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Car Forum / Driving, Maintenance, Tuning / RVs / October 2007Sex offenses
Sex offenses??? Sex offenses!!! Why are so many of you so focussed on "sex offenses?" Just what is a "sex offense?" Is sexual practice according to the Kama Sutra an offense? Is sex using birth control an offense because the Pope and the Catholic Church say so? Is sex practiced in a manner that some of you find repulsive "offensive" merely because you find it repulsive? Just who are you, to think you have the right to judge the sex practices of others? More importantly, WHY would you WANT to do so? What is it that is missing in YOUR psyche that brings you to be so concerned with the sex practices of OTHER people? If I were to care so deeply about such a topic, I would be moved to inquire of myself as to just what was my motivation. If I decided that the motivation came from the outside, whether it be from a book, a guru, family pressure, or anything else, I would be inclined to ask of myself why I allow myself to be so swayed by that external pressure. If true introspection led me to understand that these feelings were because of some deeply rooted problem in my subconscious, I would hope to be moved to look more deeply into myself to understand why I had followed that path. I would not assume, even at the ripe old age of 71, that I had all the answers. Indeed, the older I get the fewer answers I seem to know. Heavens! The very thought of uncertainty! I am terrified. Not. I am going to Europe tomorrow for an entire month. I won't be here to read the screed that will be posted in opposition to this point of view. Thank Vishnu for that. Or was that Shiva? Ken Harrison 'Just who are you, to think you have the right to judge the sex practices of others? More importantly, WHY would you WANT to do so?' REPLY: Those that are highly concerned are people who have seen how America has gone down the moral sewer by the Sexual Freedom lure , and/or, have loved ones who have fell into the trap ; we are people who are concerned about future generations of americans too. The way it used to work in America, is when you saw or heard someone doing something perverted or immoral, you would go to that person and confront the person why they were doing something that they knew was wrong and dangerous to themselves ; nowadays, that has been replaced by the twisted philosophy of Tolerance to any and all perversion especially in the public sexual arena. The highest form of morality and social ethics are explicitly outlined in that often hated book (by Immoralists) , The Bible . It says if you see someone who is going down the wrong path in life, to approach them and call it to their attention in hopes that they will turn from going the wrong way and come to their senses. It is not wrong to judge and discern anothers behaviour, actions, and motives ... for, it is in fact a responsibility to do so. Perhaps those that object to this should ask themselves why they wish to be complacent and apathetic to that which is wrong . The way sexual perversion works is like this : When it becomes a popular pastime, it then gradually becomes a sub-culture. Once it reaches this stage, many are enticed especially the gullible and younger people ... until it mushrooms into full blown degradation with many consequences including the literal killing of 4,000/day developing human beings in the 'safest place' possible, the mothers womb. Look what occured with Sexual Freedom of the 1960's : A few immoralists such as Hugh Heffner, Elvis Presley, and bi-sexual Dr. Alfred Kinsey of the 1950's who saw uncontrolled sexuality as an enterprise ... gave a license for the populus to express themselves sexually without restraint and guided purely by their feelings . That turned into an out of control Sexual Explosion in the 1960's that hasnt let up since. Back then there were 2 STD's that were curable ; today as a result of people being guided by their genitals , we have 2 STD's which are fatal and have killed many in addition to another 31 STD's which are being carried by some estimated 68,000,000 adult americans due to the popular pastime of Sexual Hedonism. There is no stopping this now , for, the great majority of people just dont care and they just dont want to reconsider Gods plan for sexuality for their lives. The nation has become a playground for Sexual Hedonists who dont mind using others to get what they want , and who dont care who gets infected . So, instead of bashing those of us who ARE concerned and who still know right from wrong and arnt afraid of speaking up....why not ask yourself why you dont care enough to speak up (unless you are part of this growing irresponsible problem ?) IF you are caught up in the addiction of sexual hedonism, you are only fooling yourself . As it has destroyed many men, women, youth, and dissolved countless marriages and families....so it will destroy you too. It has no boundaries and teh only cure is to draw nearer to God and submit this area of your life to him so he can provide healing and power to escape its grip. www.newlife.com for some good resources and support groups. Regards. > 'Just who are you, to think you have the right to judge the sex > practices of others? More importantly, WHY would you WANT to do so?' > > REPLY: <snip> Before you start moralising with your perverse sexual fascination activated Dave; just remember that statutory rape of an underage girl, forcing abortion, and having feelings for children, are sexual offences. : Don't even go there pervert. Hi Sharron, How have you been ? Your friend, Adrian, was here a couple weeks back ; glad he , and you, are still around. Have you considered getting an RV and touring the British countryside ? Dave > Hi Sharron, How have you been ? Your friend, Adrian, was here a > couple weeks back ; glad he , and you, are still around. Have you > considered getting an RV and touring the British countryside ? > > Dave It's quite incredible isn't it? - He (DILV) totally ignores the issue if he has no C&P'd answer to give and/or is backed into a corner. I haven't seen Adrian for...Since I started college in August 2005. I've spoken to him since but not recently. Adrian are you still around? Come forth, or come fifth if you like. I used to tour the British countryside and catch up with friends in far-flung places in my Volvo - great gas-guzzling 2.85 litre estate, back in 2003/4. Not only was it costly to run but it also burned too much fuel and polluted the environment. I quit my old computer software business in 2003 and toured southern england and the midlands for pleasure. Now I'm running a mail-order business building and despatching purpose-built computers, (You've seen the website - I supplied you the url many times.) so I don't need a car much. The Volvo would have been 21 this year but has fallen apart and been scrapped, even though I've spent £1750 on it just to keep it on the road in the past. I fail to see the point of getting an RV and touring; which would cause problems anyway as I have work to do. (Some of us actually DO *really* have a small business and can't afford to spend all our time gallovanting off touring the country at Social Security's expense or spending all day sitting on the sofa trolling through a web tv box.) I get plenty of fresh air and see a lot of sights anyway. An RV would simply add to the colossal pollution problem and assist Global Warming, if indeed the climatologists are right. I have no macho thing to prove, being female, neither do I see the point of maintaining a car even at this point, as to be perfectly honest it's cheaper and easier to travel by taxi and/or public transprot for the limited amount of travelling I do lately. (No I don't have a bicycle; before you go off on another fantasy.) -So don't you agree that it's a bit rich for you to be moralising about sexual offences in the light of the foregoing points which I mentioned? 'I used to tour the British countryside and catch up with friends in far-flung places in my Volvo - great gas-guzzling 2.85 litre estate, back in 2003/4. Not only was it costly to run but it also burned too much fuel and polluted the environment. I quit my old computer software business in 2003 and toured southern england and the midlands for pleasure' REPLY: Some of the most beautiful beaches and cliffs in the world can be found in Cornwall ; did you pass thru Megagissey, Cornwall by any chance ? Is RV called Caravanning over in the UK ? Are there many clubs ? 'I fail to see the point of getting an RV and touring; which would cause problems anyway as I have work to do.' REPLY: Many self employed use their RV to conduct business out of and use it as a tax writeoff in addition for recreational purposes. If you have an RV that is big enough to live in, it can work out alot cheaper than renting a flat or a house. 'An RV would simply add to the colossal pollution problem and assist Global Warming, if indeed the climatologists are right.' REPLY: So would any household aerosol product , lighting up a cigarette, having a bonfire in your backyard, or using a hairdryer . 'So don't you agree that it's a bit rich for you to be moralising about sexual offences in the light of the foregoing points which I mentioned? (just remember that statutory rape of an underage girl, forcing abortion, and having feelings for children, are sexual offences. : Don't even go there pervert.' REPLY: 1. I was 19 and she was almost 18 when we had consentual sex ; I was a full-fledged 'atheist' back then , whereas now im not .. and besides , you believe in moral relativism so you shouldnt be denouncing it. 2. I never 'forced' or coersed anyone to have an abortion or anything else for that matter -- I suggested it . Besides, you believe in freedom of expression so you shouldnt be denouncing it. 3. I have concerned feelings for children having been a 'Big Brother' to a couple of boys , and I dont have a confused sexuality ; besides, you are a confessed homosexual and believe in sexual freedom so you shouldnt be denouncing it even if it were true. ''So don't you agree that it's a bit rich for you to be moralising about sexual offences' REPLY: No, i dont ; I now see the importance of speaking out and taking a proactive stand against sexual 'freedom' and offenses , instead of being apathetic toward the issues so they can continue to be perpetuated thereby bringing ruin to many lives and countrys. Ive told you all this numerous times in the past ; how come youre willingly forgetful ? :) > 'I used to tour the British countryside and catch up with friends in > far-flung places in my Volvo - great gas-guzzling 2.85 litre estate, [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > chance ? Is RV called Caravanning over in the UK ? Are there many > clubs ? You answer my initial question and I'll answer yours. Avoidance leads to avoidance. > 'I fail to see the point of getting an RV and touring; which would > cause problems anyway as I have work to do.' > > REPLY: Many self employed use their RV to conduct business out of and > use it as a tax writeoff in addition for recreational purposes. We're not all self-employed in trolling Usenet; most self-employed people don't have time for recreation. > If > you have an RV that is big enough to live in, it can work out alot > cheaper than renting a flat or a house. Utterly impracticable in my case. > 'An RV would simply add to the colossal pollution problem and assist > Global Warming, if indeed the climatologists are right.' > > REPLY: So would any household aerosol product , lighting up a > cigarette, having a bonfire in your backyard, or using a hairdryer As I told you over a year ago; aerosols sold in the UK don't use flourocarbons and use a butane-based propellant. > . > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > REPLY: 1. I was 19 and she was almost 18 when we had consentual sex ; > I was a full-fledged 'atheist' back then , So are you saying that Atheists consider statutory rape/underage sex as normal and treat the subject with complacency? > whereas now im not .. No; you're now a proven hypocrite with many more serious hangups. > and > besides , you believe in moral relativism so you shouldnt be > denouncing it. I don't condone statutory rape; neither do I condone hypocrisy. > 2. I never 'forced' or coersed anyone to have an > abortion or anything else for that matter -- I suggested it . > Besides, you believe in freedom of expression so you shouldnt be > denouncing it. So, according to your own words from previous posts in other groups, she therefore chose to undergo the heartache and the shame of abortion rather than have your child. (Or are your posts 100% b.s.?) : She couldn't have liked you that much. - Which leads me to ask how she came to have sex with you, bearing that in mind. Freedom of expression is one thing; coercion and subterfuge is another ballgame entirely. 3. I have concerned feelings for children having > been a 'Big Brother' to a couple of boys So why did you ask for help from someone other than your pastor with this issue within and as an addendum to the same paragraph as admitting to your battle with your "homosexual demons"? > and I dont have a > confused sexuality So you're saying that someone such as yourself who practices homosexuality one day and then goes around preaching against it the next isn't sexually confused? Give me a break! > besides, you are a confessed homosexual and > believe in sexual freedom so you shouldnt be denouncing it even if it > were true. Yes I am and yes I do; and it's not the freedom I'm denouncing. What I'm denouncing is your personal hypocrisy and your reticence to even be honest with yourself. > ''So don't you agree that it's a bit rich for you to be moralising > about sexual offences' > > REPLY: No, i dont ; I now see the importance of speaking out and > taking a proactive stand against sexual 'freedom' and offenses , > instead of being apathetic toward the issues FYI there's a distinct difference between sexual freedom and sexual offences. : Perhaps you should have learned that before committing sexual offences. > so they can continue to > be perpetuated thereby bringing ruin to many lives and countrys. > *Countries* Sexual *offences* *DO* ruin lives; both of the perpetrator and of the victim, as you well know, but sexual freedom under the constraints of personal responsibility brings liberation and enlightenment. : You have your facts muddled. > Ive told you all this numerous times in the past ; how come youre > willingly forgetful ? :) Who are you? BTW there are a lot of trees in people's gardens in your area of Illinois. 'So would any household aerosol product , lighting up a cigarette, having a bonfire in your backyard, or using a hairdryer ' As I told you over a year ago; aerosols sold in the UK don't use flourocarbons and use a butane-based propellant. REPLY: ANd, how about the other things on the list above ? Do you smoke, use a hairdryer, or enjoy a bonfire ??? 'So are you saying that Atheists consider statutory rape/underage sex as normal and treat the subject with complacency?' REPLY: Yes to both ; they do. When i was 'an atheist' i thought like an atheist . 'you're now a proven hypocrite with many more serious hangups.' REPLY: Coming from someone who admits they are sinless, I find that rather hypocritical Sharron ; if you are sinless then how come i cant be too according to your own philosophy ! (Id like to be with your permission )! 'So, according to your own words from previous posts in other groups, she therefore chose to undergo the heartache and the shame of abortion rather than have your child.' REPLY: But , how can you imply something is 'wrong' with consequences, if you truly believe in moral relativism ? You shouldnt even be raising this issue . Further, if you truly believe in 'no sin' , then, there wouldnt be anything to feel shame about ; but you DID introduce the word shame into the equation...so therefore, there must be a realization of sin on your behalf. Or, is it that everyone else sins but not you (?) . Can u straighten me out on this one ? Thanks. 'So why did you ask for help from someone other than your pastor with this issue within and as an addendum to the same paragraph as admitting to your battle with your "homosexual demons"?' REPLY: Thats your made up malice Sharron. Not true of me at all. I dont have any 'homosexual demons'...and if you truly believe that homosexuality is permissable and not a sin, then, you shouldnt even be raising this issue (for..that would severely hypocritical of you). 'you should have learned that before committing sexual offences.' REPLY: But, if morality is all relative, (as you claim) then, there really isnt any such thing as 'an offense' ; how can something be 'an offense' when the person thinks they are doing something which is permissable ? 'but sexual freedom under the constraints of personal responsibility brings liberation and enlightenment. ' REPLY: Well then, you shouldnt be bashing anyone for having had teenage sex then...for, i was just experiencing your idea of 'liberation and enlightenment' ! 'Who are you? ' REPLY: Its me, Sharron.....David ! Did you just get stricken with amnesia since i last posted ?! 'BTW there are a lot of trees in people's gardens in your area of Illinois.' REPLY: Indeed, and i have quite a few on my half acre lot. I just fertilized them last night . Bloody things....they are turning brown on the branches . > 'So would any household aerosol product , lighting up a > cigarette, having a bonfire in your backyard, or using a hairdryer ' [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > REPLY: ANd, how about the other things on the list above ? Do you > smoke, use a hairdryer, or enjoy a bonfire ??? All 3; although I smoke in moderation. I use a hairdryer regularly, and although I enjoy a bonfire I don't have one here ever. Why do you think a hairdryer contributes to Global Warming particularly above any other electrical product? Your web tv box probably uses more wattage than a hairdryer; as does my computer. > 'So are you saying that Atheists consider statutory rape/underage sex > as normal and treat the subject with complacency?' > > REPLY: Yes to both ; they do. When i was 'an atheist' i thought > like an atheist . From that remark it's apparent that you thought like a pervert, and apparently you haven't changed the habit of a lifetime either. > 'you're now a proven hypocrite with many more serious hangups.' > > REPLY: Coming from someone who admits they are sinless, I find that > rather hypocritical Sharron ; if you are sinless then how come i cant > be too according to your own philosophy ! (Id like to be with your > permission )! You deliberately and willfully troll Usenet and consciously annoy people on purpose despite their protestations. : That is willful harm to others which *IS* sin; therefore you cannot be sinless. > 'So, according to your own words from previous posts in other groups, > she therefore chose to undergo the heartache and the shame of abortion > rather than have your child.' > > REPLY: But , how can you imply something is 'wrong' with > consequences, if you truly believe in moral relativism ? A "wrongful" act is one deliberately designed to harm another, or one that causes harm to another through personal irresponsibility and carelessness. : Your having sex with that girl wasn't in itself wrong; but the statutory rape aspect was intolerable, as was the resultant hypocrisy on your part. > You > shouldnt even be raising this issue. You have problems with telling everyone else what to do when you can't even control yourself or act in a responsible manner. > Further, if you truly believe > in 'no sin' , then, there wouldnt be anything to feel shame about ; I never stated that there is no "sin" or "wrong". : I stated that I am sinless. > but you DID introduce the word shame into the equation. I was quoting your words. : Learn to read. >..so > therefore, there must be a realization of sin on your behalf. Or, > is it that everyone else sins but not you (?) . Can u straighten me > out on this one ? Thanks. Those who deliberately harm others and/or lack personal responsibility as applied to everything that they do are what you would classify "sinners". You rightly classify yourself a sinner, as you exhibit a noticable lack of personal responsibility. > 'So why did you ask for help from someone other than your pastor with > this issue within and as an addendum to the same paragraph as > admitting to your battle with your "homosexual demons"?' > > REPLY: Thats your made up malice Sharron. That's what you posted behind the web tv firewall; which was picked up by Google, and which you had removed from Google smart-ish as soon as you realised it had come to light. > Not true of me at all. I > dont have any 'homosexual demons'... Then why did you post that you did? > and if you truly believe that > homosexuality is permissable and not a sin, then, you shouldnt even > be raising this issue (for..that would severely hypocritical of you). But you say homosexuality *IS* a sin and is not permissable; yet you post secretly that you have "homosexual demons". Why have you ignored the piece on confused sexuality by the way? - Too close to home perhaps? > 'you should have learned that before committing sexual offences.' > > REPLY: But, if morality is all relative, (as you claim) then, there > really isnt any such thing as 'an offense' Utter crap! That's a lame excuse for personal irresponsibility on your part. : [Personal] Morality IS relative; but harming others is wrong. > how can something be > 'an offense' when the person thinks they are doing something which is > permissable ? If they're doing it with another consenting adult or alone and it doesn't affect anyone else then it's up to their own logic whether or not they wish to continue doing so. If it affects anyone else in a detrimental fashion or against their will then it becomes "wrong". > 'but sexual freedom under the constraints of personal responsibility > brings liberation and enlightenment. ' > > REPLY: Well then, you shouldnt be bashing anyone for having had > teenage sex then.. I'm not; I'm having a go at you for your hypocrisy and your deciet, plus the harm you inflicted on that poor girl with your so called "morality"; which was just utter selfishness in disguise. > .for, i was just experiencing your idea of > 'liberation and enlightenment' ! Teenage sex is normal and can be bounteous; except for the lack of teenage responsibility in a lot of cases. Do you still subscribe to teen porn? > 'Who are you? ' > > REPLY: Its me, Sharron.....David ! Did you just get stricken with > amnesia since i last posted ?! I was being facecious. > 'BTW there are a lot of trees in people's gardens in your area of > Illinois.' > > REPLY: Indeed, and i have quite a few on my half acre lot. I just > fertilized them last night . Bloody things....they are turning brown > on the branches . I hate to have to break this to you; but tree branches are generally usually brown or grey-ish. - Are they different on your planet? 'All 3; although I smoke in moderation. I use a hairdryer regularly, and although I enjoy a bonfire I don't have one here ever. Why do you think a hairdryer contributes to Global Warming particularly above any other electrical product? ' REPLY: Then you are a contributor to global warming ; you may as well own an RV which is healthier than smoking, more fun than blowdrying your hair, and you can enjoy a bonfire every single night. 'Yes to both ; they do. When i was 'an atheist' i thought like an atheist . ' From that remark it's apparent that you thought like a pervert REPLY: Well...actually , it was a willful suppression of my God given moral conscience which at the time i forced myself to believe came from rocks, dirt, and hydrogen gas :) 'You deliberately and willfully troll Usenet and consciously annoy people on purpose despite their protestations. : That is willful harm to others which *IS* sin; therefore you cannot be sinless.' REPLY: But Sharron, you being sinless have called me some of the most vile and filthy things over the years (as well as others)..so, if youre sinless and can do that then whats wrong with me allegedly 'annoying' someone else being a sinner ? 'But , how can you imply something is 'wrong' with consequences, if you truly believe in moral relativism ? ' A "wrongful" act is one deliberately designed to harm another, or one that causes harm to another through personal irresponsibility and carelessness. REPLY: But since truth is relative to you, you should be more tolerant of my moral relativism that allows me the freedom to do this thing that you allege , for, perhaps this is my particular 'truth' . If you are ok with your brand of truth, then, you should be ok with my brand ; for , isnt that what being tolerant is all about ? . 'Your having sex with that girl wasn't in itself wrong; but the statutory rape aspect was intolerable'' REPLY: But, based on your philosophy, whenever there is consentuality between two people, it should be seen as tolerable. 'as was the resultant hypocrisy on your part.' REPLY: But i wasnt being 'hypocritical' then, because i was an atheist doing what an atheist does. ANd, im not 'hypocritical' now because I freely admit that I did things which were wrong back then and have turned from them . We are ALL responsible for taking a proactive stand for whats right versus whats wrong ; heck..if we didnt do that , then we'd end up with a culture that embraces moral relativism and relative 'truth' -- then we'd be in a real pickle wouldnt we ? 'You have problems with telling everyone else what to do when you can't even control yourself or act in a responsible manner.' REPLY: No..I dont have any problems being proactive against moral relativism. You should know that by now. 'I never stated that there is no "sin" or "wrong". : I stated that I am sinless.' REPLY: Then how is it , that, you are 'sinless' while everyone else does wrong and struggles with sin ? Is your middle name : Jesus ?! 'Those who deliberately harm others and/or lack personal responsibility as applied to everything that they do are what you would classify "sinners". You rightly classify yourself a sinner, as you exhibit a noticable lack of personal responsibility.' REPLY: But isnt this The Pot calling the Kettle black , since you deliberately call others vile and filthy names yet you are sinless ??? Where is the personal responsibility there on your behalf ? ''So why did you ask for help from someone other than your pastor with this issue within and as an addendum to the same paragraph as admitting to your battle with your "homosexual demons"?' REPLY: Thats your made up malice Sharron. ' That's what you posted behind the web tv firewall; which was picked up by Google, and which you had removed from Google smart-ish as soon as you realised it had come to light. REPLY: Wasnt me that posted whatever your talking about Sharron ; I dont even know how to have 'something removed from google' !!! Didnt know it was possible even. 'Not true of me at all. I dont have any 'homosexual demons'...' Then why did you post that you did? REPLY: I didnt. Maybe some else did. I actually speak out against the sexual perversion as you know., although, I dont hate the homosexual. 'But, if morality is all relative, (as you claim) then, there really isnt any such thing as 'an offense'' Utter crap! That's a lame excuse for personal irresponsibility on your part. REPLY: How come you can enjoy moral relativism , yet i cant ??! 'how can something be 'an offense' when the person thinks they are doing something which is permissable ? ' If they're doing it with another consenting adult or alone and it doesn't affect anyone else then it's up to their own logic whether or not they wish to continue doing so. If it affects anyone else in a detrimental fashion or against their will then it becomes "wrong". REPLY: So then, if two adulterers cheat on their respective spouses and no one finds out about it (and thus doesnt get hurt)... then its morally permissable ? Can you think of anything in society today which has detrimental effects to the populus from people thinking it isnt affecting anyone else ??? Please list 2 or 3. 'I'm having a go at you for your hypocrisy and your deciet, plus the harm you inflicted on that poor girl with your so called "morality"; which was just utter selfishness in disguise.' REPLY: 1. There is no hypocrisy because i was an atheist back then living according to the dictates of my will... and today im not. 2. There is no 'deciet' because i admit to having been 19 when she was almost 18. 3. She wasnt a 'poor girl' -- she came from a rich family. 4. My morality back then was based on your moral relativism now , so, if i was selfish then .. then you are selfish now. But that cant be so, cause youre 'sinless' (remember ???) . Therefore, you assertion of my being 'selfish' is null and void. 'Teenage sex is normal and can be bounteous; except for the lack of teenage responsibility in a lot of cases. Do you still subscribe to teen porn?' REPLY: Teenage sex is 'normal' for THIS culture ; but, what do you base this 'normal' term on exactly ?? The fact that its done all the time ?! Lastly, I never have subscribed to Porn of any kind ; in fact as you know, I vehemently speak out against it because of folks who 'use their logic so they can continue in it. ' 'I was being facecious. ' REPLY: But....as you know....that is A SIN ! (and you are not a sinner ; therefore, you werent being facecious even though you were :) 'I hate to have to break this to you; but tree branches are generally usually brown or grey-ish. - Are they different on your planet?' REPLY: No, theyre the same in my yard. > 'All 3; although I smoke in moderation. I use a hairdryer regularly, > and although I enjoy a bonfire I don't have one here ever. Why do you [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > REPLY: Then you are a contributor to global warming ; you may as > well own an RV which is healthier than smoking It produces a lot more carbon monoxide! >, more fun than > blowdrying your hair, You reckon? and you can enjoy a bonfire every single night. And annoy the neighbours. > 'Yes to both ; they do. When i was 'an atheist' i thought > like an atheist . ' [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > moral conscience which at the time i forced myself to believe came > from rocks, dirt, and hydrogen gas :) I've heard that crap before somewhere... > 'You deliberately and willfully troll Usenet and consciously annoy > people on purpose despite their protestations. : That is willful harm > to others which *IS* sin; therefore you cannot be sinless.' > > REPLY: But Sharron, you being sinless have called me some of the most > vile and filthy things over the years (as well as others) I'm sorry you didn't like it; but facts are facts, and there's nothing you can do about it than to make them not facts by changing yourself. >..so, if > youre sinless and can do that then whats wrong with me allegedly > 'annoying' someone else being a sinner ? You have no reason to do so; your annoyance of people isn't based upon fact or any form of logic. : it's just a sadistic streak of a sick mind at work. > 'But , how can you imply something is 'wrong' with > consequences, if you truly believe in moral relativism ? ' [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > be ok with my brand ; for , isnt that what being tolerant is all > about ? . You're going too far in saying that; in fact you're deliberately taking the piss and as sch you deserve no answer. (You haven't annoyed me or done anything detrimental to me by doing so; but as regards yourself I'm unsure.) > 'Your having sex with that girl wasn't in itself wrong; but the > statutory rape aspect was intolerable'' > > REPLY: But, based on your philosophy, whenever there is > consentuality between two people, it should be seen as tolerable. If that were the case yes; but I'm unsure of the relevant laws of America and of the state that you were in at the time; therefore I must reserve judgement and not comment further as yet. > 'as was the resultant hypocrisy on your part.' > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > relativism and relative 'truth' -- then we'd be in a real pickle > wouldnt we ? f.ck off Dave you sanctimonious sod. > 'You have problems with telling everyone else what to do when you > can't even control yourself or act in a responsible manner.' > > REPLY: No..I dont have any problems being proactive against moral > relativism. You should know that by now. Ditto my last comment. : I've lost my patience with you and I'm not going to waste my time talking sh.t. > 'I never stated that there is no "sin" or "wrong". : I stated that I > am sinless.' > > REPLY: Then how is it , that, you are 'sinless' while everyone else > does wrong and struggles with sin ? You speak for yourself; Adrian doesn't, I don't, and many others don't either.: *************************** A beautiful sunrise lit up Hell with bright morning colours as the meadows flickered into life in the breeze with their multicoloured flowers dancing around. The warming breeze caressed the leaves wetted by the morning dew as the woodland creatures stirred into life. A tree-nymph danced above her dewpond as a long caterpiller ambled past in its escape from the oncoming hooves of a fawn. An almighty peal of thunder followed a blinding flash of light as the meadow began to fall away to reveal a deep burning pit filled with sulpherous discharges and tongues of fire. A black chasm formed in the sky and two bat-winged demons flew from it. "Come on you slow bastards; get a move on!" Shouted one of the demons into the chasm. Out tumbled several naked men and women into the fire in the pit, which closed up and regrassed itself as before. A gnome awoke from sleep with a beautiful fairy upon a toadstool. "Keep the noise down up there please; it's very early!" He shouted at the demons. "'Sorry about that." Replied the same demon, as he was about to slip into the closing chasm. "'Just admitting the latest intake of Christians; they wouldn't have it any other way." ********************************* > Is your middle name : Jesus ?! Melanie. > 'Those who deliberately harm others and/or lack personal > responsibility as applied to everything that they do are what you [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > REPLY: But isnt this The Pot calling the Kettle black , since you > deliberately call others vile and filthy names yet you are sinless ??? Are you referring to yourself? Actually I simply tell the truth about you, as does everybody else other than Shad O'shithead, who is almostr as delusionally schitzophrenic as yourself. > Where is the personal responsibility there on your behalf ? > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > dont even know how to have 'something removed from google' !!! Didnt > know it was possible even. Complete ignorance is always your best excuse; as it's the only one that sounds credible in your case. > 'Not true of me at all. I > dont have any 'homosexual demons'...' > > Then why did you post that you did? > > REPLY: I didnt. That is an utter lie: You did and you know that you did. - You were caught out and you were at first exxtremely embarrassed. After that passed you have done your utmost to eradicate and deny all knowledge of it since. > Maybe some else did. I actually [hypocritically] speak out against > the sexual perversion as you know. That's rich coming from a pervert with a sexual fascination. , although, I dont hate the > homosexual. ...Unless you're talking to your pastor rather than a lesbian eh? > 'But, if morality is all relative, (as you claim) then, there > really isnt any such thing as 'an offense'' [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > REPLY: How come you can enjoy moral relativism , yet i cant ??! With moral relativism comes personal responsibility. With "absolute morality" comes absolute irresponsibility for which you're supposedly "forgiven". Go figure. : You can't have your cake and eat it too; there is no free lunch; other than in a mousetrap. > 'how can something be > 'an offense' when the person thinks they are doing something which is [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > and no one finds out about it (and thus doesnt get hurt)... then its > morally permissable ? If you say so. > Can you think of anything in society today > which has detrimental effects to the populus from people thinking it > isnt affecting anyone else ??? Please list 2 or 3. Ok : 2 (0+2)(1+1)(2+0)...I seem to remember this sort of thing from Primary School. > 'I'm having a go at you for your hypocrisy and your deciet, plus the > harm you inflicted on that poor girl with your so called "morality"; > which was just utter selfishness in disguise.' > > REPLY: 1. There is no hypocrisy because i was an atheist back then > living according to the dictates of my will... Then you weren't an Atheist; you were a fuckwit. > and today im not. Don't bet on it! 2. > There is no 'deciet' because i admit to having been 19 when she was > almost 18. 3. She wasnt a 'poor girl' -- she came from a rich family. Flippancy makes you look even more stupid. > 4. My morality back then was based on your moral relativism now You were a time-traveller?! >, so, > if i was selfish then .. then you are selfish now. But that cant be > so, cause youre 'sinless' (remember ???) . Therefore, you assertion > of my being 'selfish' is null and void. If wet was sh.t you'd suffer from severe constipation. > 'Teenage sex is normal and can be bounteous; except for the lack of > teenage responsibility in a lot of cases. Do you still subscribe to > teen porn?' > > REPLY: Teenage sex is 'normal' for THIS culture ; OK let's put that another way in line with your thinking shall we. : "Teenage sex is normal for everyone but you, who did it." Happy now? > but, what do you > base this 'normal' term on exactly ?? The fact that its done all the > time ?! The fact that you're ABnormal and you're against it; even though you did it. Lastly, I never have subscribed to Porn of any kind ; in fact > as you know, I vehemently speak out against it because of folks who > 'use their logic so they can continue in it. ' Ken, or Adrian; help me out here. : You two know aabout this; it was just a bit before I knew Dave. > 'I was being facecious. ' > > REPLY: But....as you know....that is A SIN ! Why is it? It was done humourously. It's not my fault that you have no sense of humour. (No sense at all either.) <snip> > 'I hate to have to break this to you; but tree branches are generally > usually brown or grey-ish. - Are they different on your planet?' > > REPLY: No, theyre the same in my yard. I'm reliably informed there's one born every minute. - In which case it could well take a miracle to save humanity. I've just found a post from August I made stating that I'd not repost DILVs crap here any more. - Oops! Having said that; people who aren't interested can always plonk me anyway, that way they don't have to see my posts. - Unless they have web tv; in which case TOUGH! ;) On Oct 3, 11:05 am, "Dr.H@l0nf1r?$" <sha...@NOSPAM.kustomkomputa.co.uk.invalid> wrote: > I've just found a post from August I made stating that I'd not repost DILVs > crap here any more. - Oops! [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > which case TOUGH! > ;) I know what you mean. It's not that easy ignoring stupid fuckwitted religious a-holes like ShadShitHead and DILV, but I've promised myself to try Hal 'I've just found a post from August I made stating that I'd not repost DILVs crap here any more. - Oops! Having said that; people who aren't interested can always plonk me anyway, that way they don't have to see my posts.' REPLY: But Sharron....since you are a self proclaimed 'sinless' person, you really dont need to be apologetic in the least . Afterall, only people who sin have something to feel apologetic about. Dang Sharron... you keep forgetting your SINLESS !! > 'I've just found a post from August I made stating that I'd not repost > DILVs crap here any more. - Oops! [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Afterall, only people who sin have something to feel apologetic > about. There speaks the voice of experience. > Dang Sharron... you keep forgetting your SINLESS !! I never forget; I just maintain the state of sinlessness. Apologies can be simply out of politeness and consideration for others; neither of which are exactly your forte'. - Hence you're a sinner and I'm not. 'I never forget; I just maintain the state of sinlessness.' REPLY: Well then, do you ever lie ?! 'Apologies can be simply out of politeness and consideration for others; ' REPLY: Jesus who was truly sinless never apologized 'out of politeness and consideration for others'...so why do you feel you need to , also being sinless like he was ??? > 'I never forget; I just maintain the state of sinlessness.' > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > REPLY: Jesus who was truly sinless Prove it. > never apologized 'out of > politeness and consideration for others'...so why do you feel you > need to , also being sinless like he was ??? Perhaps he was impolite. - of course you never heard him apologise for anything; but you were over 2000 years too late anyway. Is there any hope? Bob Hope and no hope! >> 'I never forget; I just maintain the state of sinlessness.' >> [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > Is there any hope? > Bob Hope and no hope! Oh I almost forgot; you're a time traveller who's "morality back then was based on your moral relativism now." Doctor Dave "Exterminate the Doctor; he is a fuckwit and a danger to all lifeforms including Daleks. - Exterminate!..." If youd get an RV ,Sharron, youd feel alot better --- that was my original point in the beginning of this thread. Thanks for the exchange. Glad to hear youre still unequivically 'sinless' :) END . > If youd get an RV ,Sharron, youd feel alot better --- that was my > original point in the beginning of this thread. Thanks for the > exchange. Glad to hear youre still unequivically 'sinless' :) > > END . It's so nice to know that you have commanded in your "superiority" that this thread is now at an "END". I'm sure everyone will bow to your command; you sad control-freak dumbwit. On Oct 4, 11:02 am, "Dr.H@l0nf1r?$" <sha...@NOSPAM.kustomkomputa.co.uk.invalid> wrote: > > If youd get an RV ,Sharron, youd feel alot better --- that was my > > original point in the beginning of this thread. Thanks for the [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > thread is now at an "END". I'm sure everyone will bow to your command; you > sad control-freak dumbwit. Dave likes it in the "END" Here's proof of his "no so latent" homosexual tendencies, in his own words From: DaveInLakeVi...@webtv.net (Dave in Lake Villa) Newsgroups: alt.autos.hyundai Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2006 22:39:13 -0500 Organization: WebTV Subscriber . Matt: Do you have first-hand experience with alcohol? illegal drugs? prostitutes? homosexuality? or any other things that you consider to be sinful?' REPLY: Yes on most of those, prior to acceptance of making Christ the Lord of my everyday life. <<<Now Dave has already admitted Drug and alcohol abuse, and I believe he already stated somewhere that he never used prostitutes, therefore if he is admitting experience of most of those items, this MUST include homosexuality>>> REPLY: And what if it once did involve homosexuality many years ago when i was a godless heathen Randy ? Then what ? It wouldnt make me a 'hypocritical Bigot' now since i dont do it. <<<Davie's a sissy boy>>> 'Dave likes it in the "END" Here's proof of his "no so latent" homosexual tendencies, in his own words From: DaveInLakeVi...@webtv.net (Dave in Lake Villa) Newsgroups: alt.autos.hyundai Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2006 22:39:13 -0500 Organization: WebTV Subscriber Matt: Do you have first-hand experience with alcohol? illegal drugs? prostitutes? homosexuality? or any other things that you consider to be sinful?' REPLY: Yes on most of those, prior to acceptance of making Christ the Lord of my everyday life. <<<Now Dave has already admitted Drug and alcohol abuse, and I believe he already stated somewhere that he never used prostitutes, therefore if he is admitting experience of most of those items, this MUST include homosexuality>>> REPLY: And what if it once did involve homosexuality many years ago when i was a godless heathen Randy ? Then what ? It wouldnt make me a 'hypocritical Bigot' now since i dont do it. <<<Davie's a sissy boy>>> ' REPLY TO ABOVE : More madeup malice from my daily Stalker Fan Club. END END On Oct 4, 3:20 pm, DaveInLakeVi...@webtv.net (Dave in Lake Villa) wrote: > 'Dave likes it in the "END" ' > REPLY TO ABOVE : More madeup malice from my daily Stalker Fan Club. > > END END LIAR LIAR PANTS ON FIRE So you don't remember saying that eh?...Let me refresh your fading memory thru Google's perfect memory Alt.guns Nov 14, 2006 post #6 in the thread and I quote: 6. Dave in Lake Villa View profile (1 user) More options Nov 14 2006, 4:26 pm Newsgroups: alt.guns From: DaveInLakeVi...@webtv.net (Dave in Lake Villa) Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 17:26:17 -0600 Local: Tues, Nov 14 2006 4:26 pm Subject: Re: Shop Wal*Mart for a Gay America! Reply to author | Forward | Print | Individual message | Show original | Report this message | Find messages by this author 'And not JUST a regular run-of-the-mill bigot but a hypocrite bigot! From: DaveInLakeVi...@webtv.net (Dave in Lake Villa) Newsgroups: alt.autos.hyundai Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2006 22:39:13 -0500 Organization: WebTV Subscriber Matt: 'Dave, you've said you are a Christian. So am I' REPLY: Glad to hear that Matt. So, if you were to die very unexpectedly tonight and stand before God immediatly, how would you answer the question of him asking you :" Matt, why should i let you into Heaven for eternity ?" . Matt: Do you have first-hand experience with alcohol? illegal drugs? prostitutes? homosexuality? or any other things that you consider to be sinful?' REPLY: Yes on most of those, prior to acceptance of making Christ the Lord of my everyday life. <<<Now Dave has already admitted Drug and alcohol abuse, and I believe he already stated somewhere that he never used prostitutes, therefore if he is admitting experience of most of those items, this MUST include homosexuality>>> Randy REPLY: And what if it once did involve homosexuality many years ago when i was a godless heathen Randy ? Then what ? It wouldnt make me a 'hypocritical Bigot' now since i dont do it. By the way...youre not a Bigot when it comes to homosexuality are you ? How about having free sex with a prostitute ? Drug and alchohol abuse ? Id still like to know if your parents are full fledged Godless Heathens Randy . Plus, do you follow Marilyn Manson ? Respond with a yes or no answer. > On Oct 4, 3:20 pm, DaveInLakeVi...@webtv.net (Dave in Lake Villa) > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > Local: Tues, Nov 14 2006 4:26 pm > Subject: Re: Shop Wal*Mart for a Gay America! > REPLY: And what if it once did involve homosexuality many years ago > when i was a godless heathen Randy ? Then what ? It wouldnt make me > a > 'hypocritical Bigot' now since i dont do it. On Oct 4, 11:02 am, "Dr.H@l0nf1r?$" <sha...@NOSPAM.kustomkomputa.co.uk.invalid> wrote: > > If youd get an RV ,Sharron, youd feel alot better --- that was my > > original point in the beginning of this thread. Thanks for the [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > thread is now at an "END". I'm sure everyone will bow to your command; you > sad control-freak dumbwit. Found Dave's original post where he admitted his past "gayness" and realized that the fella he was talking to then was "Godless Heathen" I had forgotten about Randy. If I remember he, was in the military and was re-deployed to Iraq sometime around Xmas. I hope he's doing OK there. As a former military member, I feel for him. If I was still the correct age, our company of MP's would have been the next group in after the Infantry and the Marines finished off their business..Ken <Dave's a sissy boy> > On Oct 4, 11:02 am, "Dr.H@l0nf1r£$" > <sha...@NOSPAM.kustomkomputa.co.uk.invalid> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > <Dave's a sissy boy> That's where Saddam Houssein used to keep his toast. : -In Iraq. It doesn't appear so funny when written. 'Just built and tested a computer running an AMD 64 x 2 4000+ Brisbane-cored CPU.: Hot is an understatement; it's sizzling! (Performancewise rather than temperaturewise.) - Hence the reason I'm still awake at 3:35-ish in the morning. On Oct 4, 7:34 pm, "Dr.H@l0nf1r£$" <sha...@NOSPAM.kustomkomputa.co.uk.invalid> wrote: > That's where Saddam Houssein used to keep his toast. : > -In Iraq. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > temperaturewise.) - Hence the reason I'm still awake at 3:35-ish in the > morning. Kinda like when describing dimwitted dave's intelligence level....Dumb as Iraq On Oct 4, 7:34 pm, "Dr.H@l0nf1r£$" <sha...@NOSPAM.kustomkomputa.co.uk.invalid> wrote: > > On Oct 4, 11:02 am, "Dr.H@l0nf1r£$" > > <sha...@NOSPAM.kustomkomputa.co.uk.invalid> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > > - Show quoted text - > 'Just built and tested a computer running an AMD 64 x 2 4000+ > Brisbane-cored CPU.: Hot is an understatement; it's sizzling! > (Performancewise rather than temperaturewise.) - Hence the reason I'm > still awake at 3:35-ish in the morning. Runs your vibrator real good, huh? How'd you manage to find one with a USB port? Shad O'Shay >> 'Just built and tested a computer running an AMD 64 x 2 4000+ >> Brisbane-cored CPU.: Hot is an understatement; it's sizzling! [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Sad O'Shithead I haven't tried the USB vibrator yet. : I'm still in the process of benchmarking and analysing the system. I was hoping that updating system drivers to versions written this year where possible would assist the BIOS to recognise the new architecture of the CPU; but no luck yet: the BIOS is only a year old, and it runs the CPU fine; it just presents a nag screen after POST, which is annoying and makes this particular design of the range unsaleable without a BIOS upgrade which adds to the cost slightly. I also have a USB vacuum cleaner for my desk and to clean out old machines that I renovate/repair. http://www.kustomkomputa.co.uk/image221.jpg :) > Sex offenses??? Sex offenses!!! > > Why are so many of you so focussed on "sex offenses?" Just what is a > "sex offense?" > Ken Harrison ===================== WHEN YOUR PARENTS, THE APE AND THE YAK COPULATED TO PRODUCE YOU, THAT WAS A SEX OFFENSE. NOW YOU KNOW. YOU'RE WELCOME. -JMAC |
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