then...its 'new' , as in approx. 3 hours of runtime between myself and the original owner.
'Janet, scratching her head wondering how a 2008 model RV can already be on its "second owner"'
REPLY: The original owner had it 3 months and used it 3 times. He confided in me that his marriage is now ending, and he bought the RV in hopes of saving his marriage (somehow). He is also selling his other Toys including a nice 1987 Corvette Convertible. I got his 2008 Class C. RV at $8,000 less than what he paid for it which was $14,000 less than the MSRP of it. ANd it only has 2200 miles on it. So, if i end up having to replace the Generator (because Onan doesnt have confidence enough in their products to transfer the warranty to the second owner for the remainder of One year), then, im still ahead of the game.
Janet Wilder - 08 Jul 2007 21:17 GMT > 'Janet, scratching her head wondering how a 2008 model RV can already be > on its "second owner"' > > REPLY: The original owner had it 3 months and used it 3 times. He > confided in me that his marriage is now ending, and he bought the RV in > hopes of saving his marriage (somehow). Must be a troll. 2008 models weren't even out 3 months ago.
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Dave in Lake Villa - 08 Jul 2007 23:41 GMT 'Must be a troll. 2008 models weren't even out 3 months ago.
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REPLY: Oh yee of little faith ! The original owner purchased it from Crystal Valley RV in Wauconda, Illinois on 4-13-07 . Coachmen Invoice ref. number 883274 . So, the 2008 model WERE out 3 months ago, and I have one.
RAM³ - 09 Jul 2007 04:55 GMT Janet Wilder <kelliepoodle@yahoo.com> wrote in news:00dc8c4a$0$28073 $c3e8da3@news.astraweb.com:
> Must be a troll. 2008 models weren't even out 3 months ago. "Dave in Lake Villa" has been perpetually TROLLing in quite a number of NGs, Janet.
He's no better than the TROLL with the Telescopic Name and a Microscopic Brain.
Hugh - 08 Jul 2007 17:48 GMT snipped
> REPLY: Sadly, its NOT under warranty as im the second owner of the RV > even though its a 2008. Onan doesnt transfer the warranty to someone > other than the original owner im told by Camping World. Yes, i will take snipped
I don't know where you're coming from with this. Direct from Cummins Onan website comes this; <http://www.cumminsonan.com/rv/support/warranty/>
"We are so confident in our Cummins Onan RV generators, we back them with a 3-year limited warranty. The longest, most comprehensive warranty in the business. And it's transferable from one owner to another if you decide to sell your RV during the generator warranty period."
So what is it, are you just blowing smoke or are you fabricating stuff to post. Smudging a reputable company with false tales may prompt action from the company. Hugh
Frank Tabor - 08 Jul 2007 18:14 GMT > snipped >> REPLY: Sadly, its NOT under warranty as im the second owner of the RV [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > from the company. > Hugh Hugh, he's a frigging troll. He lives in a cardboard box molests children. He doesn't even own a RV.
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Hugh - 08 Jul 2007 18:59 GMT >>snipped >> [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > Hugh, he's a frigging troll. He lives in a cardboard box molests > children. He doesn't even own a RV. I know. I had him filtered to "as read" till he started this thread and people tried to help him. This last puts him in the crapper as far as I'm concerned. It's pretty obvious he's fulluvit when he doesn't even check with Onan to check the warranty. He's spewing about a "one year warranty" when Onan warrantys them for three.
As long as real rv'rs answer his posts, we need to blow him outa the water. When he gets filtered by all serious posters we can ignore him, till then we gotta WhackaTroll whenever we see one pop up <g>. Hugh
Dave in Lake Villa - 08 Jul 2007 23:31 GMT 'I don't know where you're coming from with this. Direct from Cummins Onan website comes this; <http://www.cumminsonan.com/rv/support/warranty/> "We are so confident in our Cummins Onan RV generators, we back them with a 3-year limited warranty. The longest, most comprehensive warranty in the business. And it's transferable from one owner to another if you decide to sell your RV during the generator warranty period." So what is it, are you just blowing smoke or are you fabricating stuff to post. Smudging a reputable company with false tales may prompt action from the company. Hugh '
REPLY: I just read Onan Form AB-2012-02 dated 2/2003 , which came with the submittal package from Coachmen , and it was not very clear . However , upon rereading it , it appears that it IS transferrable to me as the second owner for up to ONE year...and THREE years to the original retail purchaser. Ergo, I do apologize for my oversight. This is good news to me as i can get it fixed at no charge.
Alan Robinson - 09 Jul 2007 06:00 GMT > 'Is this brand new and under warranty? If so, do what the other poster > said and take it in. If not, it could just a starter at best. Or many [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > I hope that will not be necessary but ill find out this coming week when > i take it in. Dave, You have apparently been given bad information by Camping World. The generator IS under warranty.
A brief summary of Onan's warranty policy for RV gensets is:
1. For the first two years or 2,000 hours, everything is covered except normal maintenance items as long as the failure is not due to abuse or neglect.
2. For the third year or 3,000 hours, although not everything is covered, most major components are still covered.
3. Basic warranty coverage begins on date of original sale to end user, and continues for the stated period REGARDLESS of how many owners rv/genset may have during that period.
4. Extended warranty coverage can be purchased - at additional cost - to extend warranty coverage to 5 years/5,000 hours. This extended warranty coverage does not need to be purchased on original sale, but MUST be purchased - if desired - within the first year genset is in service.
So - it makes no difference to Onan whether you're the second owner - or the 20th owner - as long as the genset itself is within the warranty period. And, if you purchased an extended warranty on it, THAT coverage would stay with the genset even if you sold the rv a year or two from now.
I would suggest taking the rv to a Cummins/Onan facility rather than Camping World, given the level of expertise they've shown thus far....
Alan
Dave in Lake Villa - 09 Jul 2007 12:24 GMT 'Dave, You have apparently been given bad information by Camping World. The generator IS under warranty. A brief summary of Onan's warranty policy for RV gensets is: 1. For the first two years or 2,000 hours, everything is covered except normal maintenance items as long as the failure is not due to abuse or neglect. 2. For the third year or 3,000 hours, although not everything is covered, most major components are still covered. 3. Basic warranty coverage begins on date of original sale to end user, and continues for the stated period REGARDLESS of how many owners rv/genset may have during that period. 4. Extended warranty coverage can be purchased - at additional cost - to extend warranty coverage to 5 years/5,000 hours. This extended warranty coverage does not need to be purchased on original sale, but MUST be purchased - if desired - within the first year genset is in service. So - it makes no difference to Onan whether you're the second owner - or the 20th owner - as long as the genset itself is within the warranty period. And, if you purchased an extended warranty on it, THAT coverage would stay with the genset even if you sold the rv a year or two from now. I would suggest taking the rv to a Cummins/Onan facility rather than Camping World, given the level of expertise they've shown thus far.... Alan'
REPLY: ALan, Thank you very much. Im going to run off a copy of your reply here and give it to the Service Advisor at my local Camping World. ANd ive located a Cummins/Onan facility about an hour away. Regards.
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