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There is a station up the street from me selling RUL at $2.59.9 this morning. YEAH!! Heading in the right direction for a change. Tom J I see where "Tom J" <tomnews@earthlink.net> contributed: >There is a station up the street from me selling RUL at $2.59.9 this >morning. YEAH!! Heading in the right direction for a change. Rejoice while you can - - until the democrats succeed in slapping more taxes on oil companies, guaranteeing further price hikes. Will Sill The Curmudgeon of Sill Hill > I see where "Tom J" <tomnews@earthlink.net> contributed: > >There is a station up the street from me selling RUL at $2.59.9 this > >morning. YEAH!! Heading in the right direction for a change. > > Rejoice while you can - - until the democrats succeed in slapping more > taxes on oil companies, guaranteeing further price hikes. Uh, what have oil company profits been since our current president has been in office? And just how far up your a.s is your head? I see where some anonymous twit calling itself <nospam@sbcglobal.invalid.net> contributed: >Uh, what have oil company profits been since our current >president has been in office? > >And just how far up your a.s is your head? I expected that, but liked what Jerry D wrote: "The stupid Democrats ....STILL.... haven't figured out that if they raise taxes for "Big Oil", it's the CONSUMER who pays for the tax increase, not the oil companies." Will Sill The Curmudgeon of Sill Hill > I see where some anonymous twit calling itself > <nospam@sbcglobal.invalid.net> contributed: [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > raise taxes for "Big Oil", it's the CONSUMER who pays for the tax > increase, not the oil companies." Until Congress starts talking about windfall profits taxes, then (as always) gas prices immediately plummet. As far as "energy policy" goes, the last six years have been the largest fleecing of the American people in U.S. history. Cheney and Bush and their corporate interests are laughing all the way to the bank. nospam@sbcglobal.invalid.net wrote: Until Congress starts talking about windfall profits taxes, then (as always) gas prices immediately plummet.<<<<< Another idiot remark. "Big oil" can only drop the price of gas about 10¢ a gallon because they only make 10¢ a gallon. If the price of gas goes down 25¢- 50¢, "big oil" has nothing to do with it. WORLD MARKET PRICES set the price of oil, not "big oil" as you stupidly suggest. As far as "energy policy" goes, the last six years have been the largest fleecing of the American people in U.S. history. Cheney and Bush and their corporate interests are laughing all the way to the bank.<<<<<<<<< Again..........WORLD MARKET PRICES, not Bush Cheney. It's amazing !!! We live in "the communication age", you can research any subject you want without even leaving your computer and you don't know sh.t.  SignatureJerryD(upstateNY) > nospam@sbcglobal.invalid.net wrote: Until Congress starts talking about > windfall profits taxes, then [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > "Big oil" can only drop the price of gas about 10¢ a gallon because they > only make 10¢ a gallon. Maybe on your planet. Here on Earth oil companies have recorded the biggest profits in human history since the election of George W. Bush and Richard Cheney, and their oil whore administration. Virtually all of them were oil company execs, and Cheney STILL receives $170,000 from Halliburton every year in "deferred" income. Wake the f.ck up. Oil prices aren't set by global markets, they're dictated by the OPEC cartel and Bush's other buddies. Do you want to know why the price of gas tripled after the election of Bush? Look at this photo: http://www.csmonitor.com/2005/0426/dailyUpdate.html nospam@sbcglobal.invalid.net wrote: Do you want to know why the price of gas tripled after the election of Bush? Yea, you're right....Bush did it. I'd like to know how the dumbest president we ever had minipulates the WORLD market. He must tell Russia to bid $70.00 per barrel of oil to raise the price, huh ? You don't have the faintest idea of what you are talking about. SignatureJerryD(upstateNY) > nospam@sbcglobal.invalid.net wrote: Do you want to know why the price of gas > tripled after the [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > ? > You don't have the faintest idea of what you are talking about. Why do you say that President Cheney/Rove is dumb? Jim W Deming >Why do you say that President Cheney/Rove is dumb? >Jim W >Deming The MSM has been telling us President Bush is the dumbest person on earth for 6 years+. And we MUST believe the MSM. > nospam@sbcglobal.invalid.net wrote: Do you want to know why the price > of gas tripled after the [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > I'd like to know how the dumbest president we ever had minipulates > the WORLD market. Damn. I wish they would make up their mind and either decide that he is the dumbest or the smartest. Mark Jones wrote: Damn. I wish they would make up their mind and either decide that he is the dumbest or the smartest. The Democrats say he is the dumbest president we've ever had and in the same sentence they say he caused the price of oil to go up, which would take a genius to do. Same with Reagan. The Democrats said he was old, senile, never awake, etc but he snookered the Democrat House AND the Senate into passing budgets they didn't want to pass..........you know......the Reagan deficits the Democrats STILL talk about. SignatureJerryD(upstateNY) >> nospam@sbcglobal.invalid.net wrote: Until Congress starts talking about >> windfall profits taxes, then [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > Wake the f.ck up. Oil prices aren't set by global markets, > they're dictated by the OPEC cartel and Bush's other buddies. So, explain to us why gas prices keep going down, while OPEC prices keep going up! (Look no further than Wall Street where the traders found out refineries are all up and running, increasing supply - which, if you don't know, lowers prices) And, Big Oil "profits" on a gallon are more like 4 cents. The distributors and retailers maybe 10 cents. Marv SignatureThis mail checked and found to be free of any virus. Mozilla Thunderbird mail & Firefox browser GO ASTROS!!!!! > >> nospam@sbcglobal.invalid.net wrote: Until Congress starts talking about > >> windfall profits taxes, then [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > And, Big Oil "profits" on a gallon are more like 4 cents. The > distributors and retailers maybe 10 cents. Big Oil has raked in over $100 billion in pure, unadulterated PROFIT since Bush and Cheney took office. You can throw other numbers around about profit-per-gallon etc, but it doesn't change this fact. Profits previously unheard of in corporate America, we've been royally fleeced by the oil whores in the White House. Need proof? Research Dick Cheney's "energy policy". >>>> nospam@sbcglobal.invalid.net wrote: Until Congress starts talking >>>> about windfall profits taxes, then [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > > Need proof? Research Dick Cheney's "energy policy". Gads, are you just friggen STUPID, or do you have an excuse like you are friggen brain dead?????? From http://auto.howstuffworks.com/question417.htm How much gasoline does the United States consume in one year? There are a couple of different ways to discover the answer to this question, but here is one way to estimate it. If you look at a page like this one, it shows that the United States consumes about 20 million barrels of oil each day. If you look at the statistics on a page like this one, you find that a barrel of oil (which contains 42 gallons or 159 liters) will yield something like 19 or 20 gallons (75 liters) of gasoline, depending on the refinery. Therefore, in the United States, something like 400 million gallons (1.51 billion liters) of gasoline gets consumed every day. or about 8,000,000,000 (8 trillion) gallons of gasoline a year, and at 9 cents per gallon profit, that's $720,000,000 ($720 Billion per year profit for the oil companies, just in the US, and just for gas) So you think that because the oil companies profits are less than a dime a gallon, we are being ripped off??!?!?! How bout we are so stupid, and use/waste so much gas, that it creates and huge amount at about a dime a gallon? Wanna get real annoyed? The fed taxes gas at 18.5 cents a gallon, that's $1,440,000,000,000 (1.44 TRILLION) in federal TAXES a year, and state is anywhere between 12 cents a gallon (the lowest) to 32.4 cents a gallon (the highest, average makes it about another 2 TRILLION in state taxes).... 720 billion for the oil companies, versus 3.4 TRILLION for the Gummit.. Looks to me like the gummit is the bigest ripper offer in the whole deal... > >>>> nospam@sbcglobal.invalid.net wrote: Until Congress starts talking > >>>> about windfall profits taxes, then [quoted text clipped - 62 lines] > billion for the oil companies, versus 3.4 TRILLION for the Gummit.. Looks to > me like the gummit is the bigest ripper offer in the whole deal... None of that changes the fact. Since 2001 Big Oil has been making profits previously unheard of in human history, on the backs of American families, 55% of whom are now living from paycheck to paycheck. Simply obscene. I see where an anonmous twit <nospam@sbcglobal.invalid.net> whines: > . . . . . .Since 2001 Big Oil has been >making profits previously unheard of in human history, on the >backs of American families, 55% of whom are now living >from paycheck to paycheck. > >Simply obscene. What is really obscene is that a few morons actually believe there is something wrong with making a profit on the HUGE volume of traffic in the oil business. Several have posted factual information pointing out that the profit MARGIN is really very small, and that the only reason the total profit has increased is because of increased VOLUME. But not to worry - your fellow morons in Congress seem intent on RAISING your costs by enacting more taxes and getting really stupid people to believe that Big Oil pays the tax! Will Sill - think about this: Stupid ideas remain stupid, even when millions of stupid people are persuaded to accept them. > I see where an anonmous twit <nospam@sbcglobal.invalid.net> whines: > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > out that the profit MARGIN is really very small, and that the only > reason the total profit has increased is because of increased VOLUME. Sorry asswipe, volumes didn't TRIPLE overnight. Wake the f.ck up. >> I see where an anonmous twit <nospam@sbcglobal.invalid.net> whines: >> [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Wake the f.ck up. Sounds like you are the idiot asswipe..... no volumes increased overnight, but you used to have 10+ companies, each making 1/2 what they make now, and drop it to 5 companies, do they sell less since there are less companies? or the same volume but 1/2 the companies own the distributors? >>>>>> nospam@sbcglobal.invalid.net wrote: Until Congress starts talking >>>>>> about windfall profits taxes, then [quoted text clipped - 71 lines] > > Simply obscene. Fraid I don't understand what you are smoking.... 10 cents a gallon... However, when they sell several TRILLION gallons, it ads up.. You pay for electricity don't you? About 12 cents a kilowatt, but if an electric company sells LOTS of kilowatts, the 12 cents per KW adds up... Are you suggesting that oil companies shouldn't sell more than a few gallons? >> None of that changes the fact. Since 2001 Big Oil has been >> making profits previously unheard of in human history, on the [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > company sells LOTS of kilowatts, the 12 cents per KW adds up... Are you > suggesting that oil companies shouldn't sell more than a few gallons? No, what he is suggesting is that oil companies should not make any profits. He is a socialist. He wants the government to run everything with no profit to any individual or company. Even a penny a gallon profit would be too much in his twisted mind. Bruce > >> None of that changes the fact. Since 2001 Big Oil has been > >> making profits previously unheard of in human history, on the [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > to any individual or company. Even a penny a gallon profit would be too > much in his twisted mind. America, land of the pussy whipped corporate whores. >America, land of the pussy whipped corporate whores. Would you care to describe how you are planning for your retirement? >>America, land of the pussy whipped corporate whores. > > Would you care to describe how you are planning for your retirement? He's planning to live it up on Social Security. Bruce Would you care to describe how you are planning for your retirement? He's planning to live it up on Social Security.<<<< Let's see........... A subsidized studio apartment. Rabbit ears for you black and white TV. Walking or taking a bus to get to grocery store to spend your food stamps. Going to VOA or Salvation Army for all your clothes. Yes, I think he could live on SS. SignatureJerryD(upstateNY) >>> None of that changes the fact. Since 2001 Big Oil has been >>> making profits previously unheard of in human history, on the [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > Bruce May be even worse, From another message, he doesn't want governments to make any money either... I'd say that's communism rather than socialism.... > Big Oil has raked in over $100 billion in pure, unadulterated > PROFIT since Bush and Cheney took office. You can throw > other numbers around about profit-per-gallon etc, but it doesn't > change this fact. Profits previously unheard of in corporate > America, we've been royally fleeced by the oil whores in the > White House. See, folks? This guy is a product of public miseducation, and living proof that we shouldn't allow government to do ANYTHING that can be avoided. Lon >Big Oil has raked in over $100 billion in pure, unadulterated >PROFIT since Bush and Cheney took office. You can throw >other numbers around about profit-per-gallon etc, but it doesn't >change this fact. Profits previously unheard of in corporate >America, we've been royally fleeced by the oil whores in the >White House. And that $100 billion in pure, unadulterated PROFIT since Bush and Cheney took office works out to just how much per SHAREHOLDER SHARE? Compare to Hillary's cattle futures profit, HMMMMMMMM? turd > And that $100 billion in pure, unadulterated > PROFIT since Bush and Cheney took office works out to just how much > per SHAREHOLDER SHARE? Compare to Hillary's cattle futures profit, > HMMMMMMMM? What does Bush and Cheney have to do with oil company profits? I've heard the left whine about a conspiracy but they never explain exactly who did what. > nospam@sbcglobal.invalid.net wrote: Until Congress starts talking about > windfall profits taxes, then [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > We live in "the communication age", you can research any subject you want > without even leaving your computer and you don't know sh.t. Jerry, You are giving facts to someone so damn stupid that he isn't capable of telling the difference between fact and fiction. Lon Lon VanOstran wrote: Jerry, You are giving facts to someone so damn stupid that he isn't capable of telling the difference between fact and fiction. I realized that after I posted that last post to him. I blocked him so I don't have to see his idiot posts. It's amazing how people can get such strong feelings about something that isn't true and can be proven so, so easily. SignatureJerryD(upstateNY) >As far as "energy policy" goes, the last six years have been the >largest fleecing of the American people in U.S. history. Cheney >and Bush and their corporate interests are laughing all the way >to the bank. Drinking the DU koolaide? Do some research and thinking. Awww sh.t, that is way too much to ask from a dim idjut! > As far as "energy policy" goes, the last six years have been the > largest fleecing of the American people in U.S. history. Cheney > and Bush and their corporate interests are laughing all the way > to the bank. Ya, those bad corporations that employ much of the US population. The Democrats should really slam them so they'll be forced out of business or move overseas...oh wait, they already have. nospam@sbcglobal.invalid.net wrote: Uh, what have oil company profits been since our current president has been in office?<<<<<<<<< Their profits are up because Bush LOWERED the taxes and people have more money to buy gasoline. And just how far up your a.s is your head?<<<<<<<<<< You don't understand the that the consumer pays all corporate taxes and you think someone ELSE has his head up his a.s. SignatureJerryD(upstateNY) > ...You don't understand the that the consumer pays all corporate > taxes... That's not entirely true. Taxes are added on to the prices consumers pay, but an increase in total price (including taxes) decreases the number of consumers willing or able to buy the product. Businesses know that, so they decrease their pre-tax prices to what they think is the optimum to mitigate the reduction in sales. Despite that, businesses do have some decreases in net revenues despite passing on to the consumer every penny of the tax increase itself. That reduction in net revenue is why businesses object to tax increases. Why else would they care? Concern for the benefit of the consumer? I don't think so. SignatureChris Cowles Gainesville, FL >>I see where "Tom J" <tomnews@earthlink.net> contributed: >> [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > And just how far up your a.s is your head? Check his breath <g>. Hugh >> I see where "Tom J" <tomnews@earthlink.net> contributed: >> >There is a station up the street from me selling RUL at $2.59.9 this [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > >And just how far up your a.s is your head? And what is their ROI? And just how far up your a.s is your head? And compare to the Feds cut . If the oil company makes $0.07/gal and the gov't makes $0.50+/ gal, just who is making the bux???? The govt hasn't invested one friggin cent in the process. Their ROI is INFINITE! > >> I see where "Tom J" <tomnews@earthlink.net> contributed: > >> >There is a station up the street from me selling RUL at $2.59.9 this [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > The govt hasn't invested one friggin cent in the process. Their ROI > is INFINITE! The oil industry should be re-regulated (or better yet, nationalized) and this obscene price gouging, which causes Americans to die of heatstroke during the summer and freeze to death in the winter, would be put to an end once and for all. We'd also finally get an actual energy policy which weans us away from fossil fuel, instead of the empty lip service we've been getting from politicians and the oil industry for 40+ years. > The oil industry should be re-regulated (or better yet, nationalized) > and this obscene price gouging, which causes Americans to die of [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > of the empty lip service we've been getting from politicians and > the oil industry for 40+ years. LOL, GOOD ONE! This is one of the things I love about this group, you can get a good laugh here just about everyday. I guess you've never seen how our government operates up close and personal. I have. In a perfect world--in a galaxy far, far away--the best you could hope for is that you would save 10 cents a gallon if you eliminated the oil companies from the equation. On this planet prices would go way up and shortages would become common if our government was running the oil biz'. They just aren't very efficient. I could spend days telling you stories about the way our government operates--from things I personally saw and heard--but, they're so outrageous that you would never believe me. What in the world makes you think they would be any more likely to come up with a sane energy policy than they are now if they were running the oil biz' completely escapes me. TB On Aug 5, 6:15?pm, <nos...@sbcglobal.invalid.net> wrote: > The oil industry should be re-regulated (or better yet, nationalized) > and this obscene price gouging, which causes Americans to die of [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > of the empty lip service we've been getting from politicians and > the oil industry for 40+ years ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Nationalized? You have got to be kidding. The gummint running things like a Refinery? Have you ever been to a refinery or been envolved in anything that has to do with how they work and how and what it takes to keep them running? What a joke! One shutdown and watching how the government would handle getting it back on line would change your opinion as you had no gas for your tanks. I have been involved on the construction materials supply side of that. I know how an Oil Company handles getting things working again and I also know how the gummint does it. The gummint takes it's sweet time and drags it out. The Oil Company calls me on the phone 24/7 and tells me to work 24/7 making the material and 24/7 to ship the material. A rough as a cob P.A. tells me he does not care what it costs to get the stuff there because they loose 100 times that cost every hour the thing is down. The gummint could give a sh.t as it walks down the hall to the water cooler or the coffee pot! The gummint doen't know sh.t about the oil "Bidness" an neither do you! Jan Eric Orme "Always drink upstream from the herd." You know three things when you offer a "cheer" for gas prices of $259.9 per gallon. 1---You have been economically brainwashed by the mindhive in Washington DC spearheaded by the head drone there. 2---Despite the fleeting joy of the small reduction, like a bone thrown to a hungry dog, you soon relaize that you still live in a country governed by the moron factor and that the Elephant Boys will most certainly find other ways to screw you deep into the ground. 3--That soon your "cheer" will segue into depression and the false hope of the minor reduction will intensify that depression to the point you will become mindlessly drunk in an alcoholic haze and scream so the whole neighborhood can hear, "Those fu**ing Republicans are flushing these United States straight down the toilet. They hate us all!" -WR > On Aug 5, 6:15?pm, <nos...@sbcglobal.invalid.net> wrote: > > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > they work and how and what it takes to keep them > running? Nationalized does not necessarily mean "run by the government". What it means is that resources are _owned_ by the government and could be (i.e. should be) run by private entities. The USPS is one example. There are thousands of others in the U.S. > Nationalized does not necessarily mean "run by the government". > What it means is that resources are _owned_ by the government > and could be (i.e. should be) run by private entities. The USPS > is one example. There are thousands of others in the U.S. How many, and what drugs does one have to take in order to cause a brain to malfunction this badly? Lon >> On Aug 5, 6:15?pm, <nos...@sbcglobal.invalid.net> wrote: >> > [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] >and could be (i.e. should be) run by private entities. The USPS >is one example. There are thousands of others in the U.S. When is the 3 cent stamp going to come back? SignatureAl Balmer Sun City, AZ I see where <nospam@sbcglobal.invalid.net> contributed: >The oil industry should be re-regulated (or better yet, nationalized) >and this obscene price gouging, which causes Americans to die of [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >of the empty lip service we've been getting from politicians and >the oil industry for 40+ years. This is either a shameless troll or proof of the abysmal ignorance of the anonymous author. Hard to tell which. Will Whiners whine. It's what they do. >There is a station up the street from me selling RUL at $2.59.9 this >morning. YEAH!! Heading in the right direction for a change. > >Tom J Do not hold your breath over false hopes of cheaper fuel long term. I look for $3 bucks a gallon to be consider a bargin by next spring. If we have a bad cold winter diesel could easily hit $4 bucks a gallon this winter. It would have last winter except for the fact tha as a whole is was a fairly mild winter nationally. ----------------- TheSnoMan.com SnoMan wrote in message Do not hold your breath over false hopes of cheaper fuel long term. I look for $3 bucks a gallon to be consider a bargin by next spring. If we have a bad cold winter diesel could easily hit $4 bucks a gallon this winter. It would have last winter except for the fact tha as a whole is was a fairly mild winter nationally. More doom and gloom from the left. If the price of gas and fuel oil go up, it will be caused more by the Democrats raising taxes on "big Oil" than any other reason. The stupid Democrats ....STILL.... haven't figured out that if they raise taxes for "Big Oil", it's the CONSUMER who pays for the tax increase, not the oil companies. And if there is any global warming, like the left is screaming about, it should help lower the price of oil. SignatureJerryD(upstateNY) Here we go again. for 6 years now someone has been saying "it'll be five bucks by the end of the summer".. BULLSHIT. never happen. steve >>There is a station up the street from me selling RUL at $2.59.9 this >>morning. YEAH!! Heading in the right direction for a change. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > ----------------- > TheSnoMan.com >Here we go again. for 6 years now someone has been saying "it'll be five >bucks by the end of the summer".. BULLSHIT. never happen. Just like oil is umlimited too huh? To put the problem on a scale that maybe you can comprehend, we use the equivlant of 150,000 semi tanker trucks of oil every day, day after day and it is growing. (parked end to end that would pretty much reach across the US daily) The supply for these trucks is not unlimited. The US has about 5% of world population and uses over 30% of oil used in the world. It will never get cheaper and it will only cost more as supplies get tighter. Remember that big AK refuge that current admin has trying to push for last 6 years as a cure? It has between of 4 to 6 month supply of oil realtive to our usage if you could use it all at once. (or about twice the capacity of the strategic reserve) At peak production it would provide a mere 1% of US oil needs today and that 1% can be had far easier through just a bit of conservation. We will not even get into the 700 million tons of carbon put into air each day from fossil fuels as I am sure that earths abilty to absorb it is unlimited just like the oil supply is in your mind. ----------------- TheSnoMan.com blah blah blah yada yada yada. Then when we get real desperate, we can break into OUR OWN oil reserves and fields. s >>Here we go again. for 6 years now someone has been saying "it'll be five >>bucks by the end of the summer".. BULLSHIT. never happen. [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > ----------------- > TheSnoMan.com Steve Barker wrote: blah blah blah yada yada yada. Then when we get real desperate, we can break into OUR OWN oil reserves and fields.<<<<< I doubt it. The stupid Democrats will vote against it. Right now, drilling in Alsaka and the Gulf of Mexico would make a whole lot more sense than throwing money at ethanol production. Using FOOD to make FUEL is STUPID !!!!! SignatureJerryD(upstateNY) On Sun, 5 Aug 2007 19:15:11 -0400, "JerryD\(upstateNY\)" <jerryd@wherever.com> wrote: >Using FOOD to make FUEL is STUPID !!!!! As is allowing democrats to make policy, and laws! > Steve Barker wrote: blah blah blah yada yada yada. Then when we get real > desperate, we can break into OUR OWN oil reserves and fields.<<<<< [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > lot more sense than throwing money at ethanol production. > Using FOOD to make FUEL is STUPID !!!!! We could import ethanol cheaper than we can make it. But the sugar lobby in the USA will not allow it. Calif Bill wrote: We could import ethanol cheaper than we can make it. But the sugar lobby in the USA will not allow it. There is no doubt this is all political. Why else would anyone want to use 1.3 gallons of fuel oil to make a gallon of ethanol ? SignatureJerryD(upstateNY) I just finished inventing a new carb that runs on ordinary bullshit and will get you 117 miles per gallon. If anyone's interested, I'll sell you one for only 87 east payments of $19.95 plus $428 shipping and handling. Since the NeoCons control all the money in the world, I'll need you to purchase it through The Lone One of Naco, Aridzona. He's got a booth right at the fence. He's the tall, dark one with the swarthy complexion and his back turned to Mejico. He'll cheerfully take your money and promise to mail the carb to you within the week. To activate the carb and to store up enough energy for a medium length trip in your Bushmobile, simply set the carb next to the radio whenever there's a speech by any Republican and watch the carb gulp down the "fuel" like there's no tomorrow (and there may not be if the Elephants keep stampeding the World). -WR > Calif Bill wrote: We could import ethanol cheaper than we can make it. But > the sugar lobby in the USA will not allow it. > > There is no doubt this is all political. > Why else would anyone want to use 1.3 gallons of fuel oil to make a gallon > of ethanol ? They do that in order that idiots like California Bill might believe they are trying to do something about the price of fuel. Lon > Calif Bill wrote: We could import ethanol cheaper than we can make > it. But the sugar lobby in the USA will not allow it. > > There is no doubt this is all political. > Why else would anyone want to use 1.3 gallons of fuel oil to make a > gallon of ethanol ? not sure if this is relevant ... a friend just got back from a trip west, and coming across Nebraska and Illinois, he reports that one 300 mile stretch was nothing but corn. Wonder if the price of bread will be going up ... didn't that used to be wheat country? Cliff in TN - remembering the price of donuts going from 50 cents a doz. to 2.00 a doz. when sugar from Cuba was embargoed ... SignatureIf it can't be easier, Lord, make me Stronger ... Our Web Side www.cj-and-m.com Come Visit >> Calif Bill wrote: We could import ethanol cheaper than we can make >> it. But the sugar lobby in the USA will not allow it. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Cliff in TN - remembering the price of donuts going from 50 cents a > doz. to 2.00 a doz. when sugar from Cuba was embargoed ... Wow, maybe you should sell em recipies for grits, since they won't have cream of wheat to eat anymore....? Hmmmm.. is the cost of breakfast gonna go up too? :) >not sure if this is relevant ... a friend just got back from a trip west, >and coming across Nebraska and Illinois, he reports that one 300 mile >stretch was nothing but corn. Wonder if the price of bread will be going up >... didn't that used to be wheat country? That area is corn/beans. But how did he get from Nebraska to Illinois without going through Iowa (The Tall Corn State)? > Here we go again. for 6 years now someone has been saying "it'll be five > bucks by the end of the summer".. BULLSHIT. never happen. > > steve One of them said it so often that he quit posting here 2 years ago when it didn't happen. Lon I see where Lon VanOstran <RVnFT@stopspamwmconnect.com> contributed: Steve Barker wrote: >> Here we go again. for 6 years now someone has been saying "it'll be five >> bucks by the end of the summer".. BULLSHIT. never happen. L: >One of them said it so often that he quit posting here 2 years ago when >it didn't happen. Never say never. If the Democrats get their way, $5 is not impossible. The way things are going it will happen sooner or later, if not this year. Will Sill The Curmudgeon of Sill Hill i certainly won't hold my breath. And even if it does, the result is the same. When the guage says "E" I fill up. and that includes car, truck, rv, and boat. steve >I see where Lon VanOstran <RVnFT@stopspamwmconnect.com> contributed: > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > Will Sill > The Curmudgeon of Sill Hill > There is a station up the street from me selling RUL at $2.59.9 this > morning. YEAH!! Heading in the right direction for a change. > > Tom J It is 2.549 this morning in St. Louis. Joe >> There is a station up the street from me selling RUL at $2.59.9 this >> morning. YEAH!! Heading in the right direction for a change. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Joe None of it seems to get to the Colorado Springs area where last night it was $2.96 in our neighborhood. Tex > >> There is a station up the street from me selling RUL at $2.59.9 this > >> morning. YEAH!! Heading in the right direction for a change. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Tex I wonder if it is because we have a refinery fairly close. Joe >>>> There is a station up the street from me selling RUL at $2.59.9 >>>> this morning. YEAH!! Heading in the right direction for a change. [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Joe Combination of both the refineries close, and the state and local taxes... Ever notice people never seem to say where they are at when they say there's cheaper gas nearby? Heck, oil co's only make about 9 cents a gallon, federal tax adds about 12 cents a gallon, but state and local taxes (depending on location) add between 20 cents and $1 a gallon! So who's making the bucks? On Aug 5, 1:55 pm, "Peter Pan" <PeterPanNOS...@AkamailNOSPAM.com> wrote: > >> "Joe" <joehoec...@cs.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > > - Show quoted text - That would only be $1.21/gallon. I think the oil company is making more that 9 cents/gallon. > On Aug 5, 1:55 pm, "Peter Pan" <PeterPanNOS...@AkamailNOSPAM.com> > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > That would only be $1.21/gallon. I think the oil company is making > more that 9 cents/gallon. Ummmm, your math is way wacko... Seems like you are forgetting the cost of the raw materials... A barrel of oil (42 gallons), ONLY produces about 20 gallons of gas (some is diesel/aircraft fuel etc is also made, but we are talking about gasoline only) after refining (between 19 and 20 gpb but 20 makes the math easier)... So if you just take the crude oil part (before refining), a barrel is about $72.40 (market price as of yesterday), divided by 42 gallons, we start with $1.72 a gallon of crude BEFORE refining! So how could it possibly be LESS than just the raw materials cost? From http://auto.howstuffworks.com/question417.htm How much gasoline does the United States consume in one year? There are a couple of different ways to discover the answer to this question, but here is one way to estimate it. If you look at a page like this one, it shows that the United States consumes about 20 million barrels of oil each day. If you look at the statistics on a page like this one, you find that a barrel of oil (which contains 42 gallons or 159 liters) will yield something like 19 or 20 gallons (75 liters) of gasoline, depending on the refinery. Therefore, in the United States, something like 400 million gallons (1.51 billion liters) of gasoline gets consumed every day. or about 8,000,000,000 (8 trillion) gallons of gasoline a year, and at 9 cents per gallon profit, that's $720,000,000 ($720 Billion per year profit for the oil companies, just in the US, and just for gas) As for taxes, again that depends on the location, but from http://www.gaspricewatch.com/usgastaxes.asp (shows taxes by state, federal is 18.4 cents per gallon, or just the federal gas tax is about DOUBLE what the oil companies make in profit.... (in case you are curious, wisconsin has the highest rate of the states, 32.1 cents in state taxes, and then there are local, and state sales taxes added. >> Combination of both the refineries close, and the state and local taxes... >> Ever notice people never seem to say where they are at when they say there's [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >That would only be $1.21/gallon. I think the oil company is making >more that 9 cents/gallon. You're leaving out a couple of things. Someone has to pay for the raw materials - the oil. Also, the retailer is doing pretty well - the last numbers I saw were 25-30 cents/gallon. A few years ago, it was closer to 10 cents. SignatureAl Balmer Sun City, AZ Peter Pan wrote: Combination of both the refineries close, and the state and local taxes... Ever notice people never seem to say where they are at when they say there's cheaper gas nearby? Heck, oil co's only make about 9 cents a gallon, federal tax adds about 12 cents a gallon, but state and local taxes (depending on location) add between 20 cents and $1 a gallon! So who's making the bucks? The federal tax is 18.4¢ per gallon. Here's what the states get......... http://www.energy.ca.gov/gasoline/statistics/gas_taxes_by_state_2002.html SignatureJerryD(upstateNY) >>> There is a station up the street from me selling RUL at $2.59.9 this >>> morning. YEAH!! Heading in the right direction for a change. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > >Tex Please note that the highest prices seem to be in BLUE STATES! You deserve it! $2.86 per gal. for RUL here in Chicagoland. Supposed to be one of the highest in the nation. Dave in Lake Villa wrote: $2.86 per gal. for RUL here in Chicagoland. Supposed to be one of the highest in the nation.<<<<<<<< We are paying $3.00 per gal in the Rochester area. SignatureJerryD(upstateNY) > Dave in Lake Villa wrote: $2.86 per gal. for RUL here in Chicagoland. > Supposed to be one of the highest in the nation.<<<<<<<< > > We are paying $3.00 per gal in the Rochester area. > JerryD(upstateNY) What's the price if Diesel? We expect to be in the Rochester area about Oct. 12th, give or take a day. Burt Burt wrote: What's the price if Diesel? We expect to be in the Rochester area about Oct.12th, give or take a day. I'll have to check. The last time I looked, it was a penny or 2 below RU gas. SignatureJerryD(upstateNY) Burt wrote: What's the price if Diesel? We expect to be in the Rochester area about Oct.12th, give or take a day. I stopped at one of the cheaper places to buy gas, today. RUL was $2.979 and Diesel was $2.999. SignatureJerryD(upstateNY) Tom J wrote: > There is a station up the street from me selling RUL at $2.59.9 this > morning. YEAH!! Heading in the right direction for a change. > > Tom J It's currently 2.58 and diesel is 2.69. I'm not dancing no jig to celebrate. That's still over a dollar higher than it was, at the expensive station, 5 years ago. Be sure to tell us how the poor old Exxons are just playing supply and demand, please, globalist george. |
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